Time  Nick            Message
00:51 wizzyrea        irma is that a wrong channel?
05:56 cait            huh
05:56 cait            how do i install Sereal in the old Ubuntu LTS?
05:57 cait            i treid libdata-serializer-sereal-perl - but was not found
06:01 * dcook         waves to cait
06:01 dcook           No idea :)
06:01 * cait          just reverts it for now
06:01 dcook           @later tell eythian I can't even remember what I wanted to talk about now :)
06:01 huginn          dcook: The operation succeeded.
06:01 dcook           Oh... now I do...
06:01 dcook           @later tell eythian Actually, I just remembered. Curious about how you handle your Perl dependencies at work. Whether you use packages, carton, cpan, etc...
06:01 huginn          dcook: The operation succeeded.
06:55 fridolin        hie
06:58 alex_a          bonjour
07:03 morgane         hi !
07:15 drojf           monrning #koha
07:15 drojf           morning even
07:16 drojf           @later tell tcohen about logouts, i had an instance go back to webinstaller all the time after the 3.22.8 upgrade. it stopped after a reboot (production and test server). have not seen it elsewhere
07:16 huginn          drojf: The operation succeeded.
07:37 LibraryClaire   morning #koha
07:38 gaetan_B        hello
07:50 LibraryClaire   @wunder LCY
07:50 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 18.0°C (8:20 AM BST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:58 eythian         @wunder ams
07:58 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 20.8°C (9:52 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:59 eythian         ideal bike to work weather today.
07:59 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
07:59 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 24.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:00 drojf           when i was young, "clear" meant blue sky
08:00 drojf           everything turns grey when you get old
08:00 LibraryClaire   lol
08:00 LibraryClaire   Tuesday optimism
08:00 drojf           that's me ;)
08:02 eythian         drojf: wherever my watch gets its weather info from concludes that a day that has any percentage of rain chance at any point must be a rainy day. So it can be 25 and blue sky, but it still says rain.
08:03 drojf           haha. that sounds like data from openweathermap ;)
09:56 * cait          waves
09:56 LibraryClaire   hi cait :)
09:57 drojf           hello again
09:57 drojf           @wunder txl
09:57 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 25.4°C (11:00 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
09:57 drojf           feels more like 35
09:58 cait            same here
09:59 cait            @wunder Konstanz
09:59 huginn          cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 24.7°C (11:58 AM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
09:59 LibraryClaire   @wunder LCY
09:59 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 20.0°C (10:50 AM BST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
09:59 LibraryClaire   I actually feel almost cold...
09:59 cait            I'd take some of that :)
10:00 * LibraryClaire puts on a scarf
10:21 eythian         @wunder ams
10:21 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 24.3°C (12:10 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
10:21 eythian         according to my watch, it's raining.
10:21 eythian         (it's not.)
10:22 cait            khall: around?
10:23 khall           what's up?
10:23 cait            a sip question :)
10:23 cait            is there a way to block returning specific items at the self check
10:23 cait            ?
10:23 cait            maybe with the sip media type setting?
10:24 khall           hmm, I don't think so. At least not that I can recall. It wouldn't be a super difficult feature to add though
10:25 cait            hm could the self check software block it maybe?
10:25 cait            what are the sip media types used for?
10:27 cait            the ones you set in the itemtype
10:34 LibraryClaire   cait, i think you set the media type so you can assign sorting rules on the RFID units?
10:35 cait            ah - that would make sense
10:35 cait            so it's something you configure in the self check software
10:35 cait            maybe it can be used to deny checkout/return too?
10:35 cait            I will ask them to check i guess
10:36 LibraryClaire   well, we have it set so certain items or thing with messages etc get put in exceptions
10:36 LibraryClaire   and I believe they don't necessarily get discharged, the user is asked to put it in a certain bin or the sortation unit feeds it into the exceptions
10:37 LibraryClaire   where I worked before, the units didn't discharge exceptions, here they do
10:38 cait            discharge = return?
10:38 LibraryClaire   oh, yes sorry. removing from the borrower's account
10:39 cait            np :) just checking i got it right
12:30 mveron          Good afternnon / daytime #koha
12:30 mveron          @wunder Allschwil
12:30 huginn          mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 28.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
12:32 LibraryClaire   hi mveron
12:33 mveron          hi LibraryClaire :-)
12:34 mveron          Advice by native speakers needed:
12:35 mveron          "waiting at LIBRARY since DATE" vs. "waiting at LIBRARY since DATE"
12:35 mveron          what is correct?
12:35 marcelr         hi #koha
12:35 marcelr         hi mveron
12:35 mveron          hi marcelr :-)
12:36 LibraryClaire   mveron: are those the same?
12:37 drojf           i don't see the difference
12:37 drojf           if there is any
12:37 mveron          LibraryClaire: Related to Bug 16878
12:37 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16878 is not accessible.
12:37 mveron          Sorry, ...vs "waiting since DATE at LIBRARY"
12:37 mveron          :-)
12:38 marcelr         @later tell tcohen "we should still refactor the older code in picture-upload and move it to the Upload module"
12:38 huginn          marcelr: The operation succeeded.
12:38 LibraryClaire   apparently i'm not authorised to see that bug
12:38 LibraryClaire   I would go for 'waiting at LIBRARY sing DATE'
12:38 LibraryClaire   *since
12:38 drojf           i am and i don't think it is the right bug
12:38 marcelr         it is a security bug
12:38 * mveron        thinks: copy paste paste or copy paste copy paste, that's the question
12:39 mveron          Bug 16871
12:39 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16871 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Translatability: Avoid [%%-problem and fix related sentence splitting in catalogue/detail.tt
12:41 * mveron        waves to drojf
12:41 drojf           hi mveron
12:41 marcelr         @later tell tcohen "hm you also refer to upload-cover-image.pl; will have a look"
12:41 huginn          marcelr: The operation succeeded.
12:42 mveron          LibraryClaire: Thanks a lot. Can you comment on the bug please?
12:43 LibraryClaire   yup
12:43 * mveron        sends some ice cream to LibraryCLaire and everybody else :-)
12:43 drojf           do we know what the ETA for ES in production is? i don't know what happened after getting stuff in for 16.05
12:44 LibraryClaire   yay :D
12:47 * LibraryClaire runs off with icecream
12:47 mveron          me/ has some vanilla icecream with an espresso on top...
12:48 * mveron        should put his glasses
12:49 * cait          hands LibraryClaire the 'native speaker on duty' badge :)
12:49 LibraryClaire   victory is mine!
12:55 * LibraryClaire pokes wahanui
12:55 wahanui         ouch!
12:57 drojf           wahanui: botsnack icecream
12:57 wahanui         thanks drojf :)
12:57 eythian         wahanui: status
12:57 wahanui         Since Thu Jun 16 21:59:33 2016, there have been 256 modifications and 105 questions.  I have been awake for 39 days, 14 hours, 58 minutes, 7 seconds this session, and currently reference 48945 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
12:59 drojf           "factoids" is a nice word
13:01 drojf           it should count the botsnacks though
13:04 marcelr         hi tcohen: see my last comment on bug 16973 please
13:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16973 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cannot upload cover images under plack
13:04 tcohen          morning
13:05 tcohen          yeah, was just reading it
13:06 tcohen          marcelr: what psgi file are you using? this one is a clean packages install using the shipped plack.psgi
13:07 tcohen          drojf: the intermitent logouts are related to the use of memcached for storing session information
13:07 tcohen          it seems that C4::Context is not able to use memcached, on my setup
13:08 tcohen          it is falling back to tmp file
13:08 drojf           oh. ok
13:08 tcohen          BTW: my 'setup' is the usual apt-get install koha-common setup
13:10 eythian         drojf: botsnack counting patches welcome ;)
13:11 tcohen          cait: can u fill a separate bug for the problems in patron anonymize?
13:11 eythian         someone posted this in an internal mailing list as the proprietary equivalent of "patches welcome" when they were complaining about outlook: https://careers.microsoft.com/search.aspx#&&p2=all&p1=all&p3=all&p4=all&p0=outlook&p5=all
13:11 drojf           tcohen: what OS?
13:11 tcohen          Debian 8 (amd64)
13:12 drojf           lol
13:13 drojf           tcohen: ok that's not a very rare setup ;)
13:13 tcohen          i'm sure it isn't
13:13 drojf           i wonder if my problem was memcache related. have to see if they are running it
13:13 tcohen          running plack, memcache-top showed it was being used
13:13 tcohen          but
13:13 drojf           they could not log in. the db upgrade would show, when you run it and it does nothing, you could then log in. until th enex ttime
13:14 tcohen          plack-error.log showed warnings about print errors on CGI::Session::File
13:14 tcohen          drojf: that's probably due to plack not reloading Koha.pm
13:14 drojf           caching mysteries
13:14 tcohen          or caching misteries
13:14 drojf           :D
13:15 tcohen          koha-plack --restart should be triggered on upgrade
13:15 tcohen          well, it is
13:15 drojf           yeah maybe, i switched them to plack a while ago
13:15 tcohen          have you seen bug 16974?
13:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions
13:15 tcohen          that was causing us lots of headaches
13:15 drojf           yes. i was wondering if a koha-script should really change permissions on its own
13:15 tcohen          (logrotate mostly)
13:16 tcohen          why not?
13:16 tcohen          i'm sure we do it already
13:17 drojf           i don't know. isn't that a thing a sysadmin likes to decide?
13:17 drojf           i mean, it would break koha in that context, but they could still decide :P
13:17 drojf           i don't think we fix zebra permissions which have been a problem for a lot of people
13:17 tcohen          we don't allow them to choose the username an instance is ran
13:18 tcohen          it is hardcoded all over the place
13:18 drojf           yes in koha-common context we have pretty strict rules or it breaks
13:18 tcohen          drojf: i think you are right, and that's because we haven't spent time on it, but worth doing
13:19 drojf           i don't know. i was just wondering if that is a normal thing to do. not opposing making things more failsafe
13:19 tcohen          the amount of emails asking for help recovering broken systems due to permissions in zebra, makes it worth
13:20 tcohen          we are supposed to be lazy
13:20 tcohen          fix it for good instead of the daily troubleshooting
13:20 marcelr         tcohen: yes just the normal plack.psgi
13:21 tcohen          so maybe just problems with permissions on /tmp
13:22 marcelr         well, normal reads with a small devinstall path change ;)
13:22 drojf           ha
13:23 drojf           "have you changed anything?" "no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. no. ah yes that one thing"
13:23 drojf           :P
13:23 marcelr         we should get rid of these regular installs :-p
13:26 drojf           yes. personalize koha. every installation gets their own hash that is put in file paths on random
13:26 drojf           oh btw hash…
13:27 drojf           marcelr: for file uploads, tmp files get a hash based on date/time or something, permanent get one based on… name and file size?
13:27 marcelr         yeah including partial contents
13:27 marcelr         first block or so iirc
13:28 mveron          Yet another question for native speakers - merely an expandable multiple choice: Bug 13796
13:28 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge
13:28 drojf           marcelr: there is no way to simulate file upload on the command like yet, is there? i may have to put 1000 files in a koha instance and i wouldn't want to do that manually ;)
13:29 marcelr         just write the script and submit it :)
13:29 drojf           i will, if there is none
13:29 marcelr         no there isnt yet
13:29 drojf           just wanted to make sure i am not missing something :)
13:30 drojf           have to dissect how it is done now. i thing there is ajax stuff in there that i would skip
13:30 drojf           +think
13:30 tcohen          have you tried kohadevbox guys?
13:30 drojf           yes. did not work
13:30 tcohen          it would really help troubleshooting real-life situations
13:31 tcohen          drojf: how is that?
13:31 tcohen          drojf: 'what' did not work?
13:31 drojf           don't know. once it was 32bit problem. later it was something else, i don't remember. i may have a note somewhere. i tried before the hackfest in berlin and decided against using it then
13:32 tcohen          ah. it was missing dependencies
13:32 drojf           but i did not have much time to troubleshoot, otrherwise i would have kepot trying
13:32 tcohen          like it is now
13:32 drojf           possible
13:32 wahanui         hmmm... possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here
13:32 drojf           the one atm should go away soon
13:33 drojf           but in general we should have deps fixed before stuff is pushed. otherwise there is no reason looking into automatic master packages
13:33 tcohen          i'm updating kohadevbox now so it manually installs missing devs
13:33 tcohen          i do it everytime someone reports problems
13:34 drojf           this kind of problems should be reported to koha probably. because you only have it when deps are added, right?
13:34 drojf           then you fix it, then i have to fix it again later
13:35 drojf           i don't know if there is a way to manage it better. it#s on my list to think about it
13:35 tcohen          i only maintain kohadevbox, i assume the RM is in contact with you on that regard, though it coud be a communication problem
13:35 tcohen          *there*
13:36 drojf           i only picked up the job and don't know if there was a system before
13:36 drojf           we had no master packages for a while, so i assume no
13:36 drojf           so we will get one
13:36 tcohen          sounds great .-D
13:37 tcohen          people should rely on master packages
13:37 tcohen          no matter what dev environment they choose
13:37 drojf           who? devs?
13:37 tcohen          yes, devs
13:37 drojf           but you can't do dev work in there ;)
13:37 tcohen          that's the only way we can guarantee
13:37 tcohen          consistency
13:37 wahanui         consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds.
13:38 tcohen          drojf: I'm talking about koha-perldeps
13:38 drojf           ah
13:38 tcohen          if devs don't rely on koha-perldeps, then things might work on *some* setups and fail for others, notably the end users
13:38 drojf           i don't know how much it would slow down development if we take away cpan
13:39 tcohen          drojf: if they are introducing a new dep, which is not packaged, they should use cpan of course
13:39 tcohen          but one thing is to install a specific, not-yet-used lib using cpan
13:39 drojf           but then it's there. and forgotten :)
13:39 tcohen          and the other is having a contaminated dev environment
13:40 tcohen          in which we cannot rely for, say, QA
13:41 tcohen          that's why kohadevbox was a great idea by the digibib people, you just kill it, and re-create it, just in case, only because its free and automated
13:41 drojf           but how far does "install secific lib using" cpan go before it is a "contaminated dev environment"?
13:42 tcohen          if you have control over what you installed, it is not a contaminated environment
13:43 tcohen          but you will eventually loose track of what you did
13:43 tcohen          it happened a while back
13:43 drojf           you calling me forgetful?
13:43 tcohen          Test::DBIx::Class was pulling a newer DBIx::Class
13:43 drojf           what were we talking about?
13:43 drojf           :P
13:43 tcohen          (if instaleld using cpan)
13:44 tcohen          so we were developing and testing against a different DBIx::Class
13:44 drojf           yeah that shouldn't happen
13:44 tcohen          hehe
13:44 tcohen          we were talking about the importance of people using koha-perldeps
13:44 tcohen          master koha-perldeps
13:45 drojf           but that would still have happened then in that case?
13:45 tcohen          it depends
13:45 tcohen          .-D
13:45 drojf           on dependencies? :P
13:45 tcohen          if we had it packaged...
13:46 tcohen          problem with bug 16974 is that it actually breaks people installs
13:46 drojf           which brings us back to "it would be good if i knew about stuff that needs to be packaged before it is in master" :P
13:46 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions
13:46 tcohen          that's bag's fault :-P
13:46 drojf           cait tags bugs with "dependency", i did not know until yesterday. i will check that out
13:47 drojf           bag is not pushing on his own
13:47 drojf           so it's all bywater#s fault :P
14:03 tcohen          drojf, so its your fault
14:04 marcelr         a nice game: who's fault it this ?
14:04 marcelr         s/it/is/
14:04 tcohen          deps are a pain
14:05 drojf           we could write all the stuff ourselves and have a huge koha package
14:05 marcelr         we can always blame an external dep
14:06 eythian         reminds me, how's the taking over of my packages in debian going, drojf
14:06 tcohen          yeah, it is great to have that, the ability to blame otheres
14:06 drojf           or make the package contain everything. i vaguely remember atheia talking about something like that in berlin or greece, but it got lost in sleep deprivation
14:07 eythian         https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=robin%40kallisti.net.nz&comaint=yes <-- slowly I see :)
14:08 drojf           eythian: not started. i am still at trockenschwimmen.
14:08 drojf           i did not find an english translation so i guess it is an english word :P
14:09 eythian         It is now you've leaked it.
14:11 tcohen          eythian: do you have an opinion on koha-* scripts checking for the right permissions and fixing them?
14:11 tcohen          for example koha-plack making sure the logs are owned by the right user
14:11 drojf           eythian: i built some catmandu stuff again trying to learn debian rules. but atm there is all the real work that makes me not play :'(
14:13 eythian         tcohen: hmm, it should be careful: for example, someone may want a specific ownership (e.g. for backup purposes or something) and messing with that isn't good. I'd probably go for checking and bailing out with a descriptive error message. But I'm not strongly convinced either side, fixing the perms seems not terrible too.
14:16 drojf           it depends on the folder. like the downloadable database backup has certain permissions. if you change them staff can download all config stuff too and you may not want that. that was one thing i remembered when i wondered if it's a good idea to let a koha script change permissions
14:16 drojf           "somebody" should write down rules what is safe to change and what not :P
14:16 * drojf         not volunteering
14:18 eythian         see if there's a debian policy about it
14:18 drojf           about koha paths?
14:18 eythian         about what packages should and shouldn't do
14:19 eythian         (in this context)
14:19 eythian         why are the log files owned wrong anyway?
14:19 * drojf         throws it on the pile of debian stuff to learn
14:19 drojf           that is not a bad question
14:21 tcohen          eythian, I think it is because they are created by starman (--access-log and --error-log)
14:21 eythian         everything I can see in the policy is about installation, which doesn't really count.
14:21 tcohen          and it fails to set the right ownership
14:22 tcohen          it then probably forks setting the uid of the *-koha user
14:23 tcohen          https://snag.gy/QcE4p6.jpg
14:48 eythian         ah, then setting permissions of that would be fine I think. Or perhaps the script itself should do it by touch(1)ing the log files before launching plack
14:52 tcohen          https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=53714
14:52 tcohen          would you sign it then? :_D
14:53 tcohen          I used a cryptic function name, but we can let it pass
14:53 eythian         Can't at the moment, I'm at work.
14:53 tcohen          (kidding)
15:21 drojf           @wunder txl
15:21 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 31.0°C (5:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
15:21 drojf           meh
15:21 druthb          @wunder 77098
15:21 huginn          druthb: The current temperature in Montrose (Mandell Place), Houston, Texas is 27.2°C (10:21 AM CDT on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
15:31 tcohen          @wunder cordoba, argentina
15:31 huginn          tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 13.6°C (12:30 PM ART on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
15:31 tcohen          @wunder ICORDOBA26
15:32 huginn          tcohen: Error: No such location could be found.
15:36 druthb          14C sounds *lovely*, tcohen.
15:40 tcohen          it is, druthb :-D
15:41 druthb          We've been close to 40C every afternoon for the last few weeks.  Cooler today, but still quite toasty.  (Also humid as a steam bath.)
15:51 nengard         @wunder 78754
15:51 huginn          nengard: The current temperature in North Acres, Austin, Texas is 29.4°C (10:40 AM CDT on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
15:51 nengard         oh look our humidity went down ....
15:51 nengard         when I woke I couldn't see out the windows they were all steamed up
15:52 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
15:54 mtompset        @seen mveron
15:54 huginn          mtompset: mveron was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <mveron> Yet another question for native speakers - merely an expandable multiple choice: Bug 13796
15:54 mveron          Hi mtompset :-)
15:55 mtompset        I was noticing you signed off bug 16868 before, but tcohen gave some good QA feedback which required a massive rework. Care to sign off again? :)
15:55 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16868 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Silence error t/db_dependent/Linker_FirstMatch.t
15:58 mveron          mtompset: I'll give it a try...
16:01 mtompset        Oh, and for bug 13796 ... I like Variant V best, because the random length item type is at the end. :)
16:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge
16:05 mtompset        mveron: And if you are craving sign offs. Feel free to sort the Needs Sign off by assignee and look for me. There are several easy ones. :)
16:08 mveron          mtompset: I have an easy one to sign off as well :-)  Bug 16955
16:08 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16955 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Internal Server Error while populating new framework
16:09 mtompset        you mentioned plack.
16:09 mtompset        I dont have plack running.
16:09 mtompset        And I don't know how to get it running.
16:09 mtompset        And it's a low priority for me to get it running.
16:10 mtompset        But I did eyeball that, and was wondering why you shifted the caches from one scope to another.
16:10 mtompset        sadly, I have to run. Back in... 4+ hours.
16:11 mtompset        I make no promises, but maybe, mveron.
16:12 mtompset        Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha mveron.
16:12 mveron          mtompset: Same to you!
16:12 mtompset        Blessings!
16:33 morgane         bye
17:18 khall           cait: can you verify I'm not crazy? Bug 16984
17:18 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16984 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Acquisitions broken
17:18 cait            that sounds quite general
17:18 khall           cait: you can update the title if you want ; )
17:19 cait            huh
17:19 cait            i can test in a moment
17:19 khall           cait: basically, the item creation form never shows when adding an item to a basic
17:19 cait            but i am sure i tested adding orders with bug 15531
17:19 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Add support for standing orders
17:19 cait            with ites
17:19 cait            with items
17:19 cait            khall: hm
17:19 cait            i need help first
17:19 cait            old ubuntu lts
17:19 cait            how do i install Sereal?
17:20 cait            i reverted it out this mornign for testing... but that doesn't seem liek a good way to do this :)
17:22 cait            khall: form shows for me
17:22 cait            i am testing on almost master without Sereal patch - new order, not standing order, create new record option
17:23 khall           cait: thanks! Maybe it's a data issue for me then. Go ahead an close it with WORKSFORME if you want
17:23 cait            check if you have an ACQ framework maybe?
17:23 cait            and for plugins in your framework?
17:23 cait            ... but i'd still like a hint about Sereal installation... anyone?
17:23 drojf           cait: cpan Sereal?
17:24 cait            ew
17:24 cait            only way?
17:24 wahanui         somebody said only way was using ccl, pqf, or whatever else we have through the search bar
17:25 eythian         cait: get drojf to package it?
17:25 drojf           cait do you have libsereal-decoder-perl and -encoder-
17:25 drojf           ?
17:25 drojf           Joubu is supposed to throw out Sereal
17:26 drojf           and use those. maybe you got them
17:26 cait            hm let me check
17:26 cait            it seems to install :)
17:27 cait            yep for both
17:27 drojf           Joubu said he would add a patch today
17:27 cait            so you can add old ubuntu lts to the list of OS Joubu coudl help
17:28 drojf           you could write the followup if you are bored :P
17:29 drojf           blergh its still warm
17:29 drojf           @wunder txl
17:29 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 29.4°C (7:20 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
17:30 cait            not bored at all
17:33 khall           cait: confirmed, I started with a clean db and how it's working! whew!
17:37 drojf           later #koha
19:02 mveron          @wunder Allschwil
19:02 huginn          mveron: The current temperature in Holderweg, Binningen, Switzerland is 26.3°C (8:53 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
19:07 tcohen          wizzyrea: hi
19:07 wahanui         kia ora, tcohen
19:07 tcohen          and
19:07 drojf           or
19:07 tcohen          wizzyrea: can u please re-sign 14642? It seems that at some point the sysprefs patch got obsoleted and missed your signature.
19:07 tcohen          drojf: xor
19:13 eythian         @later tell wizzyrea I have a beer from Kansas City here. Pretty nice.
19:13 eythian         huginn: hello
19:13 eythian         ...
19:13 huginn          eythian: The operation succeeded.
19:13 huginn          eythian: downloading the Perl source
19:15 tcohen          later #koha
19:56 * cait          waves
20:11 drojf           good night #koha
20:13 cait            @later tell oleonard - could you please take a look at  my buttons vs. link question on Bug 16861  - Translatability: Fix separated "below" in circulation.tt
20:13 huginn          cait: The operation succeeded.
20:36 cait            hm native speakers around?
20:36 cait            email vs. e-mail
20:37 ibeardslee      'email' seems to be more common in (NZ) English
20:39 cait            it seems ther eis no clear answer there - looking at some dicussions on the internet too hm
20:39 cait            thx ibeardslee
20:53 eythian         I think e-mail is more formal, but everyone normally uses email.
20:53 rangi           yeah, i agree with eythian
20:55 eythian         @wunder ams
20:55 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 18.8°C (10:52 PM CEST on July 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
20:55 eythian         Hmm feels warmer
20:57 eythian         I'm discovering the best attribute of ebooks: I can have my dim outside light on but still read from my back-lit tablet
20:57 eythian         (on my balcony)
20:59 rangi           @wunder nzwn
20:59 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:30 AM NZST on July 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
20:59 rangi           oh hey eythian, I have a couple of friends moving to amsterdam, one is starting a job lecturing there, I gave them your email
20:59 eythian         Oh cool
21:00 eythian         Sounds good
21:00 eythian         Where're they lecturing?
21:00 rangi           and that guy who works driving the cranes at the shipyard I forget his name, was asking about you at goldings the other day
21:00 eythian         Nick
21:00 rangi           hmm lemme find out
21:00 rangi           ahh thats the one
21:01 eythian         Still need to find a dodgy postcard to send to Hashigo
21:01 rangi           heh
21:02 eythian         Maybe a less dodgy one for Catalyst
21:28 tcohen          hi
21:28 wizzyrea        eythian which beer?
21:29 eythian         wizzyrea: Boulevard, Single-Wide IPA
21:30 wizzyrea        Ah they've come a long way ^.^
21:30 cait            bug 16985
21:30 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16985 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Self registration verification e-mail is broken - no token at the end of the URL
21:30 wizzyrea        and gone a long way
21:58 wizzyrea        cait I can confirm that the disappearing title problem isn't to do with the 245 not mapped
21:58 wizzyrea        (because wouldn't the title not be saved at all if it wasn't?)
22:00 cait            the record would save ok
22:00 cait            but the biblio.title would remain empt
22:00 cait            y
22:00 wizzyrea        it's not empty
22:00 wizzyrea        it's weird because it's in biblio.title, it's in the marc, and it's in the xml
22:00 cait            but it still shows no title?
22:01 cait            hm no idea then
22:01 cait            have to sleep :)
22:02 wizzyrea        only in views where there is no xslt
22:02 wizzyrea        so odd.
22:02 cait            have a nice day / good night all :)
22:02 wizzyrea        good night :)
22:06 wizzyrea        well I found what caused it in the case of my one
22:07 wizzyrea        the 245a and 245b were both mapped to biblio.title
22:09 wizzyrea        huh. The default framework maps it to something "bibliotitle.subtitle"
22:09 wizzyrea        but you can't choose that in the list of koha links
22:14 wizzyrea        sorry bibliosubtitle.subtitle
22:14 wizzyrea        how odd.
22:30 rangi           eythian: University of Amsterdam
22:34 eythian         rangi: Ah cool. A friend has just finished her masters there.
22:34 rangi           sweet
22:35 rangi           he teaches media studies stuff
22:36 eythian         Ah right, she was in CS so probably no overlap