IRC log for #koha, 2016-06-10

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05:50 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha
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06:01 cait1 morning mveron and LibraryClaire :)
06:02 mveron Guten Morgen / Bonjour :-)
06:05 LibraryClaire1 Hi cait :)
06:05 LibraryClaire1 Hm, imposter me
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06:08 marcelr hi #koha
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06:09 marcelr hi LibraryClaire
06:10 mveron Daag marcelr
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06:33 cait1 hi marcelr :)
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06:33 cait1 hm seems i am doubled up too
06:38 LibraryClaire Hehe
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06:51 alex_a bonjour
06:55 * magnuse waves
06:56 magnuse ...then sets off to tackle bug 16694 again, after a false start
06:56 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16694 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Limit SIP2 auth by patron attribute
07:02 jajm morning #koha
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07:02 reiveune hello
07:06 * LibraryClaire waves
07:09 jajm @later tell kidclamp 16504 will be pushed into 3.22.x as soon as it is in 16.05.x
07:09 huginn` jajm: The operation succeeded.
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07:18 magnuse bug 16504
07:18 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16504 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , All borrower attribute values for a given code deleted if that attribute has branch limits
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07:42 gaetan_B hello
07:42 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B
07:42 LibraryClaire hi gaetan_B
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08:19 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:19 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 15.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on June 10, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
08:20 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
08:20 huginn` LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 16.0°C (8:50 AM BST on June 10, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:20 magnuse @wunder boo
08:20 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on June 10, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:20 magnuse ah, double digits!
08:20 LibraryClaire woo!
08:20 magnuse and not a cloud in sight, akshuly
08:23 LibraryClaire everything is grey
08:24 drojf that is what "clear" means in the uk?
08:27 LibraryClaire heh, apparently
08:28 LibraryClaire the sky is white
08:29 magnuse smog
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08:40 LibraryClaire summer
08:41 eythian @wunder ams
08:41 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 17.5°C (10:32 AM CEST on June 10, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
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10:34 drojf the constant brokenness of letsencrypt packages is very annoying
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10:42 magnuse drojf: ouch?
10:42 wahanui
10:44 drojf magnuse: 0.5.something a while ago: missing dependencies, but at least they were available. 0.8.something now: missing dependency, not available in jessie or backport. 0.5.something: package letsencrypt still in the repo, dependency python-letsencrypt does not exist anymore
10:44 magnuse :-(
10:45 magnuse and gitify does not actually gitify the SIP2 related stuffs
10:56 drojf ouch
11:07 drojf plack does not work either
11:08 drojf great day
11:08 drojf maybe i go to bed
11:10 cait sleep sounds good
11:10 LibraryClaire agree
11:11 cait @wunder Konstanz
11:11 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 21.2°C (1:11 PM CEST on June 10, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
11:11 cait blue sky no clouds here
11:11 LibraryClaire only clouds here
11:11 cait well a few white and fluffy ones... not sure I'd say partly cloudy
11:19 druthb cait!
11:21 drojf ah found it
11:21 druthb drojf!
11:21 drojf druthb!
11:29 drojf bug 15695
11:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15695 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-plack script breaks installations set up before 3.22
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11:38 eythian
11:39 eythian drojf: require certbot from jessie-backports as the only supported option?
11:40 drojf eythian: hm?
11:40 drojf certbot in backports is broken
11:40 eythian ah
11:40 eythian worked for me recently
11:40 drojf yeah
11:40 drojf it does sometimes haha
11:40 drojf now it has a dependency that is not available
11:41 drojf you will probably have it break with renew
11:41 drojf in your version
11:41 eythian goody
11:41 drojf that was the problem before afaics
11:42 drojf eythian: you will get[…]rt.cgi?bug=826753
11:42 drojf i have[…]rt.cgi?bug=826939
11:43 drojf certbot still uses /etc/letsencrypt. it's all a bit messy
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11:46 drojf python-psutil from stretch works, maybe we should have that in the koha repo if they don't manage to get it in backports soon
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12:05 magnuse @wunder boo
12:05 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 12.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on June 10, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
12:06 druthb @wunder 77098
12:06 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 24.4°C (7:06 AM CDT on June 10, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
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12:22 cait druthb!
12:22 druthb :)
12:22 magnuse cait!
12:25 nengard @wunder 78754
12:25 huginn` nengard: The current temperature in North Acres, Austin, Texas is 20.1°C (7:15 AM CDT on June 10, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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13:11 * magnuse calls it a week - have fun #koha!
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13:19 Joubu eythian: yop! Any ideas why I get a timeout on the auth index but on the bib index?
13:19 Joubu eythian: a bit of context maybe :) I am trying to fix the ES auth reindexing
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13:20 Joubu [Timeout] ** [http://localhost:9200]-[599] Timed out while waiting for socket to become ready for reading
13:22 Joubu hum, I have deleted the index and it seems to work
13:22 eythian no idea.
13:23 eythian something strange with your ES is my only guess
13:23 kidclamp morning
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13:59 kidclamp @later tell fredericd can you look at 16504 for 16.05.x?
13:59 huginn` kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
14:00 kidclamp thanks jajm
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14:53 drojf this looks like fun
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15:20 reiveune bye
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15:38 Joubu @later tell tcohen "Project Koha_Master_D7           This project is currently disabled" hum??
15:38 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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15:45 Joubu @later tell rangi where is the code of koha-dashboard hosted?? I wanted to update the link of the master build status (use D8 instead of D7) but cannot find the repo
15:45 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:46 pianohacker Joubu: put the sereal patch on bug 16166
15:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16166 enhancement, P2, ---, abl, Needs Signoff , Improve L1 cache performance and safety
15:48 Joubu pianohacker: Maybe better to open a new bug report, don't you think?
15:48 pianohacker Joubu: possibly. Builds on the work on 16166, though
15:49 pianohacker mainly put it there so you'd have something to test
15:50 Joubu do you recreate the time load diff?
15:50 Joubu because I'm pretty much sure it's exactly what I tried
15:51 Joubu ha, maybe I didn't declare the encoder and decoder as package var
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15:52 pianohacker Joubu: keeping the encoders and decoders around saves a lot of time
15:58 Joubu pianohacker: I just notice a small 0.1s :-(
15:58 pianohacker Joubu: on what?
16:00 Joubu pianohacker: 16166 and 16166 - your patch
16:00 pianohacker what scenario are you testing?
16:00 Joubu far from the 2-3sec we got last week
16:00 Joubu intranet search, 20 results with xslt
16:01 pianohacker hmmmm... I wonder if the benefit changes with more search results per page
16:01 pianohacker try 50
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16:17 Joubu @later tell pianohacker I do not see any significant diff with master, 16166 with and without last patches, for a search displaying 100 results. Always between 13s and 13.5s
16:17 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:17 Joubu ^patches^patch^
16:19 kidclamp_lunch Joubu, I think I should have put more context, in that last test the barcode you insert is form the variable $another_barcode, si even if the db were updated (which it isn't) it wouldn't match $a_barcode :-)
16:23 Joubu it matches $a_barcode
16:24 Joubu kidclamp_lunch: I insert $another_barcode and I test that it is equal to the original value ($barcode)
16:24 Joubu If the field was linked, it would have been updated to $another_barcode
16:27 Joubu kidclamp_lunch: I have to go, hope it makes sense :
16:27 Joubu :)
16:27 Joubu bye #koha
16:27 kidclamp_lunch ah, d'oh
16:27 kidclamp_lunch yeah i get it
16:27 kidclamp_lunch Joubu++
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16:43 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16441: Fix Letters.t <[…]845854514f6fea5b0> / Bug 16441: Do not use a package variable to cache C4::Letters::getletter <[…]c16dad5cef3dbe0ac> / Bug 16678: DB upgrade crashes if subscription_numberpat... <http://git.koha-comm
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16:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16596: Display library and patron category descriptions instead of their code <[…]32bd8967478c940e5> / Bug 16578: Same fix for the staff interface <[…]df0c8f52def3daf58> / Bug 16578: Fix wide character errors in <http://git.koha-community.
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17:01 drojf @later tell bag there are a few small PQA patches needed to build master packages. could you push 16618, 16647, 16649, 16668 and 16675 please?
17:02 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
17:02 bag khall ^^^^
17:02 khall can do!
17:02 drojf cool
17:02 bag thanks drojf - khall is the man today and it’s his birthday
17:02 drojf oh! happy birthday khall!
17:03 khall thanks!
17:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16668: Fix t/Ris.t tests <[…]1c49b80cfc20e58dd> / Bug 16618: 00-load.t prematurely stops all testing <[…]0b4fc4474c54503bc>
17:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16695: Require Exception::Class 1.38 instead of 1.39 <[…]6001a823fdcbb8101> / Bug 16647: update debian/control for 16.* <[…]e64684c5c5a0ed781> / Bug 16649: Make OpenLibrarySearch test pass even if launches offline <
17:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10459 - DBRev <[…]24c7d6e5362351cb2> / Bug 10459: Add tests for borrowers.updated_on <[…]ae93aca124c8efa89> / Bug 10459 renamed timestamp to updated_on <[…]8b994f2631d798214
17:30 drojf alright, master packages build again, thanks khall
17:31 khall np!
17:31 bag yay!
17:33 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16492: Add a FIXME to explain the possible problem with no_set_userenv <[…]165d72755cb0b227d> / Bug 16492: Test that no_set_userenv will not set userenv if not exist yet <[…]fe6fde4d6b4ec5e35> / Bug 16492 - Checkouts ( and possibly checkins and other act
17:43 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16667: Unused variable and function call in <[…]b93f13497768ba2e6> / Bug 16609: Catch warning from Koha::Hold in Hold.t <[…]f5e57d6e4a46fc17a> / Bug 16608 - Missing entity nbsp in some XML files <
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17:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16633: Translatability: Issues in tags/ (sentence splitting) <[…]29b918745a3ea8ddb> / Bug 16620: Translatability: Fix problem with isolated word "please" in <[…]f761d283c377b829d> / Bug 16613: fix MARC 09X help links <http://git.koha-com
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18:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16636 [QA Followup] - Move tests to t/External <[…]ea8314b578196dba2> / Bug 16636: [QA Follow-up] Move External_BakerTaylor.t to t <[…]17e032165a45d6e79> / Bug 16636: [QA Follow-up] Make BakerTaylor plack safe <
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18:12 tcohen hi
18:13 tcohen Joubu: I disabled D7 until we skip the tests that have unmet dependencies
18:13 tcohen do u want me to enable it?
18:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16289: Refactore code and add tests <[…]df3d00f216dbecbbb> / Bug 16289: Abbreviated formatting for numbering patterns <[…]0593f1e41922f0677> / Bug 16165 - Include link to ILS-DI documentation page in ILS-DI system preference <http://git.koha-community.or
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18:16 drojf tcohen: what tests?
18:16 wahanui tests is
18:17 drojf tcohen: khall just pushed what was missing for master packages. most of that was test related
18:17 tcohen drojf: Joubu asked why I disabled the Debian 7 jenkins tests
18:18 drojf ok. don't know what was missing for jenkins, but a few things just got fixed
18:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16592 - Use Bootstrap modal for MARC and Card preview on acquisitions receipt... <[…]b479c78f304338988>
18:32 drojf later #koha
18:44 Karl_H wait... it's khall's birthday? Happy birthday!
18:45 khall thanks Karl_H!
18:46 liw khall, hyvää syntymäpäivää!
18:47 khall thanks liw!
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19:10 cait happy birthday khall_away!
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19:28 bag HAPPY BIRTHDAY khall
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19:42 Tylathos Hey
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20:02 Tylathos I got a question about the check in by KOHA. Is it possible to make a question, which the staff has to answer ,befor the medium is checked in?
20:03 cait what kind of question?
20:03 Tylathos Is it possible to make a question, which the staff has to answer ,befor the medium is checked in?
20:04 cait can you describe your use case a bit more? I don't understand how you want this to work and why
20:04 kidclamp like "did you check the case for the dvd?" something along those lines?
20:05 bag what kidclamp says
20:05 bag hi THERE cait
20:05 talljoy longshot question on a friday afternoon.
20:05 Tylathos yes like : "Is the right dvd in the shell"
20:05 cait ah
20:05 cait if you want to do something for a whole itemtype
20:05 talljoy but...has anyone used itemnumber index in a matching rule for bibs?  and it worked?
20:05 cait use the check-in message
20:05 talljoy Tylathos: material specified field!
20:05 cait if you want to do something for a single item - you can use $3 in marc21
20:06 talljoy that ^^
20:06 kidclamp neither of those require confirmation to continue though iirc
20:06 cait hm check-in notice does
20:06 cait there are 2 options - one asks for confirmation the other not
20:06 kidclamp oh, I guess I did not realize, cool!
20:06 cait i never remember which is which :)
20:06 Tylathos Which one ask for confirmation?
20:06 cait the small pull down with the 2 options... on the itemtype adminitration page - give it a go
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20:08 talljoy oh yes for item messages as a whole.
20:08 kidclamp just chnges the box from yellow for alert to gray for message
20:09 * kidclamp thinks though you can rig just about anything up with javascript
20:09 kidclamp whether it is wise or not...
20:09 talljoy is another story
20:09 bag for another time
20:09 talljoy kidclamp ever used itemnumber index in matching rules:
20:09 talljoy ?
20:09 drojf can i have a javascript mojito?
20:09 talljoy mmmmm
20:09 kidclamp hah
20:09 bag pianohacker_DND: serve us up some javascript tsipouro
20:09 talljoy i knew i shouldn't ask this question on friday
20:10 * talljoy gives up and goes back into the hole with all the data
20:10 kidclamp talljoy, I thought it worked, but I don't know that it works
20:10 talljoy conceptually it *should* work.  but i thought the overlay was always based on barcode for items
20:10 talljoy i just remember khall saying that
20:11 cait kidclamp: hmmm should dig up the initial bug maybe - i thought one asked for a click or used to
20:11 Tylathos when i change the thing in the itemtype ther is still no confirmation needed. So there isn't an implemented way to make such confirmation check-ups or am i wrong?
20:11 kidclamp that may be true talljoy - and also cait for that matter
20:11 cait talljoy: hm i think we added itemnumber maybe too... but i am not completely sure
20:12 talljoy well it doesn't work if it was added.
20:12 talljoy just tested it
20:12 talljoy on 3.22.something
20:12 cait Tylathos: hm yes, it seems that you don't have to confirm at the moment
20:12 Tylathos cait: the whole code is coded in perl right?
20:13 cait yes and no
20:13 drojf and html and javascript and css and all that
20:13 cait Koha is written in perl - but you have a fair bit of sql, html, javascript etc. as well
20:13 Tylathos html and css are no programming language............
20:14 cait talljoy: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7131 - the second file is labelled 'overlay by itemnumber' - but not sure it's in the test plan too
20:14 huginn` Bug 7131: new feature, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, CLOSED FIXED, way to overlay items in in marc import
20:15 bag @later tell wizzyrea - I was/am afraid to edit the main page of so I didn’t change it.  But can you tell me who I should ask to change the main page - so it says try 16.05 instead of 3.22?  I’ll add another beer to the pile that I already owe you and mr THE trea
20:15 huginn` bag: The operation succeeded.
20:15 cait hm reading the comments, it was intended to match on itemnumber too
20:16 bag agreed cait - I’m sure it’s intended
20:16 talljoy maybe the trick is to not use itemnumber as a match point.
20:16 cait yeah i think it does it implicitly
20:16 talljoy but just match your bib and then overlay your items.
20:16 cait not by matching rule
20:16 talljoy and it will overlay if it matches on itemnumber.
20:16 talljoy let me try that
20:16 cait fingers crossed
20:17 cait hm now looking for the check-in message
20:17 Tylathos Is there a process where you port koha away from cgi?
20:20 talljoy cait that was it.
20:21 talljoy can't use itemnumber index as a matchpoint.  but it will overlay based on itemnumber.
20:21 cait Tylathos: you can use Koha with Plack now
20:21 pianohacker_DND yup yup
20:21 pianohacker_DND talljoy: wheh
20:21 cait Tylathos: also i looked - it seems there was no confirm option implemented, but it would probably be easy to add as a third option
20:21 cait the initial bug was bug 10513
20:21 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10513 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, CLOSED FIXED, Light up a warning/message when returning a chosen item type.
20:22 Tylathos cait: i just wanted to ask. I would personaly say that I'm pretty good at perl ( visiting YAPC::EU since 2013) so i will look it up myself :)
20:23 cait great :)
20:23 cait if you need help with the process, just ask here
20:23 cait also some information on the wiki
20:23 cait patch workflow?
20:23 wahanui i guess patch workflow is at[…]nt-patch_Workflow
20:23 cait hah, lucky gues
20:24 kidclamp kohadevbox?
20:24 wahanui it has been said that kohadevbox is at
20:25 Tylathos Does this project at the moment need more devs? o
20:25 pianohacker_DND alwayd
20:25 cait yep
20:26 cait we can never have enough devs, testers and qa people
20:27 Tylathos and the perl code is strict modern::perl ?
20:28 cait um
20:28 cait keep in mind that this was started end of 1999 - the code varies a bit
20:29 Tylathos i was build 1995 and i write strict modern::perl, so age is no excuse :D ((just kidding i'm fine when there are some not so fine written lines)
20:30 cait coding guidelines?
20:30 wahanui coding guidelines are[…]Coding_Guidelines
20:30 cait qa tools?
20:30 wahanui git clone git://
20:30 cait thx wahanui
20:30 wahanui yw
20:30 pianohacker_DND we're pretty close to full modern::perl, only a few old exceptions
20:31 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
20:31 wahanui :)
20:32 talljoy cookies?
20:32 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
20:35 Tylathos When i enable plack like written in this page, i get an "Internal Server Error" when i open a page. Where is the log from the server written?
20:36 cait how did you install koha?
20:36 bag Tylathos: package install?
20:36 wahanui it has been said that package install is easy, if you do it on a supported os
20:37 Tylathos installed via apt-get on debian 8
20:37 bag ps -ef | grep plack
20:37 bag got anything there?
20:37 cait packages then :)
20:37 drojf you started with a version pre 3.22
20:37 drojf ?
20:38 bag otherwise look at your apache logs maybe
20:38 Tylathos @bag: yes
20:38 huginn` Tylathos: I suck
20:39 Tylathos drojf: this installation is from yesterday, so no
20:39 drojf ok then it's not what i found today
20:39 drojf but i got the same error
20:40 kidclamp restart plack, restart apache? I have to restart plack everytime I launch my devbox
20:41 cait hm make sure plack is running?
20:44 Tylathos cait: How except from checking is the daemon is running?
20:44 cait i am not quite the righ tperson to ask about plack
20:45 cait tcohen would be good, but he is not here... maybe pianohacker_DND?
20:45 Tylathos cait: no problem, i will look at the logs
20:45 kidclamp Tylathos: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]e_Debian_packages
20:45 kidclamp try stopping - enabling - starting
20:45 kidclamp after that I cannot help
20:46 kidclamp but the package commands usually work
20:46 kidclamp have a good weekend #koha
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21:10 Tylathos ah i found the bug and it's already known
21:12 cait going to bed too - night all :)
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21:24 drojf Tylathos: which one?
21:24 wahanui which one is t?
21:25 Tylathos drojf: 16138  i Know its fixed but the errormessage is by me exactly the same
21:29 drojf hm. if you installed just now, it's not the same, or a regression
21:29 drojf what versionm do you have exactly?
21:29 Tylathos
21:32 Tylathos drojf: after the sixt restart of the daemon it now work :D
21:33 Tylathos How fast Koha now is. Just let cgi die -.-'
21:36 drojf it does only work on apache 2.4 with that setup. we still support wheezy
21:38 bag Tylathos: where are you from?
21:38 bag if I missed it - sorry for asking again ;)
21:38 Tylathos @bag: I'm from germany
21:38 huginn` Tylathos: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:39 bag ah
21:39 Tylathos @bag: why do u ask?
21:39 huginn` Tylathos: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:40 bag no need for the twitter @’s here ;)
21:40 bag just curious - I was hoping you lived next door
21:40 drojf more nect door to cait i think
21:40 bag I need more Koha hackers in the pacific northwest (oregon)
21:40 drojf *next
21:41 Tylathos bag: when i visit the YAPC::EU it would be strange if i would live in germany :D
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21:50 Tylathos So I'm going now to sleep too. Have a good night
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