IRC log for #koha, 2016-06-09

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01:04 Francesca hey
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06:27 drojf mrng
06:28 LibraryClaire Morning
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06:48 reiveune hello
06:53 matts hi #koha !
06:54 drojf bonjour matts
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07:03 alex_a bonjour
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07:18 marcelr hi #koha
07:19 LibraryClaire Hi marcelr
07:19 marcelr :)
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07:29 drojf hi marcelr
07:29 marcelr hello drojf
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07:59 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
07:59 huginn` LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 12.0°C (8:50 AM BST on June 09, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:59 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:59 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 18.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on June 09, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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08:41 magnuse @wunder boo
08:41 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on June 09, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:41 magnuse hm, seems we're stuck
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09:52 gerundio hi, good morning
09:52 gerundio I've been using Koha for some years now
09:52 gerundio I was asked to perform an upgrade to 3.22.7... just to find out that the next day version 16.05 was released
09:53 cait gerundio: it's just come out - i'd wait a bit
09:53 gerundio is there a safe upgrade path to this new version from 3.2x family?
09:53 cait 3.22.x latest sounds sensible
09:53 cait yes of course, we only changed the version naming
09:53 gerundio I couldn't find any information about that version naming
09:53 cait it's now year.month - but it would have been just a 3.24 otherwise
09:54 gerundio ok, thanks
09:54 gerundio cait++
09:54 cait but be careful - known problems with newer mysql versions etc
09:54 gerundio ok
09:54 cait so maybe wait a bit longer or use the latest 3.22
09:54 gerundio I'll stick to 3.22.7 for now :)
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10:01 cait hi irma!
10:04 eythian someone ought to write ablog post about the version change
10:05 * cait doesn't have a blog
10:05 drojf koha does
10:06 drojf you just need to write te article :P
10:06 drojf the
10:07 drojf did "use biblio number as control number" ever become a real thing or is it still just a hack somebody used?
10:17 cait hack
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10:26 Nikesh Hi .... I am from Khalifa Univesity Abu Dhabi.
10:27 Nikesh We are in the process of implementing KOHA. I finished with installing and also uploaded MARC records. When I do a title searching , words from series are also appearing. Is there any way to restrict the search to title only by excluding words from series field
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11:17 magnuse drojf: bug 9921
11:17 wahanui somebody said bug 9921 was about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber
11:17 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo.lopez, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber
11:18 * magnuse tries to tackle bug 16694
11:18 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16694 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Limit SIP2 auth by patron attribute
11:18 drojf magnuse: thanks
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11:27 jzairo morning khall
11:27 khall mornin!
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11:27 vfernandes hi :)
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11:29 vfernandes one quick question: it's possible to create a default po file with some translations and apply them to a specific tt file?
11:33 Marianne Hi! Does anyone know if its possible to set a maximum loantime including renewal. We would like to say that you can renew x times but not for longer than a total time of 84 days. One ordinary loanperiod before renewal is set to 28 days.
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11:54 magnuse Marianne: i don't that is possible. you'd have to set a max number of renewals and a renewal length that adds up to your total
11:54 magnuse so they get 84 if they wait as long as possible before renewing
12:00 bgkriegel_ vfernandes: yes, it's possible
12:01 bgkriegel_ vfernandes: you need to create the po file, specific for that file
12:02 bgkriegel_ vfernandes: perl create -i ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/modules/ -f -s specific.po
12:02 bgkriegel_ that for, just an example
12:03 bgkriegel_ to apply it you can run: perl install -i ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/modules/ -o ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/xx-YY/modules/ -f -s specific.po
12:03 bgkriegel_ destination dir must exist
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12:08 * asgeirr slaps Marianne around a bit with a large fishbot
12:11 eythian went for Greek for lunch. They'd run out of gyro and tzatziki. Went for burgers instead.
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12:24 cait eythian: so sad
12:24 kidclamp morning
12:25 * magnuse waves at the ghost of asgeirr
12:27 drojf now i'm hungry :/
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12:38 fridolin whouuu, translation was breaking some datatables in fr-FR
12:38 fridolin most of the JS code is in PO and must be unchanged
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12:45 tcohen morning
12:49 kidclamp morning tcohen
12:49 tcohen hey kidclamp
12:49 wahanui well, kidclamp is going to talk to the sponsors and see what they think
12:50 kidclamp wahanui forget kidclamp
12:50 wahanui kidclamp: I forgot kidclamp
12:58 drojf anyone using sip2 with tls?
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13:06 Marianne Thank you for your answers magnuse and vfernandes
13:07 vfernandes bgkriegel_++
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13:25 eythian drojf: catalyst had it with stunnel (we refused to let it go via the internet otherwise.)
13:25 magnuse drojf: tls?
13:25 eythian Transport Layer Security
13:25 eythian Often slightly wrongly called SSL
13:25 magnuse why can't i get a patron attribute to show up in 3.22.7?
13:25 magnuse eythian: gotcha!
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13:28 magnuse because the patronn attribute wasn't saved in the first place...
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13:59 mveron Hi #koha
14:00 drojf hi mveron
14:01 mveron Fridolin: Regarding the French translation, I just filtered for printf() checks in Pootle, there are 47 fatal errors with missing / wrong %s
14:02 mveron Hi drojf :-)
14:02 * LibraryClaire waves
14:02 fridolin ich yes, we have to work on it
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14:23 barton Out of curiosity, what does C4::Biblio::RemoveAllNsb do? The perldoc says "Removes all nsb/nse chars from a record", but I don't know what those are.
14:24 cait i think non-filling stuff for unimarc
14:24 cait using characters for that instead of indicators
14:25 barton thanks cait!
14:28 barton dani says nsb is 'non-sorting begin' and thinks that nse is 'non-sorting end'.
14:28 cait yep
14:28 cait they sourround the words not to be sorted i think
14:28 barton Ahhhh.
14:29 barton did you catch that, huginn`?
14:29 barton what is nsb
14:29 cait barton finding some examples with nsb nse unimarc
14:29 barton nerp.
14:29 barton cait: I'm not sure I'm *that* curious. ;-)
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14:30 cait heh
14:30 cait hi paul_p
14:30 barton ... I was just looking at the arguments to tools/
14:30 paul_p hi cait.
14:30 cait how is copenhagen? :)
14:30 paul_p ELAG2016 is over !
14:30 cait ohno
14:31 cait I saw your dinner picture with casper - what did he feed you there?
14:31 paul_p copenhagen is ... expensive... much much quiet than thessaloniki ... I won't compare the danish food to the greek food...
14:31 cait heh
14:32 paul_p cait it was skipper lobscouse. Something with veal meat & potatoes.
14:32 cait doesn't sound too bad
14:32 paul_p not bad. Just heavy food, not very tasty
14:38 LibraryClaire the tweets I saw from the conference looked interesting
14:42 cait yeah they did
14:43 bag morning
14:44 LibraryClaire hi bag
14:44 bag heya LibraryClaire
14:44 wahanui i think LibraryClaire is the monster under my bed
14:45 LibraryClaire hah
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16:00 LibraryClaire laters #koha
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16:07 rocks Hi folks, I just tried to install Koha on Ubuntu using Virtual Box and got this error message during the web-install https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]multiple&id=16664
16:07 rocks Any tips?
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17:10 pianohacker eythian: how hard would it be to search an arbitrary MARC field in the indexed record in ES?
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18:47 magnuse pianohacker: good qustion. koha used to have that, i think
18:54 pianohacker @later tell eythian how hard would it be to search an arbitrary MARC field in the indexed record in ES?
18:54 huginn` pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
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20:24 eythian pianohacker: good question. I don't think you can the way I set it up (aside from forming an index from it.)
20:25 eythian I'm pretty sure that the record stuff isn't indexed.
20:25 eythian But it might be possible to index it so that an explicit search will find it, I'm not sure.
20:26 eythian Also, it's not stored in a search friendly form, you'd want to restructure it so it's searchable.
20:27 pianohacker eythian:[…]nested-query.html ?
20:30 eythian Yeah, but I'm not sure if you need the field to be indexed for that to work, and it's probable indexes are turned off for record.
20:30 eythian However searching record is a bad idea anyway.
20:31 eythian Because it's MARCJSON which is not a well structured form
20:31 pianohacker eythian: I agree with you
20:32 eythian If you made another subfield that was say fields->tag->subfield structured, then yeah that'd work.
20:33 eythian (I'm using subfield with two different definitions there.)
20:33 pianohacker oh, yeah, true, making something search the field-as-array structure of MARCJSON could be... tricky
20:33 eythian Yep
20:33 eythian Worthwhile if there's a good use case, definitely.
20:33 pianohacker there... might be. maybe :)
20:33 eythian Would cost a fair bit more in storage I think.
20:34 pianohacker that's what I was just thinking about
20:34 pianohacker big-ass record with a million items...
20:34 eythian (but that might be OK, especially if it were optional which it could be.)
20:35 pianohacker this has different, less terrifying tradeoffs as compared to the other option (ExtractValue-based MySQL searching)
20:35 bag scary
20:35 eythian Yeah for sure
20:36 eythian You'd want to think about your tokenisation 🙂
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21:17 LibraryClaire hi #koha
21:18 bag hiya
21:19 LibraryClaire :)
21:27 kidclamp jajm could 16504 get added for 3.22?
21:28 bag kind of late kidclamp
21:28 bag I think it’s almost 1030pm there
21:28 kidclamp ah
21:28 kidclamp I am terrible at time zones
21:28 bag talljoy already called that title
21:28 kidclamp @later tell jajm could 16504 get added for 3.22?
21:28 huginn` kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
21:29 talljoy kidclamp you can't claim that
21:29 talljoy bag is right, that is my title
21:29 talljoy nengard has 'bad at math'
21:29 talljoy i have 'bad at timezones'
21:29 kidclamp I woke up at 3am to do something someone in CA asked me to do at 6am their time
21:29 kidclamp I went back to bed very grumpy
21:29 talljoy HA
21:29 bag HA
21:30 kidclamp The only way they make sense to me is when I stop and picture the earth rotating from space, then I can kind of get it right
21:30 pianohacker kidclamp: UTC, man :)
21:30 talljoy those are not freedom hours pianohacker
21:31 pianohacker I'm UTC-6, jajm is UTC+2
21:31 pianohacker talljoy: hmm, but where's the freedom meridian?
21:31 pianohacker DC?
21:31 talljoy HA
21:31 eythian Statistically, through New Zealand
21:32 pianohacker stay out of this, metric-user
21:32 talljoy lol
21:32 pianohacker you probably measure timezones in KILOMETERS
21:32 talljoy sick
21:32 eythian Although sometimes it gets switched with Scandinavia for a bit
21:32 pianohacker we measure our freedom in HOGSHEADS
21:32 talljoy and BUSHELS and PECKS
21:32 * talljoy imagines a hogshead unit.....
21:34 eythian It's a thing.
21:34 eythian Because non metric is weird and bizarre
21:35 eythian Only used by crazy people, Liberia, and Myanmar
21:35 talljoy but free
21:35 talljoy heh
21:35 talljoy except not free ironically
21:35 talljoy wait...
21:36 pianohacker so free it uses whatever base it wants
21:36 pianohacker base-12, base-10, base-1760
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21:37 kidclamp everyone should have their utc listed on the wiki :b
21:38 LibraryClaire I don't know what mine is half the time
21:38 kidclamp and also talljoy, don't we all want to be like you?
21:38 talljoy indeed you should.
21:38 talljoy kidclamp++
21:39 talljoy kidclamp knows how to butter up his coworkers.  nicely done
21:39 eythian There's only one utc, that's the point.
21:39 eythian LibraryClaire: droll :-)
21:39 kidclamp their relative adjustment to utc
21:41 LibraryClaire ;)
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22:47 LibraryClaire g'night #koha
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