Time Nick Message 00:51 wizzyrea irma is that a wrong channel? 05:56 cait huh 05:56 cait how do i install Sereal in the old Ubuntu LTS? 05:57 cait i treid libdata-serializer-sereal-perl - but was not found 06:01 * dcook waves to cait 06:01 dcook No idea :) 06:01 * cait just reverts it for now 06:01 dcook @later tell eythian I can't even remember what I wanted to talk about now :) 06:01 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:01 dcook Oh... now I do... 06:01 dcook @later tell eythian Actually, I just remembered. Curious about how you handle your Perl dependencies at work. Whether you use packages, carton, cpan, etc... 06:01 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:55 fridolin hie 06:58 alex_a bonjour 07:03 morgane hi ! 07:15 drojf monrning #koha 07:15 drojf morning even 07:16 drojf @later tell tcohen about logouts, i had an instance go back to webinstaller all the time after the 3.22.8 upgrade. it stopped after a reboot (production and test server). have not seen it elsewhere 07:16 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 07:37 LibraryClaire morning #koha 07:38 gaetan_B hello 07:50 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 07:50 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 18.0°C (8:20 AM BST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 07:58 eythian @wunder ams 07:58 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 20.8°C (9:52 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 07:59 eythian ideal bike to work weather today. 07:59 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:59 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 24.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 08:00 drojf when i was young, "clear" meant blue sky 08:00 drojf everything turns grey when you get old 08:00 LibraryClaire lol 08:00 LibraryClaire Tuesday optimism 08:00 drojf that's me ;) 08:02 eythian drojf: wherever my watch gets its weather info from concludes that a day that has any percentage of rain chance at any point must be a rainy day. So it can be 25 and blue sky, but it still says rain. 08:03 drojf haha. that sounds like data from openweathermap ;) 09:56 * cait waves 09:56 LibraryClaire hi cait :) 09:57 drojf hello again 09:57 drojf @wunder txl 09:57 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 25.4°C (11:00 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 09:57 drojf feels more like 35 09:58 cait same here 09:59 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 24.7°C (11:58 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 09:59 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 09:59 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 20.0°C (10:50 AM BST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 09:59 LibraryClaire I actually feel almost cold... 09:59 cait I'd take some of that :) 10:00 * LibraryClaire puts on a scarf 10:21 eythian @wunder ams 10:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 24.3°C (12:10 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 10:21 eythian according to my watch, it's raining. 10:21 eythian (it's not.) 10:22 cait khall: around? 10:23 khall what's up? 10:23 cait a sip question :) 10:23 cait is there a way to block returning specific items at the self check 10:23 cait ? 10:23 cait maybe with the sip media type setting? 10:24 khall hmm, I don't think so. At least not that I can recall. It wouldn't be a super difficult feature to add though 10:25 cait hm could the self check software block it maybe? 10:25 cait what are the sip media types used for? 10:27 cait the ones you set in the itemtype 10:34 LibraryClaire cait, i think you set the media type so you can assign sorting rules on the RFID units? 10:35 cait ah - that would make sense 10:35 cait so it's something you configure in the self check software 10:35 cait maybe it can be used to deny checkout/return too? 10:35 cait I will ask them to check i guess 10:36 LibraryClaire well, we have it set so certain items or thing with messages etc get put in exceptions 10:36 LibraryClaire and I believe they don't necessarily get discharged, the user is asked to put it in a certain bin or the sortation unit feeds it into the exceptions 10:37 LibraryClaire where I worked before, the units didn't discharge exceptions, here they do 10:38 cait discharge = return? 10:38 LibraryClaire oh, yes sorry. removing from the borrower's account 10:39 cait np :) just checking i got it right 12:30 mveron Good afternnon / daytime #koha 12:30 mveron @wunder Allschwil 12:30 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 28.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 12:32 LibraryClaire hi mveron 12:33 mveron hi LibraryClaire :-) 12:34 mveron Advice by native speakers needed: 12:35 mveron "waiting at LIBRARY since DATE" vs. "waiting at LIBRARY since DATE" 12:35 mveron what is correct? 12:35 marcelr hi #koha 12:35 marcelr hi mveron 12:35 mveron hi marcelr :-) 12:36 LibraryClaire mveron: are those the same? 12:37 drojf i don't see the difference 12:37 drojf if there is any 12:37 mveron LibraryClaire: Related to Bug 16878 12:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16878 is not accessible. 12:37 mveron Sorry, ...vs "waiting since DATE at LIBRARY" 12:37 mveron :-) 12:38 marcelr @later tell tcohen "we should still refactor the older code in picture-upload and move it to the Upload module" 12:38 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded. 12:38 LibraryClaire apparently i'm not authorised to see that bug 12:38 LibraryClaire I would go for 'waiting at LIBRARY sing DATE' 12:38 LibraryClaire *since 12:38 drojf i am and i don't think it is the right bug 12:38 marcelr it is a security bug 12:38 * mveron thinks: copy paste paste or copy paste copy paste, that's the question 12:39 mveron Bug 16871 12:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16871 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Translatability: Avoid [%%-problem and fix related sentence splitting in catalogue/detail.tt 12:41 * mveron waves to drojf 12:41 drojf hi mveron 12:41 marcelr @later tell tcohen "hm you also refer to upload-cover-image.pl; will have a look" 12:41 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded. 12:42 mveron LibraryClaire: Thanks a lot. Can you comment on the bug please? 12:43 LibraryClaire yup 12:43 * mveron sends some ice cream to LibraryCLaire and everybody else :-) 12:43 drojf do we know what the ETA for ES in production is? i don't know what happened after getting stuff in for 16.05 12:44 LibraryClaire yay :D 12:47 * LibraryClaire runs off with icecream 12:47 mveron me/ has some vanilla icecream with an espresso on top... 12:48 * mveron should put his glasses 12:49 * cait hands LibraryClaire the 'native speaker on duty' badge :) 12:49 LibraryClaire victory is mine! 12:55 * LibraryClaire pokes wahanui 12:55 wahanui ouch! 12:57 drojf wahanui: botsnack icecream 12:57 wahanui thanks drojf :) 12:57 eythian wahanui: status 12:57 wahanui Since Thu Jun 16 21:59:33 2016, there have been 256 modifications and 105 questions. I have been awake for 39 days, 14 hours, 58 minutes, 7 seconds this session, and currently reference 48945 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 12:59 drojf "factoids" is a nice word 13:01 drojf it should count the botsnacks though 13:04 marcelr hi tcohen: see my last comment on bug 16973 please 13:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16973 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cannot upload cover images under plack 13:04 tcohen morning 13:05 tcohen yeah, was just reading it 13:06 tcohen marcelr: what psgi file are you using? this one is a clean packages install using the shipped plack.psgi 13:07 tcohen drojf: the intermitent logouts are related to the use of memcached for storing session information 13:07 tcohen it seems that C4::Context is not able to use memcached, on my setup 13:08 tcohen it is falling back to tmp file 13:08 drojf oh. ok 13:08 tcohen BTW: my 'setup' is the usual apt-get install koha-common setup 13:10 eythian drojf: botsnack counting patches welcome ;) 13:11 tcohen cait: can u fill a separate bug for the problems in patron anonymize? 13:11 eythian someone posted this in an internal mailing list as the proprietary equivalent of "patches welcome" when they were complaining about outlook: https://careers.microsoft.com/search.aspx#&&p2=all&p1=all&p3=all&p4=all&p0=outlook&p5=all 13:11 drojf tcohen: what OS? 13:11 tcohen Debian 8 (amd64) 13:12 drojf lol 13:13 drojf tcohen: ok that's not a very rare setup ;) 13:13 tcohen i'm sure it isn't 13:13 drojf i wonder if my problem was memcache related. have to see if they are running it 13:13 tcohen running plack, memcache-top showed it was being used 13:13 tcohen but 13:13 drojf they could not log in. the db upgrade would show, when you run it and it does nothing, you could then log in. until th enex ttime 13:14 tcohen plack-error.log showed warnings about print errors on CGI::Session::File 13:14 tcohen drojf: that's probably due to plack not reloading Koha.pm 13:14 drojf caching mysteries 13:14 tcohen or caching misteries 13:14 drojf :D 13:15 tcohen koha-plack --restart should be triggered on upgrade 13:15 tcohen well, it is 13:15 drojf yeah maybe, i switched them to plack a while ago 13:15 tcohen have you seen bug 16974? 13:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions 13:15 tcohen that was causing us lots of headaches 13:15 drojf yes. i was wondering if a koha-script should really change permissions on its own 13:15 tcohen (logrotate mostly) 13:16 tcohen why not? 13:16 tcohen i'm sure we do it already 13:17 drojf i don't know. isn't that a thing a sysadmin likes to decide? 13:17 drojf i mean, it would break koha in that context, but they could still decide :P 13:17 drojf i don't think we fix zebra permissions which have been a problem for a lot of people 13:17 tcohen we don't allow them to choose the username an instance is ran 13:18 tcohen it is hardcoded all over the place 13:18 drojf yes in koha-common context we have pretty strict rules or it breaks 13:18 tcohen drojf: i think you are right, and that's because we haven't spent time on it, but worth doing 13:19 drojf i don't know. i was just wondering if that is a normal thing to do. not opposing making things more failsafe 13:19 tcohen the amount of emails asking for help recovering broken systems due to permissions in zebra, makes it worth 13:20 tcohen we are supposed to be lazy 13:20 tcohen fix it for good instead of the daily troubleshooting 13:20 marcelr tcohen: yes just the normal plack.psgi 13:21 tcohen so maybe just problems with permissions on /tmp 13:22 marcelr well, normal reads with a small devinstall path change ;) 13:22 drojf ha 13:23 drojf "have you changed anything?" "no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. ah yes that one thing" 13:23 drojf :P 13:23 marcelr we should get rid of these regular installs :-p 13:26 drojf yes. personalize koha. every installation gets their own hash that is put in file paths on random 13:26 drojf oh btw hash… 13:27 drojf marcelr: for file uploads, tmp files get a hash based on date/time or something, permanent get one based on… name and file size? 13:27 marcelr yeah including partial contents 13:27 marcelr first block or so iirc 13:28 mveron Yet another question for native speakers - merely an expandable multiple choice: Bug 13796 13:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge 13:28 drojf marcelr: there is no way to simulate file upload on the command like yet, is there? i may have to put 1000 files in a koha instance and i wouldn't want to do that manually ;) 13:29 marcelr just write the script and submit it :) 13:29 drojf i will, if there is none 13:29 marcelr no there isnt yet 13:29 drojf just wanted to make sure i am not missing something :) 13:30 drojf have to dissect how it is done now. i thing there is ajax stuff in there that i would skip 13:30 drojf +think 13:30 tcohen have you tried kohadevbox guys? 13:30 drojf yes. did not work 13:30 tcohen it would really help troubleshooting real-life situations 13:31 tcohen drojf: how is that? 13:31 tcohen drojf: 'what' did not work? 13:31 drojf don't know. once it was 32bit problem. later it was something else, i don't remember. i may have a note somewhere. i tried before the hackfest in berlin and decided against using it then 13:32 tcohen ah. it was missing dependencies 13:32 drojf but i did not have much time to troubleshoot, otrherwise i would have kepot trying 13:32 tcohen like it is now 13:32 drojf possible 13:32 wahanui hmmm... possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here 13:32 drojf the one atm should go away soon 13:33 drojf but in general we should have deps fixed before stuff is pushed. otherwise there is no reason looking into automatic master packages 13:33 tcohen i'm updating kohadevbox now so it manually installs missing devs 13:33 tcohen i do it everytime someone reports problems 13:34 drojf this kind of problems should be reported to koha probably. because you only have it when deps are added, right? 13:34 drojf then you fix it, then i have to fix it again later 13:35 drojf i don't know if there is a way to manage it better. it#s on my list to think about it 13:35 tcohen i only maintain kohadevbox, i assume the RM is in contact with you on that regard, though it coud be a communication problem 13:35 tcohen *there* 13:36 drojf i only picked up the job and don't know if there was a system before 13:36 drojf we had no master packages for a while, so i assume no 13:36 drojf so we will get one 13:36 tcohen sounds great .-D 13:37 tcohen people should rely on master packages 13:37 tcohen no matter what dev environment they choose 13:37 drojf who? devs? 13:37 tcohen yes, devs 13:37 drojf but you can't do dev work in there ;) 13:37 tcohen that's the only way we can guarantee 13:37 tcohen consistency 13:37 wahanui consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. 13:38 tcohen drojf: I'm talking about koha-perldeps 13:38 drojf ah 13:38 tcohen if devs don't rely on koha-perldeps, then things might work on *some* setups and fail for others, notably the end users 13:38 drojf i don't know how much it would slow down development if we take away cpan 13:39 tcohen drojf: if they are introducing a new dep, which is not packaged, they should use cpan of course 13:39 tcohen but one thing is to install a specific, not-yet-used lib using cpan 13:39 drojf but then it's there. and forgotten :) 13:39 tcohen and the other is having a contaminated dev environment 13:40 tcohen in which we cannot rely for, say, QA 13:41 tcohen that's why kohadevbox was a great idea by the digibib people, you just kill it, and re-create it, just in case, only because its free and automated 13:41 drojf but how far does "install secific lib using" cpan go before it is a "contaminated dev environment"? 13:42 tcohen if you have control over what you installed, it is not a contaminated environment 13:43 tcohen but you will eventually loose track of what you did 13:43 tcohen it happened a while back 13:43 drojf you calling me forgetful? 13:43 tcohen Test::DBIx::Class was pulling a newer DBIx::Class 13:43 drojf what were we talking about? 13:43 drojf :P 13:43 tcohen (if instaleld using cpan) 13:44 tcohen so we were developing and testing against a different DBIx::Class 13:44 drojf yeah that shouldn't happen 13:44 tcohen hehe 13:44 tcohen we were talking about the importance of people using koha-perldeps 13:44 tcohen master koha-perldeps 13:45 drojf but that would still have happened then in that case? 13:45 tcohen it depends 13:45 tcohen .-D 13:45 drojf on dependencies? :P 13:45 tcohen if we had it packaged... 13:46 tcohen problem with bug 16974 is that it actually breaks people installs 13:46 drojf which brings us back to "it would be good if i knew about stuff that needs to be packaged before it is in master" :P 13:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions 13:46 tcohen that's bag's fault :-P 13:46 drojf cait tags bugs with "dependency", i did not know until yesterday. i will check that out 13:47 drojf bag is not pushing on his own 13:47 drojf so it's all bywater#s fault :P 14:03 tcohen drojf, so its your fault 14:04 marcelr a nice game: who's fault it this ? 14:04 marcelr s/it/is/ 14:04 tcohen deps are a pain 14:05 drojf we could write all the stuff ourselves and have a huge koha package 14:05 marcelr we can always blame an external dep 14:06 eythian reminds me, how's the taking over of my packages in debian going, drojf 14:06 tcohen yeah, it is great to have that, the ability to blame otheres 14:06 drojf or make the package contain everything. i vaguely remember atheia talking about something like that in berlin or greece, but it got lost in sleep deprivation 14:07 eythian https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=robin%40kallisti.net.nz&comaint=yes <-- slowly I see :) 14:08 drojf eythian: not started. i am still at trockenschwimmen. 14:08 drojf i did not find an english translation so i guess it is an english word :P 14:09 eythian It is now you've leaked it. 14:11 tcohen eythian: do you have an opinion on koha-* scripts checking for the right permissions and fixing them? 14:11 tcohen for example koha-plack making sure the logs are owned by the right user 14:11 drojf eythian: i built some catmandu stuff again trying to learn debian rules. but atm there is all the real work that makes me not play :'( 14:13 eythian tcohen: hmm, it should be careful: for example, someone may want a specific ownership (e.g. for backup purposes or something) and messing with that isn't good. I'd probably go for checking and bailing out with a descriptive error message. But I'm not strongly convinced either side, fixing the perms seems not terrible too. 14:16 drojf it depends on the folder. like the downloadable database backup has certain permissions. if you change them staff can download all config stuff too and you may not want that. that was one thing i remembered when i wondered if it's a good idea to let a koha script change permissions 14:16 drojf "somebody" should write down rules what is safe to change and what not :P 14:16 * drojf not volunteering 14:18 eythian see if there's a debian policy about it 14:18 drojf about koha paths? 14:18 eythian about what packages should and shouldn't do 14:19 eythian (in this context) 14:19 eythian why are the log files owned wrong anyway? 14:19 * drojf throws it on the pile of debian stuff to learn 14:19 drojf that is not a bad question 14:21 tcohen eythian, I think it is because they are created by starman (--access-log and --error-log) 14:21 eythian everything I can see in the policy is about installation, which doesn't really count. 14:21 tcohen and it fails to set the right ownership 14:22 tcohen it then probably forks setting the uid of the *-koha user 14:23 tcohen https://snag.gy/QcE4p6.jpg 14:48 eythian ah, then setting permissions of that would be fine I think. Or perhaps the script itself should do it by touch(1)ing the log files before launching plack 14:52 tcohen https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=53714 14:52 tcohen would you sign it then? :_D 14:53 tcohen I used a cryptic function name, but we can let it pass 14:53 eythian Can't at the moment, I'm at work. 14:53 tcohen (kidding) 15:21 drojf @wunder txl 15:21 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 31.0°C (5:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 15:21 drojf meh 15:21 druthb @wunder 77098 15:21 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Montrose (Mandell Place), Houston, Texas is 27.2°C (10:21 AM CDT on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 15:31 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 15:31 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 13.6°C (12:30 PM ART on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). 15:31 tcohen @wunder ICORDOBA26 15:32 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. 15:36 druthb 14C sounds *lovely*, tcohen. 15:40 tcohen it is, druthb :-D 15:41 druthb We've been close to 40C every afternoon for the last few weeks. Cooler today, but still quite toasty. (Also humid as a steam bath.) 15:51 nengard @wunder 78754 15:51 huginn nengard: The current temperature in North Acres, Austin, Texas is 29.4°C (10:40 AM CDT on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 15:51 nengard oh look our humidity went down .... 15:51 nengard when I woke I couldn't see out the windows they were all steamed up 15:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 15:54 mtompset @seen mveron 15:54 huginn mtompset: mveron was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <mveron> Yet another question for native speakers - merely an expandable multiple choice: Bug 13796 15:54 mveron Hi mtompset :-) 15:55 mtompset I was noticing you signed off bug 16868 before, but tcohen gave some good QA feedback which required a massive rework. Care to sign off again? :) 15:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16868 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Silence error t/db_dependent/Linker_FirstMatch.t 15:58 mveron mtompset: I'll give it a try... 16:01 mtompset Oh, and for bug 13796 ... I like Variant V best, because the random length item type is at the end. :) 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge 16:05 mtompset mveron: And if you are craving sign offs. Feel free to sort the Needs Sign off by assignee and look for me. There are several easy ones. :) 16:08 mveron mtompset: I have an easy one to sign off as well :-) Bug 16955 16:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16955 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Internal Server Error while populating new framework 16:09 mtompset you mentioned plack. 16:09 mtompset I dont have plack running. 16:09 mtompset And I don't know how to get it running. 16:09 mtompset And it's a low priority for me to get it running. 16:10 mtompset But I did eyeball that, and was wondering why you shifted the caches from one scope to another. 16:10 mtompset sadly, I have to run. Back in... 4+ hours. 16:11 mtompset I make no promises, but maybe, mveron. 16:12 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha mveron. 16:12 mveron mtompset: Same to you! 16:12 mtompset Blessings! 16:33 morgane bye 17:18 khall cait: can you verify I'm not crazy? Bug 16984 17:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16984 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Acquisitions broken 17:18 cait that sounds quite general 17:18 khall cait: you can update the title if you want ; ) 17:19 cait huh 17:19 cait i can test in a moment 17:19 khall cait: basically, the item creation form never shows when adding an item to a basic 17:19 cait but i am sure i tested adding orders with bug 15531 17:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Add support for standing orders 17:19 cait with ites 17:19 cait with items 17:19 cait khall: hm 17:19 cait i need help first 17:19 cait old ubuntu lts 17:19 cait how do i install Sereal? 17:20 cait i reverted it out this mornign for testing... but that doesn't seem liek a good way to do this :) 17:22 cait khall: form shows for me 17:22 cait i am testing on almost master without Sereal patch - new order, not standing order, create new record option 17:23 khall cait: thanks! Maybe it's a data issue for me then. Go ahead an close it with WORKSFORME if you want 17:23 cait check if you have an ACQ framework maybe? 17:23 cait and for plugins in your framework? 17:23 cait ... but i'd still like a hint about Sereal installation... anyone? 17:23 drojf cait: cpan Sereal? 17:24 cait ew 17:24 cait only way? 17:24 wahanui somebody said only way was using ccl, pqf, or whatever else we have through the search bar 17:25 eythian cait: get drojf to package it? 17:25 drojf cait do you have libsereal-decoder-perl and -encoder- 17:25 drojf ? 17:25 drojf Joubu is supposed to throw out Sereal 17:26 drojf and use those. maybe you got them 17:26 cait hm let me check 17:26 cait it seems to install :) 17:27 cait yep for both 17:27 drojf Joubu said he would add a patch today 17:27 cait so you can add old ubuntu lts to the list of OS Joubu coudl help 17:28 drojf you could write the followup if you are bored :P 17:29 drojf blergh its still warm 17:29 drojf @wunder txl 17:29 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 29.4°C (7:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 17:30 cait not bored at all 17:33 khall cait: confirmed, I started with a clean db and how it's working! whew! 17:37 drojf later #koha 19:02 mveron @wunder Allschwil 19:02 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Holderweg, Binningen, Switzerland is 26.3°C (8:53 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 19:07 tcohen wizzyrea: hi 19:07 wahanui kia ora, tcohen 19:07 tcohen and 19:07 drojf or 19:07 tcohen wizzyrea: can u please re-sign 14642? It seems that at some point the sysprefs patch got obsoleted and missed your signature. 19:07 tcohen drojf: xor 19:13 eythian @later tell wizzyrea I have a beer from Kansas City here. Pretty nice. 19:13 eythian huginn: hello 19:13 eythian ... 19:13 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 19:13 huginn eythian: downloading the Perl source 19:15 tcohen later #koha 19:56 * cait waves 20:11 drojf good night #koha 20:13 cait @later tell oleonard - could you please take a look at my buttons vs. link question on Bug 16861 - Translatability: Fix separated "below" in circulation.tt 20:13 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 20:36 cait hm native speakers around? 20:36 cait email vs. e-mail 20:37 ibeardslee 'email' seems to be more common in (NZ) English 20:39 cait it seems ther eis no clear answer there - looking at some dicussions on the internet too hm 20:39 cait thx ibeardslee 20:53 eythian I think e-mail is more formal, but everyone normally uses email. 20:53 rangi yeah, i agree with eythian 20:55 eythian @wunder ams 20:55 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 18.8°C (10:52 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 20:55 eythian Hmm feels warmer 20:57 eythian I'm discovering the best attribute of ebooks: I can have my dim outside light on but still read from my back-lit tablet 20:57 eythian (on my balcony) 20:59 rangi @wunder nzwn 20:59 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:30 AM NZST on July 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 20:59 rangi oh hey eythian, I have a couple of friends moving to amsterdam, one is starting a job lecturing there, I gave them your email 20:59 eythian Oh cool 21:00 eythian Sounds good 21:00 eythian Where're they lecturing? 21:00 rangi and that guy who works driving the cranes at the shipyard I forget his name, was asking about you at goldings the other day 21:00 eythian Nick 21:00 rangi hmm lemme find out 21:00 rangi ahh thats the one 21:01 eythian Still need to find a dodgy postcard to send to Hashigo 21:01 rangi heh 21:02 eythian Maybe a less dodgy one for Catalyst 21:28 tcohen hi 21:28 wizzyrea eythian which beer? 21:29 eythian wizzyrea: Boulevard, Single-Wide IPA 21:30 wizzyrea Ah they've come a long way ^.^ 21:30 cait bug 16985 21:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16985 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Self registration verification e-mail is broken - no token at the end of the URL 21:30 wizzyrea and gone a long way 21:58 wizzyrea cait I can confirm that the disappearing title problem isn't to do with the 245 not mapped 21:58 wizzyrea (because wouldn't the title not be saved at all if it wasn't?) 22:00 cait the record would save ok 22:00 cait but the biblio.title would remain empt 22:00 cait y 22:00 wizzyrea it's not empty 22:00 wizzyrea it's weird because it's in biblio.title, it's in the marc, and it's in the xml 22:00 cait but it still shows no title? 22:01 cait hm no idea then 22:01 cait have to sleep :) 22:02 wizzyrea only in views where there is no xslt 22:02 wizzyrea so odd. 22:02 cait have a nice day / good night all :) 22:02 wizzyrea good night :) 22:06 wizzyrea well I found what caused it in the case of my one 22:07 wizzyrea the 245a and 245b were both mapped to biblio.title 22:09 wizzyrea huh. The default framework maps it to something "bibliotitle.subtitle" 22:09 wizzyrea but you can't choose that in the list of koha links 22:14 wizzyrea sorry bibliosubtitle.subtitle 22:14 wizzyrea how odd. 22:30 rangi eythian: University of Amsterdam 22:34 eythian rangi: Ah cool. A friend has just finished her masters there. 22:34 rangi sweet 22:35 rangi he teaches media studies stuff 22:36 eythian Ah right, she was in CS so probably no overlap