IRC log for #koha, 2016-04-22

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00:00 mtompset bag, is there a translation of that Maori phrase? Google translate fails.
00:01 kidclamp "Go your way. The morning tide is for you; the evening tide is for me. Death is inevitable and is everyone's destiny"
00:01 bag I can only do it injustice when I repeat it.  It’s something like..  I send you away from these shores (iirc)
00:01 kidclamp from irc logs
00:01 bag ah yes!  what kidclamp said
00:07 mtompset @quote random
00:07 huginn mtompset: Quote #302: "Cait: it's all part of our secret plan... the more people know about Koha, the more can they help each other" (added by wizzyrea at 09:19 PM, March 16, 2014)
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00:14 mtompset kidclamp: Want an easier sign off to test? My PEGI15 bug has been sitting for ages.
00:14 mtompset I should see if it still applies.
00:14 kidclamp number?
00:14 wahanui number is going down too fast
00:15 mtompset bug 14362
00:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14362 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , PEGI 15 Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers test fails
00:15 mtompset It will fail in 45+ minutes naturally.
00:15 mtompset (eastern timezone)
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00:21 mtompset basically apply the test portion of the patch -- test... fails... apply the other part -- test... pass...
00:21 mtompset granted you may wish to install libtime-fake-perl :)
00:21 kidclamp so need to wait 45 mins to test mtompset?
00:22 mtompset not if you install libtime-fake-perl
00:22 kidclamp heh, I will run it in 45, arond for a bit, if I can do easy i will do
00:23 mtompset it's a matter of the Today macro giving a different date that Date::Time->today->ymd()
00:23 mtompset because of the timezone.
00:24 mtompset oh, it fails now.
00:24 mtompset I forgot DST.
00:26 mtompset prove t/Circulation/AgeRestrictionMarkers.t
00:27 kidclamp passing for me right now
00:27 mtompset really?
00:27 wahanui somebody said really was more trouble than she's worth.
00:27 mtompset off master?
00:27 mtompset what timezone are you in?
00:27 * kidclamp shrugs
00:27 bag all of them
00:28 kidclamp Eastern
00:28 kidclamp VT
00:28 mtompset sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
00:29 mtompset Tell me your settings.
00:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15757 [QA Followup] - Having EDI configured will make unit tests fail <[…]635d90a2b209e668a> / Bug 15757: Make GetLoanLength defaults to 0 instead of 21 <[…]f69077962a8f2429d> / Bug 15757: Make issuelength default to null instead of 0 <http://git.koha-com
00:29 mtompset I'm set to America/Toronto
00:29 kidclamp America/New York
00:30 kidclamp hah, I need to install time fake
00:30 kidclamp -v
00:30 mtompset No... it should fail normally now.
00:30 mtompset Change it to America/Toronto.
00:30 wahanui mtompset: that doesn't look right
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00:30 mtompset See the failure.
00:30 mtompset I changed to America/New York and did not.
00:31 kidclamp oh, ha, don't apply bug first
00:31 mtompset even STRANGER!
00:31 mtompset Exactly what I mean.
00:31 kidclamp your patch fixed it
00:31 kidclamp I just jumped ahead and wasn't reading test plan and giving full attention
00:32 mtompset Current default time zone: 'America/New_York'
00:32 mtompset Local time is now:      Thu Apr 21 20:31:28 EDT 2016.
00:32 mtompset Universal Time is now:  Fri Apr 22 00:31:28 UTC 2016.
00:32 mtompset It these scenarios where the day is different that causes the bug. :)
00:33 kidclamp I did clear a tiny comflict in dependencies
00:35 mtompset I was going to post a rebase, but if you did that, that's fine. :)
00:35 kidclamp if it had been any harder
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00:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15930: Make patron searches defaulting on 'contain' <[…]d6175b66bf1bfa4ab>
00:46 * oleonard has opinions
00:48 kidclamp mostly good ones
00:50 bag heya oleonard
00:50 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
00:50 bag so what was that project that had you distracted from koha for so long?
00:51 oleonard A conversion of from Drupal to WordPress.
00:51 bag ah
00:52 oleonard Not terribly exciting, but time-consuming!
00:52 bag heh
00:52 bag well always happy to see oleonard
00:53 oleonard Very happy to be here.
00:59 mtompset oleonard! I was just thinking about you. Though, I can't remember why.
00:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12663: (QA followup) <[…]f7bbab348def71f7c> / Bug 12663 - SCOUserCSS and SCOUserJS ignored on selfcheck login page <[…]5e8da6417cf9ed682> / Bug 12787 [QA Followup] - Retain change to Reports_Guided.t <[…]?p=koha.git;a=com
00:59 oleonard mtompset, you probably overheard someone being opinionated about buttons.
01:00 mtompset no no... it was related to bugzilla and bugs somehow.
01:00 mtompset wasn't trigger by others.
01:06 mtompset No... scrolled back.
01:06 mtompset Now I remember.
01:06 mtompset oleonard: When was bootstrap added to Koha?
01:06 mtompset which version?
01:06 wahanui which version is recommended?
01:07 oleonard I don't remember mtompset
01:07 oleonard Why?
01:08 bag about 3.6 or 3.8 iirc
01:11 wizzyrea bag no way
01:11 wizzyrea we had CCSR in 3.8
01:12 oleonard mtompset, OPAC or staff client?
01:12 mtompset staff, I think.
01:13 wizzyrea we removed ccsr/prog in 3.18
01:14 wizzyrea I think we got bootstrap for the opac in 3.14
01:20 mtj hey doods, i recently re-remembered bootswatch
01:20 mtj
01:20 mtj ..would be nice to add that snazz to Koha
01:21 kidclamp aw heck yeah!
01:21 bag hey mtj
01:21 kidclamp rainbows and unicorns theme ftw
01:23 mtj i had a little play with it... its basically a oneliner to add to a bootstrapped page
01:23 oleonard I think we should take a more targeted approach to introducing some of that snazz
01:26 oleonard mtompset, FWIW it looks like the staff client at least *began* to have Bootstrap included in 3.12.0
01:26 wizzyrea bug 10309 was in 3.14
01:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
01:27 wizzyrea you probably laid some groundwork in 3.12
01:27 wizzyrea as you do. :)
01:28 * oleonard appreciates that bag is putting details about which version patches will be in when he comments in Bugzilla
01:28 bag that’s feedback from dani and barton
01:28 bag they could never datetime parse very well - I said no at first :P  but then said yes a few days later
01:28 mtj yep, its very useful info
01:29 oleonard It always bugged me too but I never thought of complaining. I'll have to try that.
01:29 * bag loves ideas thrown against the wall
01:29 bag the more the better - then you can pick the awesome ones
01:42 kidclamp night koha
02:02 wizzyrea there's a script you can run that will tell you
02:12 wizzyrea[…]ase_notes;hb=HEAD
02:13 wizzyrea ^ pipe the output of that to grep for the bug you want it will tell you which version it was included in
02:16 wizzyrea 3.14.010309 < for example
02:25 bag yeah that seems like extra steps ;)
02:25 wizzyrea bs
02:26 bag bs?
02:26 wahanui hmmm... bs is coming :D
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03:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5979: Update INSERT IGNORE INTO statement <[…]03a33dcdbfacd26bb> / Bug 5979 - Follow up: Change ISBD syspref description and fix warning in t/Biblio... <[…]9aa859735aff3623e> / Bug 5979: follow to fix spelling <
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03:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 1750 - Report bor_issues_top erroneous and truncated results. <[…]22782ac3af7a0ad0c> / DBRev update - Bug 5979 - Add separate OPACISBD system preference <[…]731e59adbe0546780>
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04:32 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha
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06:23 marcelr hi #koha
06:25 cait bbiab
06:27 * magnuse waves
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06:50 reiveune hello
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06:54 alex_a bonjour
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07:25 cait morning #koha
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07:26 gaetan_B hello
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07:28 * andreashm waves
07:30 andreashm so, where are the patches for adding to the hold functionality in the QA process?
07:30 andreashm Bug 15532 for instance has a QA follow-up added. what's the next step?
07:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15532 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to allow only items whose home/holding branch matches the hold's pickup branch to fill a given hold
07:31 andreashm And And bug 15533 has a patch added by jajm. It's still waiting for QA?
07:31 magnuse i think the qa team can "sign off" on qa followups?
07:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15533 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Allow patrons and librarians to select itemtype when placing hold
07:32 andreashm And finally, bug 15534 needs another sign-off. Anyone care to take a look?
07:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15534 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to prevent a patron from placing a hold on a record with available items
07:32 magnuse the "Signed Off" status should mean the patches are waiting for attention from the qa team
07:33 andreashm Sorry for spamming about this, but I'm trying to be efficient this morning while trying to feed my daugther porridge. =)
07:33 magnuse the occasional poke does not hurt :-)
07:34 andreashm @magnuse: yeah. but if it's been QA:ed and then had a follow up - is there a process for this? Or should I just wait gently in the boat? =)
07:34 huginn andreashm: downloading the Perl source
07:34 * andreashm is more like wawing a stick around than doing gentle pokes. Not enough time for that. =)
07:35 andreashm waving
07:35 cait hm
07:35 andreashm morning btw.
07:36 cait soeone tried to fill itemlost_on by mapping it to a marc field and import?
07:36 andreashm cait, magnuse etc.
07:36 cait they are all signed off
07:36 cait so it's qa's turn
07:36 cait i hope to get to test them - or hope someone else will in time
07:39 andreashm Great
07:40 * andreashm was unsure if 15532 was in qa or what it's status was (since there was a qa follwo-up added)
07:41 cait bug 15532
07:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15532 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to allow only items whose home/holding branch matches the hold's pickup branch to fill a given hold
07:41 andreashm that's me. stupid questions an not so gentle poking, all rolled up in one
07:42 cait please no poking, i am sore all over already
07:43 cait @later tell khall do you know if there is a way to fill itemlost_on on import? I tried mapping it to Q - but it doesn't get added. Tried 2015-01-01 and 2015-01-01 12:00:00. out of ideas.
07:43 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
07:51 andreashm ok, time to entertain the 11 month old. later #koha
08:35 jajm does someone have access to bug 15111 ? cait maybe ?
08:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15111 is not accessible.
08:44 kivilahtio jcamins: I picked Jasmine because it was said to be much easier to get started with than Mocha/Chai
08:44 kivilahtio jcamins: tho I am not sure if that is the case. Jasmine is missing a commandline test runner
09:08 alex_a jajm: no. I'm not authorized
09:08 alex_a May be a secret bug :)
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10:45 cait marcelr++
10:45 cait jajm: checking
10:46 cait jajm: are you logged into bugzilla?
10:46 cait you are on the list to see it
10:46 jajm cait, marcel gave me access it's ok :)
10:46 jajm thanks
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11:10 cait ah good
11:10 cait maybe contact rangi - he might be able to put you on the list internally, so you get automatically added
11:10 cait it makes a lot of sense for rmaint :)
11:18 cait jajm: i still have to finish routing lists - but i am on it
11:18 cait possibly beginning next week
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11:50 oleonard Hi #koha
12:00 magnuse kia ora oleonard
12:10 barton morning oleonard!
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12:28 tcohen morning #koha
12:30 tcohen hi cait
12:31 oleonard So it's Friday, what are we doing today, nothing?
12:31 magnuse pizza!
12:32 * tcohen might re-test ES patchset
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12:33 oleonard Okay magnuse but we're going to add another 1000 bugs while you're making it.
12:35 nengard no no no no
12:36 nengard bugs are for squashing not for making
12:36 oleonard Oh wait no magnuse, nengard is not down for pizza.
12:36 nengard yes pizza
12:36 nengard no bugs
12:36 nengard :)
12:36 oleonard I don't know I hear crickets are all the rage with the foodies these days.
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12:48 magnuse pizza > bugs
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13:00 drojf hi #koha
13:00 nengard ewww oleonard
13:03 oleonard Anyone need an easy Friday signoff? Bug 16238
13:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16238 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQuery in staff client: use .prop() instead of .attr()
13:04 oleonard I just added a patch that is whitespace changes only
13:07 drojf lol
13:08 drojf should be tested in a package install first
13:08 drojf with and without plack, with and without ES
13:09 tcohen jajm: are you available?
13:15 jajm tcohen, yep
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14:27 Alex_ Hi. Can someone help me with a question I have?
14:27 nengard maybe ;)
14:28 Alex_ :) When importing from a staged file. Does koha add items from the p82$b field?
14:29 Alex_ When selecting always add items in the items processing option
14:33 drojf p92?
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14:33 drojf err
14:33 drojf p82?
14:33 drojf koha expects item data in 952
14:34 oleonard drojf: Does Koha require it, or can you set it up differently in Koha to MARC mapping?
14:35 drojf oleonard: you probably can. i never tried.  i'd assume its usually easier to map it to 952 in your data before import
14:36 drojf p82 does not really sound like marc, so i don't think you can map that in koha. or its a typo?
14:39 Alex_ Really what we want is that when we get our full marc records from our vendor for our orders, when importing the mrc file koha adds say five items to the bib record automatically with ordered status. Is this possible?
14:41 kidclamp 952 shows up a lot in the code, I think it is hard coded
14:42 drojf you might want to have a look at the templates for marc modification
14:42 Alex_ Ok thanks everyone
14:43 drojf kidclamp: koha does not use 952 internally, items are in their own table. its only used for import and export. so if you get in in correctly once that should be ok
14:43 drojf have not tried moving item data with the templates but might be possible
14:45 eythian unimarc uses something other than 952 iirc.
14:46 Alex_ So for the "item processing: alwasys add items" option on the Manage staged Marc records tool it is drawing from the 952 field?
14:47 Alex_ For koha to recognize item data the 952 fields must be present in the .mrc file?
14:48 oleonard Alex_ are you using MARC21 or UNIMARC. Or something else?
14:49 Alex_ Marc21
14:49 oleonard And where is the item data in your MARC records?
14:50 Alex_ Our vendor puts the number of items they send us in the 090$y field
14:50 Alex_ So if we get 5 copies of the hobbit
14:51 Alex_ They put 5 as the value for 090$y
14:51 oleonard But what about the actual item data?
14:52 drojf i made a tiny survey for a workshop at the upcoming hackfests. if you are going please donate half a minute of your time and answer[…]hp/396251?lang=en
14:52 Alex_ We process items in house
14:52 kidclamp right drojf, not sure how up to date this still is, but import used to be tied to 952 it seems https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_fields_%289xx%29
14:52 Alex_ So the item data is added here
14:53 drojf kidclamp: at least i would not want to make it work with a different field. thats what modification templates are for
14:53 oleonard Alex_: Okay, and where do you put the item data?
14:55 kidclamp drojf - agreed
14:57 Alex_ Let me check
14:59 Alex_ Im not entirely sure. The marc record only shows 942$c or item type
15:00 oleonard What tool do you use to catalog, Alex_?
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15:01 Alex_ We add items to a bib  using koha. We add items by searching for a bib and using the new 》 item option.
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15:02 oleonard Alex_ if you do your cataloging within Koha why are you asking about importing records?
15:03 Alex_ Twell we import the initial bib record a mrc file we get from our vendor.
15:04 Alex_ The initial record r
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15:04 oleonard So where is the item data in those MARC records?
15:05 Alex_ It doesnt exust..
15:05 Alex_ Exist
15:05 Alex_ The system we use is unusual
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15:06 Alex_ What we'd like is for the item data to be there...but only the ordered status to be included
15:06 Alex_ For each physical book
15:07 oleonard Alex_ if the MARC data contains no item records how do you expect the items to be imported?
15:07 drojf Magic::MARC
15:08 Alex_ Yes..a gooď point. Our vendor puts the number of books in the 090$y field. This is not recognized by koha as the number of items.
15:09 oleonard Alex_ the number of items doesn't mean anything if there is no item data corresponding to that number
15:09 drojf no. because you would have to create items
15:09 drojf if they are not there
15:10 Alex_ i should tell them to include data in the 952 field?
15:10 Alex_ In the records they send us?
15:10 Alex_ Our vendor that is
15:12 oleonard Alex_ if you want items to be imported you have to import MARC records which contain item data.
15:12 oleonard And yes, 952 is recommended.
15:14 Alex_ Even if we have just one subfield not for loan...koha will recognize the item when importing the records via the mrc file we get from our vendor?
15:15 drojf you can't create an item by a not for loan field and nothing else
15:15 drojf koha expects at least the branch code and item type, also a barcode makes sense of its supposed to be on circulation
15:15 drojf *if
15:16 drojf ok its probably not going to be on circulation if its not for loan. anyway it does not make much sense to add an item with no information about it
15:16 oleonard Alex_ who do you get your MARC records from, if you don't mind my asking?
15:16 drojf i wanted to ask that too :)
15:18 Alex_ Our vendor recommended we automate the process but we have our process here...albeit an unusual one...where we do a lot of the work in house.
15:20 Alex_ The easiest just importing the records with no attached items and adding items..which is what we would do anyways. The only thing I really was curious about is if we could have empty item records attached with something like "ordered" status and nothing else until we manually filled in the rest.
15:21 Alex_ I know this seems strange.
15:23 oleonard Alex_: That seems like something you could ask your vendor to do. As far as I know Koha's MARC modification tools will not do that for you.
15:23 Alex_ Ok thank you oleonard. You  all have been a great help.
15:24 Alex_ Socratic method works.
15:27 oleonard You're welcome
15:28 drojf eythian: i had a look at the two debian packaging pages in the wiki. and i saw that yours uses build-git-snapshot too. i thought that was not for proper releases (i think it even says it in the file)
15:33 eythian drojf: the manual process I used didn't use that
15:34 drojf so… that on the wiki was the successor of the manual process?
15:34 eythian I don't know which page you're referring to there
15:35 drojf ah sorry
15:35 drojf https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_Debian_Packages
15:36 eythian yeah, so what I actually did was replace build-git-snapshot with 'git archive ...' and 'pdebuild ...'
15:36 eythian that way I could get the version stuff right.
15:37 eythian I always meant to make it into its own script, but never actually did.
15:37 drojf ah ok
15:38 drojf so you handcraftet releases. hehe
15:38 eythian yeah, problem was that doing it manually a couple of times per month didn't lend itself to spending hours writing and testing a script.
15:39 drojf yeah
15:40 eythian I used that script pasted there for doing the master releases though
15:46 tcohen what's wrong with build-git-snapshot?
15:48 eythian if you can talk it into doing the versions correctly, not really much. But a proper package building system should be used really.
15:48 * eythian goes away
15:49 tcohen then, what's wrong with the versions?
15:49 drojf and whats a proper package building system?
15:49 tcohen like picking the version from the tags or smth like that?
15:49 drojf so many questions! don't go away!!
15:51 tcohen i use build-git-snapshot monthly, for 3 branches
15:51 tcohen in my own repo, and didn't notice any issues
15:51 drojf lousy eythian having somwhere else to go on a friday evening
15:51 tcohen but maybe is just that i'm not following debian guidelines regarding versioning properly
15:51 * tcohen is sure about that
15:51 drojf that might very well be the case
15:52 tcohen what's that 3.22, 3.20 and master 'distributions' anyway?
15:52 drojf hm?
15:52 tcohen deb 3.22 main
15:53 tcohen deb master main
15:53 tcohen and so on
15:53 tcohen not really kosher
15:54 drojf i was wondering if that is ok when i saw your repo. because it would be nice to have other options than stable and oldstable, maybe. we may gave 3 or 4 branches that are maintained, but no packages for some of them
15:54 drojf *have
15:55 tcohen that train passed a couple years back
15:55 tcohen never convinced eythian
15:55 tcohen and that's why i wouldn't run for packaging manager
15:55 drojf eythian:  is gone :P
15:56 drojf because of oldstable and stable?
15:56 tcohen i'm not sure we should try so hard to have koha-common official in debian
15:56 tcohen i'm happy having the deps there
15:56 drojf we try?
15:56 tcohen of course
15:56 tcohen otherwise stable and oldstable is just non-sense
15:56 drojf who is trying what about it atm?
15:57 tcohen why forcing end-users into a major upgrade unless they know they need to change to oldstable to prevent it?
15:57 tcohen i like virtualbox's approach
15:57 tcohen have koha-3.22, koha-3.20 packages
15:57 drojf we don't force anybody, you have to make a dist-upgrade for that
15:58 tcohen and a koha package, that can be provided by either
15:58 tcohen drojf: that's only if there are dep changes
15:58 tcohen from another POV, you would be then preventing the end user from having regular monthly updates
15:59 tcohen unless they point their repo to oldstable
15:59 drojf well, if you want to run a server you have to take care of some things
16:00 tcohen well, why not change it so it is easier?
16:01 drojf not saying we shouldn't
16:01 drojf that was actually the point why i asked ;)
16:02 drojf i don't upgrade anyone to a xx.xx.0 release, so i have to change repos for every release
16:02 drojf plus the point of no packages for maintained releases > 2
16:03 drojf on the other hand, i am all for getting koha into debian
16:04 drojf i don't see it coming any time soon though
16:04 drojf no reason not to do things correctly. whatever that means exactly
16:04 drojf i hope a debian workshop will help to figure that out ;)
16:17 oleonard See you later #koha
16:20 drojf i should go home, but i'm too tired
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17:44 gilven hello, i was curious if there is a step by step installation guide somewhere for debian jessie? going through getting and setting up the dependencies
17:45 gilven and pre-requisites
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17:56 kidclamp gilven https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian
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20:41 cait Joubu: night shift?
20:44 bag hi cait
20:44 cait hi bag
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22:32 Nuentoter Question, I just finished setting up everything I need in koha on a test server, just installed koha on a production server, when I import the database, is it only records, items, and patrons? Will I need to setup library branch again and all that?
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22:35 oleonard Nuentoter, the database has all that
22:36 Nuentoter Ok cool,I stopped because I didn't want to do a bunch of stuff that would just be written over anyway. Is there anything that isn't imported?
22:37 oleonard Anything which is configured in files I suppose. koha-conf.xml or something like that.
22:47 Nuentoter Nice, hopefully will have koha up and running in daily use in the next week then. Can't wait! Can finally scrap spectrum/Winnebago and have something to show town council before end of fiscal year. They like it when I save the town's people done $$$
22:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16296 - Fix records displaying in virtualshelves <[…]7fabf07e9e91d3607> / Bug 16317 - Attempt to share private list results in error <[…]f658d4a43b8944f6c>
23:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16216: Circulation_Branch.t doesn't set itemtype for test data <[…]bb7d2c02e10f42a40> / Bug 16220 [Compiled CSS] The view tabs on are not responsive <[…]264b7ce4aa10b10ed> / Bug 16220 - The view tabs on are not responsive <ht
23:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12267: [QA Follow-up] Adjust installer files; tiny text edit <[…]3c764f3fd80f10cea> / Bug 12267: Remove borrower_attributes.password <[…]518a2978d2385ba14>
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23:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: DBREV Bug 12267 - Allow password option in Patron Attribute non functional <[…]79512a970db8d7e76>
23:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Missed $ in commit... <[…]cd961821add28557b>

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