IRC log for #koha, 2016-04-21

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00:11 kidclamp rangi around?
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01:42 mtompset @seen kidclamp
01:42 huginn mtompset: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <kidclamp> rangi around?
01:46 kidclamp yes?
01:46 kidclamp mtompset, saw the update, should I test marcview only?
01:47 mtompset ISBD is a pain to close completely.
01:47 mtompset I'll write up a better test plan tomorrow.
01:47 mtompset I'm going to git bz attach my work to the bug.
01:47 kidclamp alirght, I will test tomorrow then :-) Thanks for the hard work
01:51 rangi am now
01:52 kidclamp I posted on bug 16282
01:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Usernames should be case sensitive
02:01 rangi ta
02:02 rangi commented back
02:05 kidclamp The emulator says it will look up patron by userid, but it didn't seem to be case sensitive before or after patch
02:05 mtompset Thanks for testing, kidclamp. Sorry it was more broken than I thought. :)
02:05 rangi ill check it out
02:05 kidclamp hehe, that's what testing is for
02:05 * mtompset grumbles about carts and lists.
02:06 mtompset Have a good night, #koha kidclamp rangi wizzyrea
02:07 mtompset ^night^day^
02:07 kidclamp you too mtompset
02:07 kidclamp following you out
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04:10 dcook Nothing like a mandatory Windows restart...
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04:54 mtj hey dcook, thanks for the SRU info :)
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06:05 magnuse bag++
06:08 dcook mtj: No worries :)
06:08 dcook I hadn't tried SRU before today, but the off-list email presented some interesting challenges :)
06:08 dcook I should really update the documentation and maybe some wiki pages..
06:44 magnuse dcook: or just go home... ;-)
06:45 dcook It's only 4:45pm! :p
06:45 magnuse yay!
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06:52 alex_a bonjour
06:54 magnuse bonjour alex_a
06:54 magnuse @wunder boo
06:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 21, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
06:54 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 15.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 21, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
06:54 alex_a bonjour magnuse
06:54 magnuse @wunder thessaloniki
06:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 15.0°C (9:20 AM EEST on April 21, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:55 * magnuse thought the stuff falling out of the sky this morning looked suspiciously like snow
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07:40 marcelr hi #koha
07:40 magnuse @later tell nengard there was a question on koha-devel about how to submit patches for the docs. what method do you prefer?
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07:41 gaetan_B hello
07:45 marcelr bon jour gaetan_B
07:45 marcelr and hi magnuse
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08:28 magnuse hi cait marcelr and gaetan_B
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09:00 SamEEE hai friends!
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10:44 kivilahtio Do we have any default patron/user/borrower which could be considered as the default user for commandline scripts?
10:45 kivilahtio when you log in to OPAC or staff client, the userenv is autoatically set for the person logged in.
10:45 kivilahtio how about commandline scripts/cronjobs?
10:46 kivilahtio should there be a default koha.borrowers-row with borrowernumber = 1 who would populate the userenv for cronjobs?
10:46 kivilahtio I see the sample_borrowers.sql introduces Koha Admin (1), but this is not a mandatory borrowers-entry
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10:58 drojf hi #koha
10:59 marcelr kivilahtio: cronjobs are not associated with a user normally
10:59 marcelr hi drojf
10:59 kivilahtio hi drojf
10:59 kivilahtio marcelr: usually, but I have a cronjob which can be operated by a user from the GUI and from the commandline
10:59 kivilahtio marcelr: And the database constraints I have require a user to be associated with the operation results
11:00 kivilahtio I could loose the DB constraints, or make a default commandline user
11:01 marcelr probably the second
11:01 kivilahtio then it would be easy to display the default commandline user as the operator/culprit
11:01 kivilahtio marcelr: this way the GUI behaves consistently
11:01 marcelr the combination of cron and GUI seems to be a nasty one often
11:01 kivilahtio marcelr: nothing nasty here, apart from the default cronjob user missing :)
11:02 kivilahtio marcelr: just curious if others have default users
11:03 kivilahtio marcelr: I was planning to set the default commandline user based on the followiung rules,
11:03 kivilahtio borrowernumber = 1, userid = 'koha', userid = 'admin' ??
11:03 kivilahtio I mean one of the above
11:03 marcelr a null or 0 could imply admin too
11:03 kivilahtio but not sure if it will work for most of the libraries
11:03 kivilahtio hmm, true
11:03 marcelr i think that i see 0 in the koha log
11:04 marcelr modifiaction log etc
11:04 kivilahtio but if admin was a real user, then we could name him from the normal borrowers-module, to whatever localization we want
11:04 kivilahtio marcelr: hmm. I guess 0 is a good choice
11:04 marcelr we touch the whole admin user discussion here
11:04 kivilahtio yup
11:05 kivilahtio having the Admin-user in DB makes alot of sense for me, we could get rid of all the extra '0':es and the code needed to maintain the disparity
11:05 kivilahtio if we for some reason cannot find the admin-user in DB, then it is autocreated
11:06 kivilahtio something like that
11:06 marcelr well start the discussion and have some patience :)
11:07 kivilahtio marcelr: haha, I have no patience
11:07 marcelr you need it here
11:07 kivilahtio marcelr: I need to get some test runs by tomorrow
11:07 kivilahtio patience wont help me keep up to my quota
11:07 marcelr but you like to upgrade too at some point in time..
11:07 kivilahtio marcelr: but I know what you mean. Thank you for tipping your ear!
11:07 marcelr ok
11:08 kivilahtio marcelr: we are targeting this summer to move from 3.16 to 3.24
11:08 marcelr great
11:08 kivilahtio marcelr: we are doing a lot of process improvements and rebasing a lot of code :)
11:08 marcelr the bad performance is a killer
11:08 kivilahtio marcelr: I agree
11:08 marcelr dbix
11:08 kivilahtio marcelr: that is the reason I am so hyped up about the REST API
11:09 kivilahtio marcelr: it still has poor performance?
11:09 marcelr 3.22 too
11:09 kivilahtio marcelr: we have a custom feature biblio_data_elements where we extract data in Zebra index to MariaDB, and i made comparison runs with DBIx vs DBI and DBIx was 7-times slower
11:09 marcelr yeah
11:10 kivilahtio marcelr: so it takes ~30minutes with DBI to go through all our bibliographic records and extract MARC data to a DB table, with DBIx... we couldnt really use it
11:10 kivilahtio marcelr: any ide awhy DBIx is so slow?
11:11 marcelr its loading everything
11:11 marcelr when you only need one table
11:11 kivilahtio marcelr: that is one issue, but it is not a biggie when we move to plack/Mojolicious
11:11 kivilahtio you only load it when you start the Mojolicious (or plack ) -daemon
11:12 marcelr we force each lib to plack now, and i fear that it will become an issue
11:12 kivilahtio but I dont understand why in one batch-job it takes 7 times more time
11:12 kivilahtio marcelr: memory leaks :)
11:12 marcelr probably
11:12 kivilahtio marcelr: luckily we have 128GB
11:12 marcelr thats why it will becvome a problem
11:12 kivilahtio I was planning to move to Mojolicious and leave the old CGI code running on Mojolicious_legacy and start refactoring stuff to Mojliicious
11:13 kivilahtio but the test suite needs to be improved to spot memory leaks
11:13 kivilahtio that is hard
11:13 marcelr yes
11:14 kivilahtio marcelr: strange thin in DBIx is that there is no caching
11:14 drojf anyone got experience setting up an oracle db server on recent debian? apparently that is the only way to use an oracle db dump :(
11:14 kivilahtio drojf: sorry
11:14 kivilahtio drojf: I have enough with just MAriaDB/MySQL and Ubuntu 14.04
11:14 drojf oracle--
11:14 kivilahtio I don't want any extr apain
11:14 drojf i understand ;) me neither
11:15 kivilahtio :)
11:15 drojf it may actually happen to me more often that i need it, so i consider setting up a vm once. on the other hand, i totally don't want to :P
11:16 kivilahtio marcelr: I ran the NYTProf on our script and it looks like DBIx actually loads all the tables many times during the batch run
11:16 kivilahtio marcelr: every time a new rsultset is fetched from the Koha::Object
11:17 kivilahtio drojf: yeah, you could juts intall a non-recent Debian :)
11:17 kivilahtio or use LXC?
11:17 kivilahtio drojf: we use LXC for everything, it freaking rocks
11:17 drojf the recentness is not my biggest concern. the db is ancient, an ancient debian would do. still there is the "set up oracle db server" part
11:18 kivilahtio drojf: I guess it is not done with apt-get install oracle-server ?
11:18 kivilahtio ;)
11:19 drojf more like this which i would go through if i knew it still works. the last changed date is promising, but i thought its worth asking here before
11:19 liw drojf, hi
11:20 drojf hi liw
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11:22 drojf liw: got an email this morning, doing the workshop in greece would be an option from the organizer's side. i hope to discuss it tomorrow so we can make plans. i will probably not get to it today, but working on it
11:22 liw drojf, that sounds cool
11:23 liw drojf, thank you :)
11:23 drojf yeah i think it will work one way or the other
11:23 drojf thank you :)
11:23 drojf marcelr: will you be in greece?
11:26 kivilahtio drojf: marcelr: any idea if there is a preconference?
11:26 kivilahtio Looks like I need to come ti Greece this year, and looking for trouble for the preconference weekend
11:27 drojf then i won't tell you where the preconference is ^^
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11:27 kivilahtio :)
11:28 kivilahtio drojf: But looks like the city regulations are tightening up and now you cannot even fly to another country except for precisely the dates in the agenda
11:28 drojf huh? from which side? your employer?
11:28 kivilahtio hence I was hoping there was some kind of a preconference
11:29 kivilahtio drojf: yes, they dont like it that other employees can fly to other countries, so they try to make life equally miserable for everybody
11:29 drojf lol
11:29 kivilahtio You have to pay the flights yourself if you want to take extra days off to enjoy Greece
11:29 drojf got to use a vpn, brb
11:30 kivilahtio hence I was asking ifthere is a preconference so I can cook up an official preconference invitation for them and arrive to Greece on the thursday/friday before the conference
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11:38 marcelr drojf: yes i come to greece
11:41 kivilahtio marcelr: he is gone already :(
11:41 marcelr np
11:41 cait @later tell drojf i know about someone coming to greece who would be interested to learn about packages
11:41 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
11:41 cait @later tell not me, will tell you more later :)
11:41 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
11:41 cait hm
11:41 cait @later tell drojf not me - but will tell you more later
11:41 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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11:44 cait hi oleonard
11:44 oleonard Hi
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11:44 drojf hm
11:45 drojf cait: ?
11:58 oleonard Bug 16314
11:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16314 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Hover text on upload file icon plugin incorrect
11:59 oleonard What setting is required to enable an 'upload' link on an 856 tag?
12:02 marcelr oleonard: upload is just a plugin like the others (technically)
12:02 oleonard Oh, so you have to enable it in the framework?
12:02 marcelr yes
12:04 oleonard I wonder what subfield
12:04 marcelr 856u
12:04 marcelr the plugin pasts an URL back in to that field
12:05 oleonard Ah, makes sense. Thanks marcelr
12:20 not hm
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12:26 marcelr hi not
12:26 marcelr not?
12:26 wahanui not is, like, maybe removed from my search
12:26 marcelr not already got away, wahanui
12:26 wahanui marcelr: huh?
12:27 marcelr yes
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12:34 nengard HA
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12:46 tcohen ¡buen día!
12:47 marcelr !hola tcohen
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13:04 magnuse ooh, look at that easy signoff on bug 16316 :-)
13:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16316 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Make it possible to limit patron search to surname
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13:15 oleonard magnuse: "Set "Search fields" = Surname and search for "doe". Neither "Doe John" nor "John Doe" should show up."
13:15 oleonard I don't understand that one.
13:17 * oleonard lives in constant fear lately that he will sign off on a bug only to find out mveron beat him to it
13:17 oleonard mveron++
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13:21 tcohen drojf: thanks for checking my patch
13:21 tcohen (bug 15263, which is key to performance boost)
13:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Signed Off , XSLT display fetches sysprefs for every result processed
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13:30 oleonard I honestly didn't think Bug 15883 was going to make it so quickly--if at all!
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15883 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Upgrade jQuery from v1.7.2 in the staff client
13:30 oleonard Thanks go jajm and Joubu for pushing me to figure out the best way to implement it.
13:30 drojf i'm a bit scared it did
13:31 drojf i thought we could do that somewhen after 16.05
13:32 * oleonard offers drojf a comforting blanket
13:33 tcohen drojf: don't you like adrenaline flowing through your nervous system?
13:33 marcelr tcohen: could you check if you have the same tests failing as bernardo in bug 16155 (some pass with me)
13:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16155 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Composite keys in TestBuilder and more
13:33 drojf tcohen: i had enough of that for today
13:33 tcohen marcelr: sure
13:33 marcelr thx
13:33 jajm it would have been safer to wait after release, but at least it's done :)
13:34 tcohen did bgkriegel mention in which env did he test?
13:34 marcelr no
13:34 tcohen i'll ask him
13:34 marcelr good
13:34 tcohen i would like to note, that master packages are older than v3.22.0
13:35 tcohen that means that you devs don't have koha-perldeps deal with CURRENT dependencies
13:35 marcelr o those devs
13:35 tcohen that could lead to things failing, of course
13:35 marcelr true
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13:36 marcelr in this case i imagine that a db structure that is not completely in good shape adds too
13:36 marcelr e.g. deletedborrowers
13:37 tcohen marcelr: exaplin?
13:37 marcelr if he missed some db revs somehow or a dbrev from testing or so
13:37 marcelr probaly the last
13:37 marcelr that could change things
13:37 tcohen that's probable
13:38 * tcohen goes test the bug
13:38 marcelr thx; will come back later
14:03 tcohen git-bisect++
14:06 oleonard git bisect + git blame = Law & Order
14:06 tcohen hahahahah
14:10 kivilahtio tcohen: ansible++
14:12 tcohen kivilahtio: ansible++
14:12 kivilahtio tcohen: thos it looks like it is proprietary software
14:13 tcohen kivilahtio: it isn't
14:13 tcohen they have the ansible tower thing
14:15 kivilahtio ok
14:15 kivilahtio tcohen: are you coming to KohaCon?
14:15 tcohen no :-/
14:15 tcohen will follow the action from cordoba
14:15 kivilahtio ok
14:15 kivilahtio sorry to hear that
14:16 tcohen yeah, several changes here keep me from going
14:17 kivilahtio tcohen: we never run out of things to do. Sometimes you just need to take a break :)
14:17 kivilahtio and come back to a falling empire
14:17 kivilahtio :)
14:17 tcohen =D
14:17 kivilahtio that happens to me all the time
14:17 tcohen if there's a marseille hackfest
14:17 tcohen on the second semester
14:17 tcohen i could try attending
14:18 kivilahtio ok ok
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14:37 geek_cl Hi folks, i have an borrowernumber that not receive notifications, where that patron have 107 value on days_due, the primary email is defined.
14:38 geek_cl days_overdue=107
14:39 kivilahtio geek_cl: we have had similar issues, occasionally the SMS service provider cannot send the SMS:es
14:39 kivilahtio geek_cl: how do you know the email was not sent?
14:39 geek_cl we use MTA , not SMS
14:40 geek_cl kivilahtio, "There is no record of any messages that have been sent to this patron."
14:40 geek_cl nothing in maillogs and messages_queue
14:40 kivilahtio geek_cl: the message_queue-table is emtpy?
14:40 kivilahtio for hte borrower
14:40 geek_cl kivilahtio, yes
14:40 kivilahtio geek_cl: and the borrower message attributes are properly configured?
14:40 kivilahtio geek_cl: can you send any email to the borrower?
14:41 kivilahtio geek_cl: if you set the borrower to receive email when he checks items out, do they get delivefered?
14:41 geek_cl the attributes are OK, and yes, i can send emails from the server
14:42 kivilahtio geek_cl: so echo "messagecontent" | sendmail -c '' works
14:42 kivilahtio Or a similar oneliner spell from the command line?
14:42 kivilahtio using sendmail postfix, ...
14:42 geek_cl kivilahtio, yes, by commandline works
14:42 kivilahtio geek_cl: Can you send anything to the Borrower from Koha?
14:43 geek_cl nope
14:43 kivilahtio geek_cl: does the errorlogs say anything?
14:43 geek_cl kivilahtio, nothing :/
14:44 kivilahtio geek_cl: sounds like you need a witcher
14:44 geek_cl kivilahtio, #koha-witcher
14:45 kivilahtio geek_cl: but you can send email to other borrowers?
14:45 geek_cl yes sir
14:46 kivilahtio geek_cl: maybe there is a magical invisible character in the borrowers email address
14:46 kivilahtio we have had those
14:46 geek_cl yeah, i checked that too
14:47 kivilahtio geek_cl: then I really don't see any other alternative than start debugging the cronjob
14:47 geek_cl hey, i found the reason:
14:47 geek_cl "i guess"
14:47 kivilahtio neat
14:47 kivilahtio what was it?
14:47 geek_cl /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/ : Invalid local time for date in time zone: America/Santiago
14:47 kivilahtio there is nobody in the #koha-witcher
14:48 kivilahtio geek_cl: btw, how do you moniotr your cronjobs?
14:48 kivilahtio geek_cl: do you collect the cronjob logs aomewhere?
14:48 geek_cl nop
14:49 kivilahtio did you know that if you set the to run every minute in the crontab, and if it takes more than one minute to complete sending all message_queue. Then the cronjobs starts a-new every minute and never stops spamming your customers with notices?
14:49 kivilahtio geek_cl: just curious if you want to protect yourself from that
14:50 geek_cl kivilahtio, ah  run every 10 minutes in my case
14:50 kivilahtio geek_cl: ok
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14:50 kivilahtio geek_cl: we lock and log cronjobs with this script
14:50 kivilahtio[…]c/
14:51 geek_cl kivilahtio, what about this : /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/ : Invalid local time for date in time zone: America/Santiago
14:51 kivilahtio geek_cl: I havent got the faintest idea, maybe your system locale is not set properly
14:51 geek_cl echo $TZ
14:51 geek_cl America/Santiago
14:52 kivilahtio geek_cl: sounds like something is wrong in C4::Context->tz() or DateTime
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14:52 kivilahtio geek_cl: I would start looking there
14:52 pianohacker good morning
14:52 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
14:52 kivilahtio good evening
14:52 wahanui evening is the time of day we all look forward too
14:53 geek_cl looks is DateTime
14:53 geek_cl o/
14:53 kivilahtio pianohacker: is anybody working with Rancor?
14:53 kivilahtio is is it past-season already?
14:56 oleonard kivilahtio: past-season?
14:57 geek_cl kivilahtio, how to check that things, C4::Context->tz() or DateTime ?
14:58 kivilahtio oleonard: :)
14:58 kivilahtio geek_cl: you need to start debugging the perl-code
14:58 kivilahtio geek_cl: start with perl -d misc/cronjobs/
14:58 geek_cl ok
14:59 kivilahtio geek_cl: or maybe somebody else can help you more. Maybe you can try emailing the mailing list
14:59 kivilahtio oleonard: I don't know if that is even English
14:59 kivilahtio past-season I mean
15:06 geek_cl kivilahtio,
15:08 kivilahtio geek_cl: I am sorry, I don't think I can help you with that
15:08 geek_cl kivilahtio, thanks
15:08 pianohacker kivilahtio: I'm slowly poking at some bugfixes, but active enhancements aren't moving very quickly at the moment
15:09 kivilahtio pianohacker: do you have a development branch somewhere, like in github?
15:10 kivilahtio pianohacker: we are planning to use Rancor as a national cataloguing tool. I would like to demo the newest version of it this summer
15:10 kivilahtio pianohacker: I mean as a national cataloguing tool for Koha-users in Finland :)
15:10 kivilahtio not as a national cataloguing tool for the whole of finland :)
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15:16 drojf how do we generate the blogposts for new releases? there are no 3.22.x postings after 3.22.1? is that something jajm has to do manually? (i suppose ot's done by a tool?)
15:16 drojf hm there are, but they miss some tags maybe?
15:19 drojf see vs
15:19 drojf and why are all the newsletters in there?
15:20 drojf categories 3.20.x postings has 3.20, Announcements, release as categories
15:21 drojf tcohen: you were rm, you should know? :)
15:22 tcohen it needs to be done manually
15:22 tcohen then you generate the release notes, need to specify that you also want the HTML ones
15:22 tcohen then copy and paste it in the community site
15:22 drojf so you have to set the tags somewhere?
15:22 drojf ah ok
15:23 drojf woah. i thought that would be done way more… automatic :P
15:23 tcohen i know fredericd contributed a markdown output version, not sure how it works now
15:23 kivilahtio life is analog drojf :)
15:23 tcohen but it wasn't automated enough
15:24 tcohen truth is that i always amended the release notes manually
15:24 tcohen before pushing/publishing
15:24 drojf meh
15:24 * drojf is underwhelmed
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15:25 drojf ok but thanks for explaining, then somebody with wordpress access has to fix the categories for a lot of stuff
15:25 drojf also we prominently list a beta version of 3.22
15:25 drojf
15:25 drojf Get Koha 3.22 beta
15:33 tcohen are you sure drojf ? maybe you didn't reload the page?
15:33 drojf tcohen: the last half year?
15:34 drojf :P
15:34 tcohen yeah
15:34 tcohen those fancy new browsers that cache stuff
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15:34 drojf have you tried it?
15:34 tcohen try reloading from time to time
15:34 drojf have you tired the link?
15:34 tcohen i'm sure the download page is correct
15:34 tcohen :-P
15:35 drojf heh i bet there is a timestamp somehwere
15:35 drojf and your name :P
15:35 tcohen :-P
15:35 drojf then have fun putting correct categories to the releases :)
15:36 tcohen i leave that to the release maintainers
15:36 tcohen .-D
15:37 drojf lol
15:38 drojf but thanks for fixing the first ;)
15:59 slef hi all
16:00 cait hi slef
16:04 slef Does anyone know how good koha is at fuzzy searching and what alternatives there are for when ICU is in use?
16:04 slef yes, it's near the end of the day and someone has thrown me a googly again so I ask here as well as digging :)
16:05 kivilahtio slef: not very good/efficient in my opinon
16:05 kivilahtio i think this is one reason why ElasticSearch is so important
16:05 kivilahtio slef: but fuzzy searching is not an easy topic
16:06 kivilahtio slef: I think the zebra-docs even warn against using fuzzy search. And there is a ridiculous amount of complexit thee when you merge mutliple search indexes to the mix
16:07 kivilahtio slef: also it depends on what you mean with fuzzy search?
16:08 slef kivilahtio: I think misspellings/typos is their main concern.
16:09 slef I think jcamins had some ambitions about this too but I've not been following his progress closely since the blog aggregator fell over.
16:10 cait what jcamins did is some features based on authorities
16:10 cait did you mean suggests for wider/narrower terms
16:10 cait and suggesting authorised terms for your search terms
16:10 cait so a bit different
16:11 kivilahtio cati think slef means Google-search where Google knows the most common search terms and suggests "did you mean this"
16:11 kivilahtio cait: sorry typoed your nick
16:11 cait yeah i know, - was referring to feature we already have :)
16:11 jcamins I wrote a framework for arbitrary Did you mean-style functionality.
16:11 cait hm true
16:12 jcamins And demonstrated it with the only use case that I cared about, which was authority-based.
16:12 kivilahtio jcamins: what is is based on?
16:12 cait i guess you could add a plugin using some api for suggestions?
16:12 jcamins kivilahtio: it's just a place you can stick code that implements a Did you mean service.
16:14 slef jcamins: so are you no longer appealing for money to develop it?
16:15 slef as in[…]earchrewrite.html
16:15 jcamins slef: that is correct.
16:15 jcamins I keep on meaning to update C & P's website.
16:16 slef I sympathise. I've at least five personal/internal sites to update, some of which have been waiting over a year.
16:16 jcamins All of mine have. :/
16:16 kivilahtio jcamins: slef: I am happy you are kept busy with paid work :)
16:17 slef kivilahtio: not only, sadly, but I'm not going to whinge here :)
16:17 jcamins kivilahtio: that is true.
16:17 jcamins Much better this way than the other way.
16:18 kivilahtio yeah. I wouldnt update wesites for free :)
16:18 slef I would but they mostly come after those I do get paid for :)
16:18 jcamins Actually, I just updated a website for free. But that was a three line change, and it was because it's a charity I volunteer for occasionally.
16:19 jcamins (I don't volunteer to do website updates, I volunteer to teach for them, and I was making a three-line change correcting the syllabus)
16:19 slef yes, my most-updated site is which is a volunteer project (and a blissful break for libraries)
16:19 slef from librareis, I mean
16:20 slef oh heck, it's the end of the day - did I mention that?
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16:20 nengard slef!!!!!!
16:20 wahanui slef is an item record
16:20 nengard nuh uh
16:20 oleonard wahanui: ??
16:20 wahanui i haven't a clue, oleonard
16:20 oleonard wahanui: slef is an authority record
16:20 wahanui ...but slef is probably busy so please use if you need him for work or but I don't want to say anything bad about him lest he smack me|an item record...
16:20 slef Well, it's right in that I'm ready to check out...
16:20 jcamins I am really curious how wahanui learned that.
16:20 nengard ha ha
16:20 nengard well nice to see you
16:21 slef bah and I look at that website and trev has misfiled some stuff
16:21 slef you just can't get the librarians any more :)
16:21 slef nice to see you too
16:21 slef I've not been here late often lately
16:22 * slef logs in and quickly refiles some stuff and updates the logo to the correct one too
16:22 kivilahtio no place like #koha
16:22 kivilahtio slef: have you participated to Cycling 4 Libraries?
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16:23 kivilahtio slef: not sure if that is a big phenomenom, but in Finland we had such an event where Finnish librarians bicycled from Helsinki to Germany
16:24 slef kivilahtio: I've seen it but it's never quite at the right time for me. Also, my cycling so far has been day trips only and not multi-day tours.
16:24 slef There is also BEMI which is cycling to some Esperanto event.  Maybe one day.
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16:25 kivilahtio Esperanto is an interesting concept
16:26 kivilahtio so is
16:26 kivilahtio
16:27 slef hmm, might work better than my habit of posting the republican flag when they start on with the union one :)
16:28 slef (blue/white/green horizontal tricolour, in case you ever see it)
16:28 slef (that's sky blue, too)
16:31 kivilahtio Geralt is calling me. Need to find Triss
16:32 oleonard Ha. Just discovered my first jQuery upgrade bug.
16:34 kivilahtio oleonard: really?
16:34 wahanui i heard really was more trouble than she's worth.
16:35 kivilahtio I didn't know they exist
16:35 oleonard Might be a case where previous versions were lest strict about syntax? I don't know.
16:35 oleonard $(this+":checked").val()
16:36 slef bbl (but maybe only to say goodbye :) )
16:37 oleonard Bug 16321
16:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16321 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , 'Show all details' checkbox triggers JS error after jQuery upgrade
16:37 kivilahtio oleonard: looks wrong
16:38 kivilahtio or does this really stringify as a css-selector?
16:38 kivilahtio where this is presumably a HTMLElement ?
16:38 oleonard It used to work, now it doesn't. Simple fix though.
16:39 oleonard Ambiguity about jQuery's $(this) and JavaScript's this
16:41 jcamins oleonard: the fact that ever works is very scary.
16:41 gaetan_B bye
16:41 kivilahtio I cast this to self (old habits, old habits)
16:41 oleonard Scary JavaScript Stories to Tell in the Dark
16:41 kivilahtio if having closures inside closutes
16:48 kivilahtio speaking of javascript. Have you checked out Jasmine BDD yet?
16:48 kivilahtio I have been writing my first javascript tests for Koha with
16:49 kivilahtio but I have very limited experience with front-end testing
16:49 kivilahtio JAsmine works really well with the REST API
16:49 kivilahtio I guess all the frameworks do :)
16:56 jcamins kivilahtio: I usually use mocha/chai.
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18:00 magnuse oleonard: thanks for catching my lack of logic on bug 16316
18:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16316 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Make it possible to limit patron search to surname
18:00 oleonard Sure, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something
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18:10 magnuse oleonard++ thanks a bunch!
18:10 magnuse (does that sound ironic? not meant to be :-)
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18:21 drojf with ubuntu 16.04 here, do we drop 14.04 support?
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18:47 magnuse drojf: not without a bit of a warning, perhaps?
18:48 drojf magnuse: i think it works anyway, probably better than older debians. i only meant the statement we have that was something like "the most recent LTS of ubuntu)
18:49 drojf maybe recommend fits better than support
18:49 drojf it wont suddenly stop working on 14.04 i guess :)
18:50 magnuse drojf: true, of course :-)
18:50 magnuse trying to set up an instance with https. i have a full https url in  OpacFavicon. On the front page etc that works without any problems, but search result pages uses the old http url that used to be in  OpacFavicon. why?
18:50 drojf is there apache 2.4 for 14.04?
18:51 drojf magnuse: i think there was a bug about that long ago?
18:51 bag morning
18:51 drojf hm maybe not
18:51 drojf hi bag
18:51 magnuse bag: HI
18:52 bag magnuse: HI there
18:52 wahanui hello, bag
18:54 magnuse knuckleses!
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18:58 andreashm hi #koha
18:59 magnuse kia ora andreashm
19:00 andreashm hej magnuse
19:00 magnuse emptying OpacFavicon, reloading the page, filling OpacFavicon back in and reloading again seems to have solved it - some kind of caching issue perhaps
19:06 magnuse andreashm: found any nice swiss cheese yet?
19:07 andreashm magnuse: lots of it. cheese cheese cheese!
19:08 andreashm magnuse: what's up in the norht? saw you mention something about snow in the logs?
19:09 andreashm was there a dev meeting yesterday?
19:12 magnuse yeah, we had something very similar to snow this morning
19:12 magnuse @wunder boo
19:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:50 PM CEST on April 21, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
19:12 magnuse and yes there was a dev meeting yesterdays
19:13 magnuse http://meetings.koha-community[…]20-15.07.log.html
19:13 magnuse http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-20-15.07.html
19:13 magnuse lots of cheese sounds perfect!
19:14 andreashm magnuse: yeah, thanks, just found it in the logs.
19:15 andreashm magnuse: lots of chocolate and cakes, as well. and fruit flavored beer. I'm actually starting to like that, which is somewhat scary. =)
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19:16 nuentoter hello!, quick question when doing a batch item edit, i can upload a file. how can this file be created by koha?
19:17 andreashm Anyone up for some testing? Bug 15534 apparently needs another sign-off.
19:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15534 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to prevent a patron from placing a hold on a record with available items
19:17 magnuse nuentoter: with a report, perhaps?
19:19 nuentoter after importing everything (which required some heavy editing to work [uugghhh]) realized I omitted to add the library code to any of my items. This results in nothing being able to be checked out.
19:19 magnuse nuentoter: do you mean 952a and b?
19:20 nuentoter yup
19:20 magnuse a.k.a. homebranch and holdingbranch
19:20 magnuse nuentoter: do you have more than one library?
19:20 nuentoter no just the one
19:20 magnuse are you comfortable with doing things on the commend line?
19:20 nuentoter yup
19:20 nuentoter tell me there is an easier way lol :)
19:20 magnuse are you on a package install?
19:21 nuentoter yup
19:21 magnuse then you can do "sudo koha-mysql <yourinstance>"
19:22 magnuse and then "UPDATE items SET homebranch = X AND holdingbranch = X" where X is the library code of your library
19:22 magnuse that should do it, i think
19:22 nuentoter oh nice! im starting up the server right now.
19:22 magnuse and then reindex with "sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v <yourinstance>"
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19:28 * andreashm_ is back
19:29 andreashm_ heh
19:30 magnuse ooh, a clone?
19:30 wahanui hmmm... a clone is probably my best bet (simplest and quickest)
19:31 magnuse bug 14957
19:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14957 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin, Patch doesn't apply , Write protecting MARC fields based on source of import
19:34 andreashm_ That's a nice one.
19:35 andreashm_ If it should manage to be updated
19:36 andreashm_ I looked at it earlier today actually as there is a Swedish library who wants that functinality. I think you can guess which one magnuse! =)
19:36 magnuse hehe, possibly :-)
19:37 magnuse the conflicts don't look too bad i think, but it's getting too late for me today
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19:40 magnuse kia ora cait
19:41 magnuse cheers mario!
19:43 mario thank you magnuse
19:55 andreashm_ I really hope the REST API stuff manages to get passed QA before feature freeze. Just one more week right?
19:58 magnuse yeah, 28th is the deadline, i think
19:59 * cait waves
19:59 bag yup 28th
20:02 andreashm_ tight call
20:02 andreashm_ should perhaps send cookies to the QA team?
20:02 magnuse that won't hurt
20:03 andreashm_ or swiss chesse
20:03 andreashm_ or maybe not.
20:03 andreashm_ might get smelly.
20:03 bag yeah rip prince
20:03 * magnuse would do extra work for swiss cheese
20:03 bag andreashm_: bug pianohacker to QA it ;) (if it wasn’t a bywater signoff previously)
20:04 * cait supports that idea
20:04 bag sorry s/signoff/QA
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20:06 andreashm_ bag: will do!
20:08 drojf i tried to recruit a new developer, if he actually joins irc someone has to walk him through kohadevbox :P … tcohen ;)
20:09 andreashm_ drojf: saw that on the mailing list. nice
20:09 drojf if he is able to fix a problem in code i hope he won't be afraid of git
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20:38 * magnuse runs out of battery
20:38 andreashm_ battery?
20:38 wahanui battery is holding down like a champ. think I'm going to make it!
20:39 * cait has run out of battery some time ago
20:39 nuentoter thats what peanut butter and chocolate are for!
20:40 andreashm_ cheese and chocolate!
20:40 andreashm_ together!
20:40 andreashm_ (or not)
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20:41 cait hmm i'd love some chocolate
20:43 nuentoter for a long time i would make grilled cheese and peanut butter sandwiches for midnight fuel
20:44 cait stop making me hungry for things that are not availavle
20:44 andreashm_ hehe
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21:15 jcamins cait: I'm about to make more horseradish.
21:16 cait ?
21:16 cait how are yo umaking more? growing it?
21:16 jcamins lol
21:16 jcamins Grating it and putting it in vinegar.
21:18 cait ah
21:18 cait interesting
21:18 wahanui interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:19 bag wear a snorkle and mask - and have a fan blowing across you jcamins :P
21:19 bag that’s what my dad used to do
21:31 jcamins bag: ohgodohgodohgodohgod.
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22:56 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:56 mtompset @seen kidclamp
22:56 huginn mtompset: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 49 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <kidclamp> following you out
22:57 mtompset @seen kidclamp_away
22:57 huginn mtompset: I have not seen kidclamp_away.
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23:07 drojf good night #koha
23:14 bag @later tell rangi can you add this bug 16248  to the ES branch?
23:14 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
23:28 kidclamp mtompset?
23:28 wahanui mtompset is catching up on his other coding projects.
23:31 mtompset There you is.
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23:32 kidclamp I never go too far
23:32 mtompset kidclamp: It is ready.
23:32 kidclamp I saw, applied and testing as we speak
23:32 mtompset There is even staff filtering slightly. :)
23:33 mtompset BTW, I hate GetISBDView. :)
23:37 kidclamp hey! where'd all the record info go! :-)
23:43 mtompset Exactly!
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23:44 kidclamp mtompset++
23:46 mtompset :)
23:46 mtompset There is still 2-5% to polish it completely, but for the scope of the bug: detail pages, it is good to go. :)
23:47 kidclamp It is a pretty drastic increase
23:47 kidclamp not that most will hide all, but it hits a ton
23:47 mtompset I'm surprised no one actually complained about the failure to hide properly.
23:48 mtompset We have those pretty check boxes in the framework advanced section for a reason.
23:48 kidclamp i mean, the flagged option does ???? and complaints are rare
23:49 mtompset from what I can tell it's a hide it all now!
23:49 mtompset it really isn't documented.
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23:49 mtompset Those comments I put into the filter code are the best documentation I did find.
23:50 mtompset I bet you didn't know the -9 and 9 are future reserved, did you?
23:50 * wizzyrea did
23:50 mtompset :P Show off!
23:50 kidclamp reserved for what?
23:50 mtompset nobody knows!
23:50 wizzyrea whatever might be necessary :P
23:50 kidclamp zombie apocalypse
23:51 wizzyrea I remember when you had to actually know the numbers for the hiding.
23:51 kidclamp marc will save us, everyone will finally understand why we keep it around
23:51 mtompset wizzyrea: Careful, you might date yourself. ;)
23:52 wizzyrea I think I've had an installed Koha since version 2.2
23:52 wizzyrea (but didn't use the 2.2 one, it was only for testing)
23:52 * bag started with 2.2
23:53 mtompset kidclamp++ # thanks for the sign off.
23:53 bag my favorite release is 3.4 :D
23:53 mtompset jcamins and I will always have 3.6.3
23:53 * wizzyrea doesn't have a favourite
23:53 kidclamp np mtompset
23:53 bag well then it should be 3.4 ;)
23:54 kidclamp my favorite is the one with FRBR
23:54 mtompset Actually, the GUI for Koha was really starting to improve by 3.8
23:55 wizzyrea oh true, I do like the one where we got the bootstrap opac.
23:55 wizzyrea 3.14 maybe?
23:55 wizzyrea Pi. Pi was my favourite.
23:55 mtompset Pi is wrong....
23:55 mtompset Tau is better. :P
23:55 wizzyrea pedant.
23:55 bag Koha 3.4.0 is released in memoriam of Elizabeth Mae Gallagher-Mitchell
23:55 bag Haere. Mōu tai ata; mōku tai ahiahi
23:56 mtompset Oh, a relative?
23:56 bag my daughter
23:57 mtompset You'll always have 3.4.0 -- condolences.
23:58 bag yup - my favorite

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