IRC log for #koha, 2016-05-27

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00:00 * Brooke is feeling the when I was your age our code was on punchcards age tonight.
00:00 kidclamp heh, I have two card catalogs and two microfiche readers in my house fwiw
00:01 Brooke oooof
00:02 Brooke the former is cool, the latter is just kinda excessive ;)
00:02 Brooke have you seen Jason Scott's talk on the emularity?
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00:02 kidclamp no
00:03 Brooke hang on lemme google summat
00:03 Brooke
00:04 Brooke[…]esNDSR2016May2016
00:04 Brooke he is *hilarious* in person
00:05 kidclamp ooh, I have been playing their games
00:05 kidclamp The Fool's Errand is still an amazing puzzle game
00:05 Brooke '
00:05 Brooke Yer man is responsible for Oregon Trail being up there
00:06 kidclamp I have been avoiding that one for fear of getting obsessed
00:06 * Brooke is way beyond obsession at this hour.
00:06 Brooke this stapler is a metaphor for my life
00:06 Brooke it staples once
00:07 Brooke and gives up
00:07 Brooke then I unjam it
00:07 Brooke rinse repeat
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01:35 francesca Hello
01:35 liz hi
01:35 wahanui privet, liz
01:35 francesca I'll be in soon
01:35 liz cool, kathryn's there :)
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01:37 francesca Cool, hi Kathryn
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01:58 kathryn hi francesca
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06:06 * magnuse waves
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06:16 marcelr hi #koha
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06:17 eythian @later tell rangi[…]old-to-lion-group
06:17 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
06:24 marcelr hii eythian
06:24 eythian Hello marcelr
06:24 marcelr alles goed in berlijn?
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06:28 fridolin bonjouuuuuur the people
06:28 marcelr bonjour fridolin
06:28 eythian Ja, natuurlijk.
06:30 eythian Helaas weer niet zo mooi 🙂 Have to wait for Greece for that.
06:31 fridolin eythian: ah neederlands, where are u from ?
06:31 fridolin my family is from north belgium so i understand a bit
06:31 eythian fridolin: New Zealand, you know this 🙂
06:32 fridolin ahh NZ. mmm its a UTF character but so large, UTF-16 ?
06:34 eythian fridolin: I've stayed at your house, have you not had coffee yet?
06:34 eythian The UTF8 is a Unicode smilie because I'm on my phone.
06:36 fridolin ahhhh Robin, nice to see u
06:36 fridolin look
06:36 fridolin 6 Hexa chars are a UTF16 character
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06:46 eythian fridolin: :-) I'm not actually sure what this sense, but I'd be surprised if it's UTF16 because then everything would be.
06:46 eythian * what this sends
06:48 fridolin mmmh, encoding is hell
06:49 magnuse word!
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06:51 alex_a bonjour
06:51 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
06:52 * magnuse kicks himself into migration mode
06:53 eythian Flying south for the summer, eh?
06:53 magnuse hehe, a little bit, yes
06:58 fridolin for my problem yesterday with zebrasrv and systemd,
06:58 fridolin i've find a simple solution
06:58 fridolin documented in Wiki : https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]the_Zebra_Indexer
06:58 fridolin a simple service config file and it runs, it does not need daemon anymore
07:00 liw nice
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07:45 pianohacker good morning
07:45 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
07:57 fridolin pianohacker: hie
07:58 fridolin yesterday i was asking for Zebrasrv+Systemd for Debian Jessie
07:58 fridolin I've the solution if u want
07:59 pianohacker fridolin: just saw that in the scrollback, thanks
08:00 fridolin cool
08:00 fridolin I try to share a little bit more in community
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08:05 cait2 good morning pianohacker!
08:05 pianohacker cait2: too late :(
08:06 cait2 why toolate? no longer morning yet?
08:08 pianohacker yes..
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08:11 liw "Fri 27 May 08:11:00 UTC 2016" -- UTC is the only correct timezone, so it's still morning :P
08:11 t4nk602 hello any one here upgraded to latest release
08:11 magnuse cait2: yeah, almost lunchtime!
08:12 magnuse t4nk602: do you mean 16.05 which is just a few hours old?
08:12 magnuse it is recommended to wait at least until the first maintenance release before upgrading a production system. that will be one month from now
08:15 t4nk602 Oww ok
08:15 t4nk602 I thought it was released yesterday
08:15 cait2 also, if you are running ubuntu 16.05 just don't
08:15 t4nk602 Isn;t the release stable
08:16 cait2 it is, but there are always some small catches found early
08:16 t4nk602 I see
08:16 cait2 so you can, but it is really early :)
08:16 t4nk602 It works on Linux?
08:16 t4nk602 I understand
08:22 rangi is anyone working on packaging dbix::runsql ?
08:22 eythian yep
08:23 rangi cool
08:23 fridolin 16.05 should be tested with mariaDB 10.0/1
08:23 fridolin i'll have a try when I can
08:24 t4nk602 is it working on Linux
08:24 t4nk602 or Ubuntu?
08:24 wahanui i think Ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions.
08:24 eythian t4nk602: it only works on linux
08:24 t4nk602 ok
08:24 rangi ubuntu is a distribution of linux
08:25 t4nk602 hwen I buy linux OS it comes with Ubuntu?
08:25 rangi i am not sure what you are asking
08:26 pianohacker rangi: in person ping
08:27 cait2 hm anyone ever had problems with apache not writing ot the koha error logs?
08:27 cait2 it writes to apache logs instead... ubuntu 16.05, apache 2.4 etc.
08:27 t4nk602 can you tell me the requirements for installation of koha
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08:30 fridolin1 wahanui: are u there ?
08:30 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, fridolin1
08:30 fridolin1 ok im online
08:36 Joubu fridolin1: fwiw I use MariaDB daily in my dev env and never had any issues with it
08:36 Joubu fridolin1: will you be in Thessaloniki?
08:41 magnuse whut? if i try to save the report "SELECT borrowernumber, cardnumber, firstname, surname FROM borrowers WHERE LENGTH( cardnumber ) != 14" i get "the connection was reset". if i try to save it as "SELECT borrowernumber, cardnumber, firstname, surname FROM borrowers WHERE cardnumber != 14" (without the LENGTH()) it works fine?!?
08:41 fridolin1 Joubu: no i wont, i'think other deserves it
08:43 rangi Joubu: about to sign off 16591
08:43 rangi but i was thinking, we could (in a new bug) make the token generation a TT plugin
08:44 rangi to make it easy to add to other tt pages
08:45 eythian magnuse: is != supposed to work?
08:45 eythian typically SQL is <>
08:45 eythian (IIRC)
08:45 eythian this doesn't really answer your question, however.
08:46 eythian I'd also check your mysql logs, because connection reset is not something that should ever be an answer.
08:47 Joubu rangi: yes that's a first step. If we get others issues, I will do something better
08:47 rangi cool
08:48 Joubu I do not manage to find a good Koha logo (png or svg), does someone know where I can find that?
08:48 magnuse eythian: i'm saving it as a report, so the reset is apache, not mysql, i think
08:48 eythian ah
08:48 Joubu the green one if possible
08:49 rangi i dont think we have a good one of the green one
08:49 rangi we have svg of the black one
08:49 magnuse and <> vs != seems to do the same thing, but both versions give a reset
08:49 Joubu rangi: I have found https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]f-client-logo.svg but the inside of the 'o' and 'a' are not transparent (white instead...)
08:50 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]s_and_Explanation
08:50 rangi found the ones at the bottom here?
08:50 Joubu yes that's the one I found
08:50 rangi ah annoying
08:51 rangi could use this
08:51 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ages/Koha-egg.svg
08:51 Joubu Yes I think it's what I will do
08:51 Joubu But would have been great to have the text
08:51 rangi yeah
08:51 rangi the font is Bitstream Vera Sans
08:52 rangi maybe
08:54 cait2 Joubu: are you in greece already?
08:56 Joubu cait2: yep :)
08:56 cait2 how is it? :)
08:56 Joubu hot!
08:56 cait2 ugh
08:56 cait2 @wunder Thessaloniki
08:56 huginn cait2: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 25.0°C (11:20 AM EEST on May 27, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:56 Joubu I am not in Thessaloniki yet, but 100kms south
08:57 Joubu yesterday it was 35° :)
08:57 cait2 ah ok
08:57 cait2 when are you getting to tessaloniki? is k. coming too?
08:57 liw too hot
08:57 Joubu We plan to arrive tomorrow in the afternoon, and yes she is here
08:58 liw @wunder helsinki
08:58 huginn liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 16.0°C (11:50 AM EEST on May 27, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
08:58 rangi Joubu: ill arrive around 10am tomorrow
08:59 * liw will be arriving Wednesday
08:59 magnuse @wunder boo
08:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
08:59 magnuse hah!
08:59 * magnuse will never arrive - eternal traveller!
09:00 liw magnuse, I congratulate you on a reasonable temperature :)
09:00 magnuse thanks - it IS rather nice!
09:00 rangi in time for the day trip liw :)
09:01 Joubu rangi: ok I will try to catch you on #koha when we are around
09:01 liw rangi, all of Wednesday is a trip day, I'm going to be exhausted by the time in the afternoon
09:01 rangi Joubu: cool :)
09:01 rangi liw: Thursday is the trip to the tombs :)
09:02 rangi pianohacker:[…]35847443376394241
09:02 pianohacker hehehe
09:02 liw rangi, oh. I though it was hacking?
09:03 Joubu Do not forget the sun cream and the hat!
09:03 Joubu (or baseball cap for bag!)
09:04 rangi liw:
09:04 liw no I tell a lie.  I only arrive on Thursday, actually.
09:04 rangi ahhhh
09:04 eythian cait2:
09:05 Joubu ha something else, if you plan to get a simcard with prepaid data, it's not so easy, and quite expansive
09:05 rangi luckily i can use my nz simcard and my nz data for $5 nzd a day there
09:05 eythian @later tell drojf
09:05 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
09:05 fridolin1 whoooo 1 patch : Bug 16608
09:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16608 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Missing entity nbsp in some XML files
09:06 * fridolin1 in the place
09:07 Joubu you can get something at Cosmote (1st phone network), it's 15€ the sim card (with 10€ top up included). it's called "internet on the go", but lot of shops do not have this sim card (or they do not want to sell it, did not understand why...)
09:08 Joubu and then buy another topup to reach 20€ and you will get 2Go for a week, something like that
09:08 rangi cool
09:08 Joubu it's easier to drink beers and use the wifi of the cafés
09:09 Joubu (not what I do!)
09:10 rangi :)
09:14 eythian ashimema: happy birthday!
09:15 pianohacker eythian: out of curiosity, was live reindexing (at time of change) looked at for ES?
09:15 ashimema cheers eythian :)
09:16 rangi pianohacker: if you are using packages its done realtime (well close to, it uses the indexing daemon that is on by default now)
09:16 eythian pianohacker: I have this memory that it would try to do it in realtime
09:16 eythian that may have changed though
09:16 eythian My plan was for it to try in realtime and fall back to a queue if that failed, I think
09:20 pianohacker things that are working, if not extraordinarily useful: catmandu move Koha::Biblio to ElasticSearch --index_name koha
09:20 pianohacker catmandu export Koha::Biblio to MARC
09:29 eythian does sending it to ES work with all the fixer rules that Koha uses to make things searchable?
09:29 eythian because if so, that'd be pretty neat
09:29 eythian I wonder if you can provide a module for --fix somehow
09:30 eythian then you could just have something that generates them
09:32 pianohacker eythian: I don't think directly, but we could write our own fix
09:32 pianohacker eythian: any idea where that code lives?
09:34 eythian Dig through from Koha::ElasticSearch::Indexer
09:34 Joubu pianohacker: ES indexing code is in Koha::ES::Indexer (if it was your question)
09:34 * Joubu is too slow
09:34 eythian snap!
09:36 eythian specifically, _convert_marc_to_json at the bottom of that module is where they're referenced.
09:40 pianohacker found 'em
09:41 pianohacker in theory, yes, though I'm not sure of the mechanics
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09:44 LibraryClaire morning #koha
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10:18 Joubu @later tell Brooke Bonjour :)
10:18 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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10:37 rangi hi LibraryClaire
10:38 LibraryClaire hi rangi :)
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10:46 magnuse anyone wanna take the time to check if koha qualifies for a Best Practices Badge?
11:00 cait2 hi LibraryClaire
11:02 LibraryClaire hi cait2 :)
11:05 magnuse @wunder boo
11:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 18.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on May 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
11:05 magnuse \o/
11:08 magnuse cait2: how ya'll doing in berlin?
11:10 eythian post lunch minor coma
11:10 magnuse heh
11:10 magnuse too much cheese?
11:14 eythian too much  jambalaya really
11:19 magnuse jambalaya!
11:20 eythian rangi: do you have the ability to push to I don't have my old key handy, and it hasn't picked up my new one yet.
11:26 rangi hmm not on this machine
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11:32 eythian ah well. I'll just have to make drojf do it as part of his initiation :) (I have a ready-for-debian package for DBIx::RunSQL.)
11:34 rangi sweet :)
11:39 fridolin sweet
11:40 magnuse eythian++
11:41 pianohacker *blink* interesting code from Catmandu::ES... return unless $total if defined $total;
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11:48 pianohacker rangi: am I missing something, or does C4::Search::SimpleSearch not work with ES?
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11:53 rangi not sure, maybe not, it doesnt really work with anything
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12:05 eythian pianohacker: I'm fairly sure I put something in for SimpleSearch
12:05 eythian I think I found all the places it was referenced and directed them to a dispatch thingy
12:06 pianohacker ah kk
12:06 pianohacker eythian: ah, yes you did
12:17 eythian DBIx::RunSQL package in here:[…]s/PdpAnvE0LgIgLoY
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12:25 eythian gmcharlt: There's a hopefully debian ready package for DBIx::RunSQL on alioth for your backporting pleasure.
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12:54 paul_p_ rangi = are u here (or visiting Berlin) ?
12:54 eythian paul_p_: he's in Berlin, but he's gone to nap for the afternoon
12:55 paul_p_ thx eythian. will drop him an email then ;-)
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13:09 eythian old DBIx::RunSQL link replaced with this one directly to the deb file:[…]s/4Asak2zzKiuO8pF
13:09 eythian it's now been uploaded into Debian
13:09 liw eythian, yay!
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13:18 magnuse eythian++
13:19 nengard hi all, i just upgraded to 16.05 ;) and I noticed that the timeline stops at Oct 5, 2015 on the about page
13:20 eythian Time actually stops then.
13:20 druthb lawl
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13:43 pianohacker eythian: Catmandu has a very strong emphasis on CQL, and the builtin Catmandu ES implementation requires an outside mapping. Do you think there's a clever way to use Koha's builtin stuff to create that mapping?
13:43 eythian it must be programmable
13:43 eythian though, at the moment it produces ES queries directly anyway
13:44 eythian (that said, CQL might be an OK thing to settle on in terms of search languages perhaps.)
13:44 pianohacker eythian: as opposed to the rough melange Koha supports now?
13:44 eythian yeah
13:45 eythian QueryBuilder could also be used
13:45 eythian to produce ES queries directly
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14:37 drojf hi #koha
14:39 eythian look who's decided to show up
14:43 eythian[…] <-- drojf, you should start adopting these
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14:48 drojf oh thats a lot
14:49 eythian well adopting them is pretty much scriptable.
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14:49 eythian it's just a matter of replacing my name+email with yours in debian/control
14:52 drojf eythian: i'll postpone all package thoughts to after liws workshop
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15:02 eythian pianohacker:
15:18 eythian pianohacker: cait2:[…]uchen/berlin.html
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22:25 tcohen hi there
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