IRC log for #koha, 2016-02-04

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00:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15684: Fix encoding issues with quote upload <[…]555acd41a17921de3>
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02:27 reza_ I am installing a fresh Koha and following the instruction here https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]e_a_Koha_instance
02:28 reza_ it says if I am running MySQL sever on another server I have to follow three steps
02:28 reza_ I don't really understand the steps! I have to remove the koha-common.cnf and replace it with my.cnf???!!!
02:29 reza_ there is nothing on the net about installing Koha with a separate database server...
02:29 reza_ anyone to help?
02:35 reza_ all the installation instructions are assuming that I am installing on a local MySQL
02:35 reza_ even here:
02:35 reza_ https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Instance_Creation
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03:55 circ-user-GVMrv hello
03:55 circ-user-GVMrv i have install koha on my local
03:56 circ-user-GVMrv and i have a static ip from ISP
03:56 circ-user-GVMrv so anyone can help me how to host koha
03:56 circ-user-GVMrv in order to allow any one access from out side
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03:57 reza_ you don't want to use any domain name?
03:57 reza_ only IP address?
03:57 circ-user-GVMrv yes
03:57 circ-user-GVMrv i have an ip address from ISP
03:58 circ-user-GVMrv i want to acess from ip not from domain
03:58 reza_ did you assign your static IP address to the server?
03:58 circ-user-GVMrv not yet
03:58 circ-user-GVMrv how can i assign
03:58 circ-user-GVMrv ?
03:58 reza_ what OS are you using?
03:58 circ-user-GVMrv cos i am new to koha
03:58 circ-user-GVMrv debian
03:58 circ-user-GVMrv currenly we can access from local
03:59 circ-user-GVMrv intranet
03:59 wahanui i heard intranet was completly unusable with it
03:59 circ-user-GVMrv yes
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03:59 reza_ for details on how to assign IP address on debian look at  man interfaces
04:00 reza_ edit /etc/network/interdaces
04:01 reza_ if you are using eth0 follow this:
04:01 reza_ auto eth0
04:01 reza_ iface eth0 inet static
04:01 reza_ address
04:01 reza_ netmask
04:01 reza_ gateway
04:01 reza_ example
04:01 reza_ :D
04:02 circ-user-GVMrv i see
04:02 reza_ for DNS settings edit the file /etc/resolv.conf
04:02 circ-user-GVMrv but if i set ip on tis
04:02 circ-user-GVMrv i can access koha from intenet only
04:02 circ-user-GVMrv how about local
04:02 wahanui i think local is good though.. has it's benefits over remote..
04:02 reza_ and add your name server
04:02 circ-user-GVMrv since our static from isp is different from our local
04:04 reza_ that is just an example
04:05 circ-user-GVMrv do its work for you ?
04:06 reza_ change the addresses to your ones. but if you want to have a local and one public ip address follow this example:
04:06 wahanui reza_: that doesn't look right
04:06 reza_ auto lo
04:06 reza_ iface lo inet loopback
04:06 reza_ auto eth0
04:06 reza_ iface eth0 inet static
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04:06 reza_ address
04:06 reza_ netmask
04:06 reza_ gateway bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb
04:06 reza_ dns-nameservers ccc.ccc.ccc.ccc ddd.ddd.ddd.ddd eee.eee.eee.eee
04:06 reza_ dns-search
04:06 reza_ auto eth0:0
04:06 reza_ iface eth0:0 inet static
04:06 reza_ address fff.fff.fff.fff
04:06 reza_ netmask
04:07 circ-user-GVMrv ok
04:07 circ-user-GVMrv thank
04:07 reza_ Then you can run sudo ifup eth0:0 to bring it up
04:08 reza_ now I have a problem with my Koha. is anyone here to help?
04:09 reza_ I'm installing a fresh koha with remote database server. all the settings seems correct but i'm getting unavailable
04:09 reza_ Sorry!
04:09 reza_ The Koha site you are trying to access is currently unavailable, probably because of maintenance. This is not at all your fault, and we apologize for any inconvenience the downtime may cause you. Please check back in a while. We hope to get things back up soon.
04:11 reza_ I'm here for two days and no one is helping :(
04:13 rangi go to the staff interface reza_
04:14 rangi also, you are on the time of the day when 90% of the people are asleep, thats why the mailing list is probably a better place to ask that kind of question
04:16 rangi you will get that message on the opac because you havent run the webinstaller yet on the staff interface
04:17 * rangi goes back to his conference
04:51 reza_ I cannot access to the web installer as well. same issue...
04:54 rangi sounds like you have a problem with your apache config
04:55 rangi and that you are seeing the opac at both sites
04:55 rangi or you ran koha-disable (in which case you need to run koha-enable) but most likely its a dns/apache thing
04:56 onre would there be a different message if koha was unable to access the database?
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04:58 mtj onre: yes... perhaps a DBI error  ^
05:01 mtj hiya rangi, i hope you are having fun over there :0)
05:01 reza_ if I just want to point the koha to a new remote database (which contain a dump of local) how many files should I edit for database connection info?
05:02 reza_ besides koha-conf.xml
05:03 rangi thats all
05:04 reza_ so I guess my problem is not a database connection since all the settings are correct. It might be the apache config file.
05:04 rangi as long as it's ther right koha-conf.xml (under /etc/koha/sites/<your instance name>/
05:04 reza_ yeah. I have edited that.
05:04 onre have you made sure that the specified user can actually connect to the remote mysql instance?
05:04 rangi easy test
05:04 rangi sudo koha-mysql instancename
05:04 rangi if that works
05:05 rangi your config is fine
05:05 rangi and its apache/dns
05:07 reza_ yes
05:07 reza_ that works
05:07 reza_ i have commented the opac settings in the instance apache settings
05:08 rangi yeah its something with your virtual host settings, or your dns/hosts
05:08 reza_ to check if the intra side works or not
05:08 reza_ still getting the error. besides apache virtual host, is there any other settings that I need to change
05:09 rangi mtj: yep, interesting conference
05:09 rangi reza_: no
05:09 rangi try koha-enable instancename
05:09 rangi it wont do anything if it is already enabled
05:11 reza_ OMG, it was not enabled
05:11 reza_ aaaaaaaaa
05:11 reza_ but i have enabled it!!!
05:11 reza_ do i have to enable it every time I reboot?
05:11 mtj no ^
05:12 mtj $ sudo apachectl -S
05:12 mtj reza_: ..thats a handy command, for apache site debugging
05:12 reza_ and one more thing is I'm installing this new koha for and old version dumped database. besides kohaeupgrade-schema instancename     what shall i do?
05:13 reza_ oh, thanks.
05:16 mtj reza_:  there is nothing more to do :)
05:17 reza_ phew
05:18 reza_ I have an old koha running with 11k users
05:18 reza_ with lots of issues
05:20 mtj dcook, abouty?
05:20 mtj i was going to ask uou about bug 15035
05:20 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15035 is not accessible.
05:20 reza_ thank you guys mtj, onre and rangi
05:21 reza_ :)
05:21 mtj ... are you running it?
05:22 mtj reza_: what version is you old koha?, (just curious)
05:23 mtj s/you/your/
05:27 mtj rangi: interesting.. i bet :)
05:29 mtj
05:29 mtj ..i think this might be my fav. linuxconf talk, ever
05:30 mtj (for those that missed it)
05:30 Francesca sooooo hot
05:30 Francesca @wunder wlg
05:30 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (6:00 PM NZDT on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
05:30 mtj Francesca: i know, hey!
05:31 Francesca I know its summer and everything
05:31 Francesca but this is like melting kind of heat
05:32 reza_ I'm using 3.10.x
05:33 reza_ I'm getting some duplicate entry fail during the schema upgrade. is that OK?
05:49 mtj reza_: can you pastebin ?
05:55 reza_ Upgrade to done (Bug 10195: Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed)
05:55 reza_ DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't DROP 'isbn'; check that column/key exists [for Statement "ALTER TABLE biblioitems DROP INDEX isbn"] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/ line 8466.
05:55 reza_ DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't DROP 'issn'; check that column/key exists [for Statement "ALTER TABLE biblioitems DROP INDEX issn"] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/ line 8467.
05:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10195 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, CLOSED FIXED, Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed
05:55 reza_ DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry 'OpacCustomSearch' for key 'PRIMARY' [for Statement "
05:55 reza_ INSERT INTO systempreferences (variable,value) VALUES('OpacCustomSearch','');
05:55 reza_ "] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/ line 8847.
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07:39 mtj reza_:  you are probably OK, with those 3 errors
07:40 mtj i think after your isbn/issn errors, some new indexes were added
07:40 reza_ OK thanks, still processing my DB
07:41 reza_ Upgrade to done
07:41 mtj mysql> show index from biblioitems;
07:42 mtj you should have some isbn/issn indexes, showing
07:43 pastebot "mtj" at pasted "index" (16 lines) at
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07:46 June Hello
07:46 wahanui what's up, June
07:47 June :)
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07:49 * magnuse waves
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07:56 alex_a bonjour
07:56 wahanui what's up, alex_a
08:04 Joubu hi
08:04 wahanui what's up, Joubu
08:06 magnuse @wunder boo
08:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.21 in 989 hPa (Rising).
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08:10 June is there any KOHA training for developers and librarian that we can attend to have more understanding of it.
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08:10 gaetan_B hello
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08:23 cait morning #koha
08:25 Francesca hi
08:28 cait hi Francesca :)
08:28 Francesca hows it going :)
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08:29 reza_ koha-upgrade-schema is done now. I can login to the admin but in the opac site I'm getting unavailable error. should I change any setting after upgrade?
08:31 cait hm, usually it should work without having to do anything - and show a maintenance message until you are done I think
08:34 reza_ now I have tried to run the message queue cron job
08:34 reza_ and I'm getting this error: unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 346
08:34 reza_ and at the end of it: Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/ line 56.
08:37 cait how did you install koha?
08:37 reza_ package
08:37 cait ok
08:37 cait if you want to run the cronjobs manually, you shoudl use the koha-shell then
08:38 cait because it will set up the right environment variables for you - which is wat the error is about
08:39 reza_ oh, I was running the manual cron on 3.10. so it's different in new koha.
08:39 cait it's different in the packages because you can have multiple instances of koha running on the same codebase
08:39 cait so the paths are different for each
08:40 reza_ thats true
08:40 reza_ but now i'm getting a different error
08:40 reza_ connect to localhost failed (Connection refused)
08:40 reza_ connect to localhost failed
08:40 reza_ connect to localhost failed (Connection refused) no (more) retries!
08:40 reza_ at line 66.
08:41 cait eah i think you ahve another deeper problem
08:41 cait i'd work out why the opac is not reachable first
08:41 reza_ how can I figure it out
08:42 cait I am not sure, sorry
08:42 reza_ np ;)
08:42 cait you'd need to ask more of a sysadmin person
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09:16 reiveune hello
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09:45 cait hm no marcelr
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10:18 kidclamp Hi Joubu
10:18 * cait feels ignored :P
10:18 kidclamp Hi cait
10:18 cait hi kidclamp :)
10:18 kidclamp I had to bug Joubu about stuff, you were just not going to get bothered :p
10:19 kidclamp and wanted to see if he was around
10:19 cait just kidding :)
10:19 Joubu I am :)
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10:19 kidclamp Bug 15733 - Kyle actually split it in to 15734 and 15735
10:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15733 normal, P3, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Audio Alerts issues in master
10:19 kidclamp so now you have competing patches
10:20 Joubu erk, have not seen it
10:20 Joubu why did you open 2 bug reports? :à
10:20 Joubu :)
10:20 kidclamp and 15736 - I am terrible at naming things, so I would ask oleonard
10:20 kidclamp I opened 1 with 2 issues, he opened 2 with 1 issues (but neglected to close mine)
10:21 kidclamp but 15736 my thoughts would be 'HideItemsNotCheckedIn' or 'DisplayAllItemScannedAtCheckin'
10:21 Joubu ok marked 15733 as a dup
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10:22 drojf hi #koha
10:22 cait moin drojf
10:22 Joubu kidclamp: I am terrible at naming stuffs too, pref especially, that's why I have asked you :)
10:22 cait hm
10:22 cait showing not checked out in returns table...?
10:23 kidclamp yeah
10:23 cait ShowAllCheckins?
10:23 cait Display...
10:23 wahanui display is probably broken in a lot of places
10:23 cait hm
10:24 kidclamp that's the shortest so far :-)
10:24 * cait likes short :)
10:30 * Joubu likes explicit
10:32 cait :)
10:32 cait both are valid
10:36 kidclamp yeah, ask oleonard to weigh in, I think he also was bothered as much as I was
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11:05 cait @wunder Konstanz
11:05 huginn cait: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 3.0°C (11:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling).
11:05 cait it snowed this morning on my way to work
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11:09 drojf general strike in greece. i hope they sort it out until kohacon ;)
11:09 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:09 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (11:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
11:09 drojf meh
11:10 drojf i can't reproduce the bug(s) related to audio alerts. i dont get an error (nor an audio alert). is it supposed to work with the default alerts or do i have to add something special?
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11:19 * andreashm waves
11:19 drojf hi andreashm
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11:19 andreashm hi drojf
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11:20 lds hello
11:22 andreashm hi lds
11:22 lds andreashm: hi
11:31 Joubu In the acq module, with indbranch set to prevent and logged in with a non-superlibrarian user, I can change the delivery/billing places of a basket. Is it the expected behavior or a bug?
11:33 drojf i would not expect that
11:37 Joubu hum no, that's not the current behavior
11:39 Joubu I am able to search for invoices from another library
11:40 drojf indbranches has a lot of problems :(
11:41 drojf it would be really good to have that working in a reliable way
11:43 Joubu I am able to search for subscriptions from another library and create an order with it
11:43 Joubu drojf: I am not sure to know what are the expected behaviors actually
11:44 Joubu Is it as simple as "if the loggedin user is not superlibrarian, she/he cannot see any infos from other libraries"
11:45 drojf Joubu: i can't really say for the aqc module. i think it is not promised to have real separation in acq, but it woul dcertainly be desirable
11:46 drojf i think what is promised (and not working 100% either) is separation of all things related to user accounts. don't see accounts, don't see borrowing history and similar things from other branches
11:46 Joubu for instance, if you have the permission to change things in the admin area, should you be able to change everything?
11:48 drojf for the use cases i would have had lately, real separation would have been good in all areas, but allow search in opac and lending between branches. but i am sure others use the way it is for their workflow and want to keep oit
11:49 drojf it's really hard to tell. with koha, it seems like every bug is a feature to someone
11:50 Joubu heh, yes
11:50 Joubu cait maybe?
11:51 cait reading back
11:51 cait i thin if indepenent branches on and you don't hae the super* or all* permission
11:51 cait you should not be able to order other libraries subscriptions
11:52 cait or actually change any data of another library
11:52 cait intrdocuing a super* permission for acq might be a possibl way to fix without changing behaviour
11:53 Joubu cait: and what about the admin module?
11:53 cait Joubu: another thing for the sbuscription order search... why do we show the other subscription that you can't order from because you are at the wrong vendor - shoudl at least show the vendor you can order it from instead :)
11:54 cait hm i think admins is harder, because you need admins that can access everything in a global system...
11:54 cait maybe circulation conditions etc coudl be separated .... but i'd push that to the back and fix other problems first
11:54 Joubu cait: because it reuses an existing script I guess
11:54 cait in general we shoudl have separate permissions for the admin areas tho
11:55 cait i am trying to separate currencies currently and move them to acq
11:55 Joubu cait: actually I am remove subroutines from C4::Branch
11:55 cait hm?
11:55 Joubu moving them to Koha::Libraries
11:55 Joubu C4::Branch::GetBranches for instance, takes a "onlymine" parameter
11:56 Joubu if it's not given, all the libraries will be displayed
11:56 Joubu unless there is a if ( $indbranch ) just above
11:57 Joubu actually there are 10 different ways to display the libraries
11:57 Joubu and I am trying to normalise that
11:58 Joubu the problem is that I don't manage to identify the bug and the feature...
11:58 cait hm yeah
11:58 cait don't have an anser i think right now
11:59 cait it seems like independent branches should hide a lot of the branch selections...
12:00 Joubu k
12:00 Joubu I will try to identify the issues
12:00 cait but not all.... becasue you might allow pick-up at another branch or something like that?
12:01 cait sorry
12:18 andreashm pfff, why cant I seem to get the sandboxes to work? bah.
12:22 cait hm someone reported a problem yesterday too i think - are they not working at all or patches don't apply?
12:24 andreashm don't know, I have only tried one patch. (on several of the sandboxes)
12:25 andreashm can try another I guess
12:26 andreashm I can't get them to work at all. both biblibre and ptfs.
12:27 andreashm Humm... I guess this means that I really need to solve my problem with reindexing Zebra so I can use my kohadevbox again.
12:35 andreashm didn't I read somewhere that there was changes made that you would need to update git bz?
12:36 andreashm because now that doesn't seem to work
12:36 cait yes, you need to change your git bz config
12:37 cait it's in the instructions on the wiki now i think
12:37 cait because bugs is only https now
12:37 andreashm a that was it
12:37 Joubu This has been done by alex_a on BibLibre's sandboxes I guess
12:40 andreashm thanks cait! cait++
12:40 alex_a andreashm: What is the error on biblibre sandboxes ?
12:40 andreashm yup
12:41 andreashm can't apply patches
12:41 andreashm (I could be doing something wrong I guess)
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12:46 oleonard HI #koha
12:46 andreashm hi oleonard
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12:53 andreashm apparently the sandbox problem has to do with a new dependency that has no debian package. now I seem to have the same issue with my kohadevbox. any help on how to solve this? would be appreciated.
12:56 oleonard andreashm: drojf just attached a package to Bug 13618
12:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
12:59 magnuse drojf++
13:02 andreashm drojf++
13:02 liw does Koha have a friendly Debian developer to package and upload missing dependencies to Debian?
13:03 drojf if only we had a workshop about that :P
13:03 drojf jajm has uploaded it i think
13:04 andreashm alex_a++
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13:05 jajm it's not in Debian yet, but should be soon. if anyone want to help, join the pkg-perl group and see what has to be done here[…]/debian/changelog
13:06 oleonard jajm++
13:06 liw I can recommend joining the Debian Perl module packaging team and co-ordinating packaging efforts with them; they have Debian developers who sponsor uploads to Debian proper, which helps everyone
13:07 liw oh, what jajm said
13:08 magnuse jajm++
13:11 cait jajm++ liw++ :)
13:11 alex_a @all: All biblibre's sandboxes are fixed with the new template-stash-autoescaping dependency
13:11 huginn alex_a: I suck
13:12 drojf alex_a++
13:12 alex_a thanks lds
13:12 lds alex_a: your welcome
13:13 lds alex_a: and dont forget hello madame
13:14 alex_a lds: :)
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13:31 cait alex_a++
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14:07 drojf +1 for koha-us meeting in canada :D
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14:21 oleonard My "last seen before" report omitted items which had *never* been seen, which is why "Official Netscape Navigator 2.0 book" is still in Koha.
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14:26 drojf heh
14:31 cait oleonard: lol
14:41 drojf gotta go, later #koha
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15:19 kidclamp oleonard:bug 15736
15:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15736 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a preference to control whether all items should be shown in checked-in items list
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16:02 pianohacker yo
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16:36 Joubu bye #koha
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16:43 onre looking at my SRU source's logs, Koha is asking for SRU records like this: first, ask with maximumRecords 0 to find out total number, then query them one by one with maximumRecords 1 and incrementing startRecord
16:43 onre this causes a lot of requests
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17:16 NorbertDD Hey, UsageStatsCountry Germany or Deutschland?
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17:39 tcohen NorbertDD: Germany I presume
17:40 NorbertDD okay thx, now koha have one germany privat instance more :)
17:43 NorbertDD cait... https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15744 ich hoffe ich habe meinen ersten Bug richtig angelegt
17:43 huginn Bug 15744: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , GlobalSys: UsageStatsLibraryType German Text 2x "Firmenbibliothek"
17:44 cait i will switch from enh to minor - making it a bug instead of a feature :)
17:45 cait hm possibly only a translation error, i will have a look
17:46 NorbertDD okay, thx :) so i go home - the barcode scanner is coming today :)
17:49 cait have fun :)
18:31 gaetan_B bye
18:31 * magnuse waves
18:31 * bag knuckles
18:32 * magnuse knuckles back
18:39 * druthb looks at bag, and then just shakes her head.
18:39 * druthb waves to magnuse.
18:39 druthb You were on my mind last night, magnuse...made pizza. :)
18:40 bag huh? why would you shake your head at me?
18:40 druthb :P
18:40 bag magnuse and I have been knuckling for years!  :)
18:41 druthb I know.  I'm old, but memory is the *second* thing to go when you get old.
18:41 * bag shakes his head :P
18:43 druthb tsk.
18:43 * druthb is disappointed.
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18:46 * magnuse likes pizza
18:46 druthb :)
18:47 cait ?
18:48 druthb Mine was pretty tasty.  I cheated, though--these were on the recipe to use French bread for the base, but I used some lil loaves of Mexican bread from the market.  Sausage, mushrooms, olives, tomatoes, lotsa cheese.
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18:48 druthb cait:  ?
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18:52 magnuse druthb: bread for the base?
18:53 magnuse then i would seriously question if it can be called pizza, or if it is a hot cheese sandwich or something similar ;-)
18:54 * magnuse is not sure he can wait until after summer for the marseille cheese lunch...
18:54 druthb Fair 'nuf.  Billed as pizza, and uses a pizza sauce.  But no bread on top, so open-faced.
18:54 druthb But very tasty.
18:59 cait hm getting hungry now
19:05 magnuse druthb: sounds nice though, i'll refrain from further nitpicking :-)
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19:09 druthb :)
19:12 magnuse friday?
19:12 wahanui friday is pizzaday
19:12 magnuse w00t!
19:13 * magnuse can't help wondering what kidclamp had for lunch :-)
19:15 * magnuse wanders off
19:19 kidclamp magnuse: pork sandwich with melted cheddar and maple mustard and a small cup of chicken noodle soup
19:26 eythian No wahanui, Thursday is pizza day
19:27 oleonard Thursday?
19:27 wahanui Thursday is pizza day
19:27 oleonard Wednesday?
19:27 wahanui hmmm... Wednesday is fine for me
19:27 oleonard Tuesday?
19:27 wahanui Tuesday is good too
19:27 oleonard Monday?
19:27 wahanui Monday is better
19:27 oleonard Sunday?
19:27 oleonard Saturday?
19:27 wahanui Saturday is probably going to be quiet.
19:28 oleonard today?
19:28 wahanui today is Friday
19:28 oleonard tomorrow?
19:28 wahanui tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today.
19:30 oleonard Now that that's settled...
19:30 * druthb draws her knife, and watches wahanui closely.
19:31 druthb darn thing is getting clever.
19:32 oleonard Clever? wahanui doesn't know what day it is, and blithely tells us that Monday is better than something!
19:32 oleonard Better than what wahanui ?!
19:33 druthb but it knows that tomorrow is pizza friday!
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19:50 liz talljoy about?
19:50 liz cldarly no ;)
19:50 liz clearly
19:51 gmcharlt nor cedarly ;)
19:51 wizzyrea_ hi :)
19:51 gmcharlt howdy
19:52 oleonard Hi wizzyrea and gmcharlt
19:53 wizzyrea_ hi oleonard
19:55 wizzyrea_ how is everyone today?
19:56 eythian Hi wizzyrea or wizzyrea_. But not both.
19:57 wizzyrea_ :)
19:57 wizzyrea_ I'm not sure the world would actually be keen on two of me
19:58 oleonard Sorry I can't stay and chat wizzyrea. I'm off.
19:58 oleonard Bye all
19:58 wizzyrea_ later oleonard
19:58 eythian It would be very confusing for trea
19:58 wizzyrea_ confusing might not be the word he'd use >.>
19:59 * wizzyrea_ runs exactly away from that conversation
19:59 wizzyrea_ the neighbours chooks are very cheerful today, squawking up a storm
19:59 wizzyrea_ happy squawking, not alarmed squawking
20:00 eythian Why are you home/why does Catalyst have chickens for neighbours?
20:01 wizzyrea_ I have had the worst ever pink eye, and the doctor told me to stay home
20:01 wizzyrea_ it's almost better, I'll be back next week
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20:01 eythian Ug fair enough
20:01 wizzyrea_ I couldn't work at all last week because it was so bad, and I was told to "stay at home or risk your whole office getting it" this week
20:02 wizzyrea_ so, uh, I've been working from home
20:02 wizzyrea_ yeah, tmi I know
20:02 eythian This wouldn't be a problem if everyone wasn't licking eyeballs all the time
20:02 wizzyrea_ hehe
20:02 wizzyrea_ crazy catalystas.
20:02 wizzyrea_ more just that it's crazy infectious
20:04 wizzyrea_ how are you? things going alright?
20:07 eythian Yeah, things are pretty good.
20:07 eythian Amsterdam is nice.
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20:09 wizzyrea_ @wunder Amsterdam
20:09 huginn wizzyrea_: Error: No such location could be found.
20:10 wizzyrea_ doh
20:10 wizzyrea_ @wunder wlg
20:10 huginn wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 05, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
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20:10 wizzyrea_ ^ you are lucky to be missing out on this one
20:10 wizzyrea_ it has been so hot this week
20:10 eythian So I've heard
20:10 eythian @wunder ams
20:10 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 5.7°C (8:30 PM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
20:10 wizzyrea_ see that's too cold though ^.6
20:11 eythian Yeah
20:11 wizzyrea_ there is no winning here.
20:11 wizzyrea_ niwa says it's going to be warm and settled for another month or so
20:11 eythian That's actually pretty cold for his it's been, though it is 9pm
20:11 eythian How
20:12 wizzyrea_ el nino, I guess
20:12 wizzyrea_ i mean regarding our weather, not necessarily yorus
20:12 wizzyrea_ jeez. can't type.
20:13 wizzyrea_ oh, I was looking for talljoy because I had a question about csvtomarc, but uh, the expert is kind of here
20:13 wizzyrea_ do you feel like answering a question about csvtomarc eythian? it's ok if you don't
20:13 eythian Yorus is an electric pronoun
20:13 wizzyrea_ unlike yaris, which is a car.
20:14 eythian wizzyrea_: try me, I make no promises
20:15 wizzyrea_ well I have a situation where the librarian wants things in item type x to have columns A and B comma separated in the same marc field. I see that you can combine things, but I am failing at understanding how (well, *if* even) csvtomarc can do that
20:16 wizzyrea_ and there are other situations where those same fields go in different fields
20:16 wizzyrea_ same columns, I mean
20:17 eythian The situations make it complicated
20:18 eythian I don't think you can do it sometimes
20:18 eythian But you can combine, I'm sure
20:19 eythian It's probably called concat or something
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20:21 wizzyrea_ ifmatch doesn't seem to be quite the right thing
20:21 wizzyrea_ that's more for taking a value and turning it into something else?
20:24 eythian It's been a while. Did you read the perldocs?
20:24 wizzyrea_ I did :)
20:25 eythian It's not a full-fledged language, so there are many cases it can't handle
20:25 wizzyrea_ it's ok, I will poke at it more
20:25 wizzyrea_ yeah, I am impressed with all the things it *can* do though
20:25 eythian You can read the source 😉
20:26 wizzyrea_ too right.
20:26 wizzyrea_ what I really liked about the perldocs is that I can totally tell who wrote them ^.^
20:27 eythian Heh
20:39 bag @later tell trea - happy birthday man!
20:39 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
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20:41 eythian @later tell bag happy not birthday!
20:41 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
20:41 bag thanks!
20:53 wizzyrea_ @later tell bag happy birthday man!
20:53 huginn wizzyrea_: The operation succeeded.
20:53 bag thanks!
20:56 eythian wahanui: bag is <reply>it's his birthday!
20:56 wahanui ...but bag is <reply> I LIKE BASEBALL...
20:56 eythian no wahanui, bag is <reply>it's his birthday!
20:56 wahanui okay, eythian.
20:56 wizzyrea_ bag is also <reply> I LIKE BASEBALL!
20:56 wahanui okay, wizzyrea_.
20:57 bag bag?
20:57 wizzyrea_ bag?
20:57 wahanui it's his birthday!
20:57 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL!
20:57 wizzyrea_ TEE
20:57 bag phew :)  didn’t want to lose the BASEBALL one ;)
20:57 bag :P
20:58 pianohacker bag: I thought of you the other day, actually... was explaining state diagrams to a soccer player using a rough state diagram for soccer rules
20:58 pianohacker "Now, if you wanted to do something like baseball the state diagram would be WAY harder"
20:58 wizzyrea_ ha
20:59 pianohacker *makes spaghetti hand gestures*
20:59 bag exceptions to the exceptions as paul_p says
20:59 wizzyrea_ it's just a big database, how hard could it be?
20:59 gmcharlt bag: I have this image in my head that one of the interview questions at ByWater is: "Explain the infield fly rule....
20:59 gmcharlt ....
21:00 eythian pianohacker: baseball is lightweight. Do cricket.
21:00 gmcharlt ....
21:00 gmcharlt in 50 words."
21:00 pianohacker gmcharlt: If that were true, it'd be bag and amyk and not a single other soul
21:00 pianohacker ESPECIALLY not nate
21:00 pianohacker (bbl doctor's appointment)
21:01 bag hahahaha!
21:01 bag great idea gmcharlt
21:01 eythian gmcharlt: no, you must explain what happens if a ball on bat hits a seagull and then is caught.
21:01 eythian And how does that differ from hitting a blackbird
21:01 bag well there are no such things as seagulls so it’s really a trick question
21:02 bag they are gulls :)
21:02 gmcharlt eythian: depends -- is it the seagull that's catching the ball?
21:02 bag which is perfect eythian (my undergrad is in ornithology)
21:02 wizzyrea_ cricket.
21:02 eythian bag: that's like cheating 😉
21:03 wizzyrea_ I sort of started to understand it during the cricket world cup
21:03 wizzyrea_ and then it was over and I lost it again.
21:03 eythian Heh. It's pretty straightforward.
21:03 wizzyrea_ hit the ball and run until you get out?
21:04 * wizzyrea_ hears palms hitting foreheads around the world
21:04 bag that’s baseball wizzyrea_
21:04 wizzyrea_ ^.^
21:04 eythian Well, it's also sometimes cricket
21:05 wizzyrea_ YES.
21:05 eythian Unless you bat a 4 or 6 in which case there's no point.
21:05 wizzyrea_ it's just you run back and forth instead of around in a vaguely diamond pattern.
21:05 eythian Roughly, yes
21:08 wizzyrea_[…]onflexe-1.3433227 !!!!!!
21:09 wizzyrea_ oh man gonna be some seriously irritated french parents helping their kids with spelling practice.
21:09 wizzyrea_ look at how mad people got about common core math!
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21:10 wizzyrea_ If you happen to be writing in French about tasting oysters and onions on a weekend in August, things are about to change. Starting in September, schools in France will teach new spellings of some words in a bid to simplify the written language.
21:10 wizzyrea_ Under the spelling reforms, the circumflex over i and u (or î and û) in many words will be removed. This affects words such as "goûter" (to taste), "huître" (oyster), and "août" (August).
21:10 wizzyrea_ As well, the word "oignon" (onion) will lose its pesky and silent "i" to become "ognon." And the French word "week-end," borrowed from English, is among several that are dropping the hyphen.
21:10 wizzyrea_ The Académie française, the council on French language that decides such things, approved the changes to about 2,400 words in 1990, but it took 26 years for them to make their way to the school system.
21:10 wizzyrea_ hm, that was more than I intended to paste.
21:10 wizzyrea_ 26 years!
21:11 eythian Here onion is "ui", pronounced roughly "ow"
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21:11 gmcharlt my illusions about the absolute power of the Académie française are dashed! 26 years?!?!
21:11 wizzyrea_ excellent topics this morning, friends.
21:13 wizzyrea_ also a useful phrase in french
21:13 wizzyrea_ nivellement par le bas = (roughly) dumbing down
21:15 wizzyrea_ The Canadian equivalent of the Académie, l'Office québécois de la langue française, already recognizes the spelling reforms, but notes that neither the new spellings nor the traditional ones should be considered wrong.
21:17 eythian Now they're just like English!
21:18 eythian Except dropping u's and doing s/s/z/ is still wrong.
21:18 wizzyrea_ ^.^
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