Time Nick Message 23:56 irma https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TP3qJRACCPw8PW9EdzFDSGa4d5rQyYbjlyqLtrh52uM/edit#gid=0 23:56 irma Pydio file sharing : questions and answers 22:49 drojf good night everyone 22:49 drojf rangi: thanks! 22:42 wizzyrea we have someone here at catalyst who has looked over the OPAC with a screen reader and found it not terrible to use. 22:30 cait well maybe a bit more 22:30 TGoat right on.. thanks for the input cait greatly appreciated 22:30 cait just following general rules and web stndards 22:30 cait but you don't need anything in koha to have it work with them 22:30 TGoat true, the OS utilities and 3rd party SW 22:29 cait etc. 22:29 cait depending on the help you need there are different tools available like screen readers, braille lines 22:28 cait ? 22:28 TGoat looks like it 3rd party SW like Jaws and what's built into the browser 22:28 TGoat yeh, that's what I'm gathering 22:28 cait there is not much official 22:27 TGoat cait I have a UNiversity that sent me a VPAT - Voluntary Product Accessibility Template and asked a few questions in a confcall. I'm responding but finding limited info on accessibilty. If you have anything it'll help 22:27 rangi we don't write web browsers 22:27 rangi the web browser creates the DOM 22:26 cait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Object_Model 22:25 cait you can manipulate the DOM with something like jquery 22:25 TGoat so maybe they were just reaching 22:25 cait it's not a stanard or anything 22:25 TGoat Document Object Model 22:24 TGoat I think so cait. It was a question that came from someone interested in Koha 22:24 cait the DOM i am thinking is probably not what you meant 22:24 cait are you sure you mean DOM? 22:20 TGoat Hey #koha can anyone point me to a Koha accessibilty document besides the one in the wiki? Also, does Koha follow DOM? Thanks :) 21:06 rangi done 21:06 * cait waves 20:43 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 20:43 rangi @later tell drojf done 20:42 rangi will file a bug and submit a patch 20:39 rangi Plugins potentially 20:37 rangi i think koha is safe but we should check 20:37 rangi https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3628 20:37 rangi happy security day 20:37 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 20:37 rangi good morning 19:52 LibraryClaire evening #koha 18:54 tcohen talking about 16886 18:52 tcohen Joubu: i'm not able to reproduce on current master (kohadevbox) but I am able on 3.22 18:51 tcohen Joubu: around? 18:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions 18:24 tcohen bug 16974 18:24 tcohen wrong # 18:24 tcohen no 18:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16138 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Restart plack when rotating logfiles 18:24 tcohen drojf: bug 16138 18:04 Joubu actually there is a bug, the "renew all" should not renew not renewable checkouts 18:02 cait i think i even filed a bug for it and oleonard retested it 18:02 cait my mistake too 18:02 cait ah yeah 18:01 Joubu I expected the checkbox at the beginning of the line actually 18:01 Joubu indeed, I see them now 17:59 cait try if they appear if something can be renewed 17:59 cait then 17:59 cait i think than the issue is that you shoudn't see the rnew message at all 17:59 Joubu no 17:58 cait is there a renewable item? 17:58 cait oh i have seen that 17:57 Joubu but where are the checkboxes!? 17:57 Joubu "Nothing has been selected. Check the box for each item you want to renew" 17:57 Joubu did we remove the checkboxes on the checkouts table at the OPAC? 17:57 tcohen ah, right, thanks drojf! 17:56 Joubu s/try to// 17:56 drojf Joubu++ 17:56 tcohen https://snag.gy/o09wvm.jpg 17:56 Joubu drojf: I'll try to provide a patch tomorrow 17:55 huginn 04Bug 16715: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Koha::Cache - Use Sereal for serialization 17:55 drojf tcohen: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16715#c23 17:55 drojf think 17:55 drojf but we don't need it i thinl 17:54 drojf tcohen: the wrapper is in testing 17:54 drojf Joubu: ah ok 17:54 drojf not the wrapper thing 17:54 Joubu I have renewed 3 items 17:54 drojf tcohen: encoder and decoder are 17:54 tcohen *do you know if...* 17:53 tcohen drojf: is Sereal packaged? 17:53 Joubu no 17:53 Joubu yes 17:53 drojf does it display the message the number of times you renewed the item? :D 17:52 drojf better read it again! 17:52 Joubu ok ok ok, I think I understood! 17:52 Joubu Please note: Your loan renewal failed because of the following reason(s): You have renewed this item the maximum number of times allowed. You have renewed this item the maximum number of times allowed. You have renewed this item the maximum number of times allowed. 17:16 DCS Anyhow, thanks so much for getting me pointed in the right direction. I'm sure if I had a bit better unix-fu I would have been able to force koha-restore to do what I wanted, but overall this seems to have worked for my needs. 17:15 DCS Then, I updated the mysql password and the matching koha config file password. I'm sure I may be missing one or two other configuration tweaks that I'll have to adjust, but at least I'm running again with zebra functional. 17:14 DCS Hey folks - just checking back with the resolution. Thanks to mtj, I narrowed down my issue to a conf file problem. Rather than trying to track down all the different files that were wrong (there were several, between koha and zebra), I reverted back to the stock debian+koha before adding any libraries. Then, I created a new library and only copied over the database directly into sql, without using koha-restore. 17:02 * mveron heads to dinner 16:35 * drojf heads home 16:06 Joubu forget my question, misread 16:05 Joubu t/db_dependent/api/v1/patrons.t .. Can't open file "definitions/index.json": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Swagger2.pm line 363. 16:04 Joubu looking at git diff, the file has not changed since it's pushed 16:04 lari Joubu: can u run patrons.t and see if it also happens for you? 16:04 Joubu lari: master does not have the problem, sure? 16:03 Joubu lari: please open a bug report, and link it to the original one 16:01 lari seems that if the test does authentication ($t->request_ok($tx) with CGISESSID set), $dbh->rollback is ineffective. 16:01 lari jajm: i'm having trouble with patron REST tests (t/db_dependent/api/v1/patrons.t) not cleaning borrowers table after testing in master. holds.t does not have same problem 15:56 Joubu tcohen: looks ok for me (memcached+3.22), but I do not get the wide char warning 15:50 Joubu =mysql 15:50 Joubu heh, I use sessionStorage as well 15:50 tcohen I guess most levae the sessionStorage syspref as default 15:49 tcohen Joubu: I know 15:47 Joubu Someone else would have noticed it 15:46 tcohen my fear is that the caching changes cherry-picked for 3.22 broke memcached usage in Context.pm 15:46 tcohen but only 120kb are used 15:46 tcohen 512 MB 15:46 tcohen yes 15:44 Joubu did you try to extend the memcached memory allocated? 15:44 tcohen nope 15:43 Joubu tcohen: it did not work by just restarting memcached+plack? 15:43 Joubu weird 15:42 tcohen and no more users kicked out 15:42 tcohen Joubu: i moved session storage to mysql, restarted memcached, and plack 15:25 LibraryClaire laters #koha 15:24 tcohen Joubu: sounds correct 15:22 Joubu I guess it's because it has not been correctly init 15:22 tcohen it is supposed to be using Memcached for storing sessions 15:22 tcohen [Mon Jul 25 12:20:29 2016] starman: Wide character in print at /usr/share/perl5/CGI/Session/Driver/file.pm line 118. 15:21 tcohen Joubu: this is interesting 15:19 morgane bye ! 15:16 tcohen i'm dealing with users being kicked out now 15:16 tcohen Joubu: not yet 15:15 Joubu tcohen: did you open a bug? 15:14 tcohen well, maybe similar on upload.pl 15:13 Joubu no 15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16886 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , 'Upload patron images' tool is not plack safe 15:13 Joubu tcohen: bug 16886? 15:10 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:10 tcohen @later tell marcelr users are reporting (and I confirmed in 2 instances) that cover image upload is not working under plack 15:08 huginn tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <marcelr> drojf: make them send wine and sweets to qa too, and you have a new coding guideline 15:08 tcohen @seen marcelr 14:55 tcohen Wide character in print at /usr/share/perl5/CGI/Session/Driver/file.pm line 118. 14:27 * tcohen is grabbing memcache-top 14:27 Joubu tcohen: I guess you already tried to restart it 14:26 Joubu but I have really no idea what the size of stuffs we cache 14:26 Joubu since we caching more and more stuffs (and big) in it, maybe 14:26 Joubu the default value is something like 64mo I think 14:25 Joubu outch 14:25 tcohen is it possible that memcache's memory is completely filled? 14:25 wahanui it has been said that ah is ? 14:25 Joubu ah? 14:25 tcohen ah 14:24 tcohen 3.20 -> 3.22 14:24 tcohen (before deleting the browser¿s cache it was all broken of course) 14:24 wahanui well, same code is still in master 14:24 Joubu same code? 14:24 tcohen sessions deleted 14:24 tcohen to a new server 14:24 tcohen after an upgrade 14:23 tcohen every two or three clicks 14:23 Joubu (:d) 14:23 Joubu define too frecquently 14:16 tcohen too frecquently 14:15 drojf define weird 14:11 tcohen is anyone having weird logouts every time on 3.22? 14:01 tcohen hey LibraryClaire nengard 14:00 LibraryClaire hi tcohen 13:57 nengard hola! 13:57 tcohen hola #koha 13:41 mveron :-) 13:41 mveron Jobou: not always... 13:41 Joubu khall: could you have a look please? 13:40 Joubu mveron: it was not you :) 13:40 mveron Joubu: You were faster ... 13:40 Joubu was hard to find! 13:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16942 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Confirm hold results in ugly error 13:40 Joubu mveron: bug 16942 13:40 Joubu mveron: bug16942 13:33 vfernandes phpCAS has also a method to handle CAS logout requests - phpCAS::handleLogoutRequests(); 13:32 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 13:32 eythian @later tell rangi actually, make that keyword "breathesfine" 13:32 vfernandes that method should be called in every PHP file to check if the ticket is still valid 13:31 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 13:31 drojf @later tell rangi can we have a BZ keyword 'nowheezy' to mark patches that won't work there? 13:31 vfernandes https://wiki.jasig.org/display/CASC/phpCAS+examples 13:31 vfernandes phpCAS client has something called forceAuthentication 13:31 drojf cait: ok 13:31 mveron hi drojf 13:31 fridolin vfernandes: yep indeed, open a bug 13:31 drojf hi mveron 13:31 matts vfernandes, yes, I think you should! 13:31 mveron Joubu: I will dig in my bugs.. 13:30 cait drojf: i think only rangi can do that- I am lacking permissions 13:30 Joubu it happens when I confirm a hold on checkin 13:30 Joubu I don't find the bug number! 13:30 Joubu mveron: did not you fix something like "Fatal: unexpected operator 'cancellationdate' with undef operand" 13:29 mveron Hi Joubu 13:29 Joubu mveron: ha, good timing :) 13:29 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 26.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 13:29 mveron @wunder Allschwil 13:29 vfernandes thanks fridolin... matts: maybe I should fill a bug for that 13:29 mveron Hi #koha 13:26 drojf cait: i'd like to have something like "nowheezy" to mark things that won't work 13:26 drojf cait: how do you add a keyword to the list? 13:21 matts vfernandes, seems like a bug to me. 13:20 fridolin matts: is the CAS expert ^ 13:19 fridolin vfernandes: mmm this is too much for me, i'd say its normal but i'm not sure 13:11 vfernandes that session cookie isn't removed when logging out from CAS in other application 13:10 vfernandes Koha always uses that session cookie to check if the user is authorized to access some script 13:09 vfernandes checking the Koha code, when I enter Koha with CAS a session cookie is created 13:08 vfernandes *active 13:08 vfernandes but the Koha session is still ative 13:08 vfernandes when I logout on the other application than Koha, I'm logging out of CAS 13:07 fridolin vfernandes: yep its the purpose of a CAS ;) 13:07 vfernandes fridolin: i have two applications using the same CAS server 12:55 cait and we can try to add you on new ones as they appear 12:55 cait you might want to put yourself cc on those in batch maybe 12:54 drojf cait++ 12:54 cait sorry for that :) 12:54 drojf oh cool, i did not know 12:54 cait i always mark everything i find with that that adds new dependencies 12:53 cait drojf: make a saved search for keyword dependency too 12:50 drojf marcelr: deal! 12:50 marcelr drojf: make them send wine and sweets to qa too, and you have a new coding guideline 12:48 drojf oleonard: a manual way could be that devs looks if stuff they use is available, and mention if it's not. and then send me wine or sweets and add me to the bug 12:45 drojf oleonard: yes that would be a very good idea 12:45 marcelr again 12:45 marcelr oleonard: it happens every now and then agian 12:45 eythian marcelr: that'd be a fun option :) 12:45 drojf because otherwise i won't :P 12:45 oleonard Should we not have a procedure for making packages available *before* the patch gets pushed to master? 12:45 eythian I saw one in my bedroom the other day, it doesn't seem to be a very good hunter though. 12:45 drojf don't get a spider before i visit 12:44 marcelr eythian: klamboe ? 12:44 drojf it will either hunt the mosquitos or provide comfort when you've been bitten 12:44 LibraryClaire eythian: get a spider 12:43 eythian drojf: how does a cat help? 12:43 marcelr drojf: you could send that reminder again on the ml (and have qaers help you too :) 12:43 drojf eythian: get a cat 12:43 eythian everywhere has sold out of plug-in insect repellents. This is a problem, as mosquitos have discovered where I live. 12:42 drojf oleonard: i can look into backporting later. in general it would not hurt if people mentioned that is necessary when they add stuff. i don't have much bug tracker time at the moment so i won't just find it all by accident 12:42 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 23.0°C (1:20 PM BST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 12:42 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 12:42 cait feels warmer 12:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 26.7°C (2:41 PM CEST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 12:42 cait @wunder Konstanz 12:39 marcelr oleonard: cpanm ? 12:39 oleonard What is the recommended method for getting libsereal-perl? Staff client is broken in master without it. 12:39 * LibraryClaire waves 12:38 marcelr hi nengard 12:34 nengard morning all 12:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Koha::Cache - Use Sereal for serialization 12:33 wahanui it has been said that Bug 16715 is passed qa 12:33 oleonard Bug 16715 12:32 drojf oleonard: bug nr? 12:32 marcelr hi cait 12:32 cait hi drojf 12:32 wahanui i think oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 12:32 drojf and oleonard 12:32 drojf hi cait 12:32 cait ah... scrolling broken, that was actually for marcelr's and Joubu's discussion... 12:32 drojf it's in testing 12:32 cait the dadditional patch? 12:32 cait does it backport? 12:31 oleonard No package for libsereal-perl? 12:25 * LibraryClaire waves back 12:24 * cait waves 11:55 LibraryClaire hi oleonard 11:52 oleonard Hi #koha 11:48 LibraryClaire hi drojf 11:48 fridolin vfernandes: hie, what do you mean by 'force authentication' ? if cas is on, a user can still use auth form 11:46 drojf hi LibraryClaire :) 11:45 LibraryClaire afternoon #koha 10:59 vfernandes Koha uses CAS authentication without force authentication right? 10:59 vfernandes hi #koha 10:36 Joubu thx 10:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16971 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Missing dependency for HTML::Entities 10:36 marcelr bug 16971 10:36 Joubu marcelr: If you don't think it's useful, let it there. I just try to avoid future problems 10:33 marcelr Joubu: since you keep insisting, i will move it away :) 10:33 drojf we have all the summer here atm 10:32 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 19.7°C (12:31 PM CEST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 10:32 eythian @wunder ams 10:32 eythian today is very grey. Yesterday I actually got a little bit sunburnt. So, I make no promises :) 10:32 Joubu marcelr: I just think it's 2 different things: 1 is a security fix, the other one is a missing deps 10:32 drojf i hear it's a nice city 10:31 drojf eythian: i definitely want to do that 10:31 wahanui https://i.imgur.com/sguSwlh.jpg 10:31 marcelr What is the problem? 10:31 liw [off?] I visited the University of Helsinki main library today. It is quite pretty inside. If any of you visit Helsinki ever, you should look in there. 10:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16878 is not accessible. 10:31 Joubu Hi marcelr! Could you please detail why you do not want to move the last patch of bug 16878 to its own bug report? 10:31 eythian drojf: he sounds like a bit of a jerk really :) surely you need a trip to Amsterdam at some stage? 10:30 drojf which is a good thing, altogether ;) 10:30 drojf eythian: he said i have to work all summer 10:30 marcelr yes Joubu 10:30 Joubu marcelr: around? 10:27 eythian you should talk to your boss 10:23 * drojf wants holiday 10:23 drojf holiday times around here? 10:22 eythian g'day 10:22 drojf hi eythian 10:16 eythian you would say that 10:09 drojf hello again 08:45 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 26.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on July 25, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 08:45 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:38 drojf morning #koha 08:21 wahanui hey, eythian 08:21 eythian hi 08:07 DCS hmm... well, I've moved on to new errors... I'll poke around a bit more, but at least I have some motion forward.... I have 36 records exported, but still not getting anything through opac.... having a bit of trouble connecting with yaz to confirm - can't seem to find the right socket or maybe something is still missing or wrong in a config file. getting a bit late at night though, so I'll have to tackle it again in the morning. Thank 07:50 morgane hi mtj :) 07:43 gaetan_B hello 07:43 fridolin hie mtj 07:41 mtj http://manual.koha-community.org/3.22/en/administration.html#CircControl 07:41 mtj tee, ' CircControl' syspref looks important too 07:39 marcelr hi mtj 07:39 * mtj waves to fridolin, morgane, marcelr :) 07:38 marcelr hi #koha 07:38 mtj ..and a --log arg too, those should be helpful 07:37 mtj you can run the fines script with a --verbose arg 07:37 tee done tht too 07:37 mtj http://manual.koha-community.org/3.22/en/administration.html#finesMode 07:36 mtj ..try 'Calculate' , or 'Calculate and charge' 07:34 mtj aah. the 'finesMode' syspref.. 07:33 tee k 07:33 mtj its been some time since i debugged a fines problem - sorry 07:32 mtj ..run the script, then check accountlines table again 07:32 tee from mysql is it 07:31 mtj perhaps delete your accountlines table, on your test system? 07:31 tee that is to zero only 07:31 mtj set your return date to 1 year ago 07:30 mtj set yout grace period to 0 days tee 07:30 morgane hi ! 07:29 tee is there any way i can find out the issue 07:29 mtj hmm, you have some bug with your config, i think 07:26 tee then wht should i check 07:26 mtj looks ok tee ^ 07:26 tee Jul 25 02:55:17 deepali sudo: root : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/ ; USER=library-koha ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl 07:25 tee my auth.log says 07:25 tee on both same issue 07:25 fridolin hie 07:25 tee i tried that as well 07:25 mtj btw, i suggest you use a non-production koha instance to test fines 07:25 tee yes 07:24 mtj are you sure you have a fine set for that itemtype? 07:23 tee but fines is shown as 0.00 07:23 tee it is showing overdue items 07:22 mtj ..then you need to check your circ rules to make sure your item(s) is overdue, as expected 07:21 mtj tee, you can confirm that your fines script is running daily by checking /var/log/auth.log* files 07:02 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 07:02 alex_a bonjour 06:52 tee yes 06:52 mtj tee, did you install koha using the debian packages? 06:51 mtj DCS: i think your old 3.16 koha-conf.xml file is missing some newer stuff 06:48 mtj ..if you compare/diff that new koha dir to your existing upgraded dir, you will spot some small differences 06:46 mtj DCS: what i would do is create a new koha instance, and load your db dump into that 06:45 huginn 04Bug 13396: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, koha-rebuild-zebra: Couldn't open collection.abs error after 3.18 package update 06:45 mtj DCS: -> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13396 06:44 DCS FYI, mtj (or whoever is reading), I tried a quick test of downgrading to 3.22 and that didn't seem to fix things, at least not that I could see. 06:33 tee but no idea why is it nt working 06:33 tee even ran fines.pl script manually 06:33 tee all those things are done 06:32 DCS hey tee - would love to help, but I'm no expert. Did you try the usual google searches first? I turned up this parameter you might want to check on: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-March/017456.html 06:28 DCS I suppose I could either try finding 3.16 to install on the new server or upgrade the old one prior to migration, if you think that might be the issue.... 06:28 DCS I just double checked - looks like my old server was at 3.16, and the new one is running 16.05... so something in there may not have migrated well 06:25 DCS I'm basically trying to get pointed in the right direction - I've tried a full server reinstall from the ground up, which duplicated the problem. I'm guessing it is something in the migration I am trying to do, but I'm not sure how to troubleshoot 06:23 pastebot "DCS" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Zebra Issue" (98 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/42 06:19 tee can someone help 06:19 tee tried to upgrade to 3.22.8 but no luck 06:18 tee my overdue fines is not calculated at all 06:18 tee i need help on fine 06:11 DCS I can paste in some details... give me a sec and I'll use the paste.koha-c... link, if I can get that to work 06:10 DCS yes, I did 06:04 mtj hi DCS, did you install koha using the debian packages? 05:54 * Oak waves 05:21 DCS I don't suppose you'd happen to know anything about fixing zebra indexing? I've been hitting a wall and figured I'd stop in here for advice on which way to go. :) 05:20 cait hi DCS 05:20 DCS Hi cait 05:16 DCS Anyone around help point a poor lost sheep in the right direction on fixing my Zebra? :) 05:16 DCS Hello all.