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cait |
huh |
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cait |
how do i install Sereal in the old Ubuntu LTS? |
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cait |
i treid libdata-serializer-sereal-perl - but was not found |
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* dcook |
waves to cait |
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dcook |
No idea :) |
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* cait |
just reverts it for now |
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dcook |
@later tell eythian I can't even remember what I wanted to talk about now :) |
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huginn |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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dcook |
Oh... now I do... |
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dcook |
@later tell eythian Actually, I just remembered. Curious about how you handle your Perl dependencies at work. Whether you use packages, carton, cpan, etc... |
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huginn |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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morgane |
hi ! |
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drojf |
monrning #koha |
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drojf |
morning even |
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drojf |
@later tell tcohen about logouts, i had an instance go back to webinstaller all the time after the 3.22.8 upgrade. it stopped after a reboot (production and test server). have not seen it elsewhere |
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huginn |
drojf: The operation succeeded. |
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LibraryClaire |
morning #koha |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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LibraryClaire |
@wunder LCY |
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huginn |
LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 18.0°C (8:20 AM BST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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eythian |
@wunder ams |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 20.8°C (9:52 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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eythian |
ideal bike to work weather today. |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 24.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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drojf |
when i was young, "clear" meant blue sky |
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drojf |
everything turns grey when you get old |
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LibraryClaire |
lol |
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LibraryClaire |
Tuesday optimism |
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drojf |
that's me ;) |
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eythian |
drojf: wherever my watch gets its weather info from concludes that a day that has any percentage of rain chance at any point must be a rainy day. So it can be 25 and blue sky, but it still says rain. |
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drojf |
haha. that sounds like data from openweathermap ;) |
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* cait |
waves |
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LibraryClaire |
hi cait :) |
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drojf |
hello again |
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drojf |
@wunder txl |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 25.4°C (11:00 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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drojf |
feels more like 35 |
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cait |
same here |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 24.7°C (11:58 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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LibraryClaire |
@wunder LCY |
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huginn |
LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 20.0°C (10:50 AM BST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
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LibraryClaire |
I actually feel almost cold... |
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cait |
I'd take some of that :) |
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* LibraryClaire |
puts on a scarf |
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eythian |
@wunder ams |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 24.3°C (12:10 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
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eythian |
according to my watch, it's raining. |
| 10:21 |
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eythian |
(it's not.) |
| 10:22 |
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cait |
khall: around? |
| 10:23 |
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khall |
what's up? |
| 10:23 |
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cait |
a sip question :) |
| 10:23 |
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cait |
is there a way to block returning specific items at the self check |
| 10:23 |
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cait |
? |
| 10:23 |
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cait |
maybe with the sip media type setting? |
| 10:24 |
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khall |
hmm, I don't think so. At least not that I can recall. It wouldn't be a super difficult feature to add though |
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cait |
hm could the self check software block it maybe? |
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cait |
what are the sip media types used for? |
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cait |
the ones you set in the itemtype |
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LibraryClaire |
cait, i think you set the media type so you can assign sorting rules on the RFID units? |
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cait |
ah - that would make sense |
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cait |
so it's something you configure in the self check software |
| 10:35 |
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cait |
maybe it can be used to deny checkout/return too? |
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cait |
I will ask them to check i guess |
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LibraryClaire |
well, we have it set so certain items or thing with messages etc get put in exceptions |
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LibraryClaire |
and I believe they don't necessarily get discharged, the user is asked to put it in a certain bin or the sortation unit feeds it into the exceptions |
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LibraryClaire |
where I worked before, the units didn't discharge exceptions, here they do |
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cait |
discharge = return? |
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LibraryClaire |
oh, yes sorry. removing from the borrower's account |
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cait |
np :) just checking i got it right |
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mveron |
Good afternnon / daytime #koha |
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mveron |
@wunder Allschwil |
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huginn |
mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 28.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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LibraryClaire |
hi mveron |
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mveron |
hi LibraryClaire :-) |
| 12:34 |
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mveron |
Advice by native speakers needed: |
| 12:35 |
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mveron |
"waiting at LIBRARY since DATE" vs. "waiting at LIBRARY since DATE" |
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mveron |
what is correct? |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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marcelr |
hi mveron |
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mveron |
hi marcelr :-) |
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LibraryClaire |
mveron: are those the same? |
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drojf |
i don't see the difference |
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drojf |
if there is any |
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mveron |
LibraryClaire: Related to Bug 16878 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16878 is not accessible. |
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mveron |
Sorry, ...vs "waiting since DATE at LIBRARY" |
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mveron |
:-) |
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marcelr |
@later tell tcohen "we should still refactor the older code in picture-upload and move it to the Upload module" |
| 12:38 |
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huginn |
marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
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LibraryClaire |
apparently i'm not authorised to see that bug |
| 12:38 |
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LibraryClaire |
I would go for 'waiting at LIBRARY sing DATE' |
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LibraryClaire |
*since |
| 12:38 |
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drojf |
i am and i don't think it is the right bug |
| 12:38 |
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marcelr |
it is a security bug |
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* mveron |
thinks: copy paste paste or copy paste copy paste, that's the question |
| 12:39 |
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mveron |
Bug 16871 |
| 12:39 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16871 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Translatability: Avoid [%%-problem and fix related sentence splitting in catalogue/detail.tt |
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* mveron |
waves to drojf |
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drojf |
hi mveron |
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marcelr |
@later tell tcohen "hm you also refer to upload-cover-image.pl; will have a look" |
| 12:41 |
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huginn |
marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
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mveron |
LibraryClaire: Thanks a lot. Can you comment on the bug please? |
| 12:43 |
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LibraryClaire |
yup |
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* mveron |
sends some ice cream to LibraryCLaire and everybody else :-) |
| 12:43 |
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drojf |
do we know what the ETA for ES in production is? i don't know what happened after getting stuff in for 16.05 |
| 12:44 |
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LibraryClaire |
yay :D |
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* LibraryClaire |
runs off with icecream |
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mveron |
me/ has some vanilla icecream with an espresso on top... |
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* mveron |
should put his glasses |
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* cait |
hands LibraryClaire the 'native speaker on duty' badge :) |
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LibraryClaire |
victory is mine! |
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* LibraryClaire |
pokes wahanui |
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wahanui |
ouch! |
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drojf |
wahanui: botsnack icecream |
| 12:57 |
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wahanui |
thanks drojf :) |
| 12:57 |
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eythian |
wahanui: status |
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wahanui |
Since Thu Jun 16 21:59:33 2016, there have been 256 modifications and 105 questions. I have been awake for 39 days, 14 hours, 58 minutes, 7 seconds this session, and currently reference 48945 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 12:59 |
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drojf |
"factoids" is a nice word |
| 13:01 |
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drojf |
it should count the botsnacks though |
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marcelr |
hi tcohen: see my last comment on bug 16973 please |
| 13:04 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16973 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cannot upload cover images under plack |
| 13:04 |
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tcohen |
morning |
| 13:05 |
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tcohen |
yeah, was just reading it |
| 13:06 |
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tcohen |
marcelr: what psgi file are you using? this one is a clean packages install using the shipped plack.psgi |
| 13:07 |
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tcohen |
drojf: the intermitent logouts are related to the use of memcached for storing session information |
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tcohen |
it seems that C4::Context is not able to use memcached, on my setup |
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tcohen |
it is falling back to tmp file |
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drojf |
oh. ok |
| 13:08 |
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tcohen |
BTW: my 'setup' is the usual apt-get install koha-common setup |
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eythian |
drojf: botsnack counting patches welcome ;) |
| 13:11 |
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tcohen |
cait: can u fill a separate bug for the problems in patron anonymize? |
| 13:11 |
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eythian |
someone posted this in an internal mailing list as the proprietary equivalent of "patches welcome" when they were complaining about outlook: https://careers.microsoft.com/[…]p0=outlook&p5=all |
| 13:11 |
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drojf |
tcohen: what OS? |
| 13:11 |
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tcohen |
Debian 8 (amd64) |
| 13:12 |
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drojf |
lol |
| 13:13 |
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drojf |
tcohen: ok that's not a very rare setup ;) |
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tcohen |
i'm sure it isn't |
| 13:13 |
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drojf |
i wonder if my problem was memcache related. have to see if they are running it |
| 13:13 |
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tcohen |
running plack, memcache-top showed it was being used |
| 13:13 |
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tcohen |
but |
| 13:13 |
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drojf |
they could not log in. the db upgrade would show, when you run it and it does nothing, you could then log in. until th enex ttime |
| 13:14 |
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tcohen |
plack-error.log showed warnings about print errors on CGI::Session::File |
| 13:14 |
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tcohen |
drojf: that's probably due to plack not reloading Koha.pm |
| 13:14 |
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drojf |
caching mysteries |
| 13:14 |
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tcohen |
or caching misteries |
| 13:14 |
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drojf |
:D |
| 13:15 |
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tcohen |
koha-plack --restart should be triggered on upgrade |
| 13:15 |
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tcohen |
well, it is |
| 13:15 |
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drojf |
yeah maybe, i switched them to plack a while ago |
| 13:15 |
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tcohen |
have you seen bug 16974? |
| 13:15 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions |
| 13:15 |
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tcohen |
that was causing us lots of headaches |
| 13:15 |
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drojf |
yes. i was wondering if a koha-script should really change permissions on its own |
| 13:15 |
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tcohen |
(logrotate mostly) |
| 13:16 |
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tcohen |
why not? |
| 13:16 |
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tcohen |
i'm sure we do it already |
| 13:17 |
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drojf |
i don't know. isn't that a thing a sysadmin likes to decide? |
| 13:17 |
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drojf |
i mean, it would break koha in that context, but they could still decide :P |
| 13:17 |
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drojf |
i don't think we fix zebra permissions which have been a problem for a lot of people |
| 13:17 |
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tcohen |
we don't allow them to choose the username an instance is ran |
| 13:18 |
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tcohen |
it is hardcoded all over the place |
| 13:18 |
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drojf |
yes in koha-common context we have pretty strict rules or it breaks |
| 13:18 |
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tcohen |
drojf: i think you are right, and that's because we haven't spent time on it, but worth doing |
| 13:19 |
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drojf |
i don't know. i was just wondering if that is a normal thing to do. not opposing making things more failsafe |
| 13:19 |
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tcohen |
the amount of emails asking for help recovering broken systems due to permissions in zebra, makes it worth |
| 13:20 |
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tcohen |
we are supposed to be lazy |
| 13:20 |
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tcohen |
fix it for good instead of the daily troubleshooting |
| 13:20 |
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marcelr |
tcohen: yes just the normal plack.psgi |
| 13:21 |
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tcohen |
so maybe just problems with permissions on /tmp |
| 13:22 |
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marcelr |
well, normal reads with a small devinstall path change ;) |
| 13:22 |
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drojf |
ha |
| 13:23 |
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drojf |
"have you changed anything?" "no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. ah yes that one thing" |
| 13:23 |
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drojf |
:P |
| 13:23 |
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marcelr |
we should get rid of these regular installs :-p |
| 13:26 |
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drojf |
yes. personalize koha. every installation gets their own hash that is put in file paths on random |
| 13:26 |
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drojf |
oh btw hash… |
| 13:27 |
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drojf |
marcelr: for file uploads, tmp files get a hash based on date/time or something, permanent get one based on… name and file size? |
| 13:27 |
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marcelr |
yeah including partial contents |
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marcelr |
first block or so iirc |
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mveron |
Yet another question for native speakers - merely an expandable multiple choice: Bug 13796 |
| 13:28 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge |
| 13:28 |
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drojf |
marcelr: there is no way to simulate file upload on the command like yet, is there? i may have to put 1000 files in a koha instance and i wouldn't want to do that manually ;) |
| 13:29 |
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marcelr |
just write the script and submit it :) |
| 13:29 |
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drojf |
i will, if there is none |
| 13:29 |
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marcelr |
no there isnt yet |
| 13:29 |
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drojf |
just wanted to make sure i am not missing something :) |
| 13:30 |
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drojf |
have to dissect how it is done now. i thing there is ajax stuff in there that i would skip |
| 13:30 |
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drojf |
+think |
| 13:30 |
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tcohen |
have you tried kohadevbox guys? |
| 13:30 |
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drojf |
yes. did not work |
| 13:30 |
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tcohen |
it would really help troubleshooting real-life situations |
| 13:31 |
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tcohen |
drojf: how is that? |
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tcohen |
drojf: 'what' did not work? |
| 13:31 |
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drojf |
don't know. once it was 32bit problem. later it was something else, i don't remember. i may have a note somewhere. i tried before the hackfest in berlin and decided against using it then |
| 13:32 |
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tcohen |
ah. it was missing dependencies |
| 13:32 |
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drojf |
but i did not have much time to troubleshoot, otrherwise i would have kepot trying |
| 13:32 |
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tcohen |
like it is now |
| 13:32 |
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drojf |
possible |
| 13:32 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here |
| 13:32 |
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drojf |
the one atm should go away soon |
| 13:33 |
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drojf |
but in general we should have deps fixed before stuff is pushed. otherwise there is no reason looking into automatic master packages |
| 13:33 |
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tcohen |
i'm updating kohadevbox now so it manually installs missing devs |
| 13:33 |
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tcohen |
i do it everytime someone reports problems |
| 13:34 |
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drojf |
this kind of problems should be reported to koha probably. because you only have it when deps are added, right? |
| 13:34 |
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drojf |
then you fix it, then i have to fix it again later |
| 13:35 |
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drojf |
i don't know if there is a way to manage it better. it#s on my list to think about it |
| 13:35 |
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tcohen |
i only maintain kohadevbox, i assume the RM is in contact with you on that regard, though it coud be a communication problem |
| 13:35 |
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tcohen |
*there* |
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drojf |
i only picked up the job and don't know if there was a system before |
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drojf |
we had no master packages for a while, so i assume no |
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drojf |
so we will get one |
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tcohen |
sounds great .-D |
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tcohen |
people should rely on master packages |
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tcohen |
no matter what dev environment they choose |
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drojf |
who? devs? |
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tcohen |
yes, devs |
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drojf |
but you can't do dev work in there ;) |
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tcohen |
that's the only way we can guarantee |
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tcohen |
consistency |
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wahanui |
consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. |
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tcohen |
drojf: I'm talking about koha-perldeps |
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drojf |
ah |
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tcohen |
if devs don't rely on koha-perldeps, then things might work on *some* setups and fail for others, notably the end users |
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drojf |
i don't know how much it would slow down development if we take away cpan |
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tcohen |
drojf: if they are introducing a new dep, which is not packaged, they should use cpan of course |
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tcohen |
but one thing is to install a specific, not-yet-used lib using cpan |
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drojf |
but then it's there. and forgotten :) |
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tcohen |
and the other is having a contaminated dev environment |
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tcohen |
in which we cannot rely for, say, QA |
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tcohen |
that's why kohadevbox was a great idea by the digibib people, you just kill it, and re-create it, just in case, only because its free and automated |
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drojf |
but how far does "install secific lib using" cpan go before it is a "contaminated dev environment"? |
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tcohen |
if you have control over what you installed, it is not a contaminated environment |
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tcohen |
but you will eventually loose track of what you did |
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tcohen |
it happened a while back |
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drojf |
you calling me forgetful? |
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tcohen |
Test::DBIx::Class was pulling a newer DBIx::Class |
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drojf |
what were we talking about? |
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drojf |
:P |
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tcohen |
(if instaleld using cpan) |
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tcohen |
so we were developing and testing against a different DBIx::Class |
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drojf |
yeah that shouldn't happen |
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tcohen |
hehe |
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tcohen |
we were talking about the importance of people using koha-perldeps |
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tcohen |
master koha-perldeps |
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drojf |
but that would still have happened then in that case? |
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tcohen |
it depends |
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tcohen |
.-D |
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drojf |
on dependencies? :P |
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tcohen |
if we had it packaged... |
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tcohen |
problem with bug 16974 is that it actually breaks people installs |
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drojf |
which brings us back to "it would be good if i knew about stuff that needs to be packaged before it is in master" :P |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions |
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tcohen |
that's bag's fault :-P |
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drojf |
cait tags bugs with "dependency", i did not know until yesterday. i will check that out |
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drojf |
bag is not pushing on his own |
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drojf |
so it's all bywater#s fault :P |
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tcohen |
drojf, so its your fault |
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marcelr |
a nice game: who's fault it this ? |
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marcelr |
s/it/is/ |
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tcohen |
deps are a pain |
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drojf |
we could write all the stuff ourselves and have a huge koha package |
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marcelr |
we can always blame an external dep |
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eythian |
reminds me, how's the taking over of my packages in debian going, drojf |
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tcohen |
yeah, it is great to have that, the ability to blame otheres |
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drojf |
or make the package contain everything. i vaguely remember atheia talking about something like that in berlin or greece, but it got lost in sleep deprivation |
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eythian |
https://qa.debian.org/develope[…]et.nz&comaint=yes <-- slowly I see :) |
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drojf |
eythian: not started. i am still at trockenschwimmen. |
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drojf |
i did not find an english translation so i guess it is an english word :P |
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eythian |
It is now you've leaked it. |
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tcohen |
eythian: do you have an opinion on koha-* scripts checking for the right permissions and fixing them? |
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tcohen |
for example koha-plack making sure the logs are owned by the right user |
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drojf |
eythian: i built some catmandu stuff again trying to learn debian rules. but atm there is all the real work that makes me not play :'( |
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eythian |
tcohen: hmm, it should be careful: for example, someone may want a specific ownership (e.g. for backup purposes or something) and messing with that isn't good. I'd probably go for checking and bailing out with a descriptive error message. But I'm not strongly convinced either side, fixing the perms seems not terrible too. |
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drojf |
it depends on the folder. like the downloadable database backup has certain permissions. if you change them staff can download all config stuff too and you may not want that. that was one thing i remembered when i wondered if it's a good idea to let a koha script change permissions |
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drojf |
"somebody" should write down rules what is safe to change and what not :P |
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* drojf |
not volunteering |
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eythian |
see if there's a debian policy about it |
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drojf |
about koha paths? |
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eythian |
about what packages should and shouldn't do |
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eythian |
(in this context) |
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eythian |
why are the log files owned wrong anyway? |
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* drojf |
throws it on the pile of debian stuff to learn |
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drojf |
that is not a bad question |
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tcohen |
eythian, I think it is because they are created by starman (--access-log and --error-log) |
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eythian |
everything I can see in the policy is about installation, which doesn't really count. |
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tcohen |
and it fails to set the right ownership |
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tcohen |
it then probably forks setting the uid of the *-koha user |
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tcohen |
https://snag.gy/QcE4p6.jpg |
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eythian |
ah, then setting permissions of that would be fine I think. Or perhaps the script itself should do it by touch(1)ing the log files before launching plack |
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tcohen |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=53714 |
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tcohen |
would you sign it then? :_D |
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tcohen |
I used a cryptic function name, but we can let it pass |
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eythian |
Can't at the moment, I'm at work. |
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tcohen |
(kidding) |
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drojf |
@wunder txl |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 31.0°C (5:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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drojf |
meh |
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druthb |
@wunder 77098 |
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huginn |
druthb: The current temperature in Montrose (Mandell Place), Houston, Texas is 27.2°C (10:21 AM CDT on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
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tcohen |
@wunder cordoba, argentina |
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huginn |
tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 13.6°C (12:30 PM ART on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). |
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tcohen |
@wunder ICORDOBA26 |
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huginn |
tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
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druthb |
14C sounds *lovely*, tcohen. |
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tcohen |
it is, druthb :-D |
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druthb |
We've been close to 40C every afternoon for the last few weeks. Cooler today, but still quite toasty. (Also humid as a steam bath.) |
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nengard |
@wunder 78754 |
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huginn |
nengard: The current temperature in North Acres, Austin, Texas is 29.4°C (10:40 AM CDT on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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nengard |
oh look our humidity went down .... |
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nengard |
when I woke I couldn't see out the windows they were all steamed up |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
@seen mveron |
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huginn |
mtompset: mveron was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <mveron> Yet another question for native speakers - merely an expandable multiple choice: Bug 13796 |
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mveron |
Hi mtompset :-) |
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mtompset |
I was noticing you signed off bug 16868 before, but tcohen gave some good QA feedback which required a massive rework. Care to sign off again? :) |
| 15:55 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16868 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Silence error t/db_dependent/Linker_FirstMatch.t |
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mveron |
mtompset: I'll give it a try... |
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mtompset |
Oh, and for bug 13796 ... I like Variant V best, because the random length item type is at the end. :) |
| 16:01 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge |
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mtompset |
mveron: And if you are craving sign offs. Feel free to sort the Needs Sign off by assignee and look for me. There are several easy ones. :) |
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mveron |
mtompset: I have an easy one to sign off as well :-) Bug 16955 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16955 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Internal Server Error while populating new framework |
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mtompset |
you mentioned plack. |
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mtompset |
I dont have plack running. |
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mtompset |
And I don't know how to get it running. |
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mtompset |
And it's a low priority for me to get it running. |
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mtompset |
But I did eyeball that, and was wondering why you shifted the caches from one scope to another. |
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mtompset |
sadly, I have to run. Back in... 4+ hours. |
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mtompset |
I make no promises, but maybe, mveron. |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha mveron. |
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mveron |
mtompset: Same to you! |
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mtompset |
Blessings! |
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morgane |
bye |
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khall |
cait: can you verify I'm not crazy? Bug 16984 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16984 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Acquisitions broken |
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cait |
that sounds quite general |
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khall |
cait: you can update the title if you want ; ) |
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cait |
huh |
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cait |
i can test in a moment |
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khall |
cait: basically, the item creation form never shows when adding an item to a basic |
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cait |
but i am sure i tested adding orders with bug 15531 |
| 17:19 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Add support for standing orders |
| 17:19 |
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cait |
with ites |
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cait |
with items |
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cait |
khall: hm |
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cait |
i need help first |
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cait |
old ubuntu lts |
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cait |
how do i install Sereal? |
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cait |
i reverted it out this mornign for testing... but that doesn't seem liek a good way to do this :) |
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cait |
khall: form shows for me |
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cait |
i am testing on almost master without Sereal patch - new order, not standing order, create new record option |
| 17:23 |
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khall |
cait: thanks! Maybe it's a data issue for me then. Go ahead an close it with WORKSFORME if you want |
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cait |
check if you have an ACQ framework maybe? |
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cait |
and for plugins in your framework? |
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cait |
... but i'd still like a hint about Sereal installation... anyone? |
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drojf |
cait: cpan Sereal? |
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cait |
ew |
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cait |
only way? |
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wahanui |
somebody said only way was using ccl, pqf, or whatever else we have through the search bar |
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eythian |
cait: get drojf to package it? |
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drojf |
cait do you have libsereal-decoder-perl and -encoder- |
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drojf |
? |
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drojf |
Joubu is supposed to throw out Sereal |
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drojf |
and use those. maybe you got them |
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cait |
hm let me check |
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cait |
it seems to install :) |
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cait |
yep for both |
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drojf |
Joubu said he would add a patch today |
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cait |
so you can add old ubuntu lts to the list of OS Joubu coudl help |
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drojf |
you could write the followup if you are bored :P |
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drojf |
blergh its still warm |
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drojf |
@wunder txl |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 29.4°C (7:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
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cait |
not bored at all |
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khall |
cait: confirmed, I started with a clean db and how it's working! whew! |
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drojf |
later #koha |
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mveron |
@wunder Allschwil |
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huginn |
mveron: The current temperature in Holderweg, Binningen, Switzerland is 26.3°C (8:53 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: hi |
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wahanui |
kia ora, tcohen |
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tcohen |
and |
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drojf |
or |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: can u please re-sign 14642? It seems that at some point the sysprefs patch got obsoleted and missed your signature. |
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tcohen |
drojf: xor |
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eythian |
@later tell wizzyrea I have a beer from Kansas City here. Pretty nice. |
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eythian |
huginn: hello |
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eythian |
... |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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huginn |
eythian: downloading the Perl source |
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tcohen |
later #koha |
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* cait |
waves |
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drojf |
good night #koha |
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cait |
@later tell oleonard - could you please take a look at my buttons vs. link question on Bug 16861 - Translatability: Fix separated "below" in circulation.tt |
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huginn |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
hm native speakers around? |
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cait |
email vs. e-mail |
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ibeardslee |
'email' seems to be more common in (NZ) English |
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cait |
it seems ther eis no clear answer there - looking at some dicussions on the internet too hm |
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cait |
thx ibeardslee |
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eythian |
I think e-mail is more formal, but everyone normally uses email. |
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rangi |
yeah, i agree with eythian |
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eythian |
@wunder ams |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 18.8°C (10:52 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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eythian |
Hmm feels warmer |
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eythian |
I'm discovering the best attribute of ebooks: I can have my dim outside light on but still read from my back-lit tablet |
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eythian |
(on my balcony) |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:30 AM NZST on July 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
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rangi |
oh hey eythian, I have a couple of friends moving to amsterdam, one is starting a job lecturing there, I gave them your email |
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eythian |
Oh cool |
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eythian |
Sounds good |
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eythian |
Where're they lecturing? |
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rangi |
and that guy who works driving the cranes at the shipyard I forget his name, was asking about you at goldings the other day |
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eythian |
Nick |
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rangi |
hmm lemme find out |
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rangi |
ahh thats the one |
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eythian |
Still need to find a dodgy postcard to send to Hashigo |
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rangi |
heh |
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eythian |
Maybe a less dodgy one for Catalyst |
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tcohen |
hi |
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wizzyrea |
eythian which beer? |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: Boulevard, Single-Wide IPA |
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wizzyrea |
Ah they've come a long way ^.^ |
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cait |
bug 16985 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16985 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Self registration verification e-mail is broken - no token at the end of the URL |
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wizzyrea |
and gone a long way |
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wizzyrea |
cait I can confirm that the disappearing title problem isn't to do with the 245 not mapped |
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wizzyrea |
(because wouldn't the title not be saved at all if it wasn't?) |
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cait |
the record would save ok |
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cait |
but the biblio.title would remain empt |
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cait |
y |
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wizzyrea |
it's not empty |
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wizzyrea |
it's weird because it's in biblio.title, it's in the marc, and it's in the xml |
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cait |
but it still shows no title? |
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cait |
hm no idea then |
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cait |
have to sleep :) |
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wizzyrea |
only in views where there is no xslt |
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wizzyrea |
so odd. |
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cait |
have a nice day / good night all :) |
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wizzyrea |
good night :) |
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wizzyrea |
well I found what caused it in the case of my one |
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wizzyrea |
the 245a and 245b were both mapped to biblio.title |
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wizzyrea |
huh. The default framework maps it to something "bibliotitle.subtitle" |
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wizzyrea |
but you can't choose that in the list of koha links |
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wizzyrea |
sorry bibliosubtitle.subtitle |
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wizzyrea |
how odd. |
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rangi |
eythian: University of Amsterdam |
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eythian |
rangi: Ah cool. A friend has just finished her masters there. |
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rangi |
sweet |
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rangi |
he teaches media studies stuff |
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eythian |
Ah right, she was in CS so probably no overlap |
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