IRC log for #koha, 2016-07-25

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05:16 DCS Hello all.
05:16 DCS Anyone around help point a poor lost sheep in the right direction on fixing my Zebra?  :)
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05:20 DCS Hi cait
05:20 cait hi DCS
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05:21 DCS I don't suppose you'd happen to know anything about fixing zebra indexing?  I've been hitting a wall and figured I'd stop in here for advice on which way to go.  :)
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06:04 mtj hi DCS, did you install koha using the debian packages?
06:10 DCS yes, I did
06:11 DCS I can paste in some details... give me a sec and I'll use the paste.koha-c... link, if I can get that to work
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06:18 tee i need help on fine
06:18 tee my overdue fines is not calculated at all
06:19 tee tried to upgrade to 3.22.8 but no luck
06:19 tee can someone help
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06:23 pastebot "DCS" at pasted "Zebra Issue" (98 lines) at
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06:25 DCS I'm basically trying to get pointed in the right direction - I've tried a full server reinstall from the ground up, which duplicated the problem.  I'm guessing it is something in the migration I am trying to do, but I'm not sure how to troubleshoot
06:28 DCS I just double checked - looks like my old server was at 3.16, and the new one is running 16.05... so something in there may not have migrated well
06:28 DCS I suppose I could either try finding 3.16 to install on the new server or upgrade the old one prior to migration, if you think that might be the issue....
06:32 DCS hey tee - would love to help, but I'm no expert.  Did you try the usual google searches first?  I turned up this parameter you might want to check on:[…]March/017456.html
06:33 tee all those things are done
06:33 tee even ran script manually
06:33 tee but no idea why is it nt working
06:44 DCS FYI, mtj (or whoever is reading), I tried a quick test of downgrading to 3.22 and that didn't seem to fix things, at least not that I could see.
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06:45 mtj DCS: -> https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=13396
06:45 huginn Bug 13396: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, koha-rebuild-zebra: Couldn't open collection.abs error after 3.18 package update
06:46 mtj DCS: what i would do is create a new koha instance, and load your db dump into that
06:48 mtj ..if you compare/diff that new koha dir to your existing upgraded dir, you will spot some small differences
06:51 mtj DCS: i think your old 3.16 koha-conf.xml file is missing some newer stuff
06:52 mtj tee, did you install koha using the debian packages?
06:52 tee yes
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07:02 alex_a bonjour
07:02 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
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07:21 mtj tee, you can confirm that your fines script is running daily by checking /var/log/auth.log* files
07:22 mtj ..then you need to check your circ rules to make sure your item(s) is overdue, as expected
07:23 tee it is showing overdue items
07:23 tee but fines is shown as 0.00
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07:24 mtj are you sure you have a fine set for that itemtype?
07:25 tee yes
07:25 mtj btw, i suggest you use a non-production koha instance to test fines
07:25 tee i tried that as well
07:25 fridolin hie
07:25 tee on both same issue
07:25 tee my auth.log says
07:26 tee Jul 25 02:55:17 deepali sudo:     root : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/ ; USER=library-koha ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/
07:26 mtj looks ok tee ^
07:26 tee then wht should i check
07:29 mtj hmm, you have some bug with your config, i think
07:29 tee is there any way i can find out the issue
07:30 morgane hi !
07:30 mtj set yout grace period to 0 days tee
07:31 mtj set your return date to 1 year ago
07:31 tee that is to zero only
07:31 mtj perhaps delete your accountlines table, on your test system?
07:32 tee from mysql is it
07:32 mtj the script, then check accountlines table again
07:33 mtj its been some time since i debugged a fines problem - sorry
07:33 tee k
07:34 mtj aah. the 'finesMode' syspref..
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07:36 mtj ..try 'Calculate' , or 'Calculate and charge'
07:37 mtj http://manual.koha-community.o[…]on.html#finesMode
07:37 tee done tht too
07:37 mtj you can run the fines script with a --verbose arg
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07:38 mtj ..and a --log arg too, those should be helpful
07:38 marcelr hi #koha
07:39 * mtj waves to fridolin, morgane, marcelr :)
07:39 marcelr hi mtj
07:41 mtj tee, ' CircControl' syspref looks important too
07:41 mtj http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#CircControl
07:43 fridolin hie mtj
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07:43 gaetan_B hello
07:50 morgane hi mtj :)
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08:07 DCS hmm... well, I've moved on to new errors... I'll poke around a bit more, but at least I have some motion forward....   I have 36 records exported, but still not getting anything through opac.... having a bit of trouble connecting with yaz to confirm - can't seem to find the right socket or maybe something is still missing or wrong in a config file.  getting a bit late at night though, so I'll have to tackle it again in the morning.  Thank
08:21 eythian hi
08:21 wahanui hey, eythian
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08:38 drojf morning #koha
08:45 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:45 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 26.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
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10:09 drojf hello again
10:16 eythian you would say that
10:22 drojf hi eythian
10:22 eythian g'day
10:23 drojf holiday times around here?
10:23 * drojf wants holiday
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10:27 eythian you should talk to your boss
10:30 Joubu marcelr: around?
10:30 marcelr yes Joubu
10:30 drojf eythian: he said i have to work all summer
10:30 drojf which is a good thing, altogether ;)
10:31 eythian drojf: he sounds like a bit of a jerk really :) surely you need a trip to Amsterdam at some stage?
10:31 Joubu Hi marcelr! Could you please detail why you do not want to move the last patch of bug 16878 to its own bug report?
10:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16878 is not accessible.
10:31 liw [off?] I visited the University of Helsinki main library today. It is quite pretty inside. If any of you visit Helsinki ever, you should look in there.
10:31 marcelr What is the problem?
10:31 wahanui
10:31 drojf eythian: i definitely want to do that
10:32 drojf i hear it's a nice city
10:32 Joubu marcelr: I just think it's 2 different things: 1 is a security fix, the other one is a missing deps
10:32 eythian today is very grey. Yesterday I actually got a little bit sunburnt. So, I make no promises :)
10:32 eythian @wunder ams
10:32 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 19.7°C (12:31 PM CEST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
10:33 drojf we have all the summer here atm
10:33 marcelr Joubu: since you keep insisting, i will move it away :)
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10:36 Joubu marcelr: If you don't think it's useful, let it there. I just try to avoid future problems
10:36 marcelr bug 16971
10:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16971 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Missing dependency for HTML::Entities
10:36 Joubu thx
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10:59 vfernandes hi #koha
10:59 vfernandes Koha uses CAS authentication without force authentication right?
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11:45 LibraryClaire afternoon #koha
11:46 drojf hi LibraryClaire :)
11:48 fridolin vfernandes: hie, what do you mean by 'force authentication' ? if cas is on, a user can still use auth form
11:48 LibraryClaire hi drojf
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11:52 oleonard Hi #koha
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11:55 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
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12:31 oleonard No package for libsereal-perl?
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12:32 cait does it backport?
12:32 cait the dadditional patch?
12:32 drojf it's in testing
12:32 cait ah... scrolling broken, that was actually for marcelr's and Joubu's discussion...
12:32 drojf hi cait
12:32 drojf and oleonard
12:32 wahanui i think oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
12:32 cait hi drojf
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12:32 marcelr hi cait
12:32 drojf oleonard: bug nr?
12:33 oleonard Bug 16715
12:33 wahanui it has been said that Bug 16715 is passed qa
12:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Koha::Cache - Use Sereal for serialization
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12:34 nengard morning all
12:38 marcelr hi nengard
12:39 * LibraryClaire waves
12:39 oleonard What is the recommended method for getting libsereal-perl? Staff client is broken in master without it.
12:39 marcelr oleonard: cpanm ?
12:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
12:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 26.7°C (2:41 PM CEST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
12:42 cait feels warmer
12:42 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
12:42 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 23.0°C (1:20 PM BST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
12:42 drojf oleonard: i can look into backporting later. in general it would not hurt if people mentioned that is necessary when they add stuff. i don't have much bug tracker time at the moment so i won't just find it all by accident
12:43 eythian everywhere has sold out of plug-in insect repellents. This is a problem, as mosquitos have discovered where I live.
12:43 drojf eythian: get a cat
12:43 marcelr drojf: you could send that reminder again on the ml (and have qaers help you too :)
12:43 eythian drojf: how does a cat help?
12:44 LibraryClaire eythian: get a spider
12:44 drojf it will either hunt the mosquitos or provide comfort when you've been bitten
12:44 marcelr eythian: klamboe ?
12:45 drojf don't get a spider before i visit
12:45 eythian I saw one in my bedroom the other day, it doesn't seem to be a very good hunter though.
12:45 oleonard Should we not have a procedure for making packages available *before* the patch gets pushed to master?
12:45 drojf because otherwise i won't :P
12:45 eythian marcelr: that'd be a fun option :)
12:45 marcelr oleonard: it happens every now and then agian
12:45 marcelr again
12:45 drojf oleonard: yes that would be a very good idea
12:48 drojf oleonard: a manual way could be that devs looks if stuff they use is available, and mention if it's not. and then send me wine or sweets and add me to the bug
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12:50 marcelr drojf: make them send wine and sweets to qa too, and you have a new coding guideline
12:50 drojf marcelr: deal!
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12:53 cait drojf: make a saved search for keyword dependency too
12:54 cait i always mark everything i find with that that adds new dependencies
12:54 drojf oh cool, i did not know
12:54 cait sorry for that :)
12:54 drojf cait++
12:55 cait you might want to put yourself cc on those in batch maybe
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12:55 cait and we can try to add you on new ones as they appear
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13:07 vfernandes fridolin: i have two applications using the same CAS server
13:07 fridolin vfernandes: yep its the purpose of a CAS ;)
13:08 vfernandes when I logout on the other application than Koha, I'm logging out of CAS
13:08 vfernandes but the Koha session is still ative
13:08 vfernandes *active
13:09 vfernandes checking the Koha code, when I enter Koha with CAS a session cookie is created
13:10 vfernandes Koha always uses that session cookie to check if the user is authorized to access some script
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13:11 vfernandes that session cookie isn't removed when logging out from CAS in other application
13:19 fridolin vfernandes: mmm this is too  much for me, i'd say its normal but i'm not sure
13:20 fridolin matts: is the CAS expert ^
13:21 matts vfernandes, seems like a bug to me.
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13:26 drojf cait: how do you add a keyword to the list?
13:26 drojf cait: i'd like to have something like "nowheezy" to mark things that won't work
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13:29 mveron Hi #koha
13:29 vfernandes thanks fridolin... matts: maybe I should fill a bug for that
13:29 mveron @wunder Allschwil
13:29 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 26.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
13:29 Joubu mveron: ha, good timing :)
13:29 mveron Hi Joubu
13:30 Joubu mveron: did not you fix something like "Fatal: unexpected operator 'cancellationdate' with undef operand"
13:30 Joubu I don't find the bug number!
13:30 Joubu it happens when I confirm a hold on checkin
13:30 cait drojf: i think only rangi can do that- I am lacking permissions
13:31 mveron Joubu: I will dig in my bugs..
13:31 matts vfernandes, yes, I think you should!
13:31 drojf hi mveron
13:31 fridolin vfernandes: yep indeed, open a bug
13:31 mveron hi drojf
13:31 drojf cait: ok
13:31 vfernandes phpCAS client has something called forceAuthentication
13:31 vfernandes[…]C/phpCAS+examples
13:31 drojf @later tell rangi can we have a BZ keyword 'nowheezy' to mark patches that won't work there?
13:31 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
13:32 vfernandes that method should be called in every PHP file to check if the ticket is still valid
13:32 eythian @later tell rangi actually, make that keyword "breathesfine"
13:32 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
13:33 vfernandes phpCAS has also a method to handle CAS logout requests - phpCAS::handleLogoutRequests();
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13:40 Joubu mveron: bug16942
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13:40 Joubu mveron: bug 16942
13:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16942 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Confirm hold results in ugly error
13:40 Joubu was hard to find!
13:40 mveron Joubu: You were faster ...
13:40 Joubu mveron: it was not you :)
13:41 Joubu khall: could you have a look please?
13:41 mveron Jobou: not always...
13:41 mveron :-)
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13:57 tcohen hola #koha
13:57 nengard hola!
14:00 LibraryClaire hi tcohen
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14:01 tcohen hey LibraryClaire nengard
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14:11 tcohen is anyone having weird logouts every time on 3.22?
14:15 drojf define weird
14:16 tcohen too frecquently
14:23 Joubu define too frecquently
14:23 Joubu (:d)
14:23 tcohen every two or three clicks
14:24 tcohen after an upgrade
14:24 tcohen to a new server
14:24 tcohen sessions deleted
14:24 Joubu same code?
14:24 wahanui well, same code is still in master
14:24 tcohen (before deleting the browser¿s cache it was all broken of course)
14:24 tcohen 3.20 -> 3.22
14:25 tcohen ah
14:25 Joubu ah?
14:25 wahanui it has been said that ah is ?
14:25 tcohen is it possible that memcache's memory is completely filled?
14:25 Joubu outch
14:26 Joubu the default value is something like 64mo I think
14:26 Joubu since we caching more and more stuffs (and big) in it, maybe
14:26 Joubu but I have really no idea what the size of stuffs we cache
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14:27 Joubu tcohen: I guess you already tried to restart it
14:27 * tcohen is grabbing memcache-top
14:55 tcohen Wide character in print at /usr/share/perl5/CGI/Session/Driver/ line 118.
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15:08 tcohen @seen marcelr
15:08 huginn tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <marcelr> drojf: make them send wine and sweets to qa too, and you have a new coding guideline
15:10 tcohen @later tell marcelr users are reporting (and I confirmed in 2 instances) that cover image upload is not working under plack
15:10 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:13 Joubu tcohen: bug 16886?
15:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16886 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , 'Upload patron images' tool is not plack safe
15:13 Joubu no
15:14 tcohen well, maybe similar on
15:15 Joubu tcohen: did you open a bug?
15:16 tcohen Joubu: not yet
15:16 tcohen i'm dealing with users being kicked out now
15:19 morgane bye !
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15:21 tcohen Joubu: this is interesting
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15:22 tcohen [Mon Jul 25 12:20:29 2016] starman: Wide character in print at /usr/share/perl5/CGI/Session/Driver/ line 118.
15:22 tcohen it is supposed to be using Memcached for storing sessions
15:22 Joubu I guess it's because it has not been correctly init
15:24 tcohen Joubu: sounds correct
15:25 LibraryClaire laters #koha
15:42 tcohen Joubu: i moved session storage to mysql, restarted memcached, and plack
15:42 tcohen and no more users kicked out
15:43 Joubu weird
15:43 Joubu tcohen: it did not work by just restarting memcached+plack?
15:44 tcohen nope
15:44 Joubu did you try to extend the memcached memory allocated?
15:46 tcohen yes
15:46 tcohen 512 MB
15:46 tcohen but only 120kb are used
15:46 tcohen my fear is that the caching changes cherry-picked for 3.22 broke memcached usage in
15:47 Joubu Someone else would have noticed it
15:49 tcohen Joubu: I know
15:50 tcohen I guess most levae the sessionStorage syspref as default
15:50 Joubu heh, I use sessionStorage as well
15:50 Joubu =mysql
15:56 Joubu tcohen: looks ok for me (memcached+3.22), but I do not get the wide char warning
16:01 lari jajm: i'm having trouble with patron REST tests (t/db_dependent/api/v1/patrons.t) not cleaning borrowers table after testing in master. holds.t does not have same problem
16:01 lari seems that if the test does authentication ($t->request_ok($tx) with CGISESSID set), $dbh->rollback is ineffective.
16:03 Joubu lari: please open a bug report, and link it to the original one
16:04 Joubu lari: master does not have the problem, sure?
16:04 lari Joubu: can u run patrons.t and see if it also happens for you?
16:04 Joubu looking at git diff, the file has not changed since it's pushed
16:05 Joubu t/db_dependent/api/v1/patrons.t .. Can't open file "definitions/index.json": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/ line 363.
16:06 Joubu forget my question, misread
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17:14 DCS Hey folks - just checking back with the resolution.  Thanks to mtj, I narrowed down my issue to a conf file problem.  Rather than trying to track down all the different files that were wrong (there were several, between koha and zebra), I reverted back to the stock debian+koha before adding any libraries.  Then, I created a new library and only copied over the database directly into sql, without using koha-restore.
17:15 DCS Then, I updated the mysql password and the matching koha config file password.  I'm sure I may be missing one or two other configuration tweaks that I'll have to adjust, but at least I'm running again with zebra functional.
17:16 DCS Anyhow, thanks so much for getting me pointed in the right direction.  I'm sure if I had a bit better unix-fu I would have been able to force koha-restore to do what I wanted, but overall this seems to have worked for my needs.
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17:52 Joubu Please note: Your loan renewal failed because of the following reason(s): You have renewed this item the maximum number of times allowed.  You have renewed this item the maximum number of times allowed. You have renewed this item the maximum number of times allowed.
17:52 Joubu ok ok ok, I think I understood!
17:52 drojf better read it again!
17:53 drojf does it display the message the number of times you renewed the item? :D
17:53 Joubu yes
17:53 Joubu no
17:53 tcohen drojf: is Sereal packaged?
17:54 tcohen *do you know if...*
17:54 drojf tcohen: encoder and decoder are
17:54 Joubu I have renewed 3 items
17:54 drojf not the wrapper thing
17:54 drojf Joubu: ah ok
17:54 drojf tcohen: the wrapper is in testing
17:55 drojf but we don't need it i thinl
17:55 drojf think
17:55 drojf tcohen: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=16715#c23
17:55 huginn Bug 16715: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Koha::Cache - Use Sereal for serialization
17:56 Joubu drojf: I'll try to provide a patch tomorrow
17:56 tcohen
17:56 drojf Joubu++
17:56 Joubu s/try to//
17:57 tcohen ah, right, thanks drojf!
17:57 Joubu did we remove the checkboxes on the checkouts table at the OPAC?
17:57 Joubu "Nothing has been selected. Check the box for each item you want to renew"
17:57 Joubu but where are the checkboxes!?
17:58 cait oh i have seen that
17:58 cait is there a renewable item?
17:59 Joubu no
17:59 cait i think than the issue is that you shoudn't see the rnew message at all
17:59 cait then
17:59 cait try if they appear if something can be renewed
18:01 Joubu indeed, I see them now
18:01 Joubu I expected the checkbox at the beginning of the line actually
18:02 cait ah yeah
18:02 cait my mistake too
18:02 cait i think i even filed a bug for it and oleonard retested it
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18:04 Joubu actually there is a bug, the "renew all" should not renew not renewable checkouts
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18:24 tcohen drojf: bug 16138
18:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16138 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Restart plack when rotating logfiles
18:24 tcohen no
18:24 tcohen wrong #
18:24 tcohen bug 16974
18:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions
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18:51 tcohen Joubu: around?
18:52 tcohen Joubu: i'm not able to reproduce on current master (kohadevbox) but I am able on 3.22
18:54 tcohen talking about 16886
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19:52 LibraryClaire evening #koha
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20:37 rangi good morning
20:37 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
20:37 rangi happy security day
20:37 rangi
20:37 rangi i think koha is safe but we should check
20:39 rangi Plugins potentially
20:42 rangi will file a bug and submit a patch
20:43 rangi @later tell drojf done
20:43 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:06 * cait waves
21:06 rangi done
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22:20 TGoat Hey #koha can anyone point me to a Koha accessibilty document besides the one in the wiki? Also, does Koha follow DOM? Thanks :)
22:24 cait are you sure you mean DOM?
22:24 cait the DOM i am thinking is probably not what you meant
22:24 TGoat I think so cait. It was a question that came from someone interested in Koha
22:25 TGoat Document Object Model
22:25 cait it's not a stanard or anything
22:25 TGoat so maybe they were just reaching
22:25 cait you can manipulate the DOM with something like jquery
22:26 cait[…]ment_Object_Model
22:27 rangi the web browser creates the DOM
22:27 rangi we don't write web browsers
22:27 TGoat cait I have a UNiversity that sent me a VPAT - Voluntary Product Accessibility Template and asked a few questions in a confcall. I'm responding but finding limited info on accessibilty. If you have anything it'll help
22:28 cait there is not much official
22:28 TGoat yeh, that's what I'm gathering
22:28 TGoat looks like it 3rd party SW like Jaws and what's built into the browser
22:28 cait ?
22:29 cait depending on the help you need there are different tools available like screen readers, braille lines
22:29 cait etc.
22:30 TGoat true, the OS utilities and 3rd party SW
22:30 cait but you don't need anything in koha to have it work with them
22:30 cait just following general rules and web stndards
22:30 TGoat right on.. thanks for the input cait greatly appreciated
22:30 cait well maybe a bit more
22:42 wizzyrea we have someone here at catalyst who has looked over the OPAC with a screen reader and found it not terrible to use.
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22:49 drojf rangi: thanks!
22:49 drojf good night everyone
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23:56 irma Pydio file sharing : questions and answers
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