IRC log for #koha, 2016-07-26

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00:51 wizzyrea irma is that a wrong channel?
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05:56 cait huh
05:56 cait how do i install Sereal in the old Ubuntu LTS?
05:57 cait i treid libdata-serializer-sereal-perl - but was not found
06:01 * dcook waves to cait
06:01 dcook No idea :)
06:01 * cait just reverts it for now
06:01 dcook @later tell eythian I can't even remember what I wanted to talk about now :)
06:01 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
06:01 dcook Oh... now I do...
06:01 dcook @later tell eythian Actually, I just remembered. Curious about how you handle your Perl dependencies at work. Whether you use packages, carton, cpan, etc...
06:01 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
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06:58 alex_a bonjour
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07:03 morgane hi !
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07:15 drojf monrning #koha
07:15 drojf morning even
07:16 drojf @later tell tcohen about logouts, i had an instance go back to webinstaller all the time after the 3.22.8 upgrade. it stopped after a reboot (production and test server). have not seen it elsewhere
07:16 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
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07:37 LibraryClaire morning #koha
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07:38 gaetan_B hello
07:50 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
07:50 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 18.0°C (8:20 AM BST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
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07:58 eythian @wunder ams
07:58 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 20.8°C (9:52 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:59 eythian ideal bike to work weather today.
07:59 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:59 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 24.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:00 drojf when i was young, "clear" meant blue sky
08:00 drojf everything turns grey when you get old
08:00 LibraryClaire lol
08:00 LibraryClaire Tuesday optimism
08:00 drojf that's me ;)
08:02 eythian drojf: wherever my watch gets its weather info from concludes that a day that has any percentage of rain chance at any point must be a rainy day. So it can be 25 and blue sky, but it still says rain.
08:03 drojf haha. that sounds like data from openweathermap ;)
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09:56 * cait waves
09:56 LibraryClaire hi cait :)
09:57 drojf hello again
09:57 drojf @wunder txl
09:57 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 25.4°C (11:00 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
09:57 drojf feels more like 35
09:58 cait same here
09:59 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 24.7°C (11:58 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
09:59 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
09:59 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 20.0°C (10:50 AM BST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
09:59 LibraryClaire I actually feel almost cold...
09:59 cait I'd take some of that :)
10:00 * LibraryClaire puts on a scarf
10:21 eythian @wunder ams
10:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 24.3°C (12:10 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
10:21 eythian according to my watch, it's raining.
10:21 eythian (it's not.)
10:22 cait khall: around?
10:23 khall what's up?
10:23 cait a sip question :)
10:23 cait is there a way to block returning specific items at the self check
10:23 cait ?
10:23 cait maybe with the sip media type setting?
10:24 khall hmm, I don't think so. At least not that I can recall. It wouldn't be a super difficult feature to add though
10:25 cait hm could the self check software block it maybe?
10:25 cait what are the sip media types used for?
10:27 cait the ones you set in the itemtype
10:34 LibraryClaire cait, i think you set the media type so you can assign sorting rules on the RFID units?
10:35 cait ah - that would make sense
10:35 cait so it's something you configure in the self check software
10:35 cait maybe it can be used to deny checkout/return too?
10:35 cait I will ask them to check i guess
10:36 LibraryClaire well, we have it set so certain items or thing with messages etc get put in exceptions
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10:36 LibraryClaire and I believe they don't necessarily get discharged, the user is asked to put it in a certain bin or the sortation unit feeds it into the exceptions
10:37 LibraryClaire where I worked before, the units didn't discharge exceptions, here they do
10:38 cait discharge = return?
10:38 LibraryClaire oh, yes sorry. removing from the borrower's account
10:39 cait np :) just checking i got it right
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12:30 mveron Good afternnon / daytime #koha
12:30 mveron @wunder Allschwil
12:30 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 28.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
12:32 LibraryClaire hi mveron
12:33 mveron hi LibraryClaire :-)
12:34 mveron Advice by native speakers needed:
12:35 mveron "waiting at LIBRARY since DATE" vs. "waiting at LIBRARY since DATE"
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12:35 mveron what is correct?
12:35 marcelr hi #koha
12:35 marcelr hi mveron
12:35 mveron hi marcelr :-)
12:36 LibraryClaire mveron: are those the same?
12:37 drojf i don't see the difference
12:37 drojf if there is any
12:37 mveron LibraryClaire: Related to Bug 16878
12:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16878 is not accessible.
12:37 mveron Sorry, ...vs "waiting since DATE at LIBRARY"
12:37 mveron :-)
12:38 marcelr @later tell tcohen "we should still refactor the older code in picture-upload and move it to the Upload module"
12:38 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded.
12:38 LibraryClaire apparently i'm not authorised to see that bug
12:38 LibraryClaire I would go for 'waiting at LIBRARY sing DATE'
12:38 LibraryClaire *since
12:38 drojf i am and i don't think it is the right bug
12:38 marcelr it is a security bug
12:38 * mveron thinks: copy paste paste or copy paste copy paste, that's the question
12:39 mveron Bug 16871
12:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16871 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Translatability: Avoid [%%-problem and fix related sentence splitting in catalogue/
12:41 * mveron waves to drojf
12:41 drojf hi mveron
12:41 marcelr @later tell tcohen "hm you also refer to; will have a look"
12:41 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded.
12:42 mveron LibraryClaire: Thanks a lot. Can you comment on the bug please?
12:43 LibraryClaire yup
12:43 * mveron sends some ice cream to LibraryCLaire and everybody else :-)
12:43 drojf do we know what the ETA for ES in production is? i don't know what happened after getting stuff in for 16.05
12:44 LibraryClaire yay :D
12:47 * LibraryClaire runs off with icecream
12:47 mveron me/ has some vanilla icecream with an espresso on top...
12:48 * mveron should put his glasses
12:49 * cait hands LibraryClaire the 'native speaker on duty' badge :)
12:49 LibraryClaire victory is mine!
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12:55 * LibraryClaire pokes wahanui
12:55 wahanui ouch!
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12:57 drojf wahanui: botsnack icecream
12:57 wahanui thanks drojf :)
12:57 eythian wahanui: status
12:57 wahanui Since Thu Jun 16 21:59:33 2016, there have been 256 modifications and 105 questions.  I have been awake for 39 days, 14 hours, 58 minutes, 7 seconds this session, and currently reference 48945 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
12:59 drojf "factoids" is a nice word
13:01 drojf it should count the botsnacks though
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13:04 marcelr hi tcohen: see my last comment on bug 16973 please
13:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16973 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cannot upload cover images under plack
13:04 tcohen morning
13:05 tcohen yeah, was just reading it
13:06 tcohen marcelr: what psgi file are you using? this one is a clean packages install using the shipped plack.psgi
13:07 tcohen drojf: the intermitent logouts are related to the use of memcached for storing session information
13:07 tcohen it seems that C4::Context is not able to use memcached, on my setup
13:08 tcohen it is falling back to tmp file
13:08 drojf oh. ok
13:08 tcohen BTW: my 'setup' is the usual apt-get install koha-common setup
13:10 eythian drojf: botsnack counting patches welcome ;)
13:11 tcohen cait: can u fill a separate bug for the problems in patron anonymize?
13:11 eythian someone posted this in an internal mailing list as the proprietary equivalent of "patches welcome" when they were complaining about outlook:[…]p0=outlook&p5=all
13:11 drojf tcohen: what OS?
13:11 tcohen Debian 8 (amd64)
13:12 drojf lol
13:13 drojf tcohen: ok that's not a very rare setup ;)
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13:13 tcohen i'm sure it isn't
13:13 drojf i wonder if my problem was memcache related. have to see if they are running it
13:13 tcohen running plack, memcache-top showed it was being used
13:13 tcohen but
13:13 drojf they could not log in. the db upgrade would show, when you run it and it does nothing, you could then log in. until th enex ttime
13:14 tcohen plack-error.log showed warnings about print errors on CGI::Session::File
13:14 tcohen drojf: that's probably due to plack not reloading
13:14 drojf caching mysteries
13:14 tcohen or caching misteries
13:14 drojf :D
13:15 tcohen koha-plack --restart should be triggered on upgrade
13:15 tcohen well, it is
13:15 drojf yeah maybe, i switched them to plack a while ago
13:15 tcohen have you seen bug 16974?
13:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions
13:15 tcohen that was causing us lots of headaches
13:15 drojf yes. i was wondering if a koha-script should really change permissions on its own
13:15 tcohen (logrotate mostly)
13:16 tcohen why not?
13:16 tcohen i'm sure we do it already
13:17 drojf i don't know. isn't that a thing a sysadmin likes to decide?
13:17 drojf i mean, it would break koha in that context, but they could still decide :P
13:17 drojf i don't think we fix zebra permissions which have been a problem for a lot of people
13:17 tcohen we don't allow them to choose the username an instance is ran
13:18 tcohen it is hardcoded all over the place
13:18 drojf yes in koha-common context we have pretty strict rules or it breaks
13:18 tcohen drojf: i think you are right, and that's because we haven't spent time on it, but worth doing
13:19 drojf i don't know. i was just wondering if that is a normal thing to do. not opposing making things more failsafe
13:19 tcohen the amount of emails asking for help recovering broken systems due to permissions in zebra, makes it worth
13:20 tcohen we are supposed to be lazy
13:20 tcohen fix it for good instead of the daily troubleshooting
13:20 marcelr tcohen: yes just the normal plack.psgi
13:21 tcohen so maybe just problems with permissions on /tmp
13:22 marcelr well, normal reads with a small devinstall path change ;)
13:22 drojf ha
13:23 drojf "have you changed anything?" "no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. ah yes that one thing"
13:23 drojf :P
13:23 marcelr we should get rid of these regular installs :-p
13:26 drojf yes. personalize koha. every installation gets their own hash that is put in file paths on random
13:26 drojf oh btw hash…
13:27 drojf marcelr: for file uploads, tmp files get a hash based on date/time or something, permanent get one based on… name and file size?
13:27 marcelr yeah including partial contents
13:27 marcelr first block or so iirc
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13:28 mveron Yet another question for native speakers - merely an expandable multiple choice: Bug 13796
13:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge
13:28 drojf marcelr: there is no way to simulate file upload on the command like yet, is there? i may have to put 1000 files in a koha instance and i wouldn't want to do that manually ;)
13:29 marcelr just write the script and submit it :)
13:29 drojf i will, if there is none
13:29 marcelr no there isnt yet
13:29 drojf just wanted to make sure i am not missing something :)
13:30 drojf have to dissect how it is done now. i thing there is ajax stuff in there that i would skip
13:30 drojf +think
13:30 tcohen have you tried kohadevbox guys?
13:30 drojf yes. did not work
13:30 tcohen it would really help troubleshooting real-life situations
13:31 tcohen drojf: how is that?
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13:31 tcohen drojf: 'what' did not work?
13:31 drojf don't know. once it was 32bit problem. later it was something else, i don't remember. i may have a note somewhere. i tried before the hackfest in berlin and decided against using it then
13:32 tcohen ah. it was missing dependencies
13:32 drojf but i did not have much time to troubleshoot, otrherwise i would have kepot trying
13:32 tcohen like it is now
13:32 drojf possible
13:32 wahanui hmmm... possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here
13:32 drojf the one atm should go away soon
13:33 drojf but in general we should have deps fixed before stuff is pushed. otherwise there is no reason looking into automatic master packages
13:33 tcohen i'm updating kohadevbox now so it manually installs missing devs
13:33 tcohen i do it everytime someone reports problems
13:34 drojf this kind of problems should be reported to koha probably. because you only have it when deps are added, right?
13:34 drojf then you fix it, then i have to fix it again later
13:35 drojf i don't know if there is a way to manage it better. it#s on my list to think about it
13:35 tcohen i only maintain kohadevbox, i assume the RM is in contact with you on that regard, though it coud be a communication problem
13:35 tcohen *there*
13:36 drojf i only picked up the job and don't know if there was a system before
13:36 drojf we had no master packages for a while, so i assume no
13:36 drojf so we will get one
13:36 tcohen sounds great .-D
13:37 tcohen people should rely on master packages
13:37 tcohen no matter what dev environment they choose
13:37 drojf who? devs?
13:37 tcohen yes, devs
13:37 drojf but you can't do dev work in there ;)
13:37 tcohen that's the only way we can guarantee
13:37 tcohen consistency
13:37 wahanui consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds.
13:38 tcohen drojf: I'm talking about koha-perldeps
13:38 drojf ah
13:38 tcohen if devs don't rely on koha-perldeps, then things might work on *some* setups and fail for others, notably the end users
13:38 drojf i don't know how much it would slow down development if we take away cpan
13:39 tcohen drojf: if they are introducing a new dep, which is not packaged, they should use cpan of course
13:39 tcohen but one thing is to install a specific, not-yet-used lib using cpan
13:39 drojf but then it's there. and forgotten :)
13:39 tcohen and the other is having a contaminated dev environment
13:40 tcohen in which we cannot rely for, say, QA
13:41 tcohen that's why kohadevbox was a great idea by the digibib people, you just kill it, and re-create it, just in case, only because its free and automated
13:41 drojf but how far does "install secific lib using" cpan go before it is a "contaminated dev environment"?
13:42 tcohen if you have control over what you installed, it is not a contaminated environment
13:43 tcohen but you will eventually loose track of what you did
13:43 tcohen it happened a while back
13:43 drojf you calling me forgetful?
13:43 tcohen Test::DBIx::Class was pulling a newer DBIx::Class
13:43 drojf what were we talking about?
13:43 drojf :P
13:43 tcohen (if instaleld using cpan)
13:44 tcohen so we were developing and testing against a different DBIx::Class
13:44 drojf yeah that shouldn't happen
13:44 tcohen hehe
13:44 tcohen we were talking about the importance of people using koha-perldeps
13:44 tcohen master koha-perldeps
13:45 drojf but that would still have happened then in that case?
13:45 tcohen it depends
13:45 tcohen .-D
13:45 drojf on dependencies? :P
13:45 tcohen if we had it packaged...
13:46 tcohen problem with bug 16974 is that it actually breaks people installs
13:46 drojf which brings us back to "it would be good if i knew about stuff that needs to be packaged before it is in master" :P
13:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions
13:46 tcohen that's bag's fault :-P
13:46 drojf cait tags bugs with "dependency", i did not know until yesterday. i will check that out
13:47 drojf bag is not pushing on his own
13:47 drojf so it's all bywater#s fault :P
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14:03 tcohen drojf, so its your fault
14:04 marcelr a nice game: who's fault it this ?
14:04 marcelr s/it/is/
14:04 tcohen deps are a pain
14:05 drojf we could write all the stuff ourselves and have a huge koha package
14:05 marcelr we can always blame an external dep
14:06 eythian reminds me, how's the taking over of my packages in debian going, drojf
14:06 tcohen yeah, it is great to have that, the ability to blame otheres
14:06 drojf or make the package contain everything. i vaguely remember atheia talking about something like that in berlin or greece, but it got lost in sleep deprivation
14:07 eythian[…] <-- slowly I see :)
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14:08 drojf eythian: not started. i am still at trockenschwimmen.
14:08 drojf i did not find an english translation so i guess it is an english word :P
14:09 eythian It is now you've leaked it.
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14:11 tcohen eythian: do you have an opinion on koha-* scripts checking for the right permissions and fixing them?
14:11 tcohen for example koha-plack making sure the logs are owned by the right user
14:11 drojf eythian: i built some catmandu stuff again trying to learn debian rules. but atm there is all the real work that makes me not play :'(
14:13 eythian tcohen: hmm, it should be careful: for example, someone may want a specific ownership (e.g. for backup purposes or something) and messing with that isn't good. I'd probably go for checking and bailing out with a descriptive error message. But I'm not strongly convinced either side, fixing the perms seems not terrible too.
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14:16 drojf it depends on the folder. like the downloadable database backup has certain permissions. if you change them staff can download all config stuff too and you may not want that. that was one thing i remembered when i wondered if it's a good idea to let a koha script change permissions
14:16 drojf "somebody" should write down rules what is safe to change and what not :P
14:16 * drojf not volunteering
14:18 eythian see if there's a debian policy about it
14:18 drojf about koha paths?
14:18 eythian about what packages should and shouldn't do
14:19 eythian (in this context)
14:19 eythian why are the log files owned wrong anyway?
14:19 * drojf throws it on the pile of debian stuff to learn
14:19 drojf that is not a bad question
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14:21 tcohen eythian, I think it is because they are created by starman (--access-log and --error-log)
14:21 eythian everything I can see in the policy is about installation, which doesn't really count.
14:21 tcohen and it fails to set the right ownership
14:22 tcohen it then probably forks setting the uid of the *-koha user
14:23 tcohen
14:48 eythian ah, then setting permissions of that would be fine I think. Or perhaps the script itself should do it by touch(1)ing the log files before launching plack
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14:52 tcohen https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=53714
14:52 tcohen would you sign it then? :_D
14:53 tcohen I used a cryptic function name, but we can let it pass
14:53 eythian Can't at the moment, I'm at work.
14:53 tcohen (kidding)
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15:21 drojf @wunder txl
15:21 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 31.0°C (5:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
15:21 drojf meh
15:21 druthb @wunder 77098
15:21 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Montrose (Mandell Place), Houston, Texas is 27.2°C (10:21 AM CDT on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
15:31 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
15:31 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 13.6°C (12:30 PM ART on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
15:31 tcohen @wunder ICORDOBA26
15:32 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found.
15:36 druthb 14C sounds *lovely*, tcohen.
15:40 tcohen it is, druthb :-D
15:41 druthb We've been close to 40C every afternoon for the last few weeks.  Cooler today, but still quite toasty.  (Also humid as a steam bath.)
15:51 nengard @wunder 78754
15:51 huginn nengard: The current temperature in North Acres, Austin, Texas is 29.4°C (10:40 AM CDT on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
15:51 nengard oh look our humidity went down ....
15:51 nengard when I woke I couldn't see out the windows they were all steamed up
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15:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:54 mtompset @seen mveron
15:54 huginn mtompset: mveron was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <mveron> Yet another question for native speakers - merely an expandable multiple choice: Bug 13796
15:54 mveron Hi mtompset :-)
15:55 mtompset I was noticing you signed off bug 16868 before, but tcohen gave some good QA feedback which required a massive rework. Care to sign off again? :)
15:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16868 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Silence error t/db_dependent/Linker_FirstMatch.t
15:58 mveron mtompset: I'll give it a try...
16:01 mtompset Oh, and for bug 13796 ... I like Variant V best, because the random length item type is at the end. :)
16:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge
16:05 mtompset mveron: And if you are craving sign offs. Feel free to sort the Needs Sign off by assignee and look for me. There are several easy ones. :)
16:08 mveron mtompset: I have an easy one to sign off as well :-)  Bug 16955
16:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16955 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Internal Server Error while populating new framework
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16:09 mtompset you mentioned plack.
16:09 mtompset I dont have plack running.
16:09 mtompset And I don't know how to get it running.
16:09 mtompset And it's a low priority for me to get it running.
16:10 mtompset But I did eyeball that, and was wondering why you shifted the caches from one scope to another.
16:10 mtompset sadly, I have to run. Back in... 4+ hours.
16:11 mtompset I make no promises, but maybe, mveron.
16:12 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha mveron.
16:12 mveron mtompset: Same to you!
16:12 mtompset Blessings!
16:33 morgane bye
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17:18 khall cait: can you verify I'm not crazy? Bug 16984
17:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16984 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Acquisitions broken
17:18 cait that sounds quite general
17:18 khall cait: you can update the title if you want ; )
17:19 cait huh
17:19 cait i can test in a moment
17:19 khall cait: basically, the item creation form never shows when adding an item to a basic
17:19 cait but i am sure i tested adding orders with bug 15531
17:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Add support for standing orders
17:19 cait with ites
17:19 cait with items
17:19 cait khall: hm
17:19 cait i need help first
17:19 cait old ubuntu lts
17:19 cait how do i install Sereal?
17:20 cait i reverted it out this mornign for testing... but that doesn't seem liek a good way to do this :)
17:22 cait khall: form shows for me
17:22 cait i am testing on almost master without Sereal patch - new order, not standing order, create new record option
17:23 khall cait: thanks! Maybe it's a data issue for me then. Go ahead an close it with WORKSFORME if you want
17:23 cait check if you have an ACQ framework maybe?
17:23 cait and for plugins in your framework?
17:23 cait ... but i'd still like a hint about Sereal installation... anyone?
17:23 drojf cait: cpan Sereal?
17:24 cait ew
17:24 cait only way?
17:24 wahanui somebody said only way was using ccl, pqf, or whatever else we have through the search bar
17:25 eythian cait: get drojf to package it?
17:25 drojf cait do you have libsereal-decoder-perl and -encoder-
17:25 drojf ?
17:25 drojf Joubu is supposed to throw out Sereal
17:26 drojf and use those. maybe you got them
17:26 cait hm let me check
17:26 cait it seems to install :)
17:27 cait yep for both
17:27 drojf Joubu said he would add a patch today
17:27 cait so you can add old ubuntu lts to the list of OS Joubu coudl help
17:28 drojf you could write the followup if you are bored :P
17:29 drojf blergh its still warm
17:29 drojf @wunder txl
17:29 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 29.4°C (7:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
17:30 cait not bored at all
17:33 khall cait: confirmed, I started with a clean db and how it's working! whew!
17:37 drojf later #koha
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19:02 mveron @wunder Allschwil
19:02 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Holderweg, Binningen, Switzerland is 26.3°C (8:53 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
19:07 tcohen wizzyrea: hi
19:07 wahanui kia ora, tcohen
19:07 tcohen and
19:07 drojf or
19:07 tcohen wizzyrea: can u please re-sign 14642? It seems that at some point the sysprefs patch got obsoleted and missed your signature.
19:07 tcohen drojf: xor
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19:13 eythian @later tell wizzyrea I have a beer from Kansas City here. Pretty nice.
19:13 eythian huginn: hello
19:13 eythian ...
19:13 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
19:13 huginn eythian: downloading the Perl source
19:15 tcohen later #koha
19:56 * cait waves
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20:11 drojf good night #koha
20:13 cait @later tell oleonard - could you please take a look at  my buttons vs. link question on Bug 16861  - Translatability: Fix separated "below" in
20:13 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
20:36 cait hm native speakers around?
20:36 cait email vs. e-mail
20:37 ibeardslee 'email' seems to be more common in (NZ) English
20:39 cait it seems ther eis no clear answer there - looking at some dicussions on the internet too hm
20:39 cait thx ibeardslee
20:53 eythian I think e-mail is more formal, but everyone normally uses email.
20:53 rangi yeah, i agree with eythian
20:55 eythian @wunder ams
20:55 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 18.8°C (10:52 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
20:55 eythian Hmm feels warmer
20:57 eythian I'm discovering the best attribute of ebooks: I can have my dim outside light on but still read from my back-lit tablet
20:57 eythian (on my balcony)
20:59 rangi @wunder nzwn
20:59 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:30 AM NZST on July 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
20:59 rangi oh hey eythian, I have a couple of friends moving to amsterdam, one is starting a job lecturing there, I gave them your email
20:59 eythian Oh cool
21:00 eythian Sounds good
21:00 eythian Where're they lecturing?
21:00 rangi and that guy who works driving the cranes at the shipyard I forget his name, was asking about you at goldings the other day
21:00 eythian Nick
21:00 rangi hmm lemme find out
21:00 rangi ahh thats the one
21:01 eythian Still need to find a dodgy postcard to send to Hashigo
21:01 rangi heh
21:02 eythian Maybe a less dodgy one for Catalyst
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21:28 tcohen hi
21:28 wizzyrea eythian which beer?
21:29 eythian wizzyrea: Boulevard, Single-Wide IPA
21:30 wizzyrea Ah they've come a long way ^.^
21:30 cait bug 16985
21:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16985 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Self registration verification e-mail is broken - no token at the end of the URL
21:30 wizzyrea and gone a long way
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21:58 wizzyrea cait I can confirm that the disappearing title problem isn't to do with the 245 not mapped
21:58 wizzyrea (because wouldn't the title not be saved at all if it wasn't?)
22:00 cait the record would save ok
22:00 cait but the biblio.title would remain empt
22:00 cait y
22:00 wizzyrea it's not empty
22:00 wizzyrea it's weird because it's in biblio.title, it's in the marc, and it's in the xml
22:00 cait but it still shows no title?
22:01 cait hm no idea then
22:01 cait have to sleep :)
22:02 wizzyrea only in views where there is no xslt
22:02 wizzyrea so odd.
22:02 cait have a nice day / good night all :)
22:02 wizzyrea good night :)
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22:06 wizzyrea well I found what caused it in the case of my one
22:07 wizzyrea the 245a and 245b were both mapped to biblio.title
22:09 wizzyrea huh. The default framework maps it to something "bibliotitle.subtitle"
22:09 wizzyrea but you can't choose that in the list of koha links
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22:14 wizzyrea sorry bibliosubtitle.subtitle
22:14 wizzyrea how odd.
22:30 rangi eythian: University of Amsterdam
22:34 eythian rangi: Ah cool. A friend has just finished her masters there.
22:34 rangi sweet
22:35 rangi he teaches media studies stuff
22:36 eythian Ah right, she was in CS so probably no overlap
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