Time Nick Message 00:00 * Brooke is feeling the when I was your age our code was on punchcards age tonight. 00:00 kidclamp heh, I have two card catalogs and two microfiche readers in my house fwiw 00:01 Brooke oooof 00:02 Brooke the former is cool, the latter is just kinda excessive ;) 00:02 Brooke have you seen Jason Scott's talk on the emularity? 00:02 kidclamp no 00:03 Brooke hang on lemme google summat 00:03 Brooke http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4546 00:04 Brooke https://archive.org/details/JasonScottPresentationTheWalkingDeadDigitalFrenimiesNDSR2016May2016 00:04 Brooke he is *hilarious* in person 00:05 kidclamp ooh, I have been playing their games 00:05 kidclamp The Fool's Errand is still an amazing puzzle game 00:05 Brooke ' 00:05 Brooke Yer man is responsible for Oregon Trail being up there 00:06 kidclamp I have been avoiding that one for fear of getting obsessed 00:06 * Brooke is way beyond obsession at this hour. 00:06 Brooke this stapler is a metaphor for my life 00:06 Brooke it staples once 00:07 Brooke and gives up 00:07 Brooke then I unjam it 00:07 Brooke rinse repeat 01:35 francesca Hello 01:35 liz hi 01:35 wahanui privet, liz 01:35 francesca I'll be in soon 01:35 liz cool, kathryn's there :) 01:37 francesca Cool, hi Kathryn 01:58 kathryn hi francesca 06:06 * magnuse waves 06:16 marcelr hi #koha 06:17 eythian @later tell rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/80458609/wellington-brewery-panhead-custom-ales-sold-to-lion-group 06:17 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 06:24 marcelr hii eythian 06:24 eythian Hello marcelr 06:24 marcelr alles goed in berlijn? 06:28 fridolin bonjouuuuuur the people 06:28 marcelr bonjour fridolin 06:28 eythian Ja, natuurlijk. 06:30 eythian Helaas weer niet zo mooi 🙂 Have to wait for Greece for that. 06:31 fridolin eythian: ah neederlands, where are u from ? 06:31 fridolin my family is from north belgium so i understand a bit 06:31 eythian fridolin: New Zealand, you know this 🙂 06:32 fridolin ahh NZ. mmm its a UTF character but so large, UTF-16 ? 06:34 eythian fridolin: I've stayed at your house, have you not had coffee yet? 06:34 eythian The UTF8 is a Unicode smilie because I'm on my phone. 06:36 fridolin ahhhh Robin, nice to see u 06:36 fridolin look https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16#U.2B0000_to_U.2BD7FF_and_U.2BE000_to_U.2BFFFF 06:36 fridolin 6 Hexa chars are a UTF16 character 06:46 eythian fridolin: :-) I'm not actually sure what this sense, but I'd be surprised if it's UTF16 because then everything would be. 06:46 eythian * what this sends 06:48 fridolin mmmh, encoding is hell 06:49 magnuse word! 06:51 alex_a bonjour 06:51 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 06:52 * magnuse kicks himself into migration mode 06:53 eythian Flying south for the summer, eh? 06:53 magnuse hehe, a little bit, yes 06:58 fridolin for my problem yesterday with zebrasrv and systemd, 06:58 fridolin i've find a simple solution 06:58 fridolin documented in Wiki : https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian_Jessie_development_setup#Configuring_the_Zebra_Indexer 06:58 fridolin a simple service config file and it runs, it does not need daemon anymore 07:00 liw nice 07:45 pianohacker good morning 07:45 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes 07:57 fridolin pianohacker: hie 07:58 fridolin yesterday i was asking for Zebrasrv+Systemd for Debian Jessie 07:58 fridolin I've the solution if u want 07:59 pianohacker fridolin: just saw that in the scrollback, thanks 08:00 fridolin cool 08:00 fridolin I try to share a little bit more in community 08:05 cait2 good morning pianohacker! 08:05 pianohacker cait2: too late :( 08:06 cait2 why toolate? no longer morning yet? 08:08 pianohacker yes.. 08:11 liw "Fri 27 May 08:11:00 UTC 2016" -- UTC is the only correct timezone, so it's still morning :P 08:11 t4nk602 hello any one here upgraded to latest release 08:11 magnuse cait2: yeah, almost lunchtime! 08:12 magnuse t4nk602: do you mean 16.05 which is just a few hours old? 08:12 magnuse it is recommended to wait at least until the first maintenance release before upgrading a production system. that will be one month from now 08:15 t4nk602 Oww ok 08:15 t4nk602 I thought it was released yesterday 08:15 cait2 also, if you are running ubuntu 16.05 just don't 08:15 t4nk602 Isn;t the release stable 08:16 cait2 it is, but there are always some small catches found early 08:16 t4nk602 I see 08:16 cait2 so you can, but it is really early :) 08:16 t4nk602 It works on Linux? 08:16 t4nk602 I understand 08:22 rangi is anyone working on packaging dbix::runsql ? 08:22 eythian yep 08:23 rangi cool 08:23 fridolin 16.05 should be tested with mariaDB 10.0/1 08:23 fridolin i'll have a try when I can 08:24 t4nk602 is it working on Linux 08:24 t4nk602 or Ubuntu? 08:24 wahanui i think Ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions. 08:24 eythian t4nk602: it only works on linux 08:24 t4nk602 ok 08:24 rangi ubuntu is a distribution of linux 08:25 t4nk602 hwen I buy linux OS it comes with Ubuntu? 08:25 rangi i am not sure what you are asking 08:26 pianohacker rangi: in person ping 08:27 cait2 hm anyone ever had problems with apache not writing ot the koha error logs? 08:27 cait2 it writes to apache logs instead... ubuntu 16.05, apache 2.4 etc. 08:27 t4nk602 can you tell me the requirements for installation of koha 08:30 fridolin1 wahanui: are u there ? 08:30 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, fridolin1 08:30 fridolin1 ok im online 08:36 Joubu fridolin1: fwiw I use MariaDB daily in my dev env and never had any issues with it 08:36 Joubu fridolin1: will you be in Thessaloniki? 08:41 magnuse whut? if i try to save the report "SELECT borrowernumber, cardnumber, firstname, surname FROM borrowers WHERE LENGTH( cardnumber ) != 14" i get "the connection was reset". if i try to save it as "SELECT borrowernumber, cardnumber, firstname, surname FROM borrowers WHERE cardnumber != 14" (without the LENGTH()) it works fine?!? 08:41 fridolin1 Joubu: no i wont, i'think other deserves it 08:43 rangi Joubu: about to sign off 16591 08:43 rangi but i was thinking, we could (in a new bug) make the token generation a TT plugin 08:44 rangi to make it easy to add to other tt pages 08:45 eythian magnuse: is != supposed to work? 08:45 eythian typically SQL is <> 08:45 eythian (IIRC) 08:45 eythian this doesn't really answer your question, however. 08:46 eythian I'd also check your mysql logs, because connection reset is not something that should ever be an answer. 08:47 Joubu rangi: yes that's a first step. If we get others issues, I will do something better 08:47 rangi cool 08:48 Joubu I do not manage to find a good Koha logo (png or svg), does someone know where I can find that? 08:48 magnuse eythian: i'm saving it as a report, so the reset is apache, not mysql, i think 08:48 eythian ah 08:48 Joubu the green one if possible 08:49 rangi i dont think we have a good one of the green one 08:49 rangi we have svg of the black one 08:49 magnuse and <> vs != seems to do the same thing, but both versions give a reset 08:49 Joubu rangi: I have found https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/images/Koha3-staff-client-logo.svg but the inside of the 'o' and 'a' are not transparent (white instead...) 08:50 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/The_Koha_Logo_:_Origins_and_Explanation 08:50 rangi found the ones at the bottom here? 08:50 Joubu yes that's the one I found 08:50 rangi ah annoying 08:51 rangi could use this 08:51 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/images/Koha-egg.svg 08:51 Joubu Yes I think it's what I will do 08:51 Joubu But would have been great to have the text 08:51 rangi yeah 08:51 rangi the font is Bitstream Vera Sans 08:52 rangi maybe 08:54 cait2 Joubu: are you in greece already? 08:56 Joubu cait2: yep :) 08:56 cait2 how is it? :) 08:56 Joubu hot! 08:56 cait2 ugh 08:56 cait2 @wunder Thessaloniki 08:56 huginn cait2: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 25.0°C (11:20 AM EEST on May 27, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 08:56 Joubu I am not in Thessaloniki yet, but 100kms south 08:57 Joubu yesterday it was 35° :) 08:57 cait2 ah ok 08:57 cait2 when are you getting to tessaloniki? is k. coming too? 08:57 liw too hot 08:57 Joubu We plan to arrive tomorrow in the afternoon, and yes she is here 08:58 liw @wunder helsinki 08:58 huginn liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 16.0°C (11:50 AM EEST on May 27, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 08:58 rangi Joubu: ill arrive around 10am tomorrow 08:59 * liw will be arriving Wednesday 08:59 magnuse @wunder boo 08:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 08:59 magnuse hah! 08:59 * magnuse will never arrive - eternal traveller! 09:00 liw magnuse, I congratulate you on a reasonable temperature :) 09:00 magnuse thanks - it IS rather nice! 09:00 rangi in time for the day trip liw :) 09:01 Joubu rangi: ok I will try to catch you on #koha when we are around 09:01 liw rangi, all of Wednesday is a trip day, I'm going to be exhausted by the time in the afternoon 09:01 rangi Joubu: cool :) 09:01 rangi liw: Thursday is the trip to the tombs :) 09:02 rangi pianohacker: https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/735847443376394241 09:02 pianohacker hehehe 09:02 liw rangi, oh. I though it was hacking? 09:03 Joubu Do not forget the sun cream and the hat! 09:03 Joubu (or baseball cap for bag!) 09:04 rangi liw: http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=2417 09:04 liw no I tell a lie. I only arrive on Thursday, actually. 09:04 rangi ahhhh 09:04 eythian cait2: https://goo.gl/photos/pCApfd8wVfTUdf8fA 09:05 Joubu ha something else, if you plan to get a simcard with prepaid data, it's not so easy, and quite expansive 09:05 rangi luckily i can use my nz simcard and my nz data for $5 nzd a day there 09:05 eythian @later tell drojf https://goo.gl/photos/pCApfd8wVfTUdf8fA 09:05 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 09:05 fridolin1 whoooo 1 patch : Bug 16608 09:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16608 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Missing entity nbsp in some XML files 09:06 * fridolin1 in the place 09:07 Joubu you can get something at Cosmote (1st phone network), it's 15€ the sim card (with 10€ top up included). it's called "internet on the go", but lot of shops do not have this sim card (or they do not want to sell it, did not understand why...) 09:08 Joubu and then buy another topup to reach 20€ and you will get 2Go for a week, something like that 09:08 rangi cool 09:08 Joubu it's easier to drink beers and use the wifi of the cafés 09:09 Joubu (not what I do!) 09:10 rangi :) 09:14 eythian ashimema: happy birthday! 09:15 pianohacker eythian: out of curiosity, was live reindexing (at time of change) looked at for ES? 09:15 ashimema cheers eythian :) 09:16 rangi pianohacker: if you are using packages its done realtime (well close to, it uses the indexing daemon that is on by default now) 09:16 eythian pianohacker: I have this memory that it would try to do it in realtime 09:16 eythian that may have changed though 09:16 eythian My plan was for it to try in realtime and fall back to a queue if that failed, I think 09:20 pianohacker things that are working, if not extraordinarily useful: catmandu move Koha::Biblio to ElasticSearch --index_name koha 09:20 pianohacker catmandu export Koha::Biblio to MARC 09:29 eythian does sending it to ES work with all the fixer rules that Koha uses to make things searchable? 09:29 eythian because if so, that'd be pretty neat 09:29 eythian I wonder if you can provide a module for --fix somehow 09:30 eythian then you could just have something that generates them 09:32 pianohacker eythian: I don't think directly, but we could write our own fix 09:32 pianohacker eythian: any idea where that code lives? 09:34 eythian Dig through from Koha::ElasticSearch::Indexer 09:34 Joubu pianohacker: ES indexing code is in Koha::ES::Indexer (if it was your question) 09:34 * Joubu is too slow 09:34 eythian snap! 09:36 eythian specifically, _convert_marc_to_json at the bottom of that module is where they're referenced. 09:40 pianohacker found 'em 09:41 pianohacker in theory, yes, though I'm not sure of the mechanics 09:44 LibraryClaire morning #koha 10:18 Joubu @later tell Brooke Bonjour :) 10:18 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 10:37 rangi hi LibraryClaire 10:38 LibraryClaire hi rangi :) 10:46 magnuse anyone wanna take the time to check if koha qualifies for a Best Practices Badge? http://bestpractices.coreinfrastructure.org/ 11:00 cait2 hi LibraryClaire 11:02 LibraryClaire hi cait2 :) 11:05 magnuse @wunder boo 11:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 18.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on May 27, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 11:05 magnuse \o/ 11:08 magnuse cait2: how ya'll doing in berlin? 11:10 eythian post lunch minor coma 11:10 magnuse heh 11:10 magnuse too much cheese? 11:14 eythian too much jambalaya really 11:19 magnuse jambalaya! 11:20 eythian rangi: do you have the ability to push to git.debian.org? I don't have my old key handy, and it hasn't picked up my new one yet. 11:26 rangi hmm not on this machine 11:32 eythian ah well. I'll just have to make drojf do it as part of his initiation :) (I have a ready-for-debian package for DBIx::RunSQL.) 11:34 rangi sweet :) 11:39 fridolin sweet 11:40 magnuse eythian++ 11:41 pianohacker *blink* interesting code from Catmandu::ES... return unless $total if defined $total; 11:48 pianohacker rangi: am I missing something, or does C4::Search::SimpleSearch not work with ES? 11:53 rangi not sure, maybe not, it doesnt really work with anything 12:05 eythian pianohacker: I'm fairly sure I put something in for SimpleSearch 12:05 eythian I think I found all the places it was referenced and directed them to a dispatch thingy 12:06 pianohacker ah kk 12:06 pianohacker eythian: ah, yes you did 12:17 eythian DBIx::RunSQL package in here: https://owncloud.kallisti.net.nz/s/PdpAnvE0LgIgLoY 12:25 eythian gmcharlt: There's a hopefully debian ready package for DBIx::RunSQL on alioth for your backporting pleasure. 12:54 paul_p_ rangi = are u here (or visiting Berlin) ? 12:54 eythian paul_p_: he's in Berlin, but he's gone to nap for the afternoon 12:55 paul_p_ thx eythian. will drop him an email then ;-) 13:09 eythian old DBIx::RunSQL link replaced with this one directly to the deb file: https://owncloud.kallisti.net.nz/s/4Asak2zzKiuO8pF 13:09 eythian it's now been uploaded into Debian 13:09 liw eythian, yay! 13:18 magnuse eythian++ 13:19 nengard hi all, i just upgraded to 16.05 ;) and I noticed that the timeline stops at Oct 5, 2015 on the about page 13:20 eythian Time actually stops then. 13:20 druthb lawl 13:43 pianohacker eythian: Catmandu has a very strong emphasis on CQL, and the builtin Catmandu ES implementation requires an outside mapping. Do you think there's a clever way to use Koha's builtin stuff to create that mapping? 13:43 eythian it must be programmable 13:43 eythian though, at the moment it produces ES queries directly anyway 13:44 eythian (that said, CQL might be an OK thing to settle on in terms of search languages perhaps.) 13:44 pianohacker eythian: as opposed to the rough melange Koha supports now? 13:44 eythian yeah 13:45 eythian QueryBuilder could also be used 13:45 eythian to produce ES queries directly 14:37 drojf hi #koha 14:39 eythian look who's decided to show up 14:43 eythian https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=robin%40catalyst.net.nz&comaint=yes <-- drojf, you should start adopting these 14:48 drojf oh thats a lot 14:49 eythian well adopting them is pretty much scriptable. 14:49 eythian it's just a matter of replacing my name+email with yours in debian/control 14:52 drojf eythian: i'll postpone all package thoughts to after liws workshop 15:02 eythian pianohacker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKGoVefhtMQ 15:18 eythian pianohacker: cait2: http://www.ritter-sport.de/de/besuchen/berlin.html 22:25 tcohen hi there