Time Nick Message 05:30 fridolin hie poeple 06:24 alex_a bonjour 06:31 reiveune hello 06:31 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:18 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:18 huginn cait: Konstanz, Germany :: :: NoneF/NoneC | Thursday: Periods of rain. High 63F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 100%. Rainfall near a half an inch. Thursday Night: Rain early. Decreasing clouds overnight. Low 48F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 90%. 07:38 gaetan_B hello 07:53 andreashm morning #koha 08:00 andreashm is there an easy way do disable the cache? (koha or apache?) testing some css stuff on a test-server an it's updating slowly 08:03 eythian won't that be the browser cache? 08:04 andreashm eythian: no, tried on different browsers. but my coworker is testing using opacusercss instead, works well. so not an issue anymore. 08:12 tuxayo hi #koha o/ 08:22 andreashm hey tuxayo 08:22 tuxayo hi andreashm :) 08:24 ashimema mornin' 08:33 gaetan_B andreashm: could be plack getting in the way also, i restart plack manually very often when testing these things 08:44 tuxayo _oftc_ashimema[m]: morning :) 09:53 andreashm gaetan_B: thanks! that's a good tip. (I missed that you wrote earlier) 11:30 oleonard Hi all 11:46 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, UK 11:46 huginn ashimema: Error: I could not find a valid location for: Stevenage, UK 11:46 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, GB 11:46 huginn ashimema: Error: I could not find a valid location for: Stevenage, GB 11:47 oleonard @wunder 45701 11:47 huginn oleonard: Athens, OH :: Mostly Cloudy :: 65F/18C | Thursday: Mostly cloudy early, then thunderstorms developing this afternoon. High 79F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80%. Thursday Night: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. Low 63F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%. 12:01 marcelr hi #koha 12:01 tuxayo hi marcelr 12:01 marcelr hi tuxayo 12:08 kidclamp hi marcelr tuxayo 12:08 kidclamp tuxayo you messaged me yesterday? 12:09 tuxayo hi kidclamp 12:09 marcelr hi kidclamp 12:10 tuxayo kidclamp: yes it was about this wiki page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/User:WNickC 12:10 tuxayo Which seems to be you but outdated ^^ 12:10 kidclamp I am not even WNickC anymore :-) 12:11 oleonard Good ol' WikiNick 12:11 marcelr WNickC++ 12:12 tuxayo WNickC++ 12:13 oleonard Anyone remember what year we moved #koha to oftc? 12:15 tuxayo oleonard: maybe https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_Regulars&action=historysubmit&diff=4010&oldid=4009 12:15 tuxayo Not sure how if it was updated without too much lag 12:16 * oleonard was thinking of nicknames long past https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_Regulars&diff=prev&oldid=3607 12:18 kidclamp moved and updated tuxayo 12:19 marcelr do nicknames expire? 12:20 tuxayo Yep it's 2011 oleonard 12:20 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_5_January_2011 12:20 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_February_2011 12:20 tuxayo Transcript of the 2n meeting confirms this. 12:20 oleonard marcelr: Many of our old nicknames were taken on the oftc network when we moved from katipo 12:20 marcelr oops we crossed the 7 years mark 12:21 gveranis hi all I would like to ask something for cataloguing 12:21 gveranis it is possible to set a default value for indicators ? 12:22 gveranis on some fields ? or on save it set the default form MARC ? 12:22 tuxayo kidclamp++ 12:22 tuxayo For "sonic screwdriver" 12:23 marcelr gveranis: the new version will contain such features 12:23 marcelr 18.05 12:23 marcelr talking about indicators here 12:23 gveranis thanks 12:24 marcelr the other fields can have already 12:24 marcelr defaults 12:24 wahanui defaults are 80 with packages. 12:24 marcelr wahanui: good to see you 12:24 wahanui marcelr: what? 12:24 marcelr yeah 13:06 caroline Hello everyone! 13:07 marcelr hello caroline 13:08 tcohen bonjour 13:09 caroline Could someone check if the "Holds to pull" list is working? I reserved an available item and it's not appearing in the list... 13:09 marcelr hi tcohen 13:09 marcelr did you finish the rest api? 13:09 tcohen almost there jajaja 13:09 marcelr great 13:09 marcelr :) 13:19 oleonard caroline: It's working for me 13:20 caroline oleonard: ok, thanks, it must be something I'm doing wrong 13:20 oleonard caroline: Is your hold from the last couple of days? The report has a very narrow default date range 13:21 caroline oleonard: yes, I made it yesterday. I even changed the dates to show the reservations from the last year and there's nothing 13:21 oleonard :/ 13:22 caroline I know... :( I'm trying to document the new feature of being able to mark an item as lost from that list, but it doesn't show any item... 13:22 * LeeJ waves 13:22 LeeJ hi #koha 13:22 caroline hi LeeJ 13:23 marcelr LeeJ! 13:23 LeeJ hi caroline marcelr 13:23 caroline oleonard: my master is up-to-date, so i'm really stumped 13:23 LeeJ caroline: just merged your request 13:23 marcelr caroline: did you check if you have a hold on opac-user? 13:23 caroline LeeJ: thanks! 13:24 caroline marcelr: how do I check that? What is opac-user? 13:24 marcelr go to opac and click your username in the bar 13:24 caroline ah ok! 13:24 caroline going to check right now 13:25 caroline but the hold appears in the record on the staff side 13:25 marcelr ok thats another check 13:25 marcelr so you know it is there 13:25 LeeJ marcelr: I greatly appreciate the details/descriptions you add to the authorities enhancements/features...makes our lives easier during documentation :) 13:25 marcelr cool 13:26 oleonard caroline: Does the record on hold have no items which aren't lost/damaged/notforloan/withdrawn? 13:26 caroline the hold is also in the holds queue 13:26 wahanui okay, caroline. 13:27 caroline oleonard: there is only one item and it's available 13:27 oleonard wahanui: the hold? 13:27 wahanui hmmm... the hold is in the holds queue 13:28 caroline lol! said like that, it sounds very philosophical 13:28 oleonard wahanui: my hovercraft? 13:28 wahanui i don't know, oleonard 13:28 oleonard tsk 13:29 bag morning all 13:29 caroline marcelr: I confirm that the hold shows on in the user's opac account 13:29 caroline hi bag! 13:29 oleonard You out of your time zone bag or just up early? 13:30 bag hehe - up at a normal time for me ;) 13:31 bag Just commenting in #koha earlier than normal 13:31 oleonard #koha is like a fresh cup of coffee 13:31 LeeJ Joubu: around? 13:31 bag and waiting for the eletric kettle to heat the water ;) 13:36 LeeJ hiya bag 13:40 tcohen morning bag, isn't it too early? :-D 13:45 oleonard Stop tcohen you'll make bag sleepy 13:45 tcohen hehe 13:46 Guest2933 nick Paul 13:46 LeeJ caroline: did anyone confirm holds to pull was broken 13:46 LeeJ ? 13:46 oleonard LeeJ: It works for me 13:46 caroline LeeJ: everybody says it's working for them 13:46 LeeJ hmm 13:47 caroline but it isnt for me 13:47 marcelr caroline: maybe you have a hold that has no expirationdate 13:47 marcelr there was a bug about that 13:47 marcelr pushed just this week 13:47 caroline marcelr: I will check 13:47 LeeJ marcelr++ 13:47 marcelr you should check if all holds have a expirationdate 13:47 marcelr let me check the bug number 13:47 Guest2933 Hello, anybody are trying to create a rpm type installation package? 13:48 marcelr caroline: bug 20724 13:48 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup" 13:48 marcelr and bug 20773 13:48 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20773 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , bug 20724 follow-up - Database cleanup 13:49 caroline marcelr: there is no expiration in the staff client. I will check in the database directly 13:49 caroline hmm.. I chased him away... :/ 13:50 marcelr @later tell Joubu: exception for 18856 ? 13:50 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded. 13:51 caroline marcelr: I confirm there is not expiration date in the database. Isn't the expiration date added when the hold is put in "Waiting"? 13:51 marcelr that is the new report for 13:52 marcelr you could do it via command line if you know mysql ? 13:52 marcelr see the second bug for an example 13:52 caroline you mean add the expiration date? 13:52 marcelr yes 13:53 marcelr hmm 13:53 marcelr in and out 13:55 caroline Ok, so I added the expiration date, but there is still nothing in the holds to pull 13:56 caroline Is there a script I'm supposed to run? Like build_holds_queue but for the holds to pull? 13:57 oleonard No 14:01 marcelr have to go 14:05 LeeJ caroline: holds to pull doesn't use a script...in the pendingreserves.pl file there's a SQL query (line 173 on current master) that collects all unfilled holds of items that are not checked out 14:05 LeeJ :) 14:06 caroline LeeJ: That's what I figured. It worked instantly in my 17.05 version in production, but it doesn't work in my master 14:06 LeeJ that's unusual 14:07 caroline I really don't know what's wrong. I've git pulled and fetched and statused and logged, and everything seems up to date 14:08 LeeJ if you comment a test plan in task #291 I'll see if I run into the same problem :) 14:08 caroline ok, will do 14:09 caroline But it's pretty straightforward. Place a hold on an available item, see if it's in the Holds to pull list 14:13 LeeJ mhm 14:15 LeeJ caroline: well I've been reading a book called Pragmatic Programmer and one of its key suggestions was attempting to reproduce bugs by following exact steps because each person may test different ways :) 14:16 caroline :) It's what I do with my clients too. And my colleagues can't believe the test plans I write for them ;) lol! 14:16 LeeJ hahaha 14:16 caroline a gazillion steps, lol! 14:17 LeeJ I used to be the test subject for one of our campus trainers when she was my supervisor years ago 14:17 LeeJ she documented the same way :) 14:19 eythian Yes, explicit atomic steps is always the best way 14:19 eythian It removes unconscious assumptions, too. 14:20 LeeJ yes! 14:20 LeeJ atomic-steps++ 14:20 LeeJ the book has really opened my eyes to an entirely different way of writing code 14:26 tcohen alex_a: around? 14:26 alex_a tcohen, \o 14:27 tcohen I'm outlining a new RFC for accountlines, can we zoom or hangouts? 14:27 tcohen a couple minutes 14:27 alex_a accountlines? 14:27 wahanui hmmm... accountlines is the table 14:28 alex_a Are you talking about REST API? 14:28 tcohen alex_a: bug 15165 14:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15165 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, In Discussion , REST API routes to list, edit and pay borrower's accountlines 14:28 alex_a tcohen, ok 14:28 tcohen yes, the API 14:28 tcohen do you use zoom? 14:28 LeeJ caroline: followed your test plan and I got holds to pull results 14:29 caroline LeeJ: :(((( 14:29 alex_a hangout if you want (but speak very very very slowly please :) ) 14:29 LeeJ caroline: are you on kohadevbox? have you tried a reset_all? 14:29 alex_a tcohen, ^ 14:29 tcohen ok 14:31 caroline LeeJ: no, I have an installation on my computer (It was installed during my first week, so don't ask me details, I don't remember much ;) ) I git pull when I need to work n it so it's up-to-date. And I don't do any development, so I'm not branhcing out or anything 14:31 LeeJ O.o 14:31 LeeJ that's odd... 14:31 Joubu hi all 14:31 * LeeJ waves to Joubu 14:32 caroline hi Joubu 14:32 LeeJ Joubu: noticed in the release notes it now lists 1 less enhancement..? 14:34 Joubu LeeJ: it's bug 20540 14:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20540 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , TransformHtmlToXml can duplicate the datafield close tag 14:34 caroline LeeJ: currently my "HEAD" is at c1c7f5e (HEAD -> master, origin/master, origin/HEAD) - Lee Jamison : Bug 7143: Update about page for documentation team, but I saw that bug 20724 was pushed yesterday so I may be missing stuff...? 14:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 14:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup" 14:39 Joubu caroline: git fetch origin 14:39 Joubu well, then rebase. But it means your repo is not up-to-date 14:40 caroline Joubu: I fetched and it says my branch is up-to-date with origin/master 14:41 tcohen Joubu: if you agree with my PR, then I will add jq to kohadevbox 14:41 Joubu caroline: sorry, I did not check, c1c7f5e is indeed the current master :) 14:42 Joubu tcohen: where is your PR? 14:42 caroline Joubu: :) yay! 14:43 caroline So I'm not missing any developments, that doesn't help my problem, but it's reassuring nonetheless 14:43 tcohen koha-misc4dev 14:43 tcohen ? 15:01 cait kidclamp++ 15:10 caroline cait: question about capitalization: in the middle of a sentence, should I remove the capital letters for specific types of information? For example: Enter a code for your Authorized value into the 'Authorized value' field. 15:11 caroline Should it be Enter a code for your authorized value into the 'Authorized value' field 15:11 caroline Or "Authorized value" is like a set term in Koha? 15:13 caroline Later on, there is this sentence "New authorized values can be added to any existing or new category." 15:13 caroline So I guess in the middle of a sentence we don't use capital letters? 15:17 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19862: Turn off RoutingListAddReserves on new installations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45b6ea652797288d2910b121e3009696c847791d> 15:17 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18856: (QA follow-up) Rename method to avoid confusion <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cb0147affce54f19004173456ff2f8027767b30> 15:17 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18856: Don't show cancel option for waiting holds in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=710c0e5df644731cee15f91b4ebc62924f7f85c9> 15:17 alex_a tcohen++ 15:26 ashimema Do we really still recomment/require the use of Modern::Perl for new code.. without even specifying a year pragma? 15:26 Joubu yes 15:27 ashimema ok 15:36 reiveune bye 16:10 jm hola 16:27 caroline LeeJ: are you there? 16:30 Joubu @later tell rangi release notes have a link to the kohadocs repo, should I update the url with https://gitlab/koha-community/koha-manual (or we stick with "kohadocs")? 16:30 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 16:40 huginn News from kohagit: Release notes for 18.05.00-rc2 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb8b0824ff94380cffb200ecdccae23df1f2314f> 16:40 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18786: Add PAYMENT_TYPE to the installer file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5de40713a518f02a4cc6e4f4898bd78fee287ee0> 16:41 sen jm: asking here would be best, PMing random people in the channel isn't the best way 16:49 fer Hello everyone. Could someone tell me how to access opac from the internet? Please. At the moment I can only do it locally. 16:59 oleonard fer: Your question is a general server-related question rather than a Koha-specific one, so you might try searching the web for documentation related to your server. Apache probably. 17:09 LeeJ caroline: sorry! I am now 17:09 caroline LeeJ: no problem! 17:09 LeeJ what's up? 17:09 caroline Well, I already sent my merge request, but I was wondering if you were very picky on separating each change in different commits? 17:10 caroline I was going through the administration chapter to fix the capitalization and I noticed one section was obsolete 17:10 caroline so I changed it but I didn't do two different commits 17:11 LeeJ caroline: I don't really have a preference. I'm only hesitant if it's more than 10+ changes (excluding typos/capitalization) 17:11 caroline 10+ lines you mean? 17:12 caroline You might have to go trough what I did, there is a lot of changes for capitalization (like 200+) 17:12 LeeJ more or less, yes 17:12 LeeJ caroline: yours are fine..merging now 17:12 caroline but the Koha to MARC mapping is fairly small 17:13 caroline I will try to make smaller commits in the future. 17:13 LeeJ my largest concern would be adding say every new feature into a single commit 17:13 caroline Ah ok, I understand 17:13 LeeJ your current volume is fine caroline! 17:13 caroline :) 17:15 LeeJ caroline: I'm urging for smaller commits because last release I submitted a merge to cait that had something like 40+ lines 17:16 LeeJ but also because if your edits timeout then many more have to get fixed 17:21 LeeJ caroline: I'm going to try to tackle as many enhancements as I can today 17:21 caroline LeeJ: In the Patrons chapter it says that only patrons with "Staff" type categories can have permissions. I have not found that to be true. Can you confirm? 17:23 caroline LeeJ: in the "new features" I'm not comfortable with the API and architechture features. I'd rather not do them. I'll work on the Self-checkout thing, and I'lll move on to enhancements after 17:24 LeeJ caroline: regarding permissions, it has not been true for us. We have students with permissions 17:25 LeeJ caroline: I'll have a go at them and see how I make out 17:25 caroline LeeJ: same here. I will remove that specification 17:27 LeeJ caroline: thank you! :) 17:27 * LeeJ waves to cait 18:58 caroline LeeJ or cait, how do I add a reference to a chapter heading? Specifically Course reserves. There is no _course-reserves-label 18:59 LeeJ hmm..not sure 19:00 caroline I'll point the reference to the first *-label in the course reserves chapter for now 19:00 LeeJ okay :) 19:04 Joubu caroline: http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/ext/autosectionlabel.html 19:07 caroline Thanks Joubu! I had noticed those I wasn't sure what the difference was. I would still prefer to point to a *-label since heading can change 19:09 Joubu caroline: yes, I think it's better to use label. Otherwise if the title is changed, the link will be broken 19:14 caroline Joubu: so, should I add a label at the top of the chapter? 19:20 pastebot "LeeJ" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen just tried spinning up a box w/ ES enabled and got this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/50 19:20 LeeJ just an FYI 19:21 tcohen LeeJ: please ping drojf 19:21 LeeJ kk 19:22 tcohen its a dependency issue in master packages it sems 19:23 LeeJ @later tell drojf tcohen told me to ping you about this..he said it appears to be a dependency issue in master packages. I got this error during koha-common install step when spinning up a kohadevbox with ES enabled http://paste.koha-community.org/50 19:23 huginn LeeJ: The operation succeeded. 19:24 tcohen thanks LeeJ 19:24 tcohen #endmeeting 19:24 LeeJ thank you for giving me some direction for it tcohen 19:58 cait or add a label - that's what I did 19:59 cait caroline: what Joubu said ... should scroll down. will also be safer for translations 20:00 caroline cait: ? 20:00 caroline I added a label 20:00 cait sorry, might be slightyl confused today :) 20:00 cait labels are good 20:01 caroline labels++ 20:01 caroline ;) 20:17 * andreashm waves 20:17 caroline hi andreashm! 20:18 andreashm tcohen: woho! rest api accountlines RFC! yay! 20:18 andreashm hi caroline 20:45 * LeeJ waves to andreashm 20:46 * LeeJ is trying to get devbox with ES to work and failing horribly