Time Nick Message 01:04 Francesca hey 06:11 * cait1 waves and runs out again 06:21 * magnuse waves 06:22 * LibraryClaire waves sleepily 06:23 fridolin hie 06:27 drojf mrng 06:28 LibraryClaire Morning 06:48 reiveune hello 06:53 matts hi #koha ! 06:54 drojf bonjour matts 07:03 alex_a bonjour 07:16 * magnuse waves again 07:18 marcelr hi #koha 07:19 LibraryClaire Hi marcelr 07:19 marcelr :) 07:29 drojf hi marcelr 07:29 marcelr hello drojf 07:59 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 07:59 huginn` LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 12.0°C (8:50 AM BST on June 09, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 07:59 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:59 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 18.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on June 09, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 08:41 magnuse @wunder boo 08:41 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on June 09, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:41 magnuse hm, seems we're stuck 09:52 gerundio hi, good morning 09:52 gerundio I've been using Koha for some years now 09:52 gerundio I was asked to perform an upgrade to 3.22.7... just to find out that the next day version 16.05 was released 09:53 cait gerundio: it's just come out - i'd wait a bit 09:53 gerundio is there a safe upgrade path to this new version from 3.2x family? 09:53 cait 3.22.x latest sounds sensible 09:53 cait yes of course, we only changed the version naming 09:53 gerundio I couldn't find any information about that version naming 09:53 cait it's now year.month - but it would have been just a 3.24 otherwise 09:54 gerundio ok, thanks 09:54 gerundio cait++ 09:54 cait but be careful - known problems with newer mysql versions etc 09:54 gerundio ok 09:54 cait so maybe wait a bit longer or use the latest 3.22 09:54 gerundio I'll stick to 3.22.7 for now :) 10:01 cait hi irma! 10:04 eythian someone ought to write ablog post about the version change 10:05 * cait doesn't have a blog 10:05 drojf koha does 10:06 drojf you just need to write te article :P 10:06 drojf the 10:07 drojf did "use biblio number as control number" ever become a real thing or is it still just a hack somebody used? 10:17 cait hack 10:26 Nikesh Hi .... I am from Khalifa Univesity Abu Dhabi. 10:27 Nikesh We are in the process of implementing KOHA. I finished with installing and also uploaded MARC records. When I do a title searching , words from series are also appearing. Is there any way to restrict the search to title only by excluding words from series field 11:17 magnuse drojf: bug 9921 11:17 wahanui somebody said bug 9921 was about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber 11:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo.lopez, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber 11:18 * magnuse tries to tackle bug 16694 11:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16694 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Limit SIP2 auth by patron attribute 11:18 drojf magnuse: thanks 11:27 jzairo morning khall 11:27 khall mornin! 11:27 vfernandes hi :) 11:29 vfernandes one quick question: it's possible to create a default po file with some translations and apply them to a specific tt file? 11:33 Marianne Hi! Does anyone know if its possible to set a maximum loantime including renewal. We would like to say that you can renew x times but not for longer than a total time of 84 days. One ordinary loanperiod before renewal is set to 28 days. 11:54 magnuse Marianne: i don't that is possible. you'd have to set a max number of renewals and a renewal length that adds up to your total 11:54 magnuse so they get 84 if they wait as long as possible before renewing 12:00 bgkriegel_ vfernandes: yes, it's possible 12:01 bgkriegel_ vfernandes: you need to create the po file, specific for that file 12:02 bgkriegel_ vfernandes: perl tmpl_process3.pl create -i ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/modules/ -f opac-main.tt -s specific.po 12:02 bgkriegel_ that for opac-main.tt, just an example 12:03 bgkriegel_ to apply it you can run: perl tmpl_process3.pl install -i ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/modules/ -o ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/xx-YY/modules/ -f opac-main.tt -s specific.po 12:03 bgkriegel_ destination dir must exist 12:08 * asgeirr slaps Marianne around a bit with a large fishbot 12:11 eythian went for Greek for lunch. They'd run out of gyro and tzatziki. Went for burgers instead. 12:24 cait eythian: so sad 12:24 kidclamp morning 12:25 * magnuse waves at the ghost of asgeirr 12:27 drojf now i'm hungry :/ 12:38 fridolin whouuu, translation was breaking some datatables in fr-FR 12:38 fridolin most of the JS code is in PO and must be unchanged 12:45 tcohen morning 12:49 kidclamp morning tcohen 12:49 tcohen hey kidclamp 12:49 wahanui well, kidclamp is going to talk to the sponsors and see what they think 12:50 kidclamp wahanui forget kidclamp 12:50 wahanui kidclamp: I forgot kidclamp 12:58 drojf anyone using sip2 with tls? 13:06 Marianne Thank you for your answers magnuse and vfernandes 13:07 vfernandes bgkriegel_++ 13:25 eythian drojf: catalyst had it with stunnel (we refused to let it go via the internet otherwise.) 13:25 magnuse drojf: tls? 13:25 eythian Transport Layer Security 13:25 eythian Often slightly wrongly called SSL 13:25 magnuse why can't i get a patron attribute to show up in 3.22.7? 13:25 magnuse eythian: gotcha! 13:28 magnuse because the patronn attribute wasn't saved in the first place... 13:59 mveron Hi #koha 14:00 drojf hi mveron 14:01 mveron Fridolin: Regarding the French translation, I just filtered for printf() checks in Pootle, there are 47 fatal errors with missing / wrong %s 14:02 mveron Hi drojf :-) 14:02 * LibraryClaire waves 14:02 fridolin ich yes, we have to work on it 14:23 barton Out of curiosity, what does C4::Biblio::RemoveAllNsb do? The perldoc says "Removes all nsb/nse chars from a record", but I don't know what those are. 14:24 cait i think non-filling stuff for unimarc 14:24 cait using characters for that instead of indicators 14:25 barton thanks cait! 14:28 barton dani says nsb is 'non-sorting begin' and thinks that nse is 'non-sorting end'. 14:28 cait yep 14:28 cait they sourround the words not to be sorted i think 14:28 barton Ahhhh. 14:29 barton did you catch that, huginn`? 14:29 barton what is nsb 14:29 cait barton finding some examples with nsb nse unimarc 14:29 barton nerp. 14:29 barton cait: I'm not sure I'm *that* curious. ;-) 14:30 cait heh 14:30 cait hi paul_p 14:30 barton ... I was just looking at the arguments to tools/export.pl 14:30 paul_p hi cait. 14:30 cait how is copenhagen? :) 14:30 paul_p ELAG2016 is over ! 14:30 cait ohno 14:31 cait I saw your dinner picture with casper - what did he feed you there? 14:31 paul_p copenhagen is ... expensive... much much quiet than thessaloniki ... I won't compare the danish food to the greek food... 14:31 cait heh 14:32 paul_p cait it was skipper lobscouse. Something with veal meat & potatoes. 14:32 cait doesn't sound too bad 14:32 paul_p not bad. Just heavy food, not very tasty 14:38 LibraryClaire the tweets I saw from the conference looked interesting 14:42 cait yeah they did 14:43 bag morning 14:44 LibraryClaire hi bag 14:44 bag heya LibraryClaire 14:44 wahanui i think LibraryClaire is the monster under my bed 14:45 LibraryClaire hah 15:02 drojf later #koha 15:30 reiveune bye 15:59 mveron Bye #koha 16:00 LibraryClaire laters #koha 16:07 rocks Hi folks, I just tried to install Koha on Ubuntu using Virtual Box and got this error message during the web-install https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=16664 16:07 rocks Any tips? 17:10 pianohacker eythian: how hard would it be to search an arbitrary MARC field in the indexed record in ES? 18:47 magnuse pianohacker: good qustion. koha used to have that, i think 18:54 pianohacker @later tell eythian how hard would it be to search an arbitrary MARC field in the indexed record in ES? 18:54 huginn` pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 20:01 * cait waves 20:24 eythian pianohacker: good question. I don't think you can the way I set it up (aside from forming an index from it.) 20:25 eythian I'm pretty sure that the record stuff isn't indexed. 20:25 eythian But it might be possible to index it so that an explicit search will find it, I'm not sure. 20:26 eythian Also, it's not stored in a search friendly form, you'd want to restructure it so it's searchable. 20:27 pianohacker eythian: https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/nested-query.html ? 20:30 eythian Yeah, but I'm not sure if you need the field to be indexed for that to work, and it's probable indexes are turned off for record. 20:30 eythian However searching record is a bad idea anyway. 20:31 eythian Because it's MARCJSON which is not a well structured form 20:31 pianohacker eythian: I agree with you 20:32 pianohacker [off] pondering a dev request... 20:32 eythian If you made another subfield that was say fields->tag->subfield structured, then yeah that'd work. 20:33 eythian (I'm using subfield with two different definitions there.) 20:33 pianohacker oh, yeah, true, making something search the field-as-array structure of MARCJSON could be... tricky 20:33 eythian Yep 20:33 eythian Worthwhile if there's a good use case, definitely. 20:33 pianohacker there... might be. maybe :) 20:33 eythian Would cost a fair bit more in storage I think. 20:34 pianohacker that's what I was just thinking about 20:34 pianohacker big-ass record with a million items... 20:34 eythian (but that might be OK, especially if it were optional which it could be.) 20:35 pianohacker this has different, less terrifying tradeoffs as compared to the other option (ExtractValue-based MySQL searching) 20:35 bag scary 20:35 eythian Yeah for sure 20:36 eythian You'd want to think about your tokenisation 🙂 21:17 LibraryClaire hi #koha 21:18 bag hiya 21:19 LibraryClaire :) 21:27 kidclamp jajm could 16504 get added for 3.22? 21:28 bag kind of late kidclamp 21:28 bag I think it’s almost 1030pm there 21:28 kidclamp ah 21:28 kidclamp I am terrible at time zones 21:28 bag talljoy already called that title 21:28 kidclamp @later tell jajm could 16504 get added for 3.22? 21:28 huginn` kidclamp: The operation succeeded. 21:29 talljoy kidclamp you can't claim that 21:29 talljoy bag is right, that is my title 21:29 talljoy nengard has 'bad at math' 21:29 talljoy i have 'bad at timezones' 21:29 kidclamp I woke up at 3am to do something someone in CA asked me to do at 6am their time 21:29 kidclamp I went back to bed very grumpy 21:29 talljoy HA 21:29 bag HA 21:30 kidclamp The only way they make sense to me is when I stop and picture the earth rotating from space, then I can kind of get it right 21:30 pianohacker kidclamp: UTC, man :) 21:30 talljoy those are not freedom hours pianohacker 21:31 pianohacker I'm UTC-6, jajm is UTC+2 21:31 pianohacker talljoy: hmm, but where's the freedom meridian? 21:31 pianohacker DC? 21:31 talljoy HA 21:31 eythian Statistically, through New Zealand 21:32 pianohacker stay out of this, metric-user 21:32 talljoy lol 21:32 pianohacker you probably measure timezones in KILOMETERS 21:32 talljoy sick 21:32 eythian Although sometimes it gets switched with Scandinavia for a bit 21:32 pianohacker we measure our freedom in HOGSHEADS 21:32 talljoy and BUSHELS and PECKS 21:32 * talljoy imagines a hogshead unit..... 21:34 eythian It's a thing. 21:34 eythian Because non metric is weird and bizarre 21:35 eythian Only used by crazy people, Liberia, and Myanmar 21:35 talljoy but free 21:35 talljoy heh 21:35 talljoy except not free ironically 21:35 talljoy wait... 21:36 pianohacker so free it uses whatever base it wants 21:36 pianohacker base-12, base-10, base-1760 21:37 kidclamp everyone should have their utc listed on the wiki :b 21:38 LibraryClaire I don't know what mine is half the time 21:38 kidclamp and also talljoy, don't we all want to be like you? 21:38 talljoy indeed you should. 21:38 talljoy kidclamp++ 21:39 talljoy kidclamp knows how to butter up his coworkers. nicely done 21:39 eythian There's only one utc, that's the point. 21:39 eythian LibraryClaire: droll :-) 21:39 kidclamp their relative adjustment to utc 21:41 LibraryClaire ;) 22:47 LibraryClaire g'night #koha