IRC log for #koha, 2018-05-17

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05:30 fridolin hie poeple
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06:24 alex_a bonjour
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06:31 reiveune hello
06:31 wahanui niihau, reiveune
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07:18 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:18 huginn cait: Konstanz, Germany ::  :: NoneF/NoneC | Thursday: Periods of rain. High 63F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 100%. Rainfall near a half an inch. Thursday Night: Rain early. Decreasing clouds overnight. Low 48F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 90%.
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07:38 gaetan_B hello
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07:53 andreashm morning #koha
08:00 andreashm is there an easy way do disable the cache? (koha or apache?) testing some css stuff on a test-server an it's updating slowly
08:03 eythian won't that be the browser cache?
08:04 andreashm eythian: no, tried on different browsers. but my coworker is testing using opacusercss instead, works well. so not an issue anymore.
08:12 tuxayo hi #koha o/
08:22 andreashm hey tuxayo
08:22 tuxayo hi andreashm :)
08:24 ashimema mornin'
08:33 gaetan_B andreashm: could be plack getting in the way also, i restart plack manually very often when testing these things
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08:44 tuxayo _oftc_ashimema[m]: morning :)
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09:53 andreashm gaetan_B: thanks! that's a good tip. (I missed that you wrote earlier)
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11:30 oleonard Hi all
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11:46 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, UK
11:46 huginn ashimema: Error: I could not find a valid location for: Stevenage, UK
11:46 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, GB
11:46 huginn ashimema: Error: I could not find a valid location for: Stevenage, GB
11:47 oleonard @wunder 45701
11:47 huginn oleonard: Athens, OH :: Mostly Cloudy :: 65F/18C | Thursday: Mostly cloudy early, then thunderstorms developing this afternoon. High 79F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80%. Thursday Night: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. Low 63F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
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12:01 marcelr hi #koha
12:01 tuxayo hi marcelr
12:01 marcelr hi tuxayo
12:08 kidclamp hi marcelr tuxayo
12:08 kidclamp tuxayo you messaged me yesterday?
12:09 tuxayo hi kidclamp
12:09 marcelr hi kidclamp
12:10 tuxayo kidclamp: yes it was about this wiki page:
12:10 tuxayo Which seems to be you but outdated ^^
12:10 kidclamp I am not even WNickC anymore :-)
12:11 oleonard Good ol' WikiNick
12:11 marcelr WNickC++
12:12 tuxayo WNickC++
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12:13 oleonard Anyone remember what year we moved #koha to oftc?
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12:15 tuxayo oleonard: maybe https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]f=4010&oldid=4009
12:15 tuxayo Not sure how if it was updated without too much lag
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12:16 * oleonard was thinking of nicknames long past https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]f=prev&oldid=3607
12:18 kidclamp moved and updated tuxayo
12:19 marcelr do nicknames expire?
12:20 tuxayo Yep it's 2011 oleonard
12:20 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g,_5_January_2011
12:20 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.or[…],_2_February_2011
12:20 tuxayo Transcript of the 2n meeting confirms this.
12:20 oleonard marcelr: Many of our old nicknames were taken on the oftc network when we moved from katipo
12:20 marcelr oops we crossed the 7 years mark
12:21 gveranis hi all I would like to ask something for cataloguing
12:21 gveranis it is possible to set a default value for indicators ?
12:22 gveranis on some fields ? or on save it set the default form MARC ?
12:22 tuxayo kidclamp++
12:22 tuxayo For "sonic screwdriver"
12:23 marcelr gveranis: the new version will contain such features
12:23 marcelr 18.05
12:23 marcelr talking about indicators here
12:23 gveranis thanks
12:24 marcelr the other fields can have already
12:24 marcelr defaults
12:24 wahanui defaults are 80 with packages.
12:24 marcelr wahanui: good to see you
12:24 wahanui marcelr: what?
12:24 marcelr yeah
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13:06 caroline Hello everyone!
13:07 marcelr hello caroline
13:08 tcohen bonjour
13:09 caroline Could someone check if the "Holds to pull" list is working? I reserved an available item and it's not appearing in the list...
13:09 marcelr hi tcohen
13:09 marcelr did you finish the rest api?
13:09 tcohen almost there jajaja
13:09 marcelr great
13:09 marcelr :)
13:19 oleonard caroline: It's working for me
13:20 caroline oleonard: ok, thanks, it must be something I'm doing wrong
13:20 oleonard caroline: Is your hold from the last couple of days? The report has a very narrow default date range
13:21 caroline oleonard: yes, I made it yesterday. I even changed the dates to show the reservations from the last year and there's nothing
13:21 oleonard :/
13:22 caroline I know... :( I'm trying to document the new feature of being able to mark an item as lost from that list, but it doesn't show any item...
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13:22 * LeeJ waves
13:22 LeeJ hi #koha
13:22 caroline hi LeeJ
13:23 marcelr LeeJ!
13:23 LeeJ hi caroline marcelr
13:23 caroline oleonard: my master is up-to-date, so i'm really stumped
13:23 LeeJ caroline: just merged your request
13:23 marcelr caroline: did you check if you have a hold on opac-user?
13:23 caroline LeeJ: thanks!
13:24 caroline marcelr: how do I check that? What is opac-user?
13:24 marcelr go to opac and click your username in the bar
13:24 caroline ah ok!
13:24 caroline going to check right now
13:25 caroline but the hold appears in the record on the staff side
13:25 marcelr ok thats another check
13:25 marcelr so you know it is there
13:25 LeeJ marcelr: I greatly appreciate the details/descriptions you add to the authorities enhancements/features...makes our lives easier during documentation :)
13:25 marcelr cool
13:26 oleonard caroline: Does the record on hold have no items which aren't lost/damaged/notforloan/withdrawn?
13:26 caroline the hold is also in the holds queue
13:26 wahanui okay, caroline.
13:27 caroline oleonard: there is only one item and it's available
13:27 oleonard wahanui: the hold?
13:27 wahanui hmmm... the hold is in the holds queue
13:28 caroline lol! said like that, it sounds very philosophical
13:28 oleonard wahanui: my hovercraft?
13:28 wahanui i don't know, oleonard
13:28 oleonard tsk
13:29 bag morning all
13:29 caroline marcelr: I confirm that the hold shows on in the user's opac account
13:29 caroline hi bag!
13:29 oleonard You out of your time zone bag or just up early?
13:30 bag hehe - up at a normal time for me ;)
13:31 bag Just commenting in #koha earlier than normal
13:31 oleonard #koha is like a fresh cup of coffee
13:31 LeeJ Joubu: around?
13:31 bag and waiting for the eletric kettle to heat the water ;)
13:36 LeeJ hiya bag
13:40 tcohen morning bag, isn't it too early? :-D
13:45 oleonard Stop tcohen you'll make bag sleepy
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13:45 tcohen hehe
13:46 Guest2933 nick Paul
13:46 LeeJ caroline: did anyone confirm holds to pull was broken
13:46 LeeJ ?
13:46 oleonard LeeJ: It works for me
13:46 caroline LeeJ: everybody says it's working for them
13:46 LeeJ hmm
13:47 caroline but it isnt for me
13:47 marcelr caroline: maybe you have a hold that has no expirationdate
13:47 marcelr there was a bug about that
13:47 marcelr pushed just this week
13:47 caroline marcelr: I will check
13:47 LeeJ marcelr++
13:47 marcelr you should check if all holds have a expirationdate
13:47 marcelr let me check the bug number
13:47 Guest2933 Hello, anybody are trying to create a rpm type installation package?
13:48 marcelr caroline: bug 20724
13:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
13:48 marcelr and bug 20773
13:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20773 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , bug 20724 follow-up - Database cleanup
13:49 caroline marcelr: there is no expiration in the staff client. I will check in the database directly
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13:49 caroline hmm.. I chased him away... :/
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13:50 marcelr @later tell Joubu: exception for 18856 ?
13:50 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded.
13:51 caroline marcelr: I confirm there is not expiration date in the database. Isn't the expiration date added when the hold is put in "Waiting"?
13:51 marcelr that is the new report for
13:52 marcelr you could do it via command line if you know mysql ?
13:52 marcelr see the second bug for an example
13:52 caroline you mean add the expiration date?
13:52 marcelr yes
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13:53 marcelr hmm
13:53 marcelr in and out
13:55 caroline Ok, so I added the expiration date, but there is still nothing in the holds to pull
13:56 caroline Is there a script I'm supposed to run? Like build_holds_queue but for the holds to pull?
13:57 oleonard No
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14:01 marcelr have to go
14:05 LeeJ caroline: holds to pull doesn't use a the file there's a SQL query (line 173 on current master) that collects all unfilled holds of items that are not checked out
14:05 LeeJ :)
14:06 caroline LeeJ: That's what I figured. It worked instantly in my 17.05 version in production, but it doesn't work in my master
14:06 LeeJ that's unusual
14:07 caroline I really don't know what's wrong. I've git pulled and fetched and statused and logged, and everything seems up to date
14:08 LeeJ if you comment a test plan in task #291 I'll see if I run into the same problem :)
14:08 caroline ok, will do
14:09 caroline But it's pretty straightforward. Place a hold on an available item, see if it's in the Holds to pull list
14:13 LeeJ mhm
14:15 LeeJ caroline: well I've been reading a book called Pragmatic Programmer and one of its key suggestions was attempting to reproduce bugs by following exact steps because each person may test different ways :)
14:16 caroline :) It's what I do with my clients too. And my colleagues can't believe the test plans I write for them ;) lol!
14:16 LeeJ hahaha
14:16 caroline a gazillion steps, lol!
14:17 LeeJ I used to be the test subject for one of our campus trainers when she was my supervisor years ago
14:17 LeeJ she documented the same way :)
14:19 eythian Yes, explicit atomic steps is always the best way
14:19 eythian It removes unconscious assumptions, too.
14:20 LeeJ yes!
14:20 LeeJ atomic-steps++
14:20 LeeJ the book has really opened my eyes to an entirely different way of writing code
14:26 tcohen alex_a: around?
14:26 alex_a tcohen, \o
14:27 tcohen I'm outlining a new RFC for accountlines, can we zoom or hangouts?
14:27 tcohen a couple minutes
14:27 alex_a accountlines?
14:27 wahanui hmmm... accountlines is the table
14:28 alex_a Are you talking about REST API?
14:28 tcohen alex_a: bug 15165
14:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15165 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, In Discussion , REST API routes to list, edit and pay borrower's accountlines
14:28 alex_a tcohen, ok
14:28 tcohen yes, the API
14:28 tcohen do you use zoom?
14:28 LeeJ caroline: followed your test plan and I got holds to pull results
14:29 caroline LeeJ: :((((
14:29 alex_a hangout if you want (but speak very very very slowly please :) )
14:29 LeeJ caroline: are you on kohadevbox? have you tried a reset_all?
14:29 alex_a tcohen, ^
14:29 tcohen ok
14:31 caroline LeeJ: no, I have an installation on my computer (It was installed during my first week, so don't ask me details, I don't remember much ;) ) I git pull when I need to work n it so it's up-to-date. And I don't do any development, so I'm not branhcing out or anything
14:31 LeeJ O.o
14:31 LeeJ that's odd...
14:31 Joubu hi all
14:31 * LeeJ waves to Joubu
14:32 caroline hi Joubu
14:32 LeeJ Joubu: noticed in the release notes it now lists 1 less enhancement..?
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14:34 Joubu LeeJ: it's bug 20540
14:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20540 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , TransformHtmlToXml can duplicate the datafield close tag
14:34 caroline LeeJ: currently my "HEAD" is at c1c7f5e (HEAD -> master, origin/master, origin/HEAD) - Lee Jamison : Bug 7143: Update about page for documentation team, but I saw that bug 20724 was pushed yesterday so I may be missing stuff...?
14:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
14:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
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14:39 Joubu caroline: git fetch origin
14:39 Joubu well, then rebase. But it means your repo is not up-to-date
14:40 caroline Joubu: I fetched and it says my branch is up-to-date with origin/master
14:41 tcohen Joubu: if you agree with my PR, then I will add jq to kohadevbox
14:41 Joubu caroline: sorry, I did not check, c1c7f5e is indeed the current master :)
14:42 Joubu tcohen: where is your PR?
14:42 caroline Joubu: :) yay!
14:43 caroline So I'm not missing any developments, that doesn't help my problem, but it's reassuring nonetheless
14:43 tcohen koha-misc4dev
14:43 tcohen ?
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15:01 cait kidclamp++
15:10 caroline cait: question about capitalization: in the middle of a sentence, should I remove the capital letters for specific types of information? For example: Enter a code for your Authorized value into the 'Authorized value' field.
15:11 caroline Should it be Enter a code for your authorized value into the 'Authorized value' field
15:11 caroline Or "Authorized value" is like a set term in Koha?
15:13 caroline Later on, there is this sentence "New authorized values can be added to any existing or new category."
15:13 caroline So I guess in the middle of a sentence we don't use capital letters?
15:17 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19862: Turn off RoutingListAddReserves on new installations <[…]1e3009696c847791d>
15:17 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18856: (QA follow-up) Rename method to avoid confusion <[…]456ff2f8027767b30>
15:17 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18856: Don't show cancel option for waiting holds in OPAC <[…]b4ebc62924f7f85c9>
15:17 alex_a tcohen++
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15:26 ashimema Do we really still recomment/require the use of Modern::Perl for new code.. without even specifying a year pragma?
15:26 Joubu yes
15:27 ashimema ok
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16:10 jm hola
16:27 caroline LeeJ: are you there?
16:30 Joubu @later tell rangi release notes have a link to the kohadocs repo, should I update the url with https://gitlab/koha-community/koha-manual (or we stick with "kohadocs")?
16:30 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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16:40 huginn News from kohagit: Release notes for 18.05.00-rc2 <[…]cdccae23df1f2314f>
16:40 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18786: Add PAYMENT_TYPE to the installer file <[…]4898bd78fee287ee0>
16:41 sen jm: asking here would be best, PMing random people in the channel isn't the best way
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16:49 fer Hello everyone. Could someone tell me how to access opac from the internet? Please. At the moment I can only do it locally.
16:59 oleonard fer: Your question is a general server-related question rather than a Koha-specific one, so you might try searching the web for documentation related to your server. Apache probably.
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17:09 LeeJ caroline: sorry! I am now
17:09 caroline LeeJ: no problem!
17:09 LeeJ what's up?
17:09 caroline Well, I already sent my merge request, but I was wondering if you were very picky on separating each change in different commits?
17:10 caroline I was going through the administration chapter to fix the capitalization and I noticed one section was obsolete
17:10 caroline so I changed it but I didn't do two different commits
17:11 LeeJ caroline: I don't really have a preference. I'm only hesitant if it's more than 10+ changes (excluding typos/capitalization)
17:11 caroline 10+ lines you mean?
17:12 caroline You might have to go trough what I did, there is a lot of changes for capitalization (like 200+)
17:12 LeeJ more or less, yes
17:12 LeeJ caroline: yours are fine..merging now
17:12 caroline but the Koha to MARC mapping is fairly small
17:13 caroline I will try to make smaller commits in the future.
17:13 LeeJ my largest concern would be adding say every new feature into a single commit
17:13 caroline Ah ok, I understand
17:13 LeeJ your current volume is fine caroline!
17:13 caroline :)
17:15 LeeJ caroline: I'm urging for smaller commits because last release I submitted a merge to cait that had something like 40+ lines
17:16 LeeJ but also because if your edits timeout then many more have to get fixed
17:21 LeeJ caroline: I'm going to try to tackle as many enhancements as I can today
17:21 caroline LeeJ: In the Patrons chapter it says that only patrons with "Staff" type categories can have permissions. I have not found that to be true. Can you confirm?
17:23 caroline LeeJ: in the "new features" I'm not comfortable with the API and architechture features. I'd rather not do them. I'll work on the Self-checkout thing, and I'lll move on to enhancements after
17:24 LeeJ caroline: regarding permissions, it has not been true for us. We have students with permissions
17:25 LeeJ caroline: I'll have a go at them and see how I make out
17:25 caroline LeeJ: same here. I will remove that specification
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17:27 LeeJ caroline: thank you! :)
17:27 * LeeJ waves to cait
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18:58 caroline LeeJ or cait, how do I add a reference to a chapter heading? Specifically Course reserves. There is no _course-reserves-label
18:59 LeeJ hmm..not sure
19:00 caroline I'll point the reference to the first *-label in the course reserves chapter for now
19:00 LeeJ okay :)
19:04 Joubu caroline:[…]sectionlabel.html
19:07 caroline Thanks Joubu! I had noticed those I wasn't sure what the difference was. I would still prefer to point to a *-label since heading can change
19:09 Joubu caroline: yes, I think it's better to use label. Otherwise if the title is changed, the link will be broken
19:14 caroline Joubu: so, should I add a label at the top of the chapter?
19:20 pastebot "LeeJ" at pasted "tcohen just tried spinning up a box w/ ES enabled and got this" (1 line) at
19:20 LeeJ just an FYI
19:21 tcohen LeeJ: please ping drojf
19:21 LeeJ kk
19:22 tcohen its a dependency issue in master packages it sems
19:23 LeeJ @later tell drojf tcohen told me to ping you about this..he said it appears to be a dependency issue in master packages. I got this error during koha-common install step when spinning up a kohadevbox with ES enabled
19:23 huginn LeeJ: The operation succeeded.
19:24 tcohen thanks LeeJ
19:24 tcohen #endmeeting
19:24 LeeJ thank you for giving me some direction for it tcohen
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19:58 cait or add a label - that's what I did
19:59 cait caroline: what Joubu said ... should scroll down. will also be safer for translations
20:00 caroline cait: ?
20:00 caroline I added a label
20:00 cait sorry, might be slightyl confused today :)
20:00 cait labels are good
20:01 caroline labels++
20:01 caroline ;)
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20:17 * andreashm waves
20:17 caroline hi andreashm!
20:18 andreashm tcohen: woho! rest api accountlines RFC! yay!
20:18 andreashm hi caroline
20:45 * LeeJ waves to andreashm
20:46 * LeeJ is trying to get devbox with ES to work and failing horribly
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