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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15684: Fix encoding issues with quote upload <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]555acd41a17921de3> |
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reza_ |
I am installing a fresh Koha and following the instruction here https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]e_a_Koha_instance |
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reza_ |
it says if I am running MySQL sever on another server I have to follow three steps |
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reza_ |
I don't really understand the steps! I have to remove the koha-common.cnf and replace it with my.cnf???!!! |
| 02:29 |
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reza_ |
there is nothing on the net about installing Koha with a separate database server... |
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reza_ |
anyone to help? |
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reza_ |
all the installation instructions are assuming that I am installing on a local MySQL |
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reza_ |
even here: |
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reza_ |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Instance_Creation |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha https://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian/ |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha https://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
hello |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
i have install koha on my local |
| 03:56 |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
and i have a static ip from ISP |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
so anyone can help me how to host koha |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
in order to allow any one access from out side |
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reza_ |
you don't want to use any domain name? |
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reza_ |
only IP address? |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
yes |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
i have an ip address from ISP |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
i want to acess from ip not from domain |
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reza_ |
did you assign your static IP address to the server? |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
not yet |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
how can i assign |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
? |
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reza_ |
what OS are you using? |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
cos i am new to koha |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
debian |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
currenly we can access from local |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
intranet |
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wahanui |
i heard intranet was completly unusable with it |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
yes |
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reza_ |
for details on how to assign IP address on debian look at man interfaces |
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reza_ |
edit /etc/network/interdaces |
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reza_ |
if you are using eth0 follow this: |
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reza_ |
auto eth0 |
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reza_ |
iface eth0 inet static |
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reza_ |
address 192.0.2.7 |
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reza_ |
netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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reza_ |
gateway 192.0.2.254 |
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reza_ |
example |
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reza_ |
:D |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
i see |
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reza_ |
for DNS settings edit the file /etc/resolv.conf |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
but if i set ip on tis |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
i can access koha from intenet only |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
how about local |
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wahanui |
i think local is good though.. has it's benefits over remote.. |
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reza_ |
and add your name server |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
since our static from isp is different from our local |
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reza_ |
that is just an example |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
do its work for you ? |
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reza_ |
change the addresses to your ones. but if you want to have a local and one public ip address follow this example: |
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wahanui |
reza_: that doesn't look right |
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reza_ |
auto lo |
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reza_ |
iface lo inet loopback |
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reza_ |
auto eth0 |
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reza_ |
iface eth0 inet static |
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reza_ |
address aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa |
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reza_ |
netmask 255.255.254.0 |
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reza_ |
gateway bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb |
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reza_ |
dns-nameservers ccc.ccc.ccc.ccc ddd.ddd.ddd.ddd eee.eee.eee.eee |
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reza_ |
dns-search vps-number.com |
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reza_ |
auto eth0:0 |
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reza_ |
iface eth0:0 inet static |
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reza_ |
address fff.fff.fff.fff |
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reza_ |
netmask 255.255.254.0 |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
ok |
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circ-user-GVMrv |
thank |
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reza_ |
Then you can run sudo ifup eth0:0 to bring it up |
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reza_ |
now I have a problem with my Koha. is anyone here to help? |
| 04:09 |
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reza_ |
I'm installing a fresh koha with remote database server. all the settings seems correct but i'm getting unavailable |
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reza_ |
Sorry! |
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reza_ |
The Koha site you are trying to access is currently unavailable, probably because of maintenance. This is not at all your fault, and we apologize for any inconvenience the downtime may cause you. Please check back in a while. We hope to get things back up soon. |
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reza_ |
I'm here for two days and no one is helping :( |
| 04:13 |
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rangi |
go to the staff interface reza_ |
| 04:14 |
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rangi |
also, you are on the time of the day when 90% of the people are asleep, thats why the mailing list is probably a better place to ask that kind of question |
| 04:16 |
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rangi |
you will get that message on the opac because you havent run the webinstaller yet on the staff interface |
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* rangi |
goes back to his conference |
| 04:51 |
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reza_ |
I cannot access to the web installer as well. same issue... |
| 04:54 |
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rangi |
sounds like you have a problem with your apache config |
| 04:55 |
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rangi |
and that you are seeing the opac at both sites |
| 04:55 |
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rangi |
or you ran koha-disable (in which case you need to run koha-enable) but most likely its a dns/apache thing |
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onre |
would there be a different message if koha was unable to access the database? |
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mtj |
onre: yes... perhaps a DBI error ^ |
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mtj |
hiya rangi, i hope you are having fun over there :0) |
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reza_ |
if I just want to point the koha to a new remote database (which contain a dump of local) how many files should I edit for database connection info? |
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reza_ |
besides koha-conf.xml |
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rangi |
thats all |
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reza_ |
so I guess my problem is not a database connection since all the settings are correct. It might be the apache config file. |
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rangi |
as long as it's ther right koha-conf.xml (under /etc/koha/sites/<your instance name>/ |
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reza_ |
yeah. I have edited that. |
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onre |
have you made sure that the specified user can actually connect to the remote mysql instance? |
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rangi |
easy test |
| 05:04 |
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rangi |
sudo koha-mysql instancename |
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rangi |
if that works |
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rangi |
your config is fine |
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rangi |
and its apache/dns |
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reza_ |
yes |
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reza_ |
that works |
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reza_ |
i have commented the opac settings in the instance apache settings |
| 05:08 |
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rangi |
yeah its something with your virtual host settings, or your dns/hosts |
| 05:08 |
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reza_ |
to check if the intra side works or not |
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reza_ |
still getting the error. besides apache virtual host, is there any other settings that I need to change |
| 05:09 |
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rangi |
mtj: yep, interesting conference |
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rangi |
reza_: no |
| 05:09 |
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rangi |
try koha-enable instancename |
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rangi |
it wont do anything if it is already enabled |
| 05:11 |
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reza_ |
OMG, it was not enabled |
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reza_ |
aaaaaaaaa |
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reza_ |
but i have enabled it!!! |
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reza_ |
do i have to enable it every time I reboot? |
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mtj |
no ^ |
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mtj |
$ sudo apachectl -S |
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mtj |
reza_: ..thats a handy command, for apache site debugging |
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reza_ |
and one more thing is I'm installing this new koha for and old version dumped database. besides kohaeupgrade-schema instancename what shall i do? |
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reza_ |
oh, thanks. |
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mtj |
reza_: there is nothing more to do :) |
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reza_ |
phew |
| 05:18 |
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reza_ |
I have an old koha running with 11k users |
| 05:18 |
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reza_ |
with lots of issues |
| 05:20 |
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mtj |
dcook, abouty? |
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mtj |
i was going to ask uou about bug 15035 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15035 is not accessible. |
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reza_ |
thank you guys mtj, onre and rangi |
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reza_ |
:) |
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mtj |
... are you running it? |
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mtj |
reza_: what version is you old koha?, (just curious) |
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mtj |
s/you/your/ |
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mtj |
rangi: interesting.. i bet :) |
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mtj |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Twl2mQAh6g |
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mtj |
..i think this might be my fav. linuxconf talk, ever |
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mtj |
(for those that missed it) |
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Francesca |
sooooo hot |
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Francesca |
@wunder wlg |
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huginn |
Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (6:00 PM NZDT on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
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mtj |
Francesca: i know, hey! |
| 05:31 |
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Francesca |
I know its summer and everything |
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Francesca |
but this is like melting kind of heat |
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reza_ |
I'm using 3.10.x |
| 05:33 |
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reza_ |
I'm getting some duplicate entry fail during the schema upgrade. is that OK? |
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mtj |
reza_: can you pastebin ? |
| 05:55 |
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reza_ |
Upgrade to 3.15.00.048 done (Bug 10195: Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed) |
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reza_ |
DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't DROP 'isbn'; check that column/key exists [for Statement "ALTER TABLE biblioitems DROP INDEX isbn"] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 8466. |
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reza_ |
DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't DROP 'issn'; check that column/key exists [for Statement "ALTER TABLE biblioitems DROP INDEX issn"] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 8467. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10195 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, CLOSED FIXED, Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed |
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reza_ |
DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry 'OpacCustomSearch' for key 'PRIMARY' [for Statement " |
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reza_ |
INSERT INTO systempreferences (variable,value) VALUES('OpacCustomSearch',''); |
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reza_ |
"] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 8847. |
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mtj |
reza_: you are probably OK, with those 3 errors |
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mtj |
i think after your isbn/issn errors, some new indexes were added |
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reza_ |
OK thanks, still processing my DB |
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reza_ |
Upgrade to 3.19.00.005 done |
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mtj |
mysql> show index from biblioitems; |
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mtj |
you should have some isbn/issn indexes, showing |
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pastebot |
"mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "index" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/293 |
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June |
Hello |
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wahanui |
what's up, June |
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June |
:) |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
what's up, alex_a |
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Joubu |
hi |
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wahanui |
what's up, Joubu |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.21 in 989 hPa (Rising). |
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June |
is there any KOHA training for developers and librarian that we can attend to have more understanding of it. |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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cait |
morning #koha |
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Francesca |
hi |
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cait |
hi Francesca :) |
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Francesca |
hows it going :) |
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reza_ |
koha-upgrade-schema is done now. I can login to the admin but in the opac site I'm getting unavailable error. should I change any setting after upgrade? |
| 08:31 |
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cait |
hm, usually it should work without having to do anything - and show a maintenance message until you are done I think |
| 08:34 |
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reza_ |
now I have tried to run the message queue cron job |
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reza_ |
and I'm getting this error: unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 346 |
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reza_ |
and at the end of it: Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Database.pm line 56. |
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cait |
how did you install koha? |
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reza_ |
package |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
if you want to run the cronjobs manually, you shoudl use the koha-shell then |
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cait |
because it will set up the right environment variables for you - which is wat the error is about |
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reza_ |
oh, I was running the manual cron on 3.10. so it's different in new koha. |
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cait |
it's different in the packages because you can have multiple instances of koha running on the same codebase |
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cait |
so the paths are different for each |
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reza_ |
thats true |
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reza_ |
but now i'm getting a different error |
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reza_ |
connect to localhost failed (Connection refused) |
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reza_ |
connect to localhost failed |
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reza_ |
connect to localhost failed (Connection refused) no (more) retries! |
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reza_ |
at process_message_queue.pl line 66. |
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cait |
eah i think you ahve another deeper problem |
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cait |
i'd work out why the opac is not reachable first |
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reza_ |
how can I figure it out |
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cait |
I am not sure, sorry |
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reza_ |
np ;) |
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cait |
you'd need to ask more of a sysadmin person |
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reiveune |
hello |
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cait |
hm no marcelr |
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kidclamp |
Hi Joubu |
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* cait |
feels ignored :P |
| 10:18 |
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kidclamp |
Hi cait |
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cait |
hi kidclamp :) |
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kidclamp |
I had to bug Joubu about stuff, you were just not going to get bothered :p |
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kidclamp |
and wanted to see if he was around |
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cait |
just kidding :) |
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Joubu |
I am :) |
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kidclamp |
Bug 15733 - Kyle actually split it in to 15734 and 15735 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15733 normal, P3, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Audio Alerts issues in master |
| 10:19 |
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kidclamp |
so now you have competing patches |
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Joubu |
erk, have not seen it |
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Joubu |
why did you open 2 bug reports? :Ã |
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Joubu |
:) |
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kidclamp |
and 15736 - I am terrible at naming things, so I would ask oleonard |
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kidclamp |
I opened 1 with 2 issues, he opened 2 with 1 issues (but neglected to close mine) |
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kidclamp |
but 15736 my thoughts would be 'HideItemsNotCheckedIn' or 'DisplayAllItemScannedAtCheckin' |
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Joubu |
ok marked 15733 as a dup |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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cait |
moin drojf |
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Joubu |
kidclamp: I am terrible at naming stuffs too, pref especially, that's why I have asked you :) |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
showing not checked out in returns table...? |
| 10:23 |
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kidclamp |
yeah |
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cait |
ShowAllCheckins? |
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cait |
Display... |
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wahanui |
display is probably broken in a lot of places |
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cait |
hm |
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kidclamp |
that's the shortest so far :-) |
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* cait |
likes short :) |
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* Joubu |
likes explicit |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
both are valid |
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kidclamp |
yeah, ask oleonard to weigh in, I think he also was bothered as much as I was |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 3.0°C (11:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling). |
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cait |
it snowed this morning on my way to work |
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drojf |
general strike in greece. i hope they sort it out until kohacon ;) |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (11:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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drojf |
meh |
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drojf |
i can't reproduce the bug(s) related to audio alerts. i dont get an error (nor an audio alert). is it supposed to work with the default alerts or do i have to add something special? |
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* andreashm |
waves |
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drojf |
hi andreashm |
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andreashm |
hi drojf |
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lds |
hello |
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andreashm |
hi lds |
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lds |
andreashm: hi |
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Joubu |
In the acq module, with indbranch set to prevent and logged in with a non-superlibrarian user, I can change the delivery/billing places of a basket. Is it the expected behavior or a bug? |
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drojf |
i would not expect that |
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Joubu |
hum no, that's not the current behavior |
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Joubu |
I am able to search for invoices from another library |
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drojf |
indbranches has a lot of problems :( |
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drojf |
it would be really good to have that working in a reliable way |
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Joubu |
I am able to search for subscriptions from another library and create an order with it |
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Joubu |
drojf: I am not sure to know what are the expected behaviors actually |
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Joubu |
Is it as simple as "if the loggedin user is not superlibrarian, she/he cannot see any infos from other libraries" |
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drojf |
Joubu: i can't really say for the aqc module. i think it is not promised to have real separation in acq, but it woul dcertainly be desirable |
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drojf |
i think what is promised (and not working 100% either) is separation of all things related to user accounts. don't see accounts, don't see borrowing history and similar things from other branches |
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Joubu |
for instance, if you have the permission to change things in the admin area, should you be able to change everything? |
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drojf |
for the use cases i would have had lately, real separation would have been good in all areas, but allow search in opac and lending between branches. but i am sure others use the way it is for their workflow and want to keep oit |
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drojf |
it's really hard to tell. with koha, it seems like every bug is a feature to someone |
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Joubu |
heh, yes |
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Joubu |
cait maybe? |
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cait |
reading back |
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cait |
i thin if indepenent branches on and you don't hae the super* or all* permission |
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cait |
you should not be able to order other libraries subscriptions |
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cait |
or actually change any data of another library |
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cait |
intrdocuing a super* permission for acq might be a possibl way to fix without changing behaviour |
| 11:53 |
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Joubu |
cait: and what about the admin module? |
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cait |
Joubu: another thing for the sbuscription order search... why do we show the other subscription that you can't order from because you are at the wrong vendor - shoudl at least show the vendor you can order it from instead :) |
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cait |
hm i think admins is harder, because you need admins that can access everything in a global system... |
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cait |
maybe circulation conditions etc coudl be separated .... but i'd push that to the back and fix other problems first |
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Joubu |
cait: because it reuses an existing script I guess |
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cait |
in general we shoudl have separate permissions for the admin areas tho |
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cait |
i am trying to separate currencies currently and move them to acq |
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Joubu |
cait: actually I am remove subroutines from C4::Branch |
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cait |
hm? |
| 11:55 |
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Joubu |
moving them to Koha::Libraries |
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Joubu |
C4::Branch::GetBranches for instance, takes a "onlymine" parameter |
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Joubu |
if it's not given, all the libraries will be displayed |
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Joubu |
unless there is a if ( $indbranch ) just above |
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Joubu |
actually there are 10 different ways to display the libraries |
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Joubu |
and I am trying to normalise that |
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Joubu |
the problem is that I don't manage to identify the bug and the feature... |
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cait |
hm yeah |
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cait |
don't have an anser i think right now |
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cait |
it seems like independent branches should hide a lot of the branch selections... |
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Joubu |
k |
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Joubu |
I will try to identify the issues |
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cait |
but not all.... becasue you might allow pick-up at another branch or something like that? |
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cait |
sorry |
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andreashm |
pfff, why cant I seem to get the sandboxes to work? bah. |
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cait |
hm someone reported a problem yesterday too i think - are they not working at all or patches don't apply? |
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andreashm |
don't know, I have only tried one patch. (on several of the sandboxes) |
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andreashm |
can try another I guess |
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andreashm |
I can't get them to work at all. both biblibre and ptfs. |
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andreashm |
Humm... I guess this means that I really need to solve my problem with reindexing Zebra so I can use my kohadevbox again. |
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andreashm |
didn't I read somewhere that there was changes made that you would need to update git bz? |
| 12:36 |
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andreashm |
because now that doesn't seem to work |
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cait |
yes, you need to change your git bz config |
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cait |
it's in the instructions on the wiki now i think |
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cait |
because bugs is only https now |
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andreashm |
a that was it |
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Joubu |
This has been done by alex_a on BibLibre's sandboxes I guess |
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andreashm |
thanks cait! cait++ |
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alex_a |
andreashm: What is the error on biblibre sandboxes ? |
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andreashm |
yup |
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andreashm |
can't apply patches |
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andreashm |
(I could be doing something wrong I guess) |
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oleonard |
HI #koha |
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andreashm |
hi oleonard |
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andreashm |
apparently the sandbox problem has to do with a new dependency that has no debian package. now I seem to have the same issue with my kohadevbox. any help on how to solve this? would be appreciated. |
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oleonard |
andreashm: drojf just attached a package to Bug 13618 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC |
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magnuse |
drojf++ |
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andreashm |
drojf++ |
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liw |
does Koha have a friendly Debian developer to package and upload missing dependencies to Debian? |
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drojf |
if only we had a workshop about that :P |
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drojf |
jajm has uploaded it i think |
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andreashm |
alex_a++ |
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jajm |
it's not in Debian yet, but should be soon. if anyone want to help, join the pkg-perl group and see what has to be done here https://anonscm.debian.org/cgi[…]/debian/changelog |
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oleonard |
jajm++ |
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liw |
I can recommend joining the Debian Perl module packaging team and co-ordinating packaging efforts with them; they have Debian developers who sponsor uploads to Debian proper, which helps everyone |
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liw |
oh, what jajm said |
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magnuse |
jajm++ |
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cait |
jajm++ liw++ :) |
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alex_a |
@all: All biblibre's sandboxes are fixed with the new template-stash-autoescaping dependency |
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huginn |
alex_a: I suck |
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drojf |
alex_a++ |
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alex_a |
thanks lds |
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lds |
alex_a: your welcome |
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lds |
alex_a: and dont forget hello madame |
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alex_a |
lds: :) |
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cait |
alex_a++ |
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drojf |
+1 for koha-us meeting in canada :D |
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oleonard |
My "last seen before" report omitted items which had *never* been seen, which is why "Official Netscape Navigator 2.0 book" is still in Koha. |
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drojf |
heh |
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cait |
oleonard: lol |
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drojf |
gotta go, later #koha |
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kidclamp |
oleonard:bug 15736 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15736 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a preference to control whether all items should be shown in checked-in items list |
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pianohacker |
yo |
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Joubu |
bye #koha |
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onre |
looking at my SRU source's logs, Koha is asking for SRU records like this: first, ask with maximumRecords 0 to find out total number, then query them one by one with maximumRecords 1 and incrementing startRecord |
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onre |
this causes a lot of requests |
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NorbertDD |
Hey, UsageStatsCountry Germany or Deutschland? |
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tcohen |
NorbertDD: Germany I presume |
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NorbertDD |
okay thx, now koha have one germany privat instance more :) |
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NorbertDD |
cait... https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15744 ich hoffe ich habe meinen ersten Bug richtig angelegt |
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huginn |
Bug 15744: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , GlobalSys: UsageStatsLibraryType German Text 2x "Firmenbibliothek" |
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cait |
i will switch from enh to minor - making it a bug instead of a feature :) |
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cait |
hm possibly only a translation error, i will have a look |
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NorbertDD |
okay, thx :) so i go home - the barcode scanner is coming today :) |
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cait |
have fun :) |
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gaetan_B |
bye |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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* bag |
knuckles |
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* magnuse |
knuckles back |
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* druthb |
looks at bag, and then just shakes her head. |
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* druthb |
waves to magnuse. |
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druthb |
You were on my mind last night, magnuse...made pizza. :) |
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bag |
huh? why would you shake your head at me? |
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druthb |
:P |
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bag |
magnuse and I have been knuckling for years! :) |
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druthb |
I know. I'm old, but memory is the *second* thing to go when you get old. |
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* bag |
shakes his head :P |
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druthb |
tsk. |
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* druthb |
is disappointed. |
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* magnuse |
likes pizza |
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druthb |
:) |
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cait |
? |
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druthb |
Mine was pretty tasty. I cheated, though--these were on the recipe to use French bread for the base, but I used some lil loaves of Mexican bread from the market. Sausage, mushrooms, olives, tomatoes, lotsa cheese. |
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druthb |
cait: ? |
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magnuse |
druthb: bread for the base? |
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magnuse |
then i would seriously question if it can be called pizza, or if it is a hot cheese sandwich or something similar ;-) |
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* magnuse |
is not sure he can wait until after summer for the marseille cheese lunch... |
| 18:54 |
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druthb |
Fair 'nuf. Billed as pizza, and uses a pizza sauce. But no bread on top, so open-faced. |
| 18:54 |
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druthb |
But very tasty. |
| 18:59 |
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cait |
hm getting hungry now |
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magnuse |
druthb: sounds nice though, i'll refrain from further nitpicking :-) |
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druthb |
:) |
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magnuse |
friday? |
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wahanui |
friday is pizzaday |
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magnuse |
w00t! |
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* magnuse |
can't help wondering what kidclamp had for lunch :-) |
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* magnuse |
wanders off |
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kidclamp |
magnuse: pork sandwich with melted cheddar and maple mustard and a small cup of chicken noodle soup |
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eythian |
No wahanui, Thursday is pizza day |
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oleonard |
Thursday? |
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wahanui |
Thursday is pizza day |
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oleonard |
Wednesday? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... Wednesday is fine for me |
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oleonard |
Tuesday? |
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wahanui |
Tuesday is good too |
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oleonard |
Monday? |
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wahanui |
Monday is better |
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oleonard |
Sunday? |
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oleonard |
Saturday? |
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wahanui |
Saturday is probably going to be quiet. |
| 19:28 |
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oleonard |
today? |
| 19:28 |
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wahanui |
today is Friday |
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oleonard |
tomorrow? |
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wahanui |
tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today. |
| 19:30 |
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oleonard |
Now that that's settled... |
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* druthb |
draws her knife, and watches wahanui closely. |
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druthb |
darn thing is getting clever. |
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oleonard |
Clever? wahanui doesn't know what day it is, and blithely tells us that Monday is better than something! |
| 19:32 |
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oleonard |
Better than what wahanui ?! |
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druthb |
but it knows that tomorrow is pizza friday! |
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liz |
talljoy about? |
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liz |
cldarly no ;) |
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liz |
clearly |
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gmcharlt |
nor cedarly ;) |
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wizzyrea_ |
hi :) |
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gmcharlt |
howdy |
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oleonard |
Hi wizzyrea and gmcharlt |
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wizzyrea_ |
hi oleonard |
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wizzyrea_ |
how is everyone today? |
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eythian |
Hi wizzyrea or wizzyrea_. But not both. |
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wizzyrea_ |
:) |
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wizzyrea_ |
I'm not sure the world would actually be keen on two of me |
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oleonard |
Sorry I can't stay and chat wizzyrea. I'm off. |
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oleonard |
Bye all |
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wizzyrea_ |
later oleonard |
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eythian |
It would be very confusing for trea |
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wizzyrea_ |
confusing might not be the word he'd use >.> |
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* wizzyrea_ |
runs exactly away from that conversation |
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wizzyrea_ |
the neighbours chooks are very cheerful today, squawking up a storm |
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wizzyrea_ |
happy squawking, not alarmed squawking |
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eythian |
Why are you home/why does Catalyst have chickens for neighbours? |
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wizzyrea_ |
I have had the worst ever pink eye, and the doctor told me to stay home |
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wizzyrea_ |
it's almost better, I'll be back next week |
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eythian |
Ug fair enough |
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wizzyrea_ |
I couldn't work at all last week because it was so bad, and I was told to "stay at home or risk your whole office getting it" this week |
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wizzyrea_ |
so, uh, I've been working from home |
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wizzyrea_ |
yeah, tmi I know |
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eythian |
This wouldn't be a problem if everyone wasn't licking eyeballs all the time |
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wizzyrea_ |
hehe |
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wizzyrea_ |
crazy catalystas. |
| 20:02 |
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wizzyrea_ |
more just that it's crazy infectious |
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wizzyrea_ |
how are you? things going alright? |
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eythian |
Yeah, things are pretty good. |
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eythian |
Amsterdam is nice. |
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wizzyrea_ |
@wunder Amsterdam |
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huginn |
wizzyrea_: Error: No such location could be found. |
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wizzyrea_ |
doh |
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wizzyrea_ |
@wunder wlg |
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huginn |
wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 05, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea_ |
^ you are lucky to be missing out on this one |
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wizzyrea_ |
it has been so hot this week |
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eythian |
So I've heard |
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eythian |
@wunder ams |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 5.7°C (8:30 PM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea_ |
see that's too cold though ^.6 |
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eythian |
Yeah |
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wizzyrea_ |
there is no winning here. |
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wizzyrea_ |
niwa says it's going to be warm and settled for another month or so |
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eythian |
That's actually pretty cold for his it's been, though it is 9pm |
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eythian |
How |
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wizzyrea_ |
el nino, I guess |
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wizzyrea_ |
i mean regarding our weather, not necessarily yorus |
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wizzyrea_ |
jeez. can't type. |
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wizzyrea_ |
oh, I was looking for talljoy because I had a question about csvtomarc, but uh, the expert is kind of here |
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wizzyrea_ |
do you feel like answering a question about csvtomarc eythian? it's ok if you don't |
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eythian |
Yorus is an electric pronoun |
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wizzyrea_ |
unlike yaris, which is a car. |
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eythian |
wizzyrea_: try me, I make no promises |
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wizzyrea_ |
well I have a situation where the librarian wants things in item type x to have columns A and B comma separated in the same marc field. I see that you can combine things, but I am failing at understanding how (well, *if* even) csvtomarc can do that |
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wizzyrea_ |
and there are other situations where those same fields go in different fields |
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wizzyrea_ |
same columns, I mean |
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eythian |
The situations make it complicated |
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eythian |
I don't think you can do it sometimes |
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eythian |
But you can combine, I'm sure |
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eythian |
It's probably called concat or something |
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wizzyrea_ |
ifmatch doesn't seem to be quite the right thing |
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wizzyrea_ |
that's more for taking a value and turning it into something else? |
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eythian |
It's been a while. Did you read the perldocs? |
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wizzyrea_ |
I did :) |
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eythian |
It's not a full-fledged language, so there are many cases it can't handle |
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wizzyrea_ |
it's ok, I will poke at it more |
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wizzyrea_ |
yeah, I am impressed with all the things it *can* do though |
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eythian |
You can read the source 😉 |
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wizzyrea_ |
too right. |
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wizzyrea_ |
what I really liked about the perldocs is that I can totally tell who wrote them ^.^ |
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eythian |
Heh |
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bag |
@later tell trea - happy birthday man! |
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huginn |
bag: The operation succeeded. |
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eythian |
@later tell bag happy not birthday! |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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bag |
thanks! |
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wizzyrea_ |
@later tell bag happy birthday man! |
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huginn |
wizzyrea_: The operation succeeded. |
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bag |
thanks! |
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eythian |
wahanui: bag is <reply>it's his birthday! |
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wahanui |
...but bag is <reply> I LIKE BASEBALL... |
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eythian |
no wahanui, bag is <reply>it's his birthday! |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
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wizzyrea_ |
bag is also <reply> I LIKE BASEBALL! |
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wahanui |
okay, wizzyrea_. |
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bag |
bag? |
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wizzyrea_ |
bag? |
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wahanui |
it's his birthday! |
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wahanui |
I LIKE BASEBALL! |
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wizzyrea_ |
TEE |
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bag |
phew :) didn’t want to lose the BASEBALL one ;) |
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bag |
:P |
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pianohacker |
bag: I thought of you the other day, actually... was explaining state diagrams to a soccer player using a rough state diagram for soccer rules |
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pianohacker |
"Now, if you wanted to do something like baseball the state diagram would be WAY harder" |
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wizzyrea_ |
ha |
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pianohacker |
*makes spaghetti hand gestures* |
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bag |
exceptions to the exceptions as paul_p says |
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wizzyrea_ |
it's just a big database, how hard could it be? |
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gmcharlt |
bag: I have this image in my head that one of the interview questions at ByWater is: "Explain the infield fly rule.... |
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gmcharlt |
.... |
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eythian |
pianohacker: baseball is lightweight. Do cricket. |
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gmcharlt |
.... |
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gmcharlt |
in 50 words." |
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pianohacker |
gmcharlt: If that were true, it'd be bag and amyk and not a single other soul |
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pianohacker |
ESPECIALLY not nate |
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pianohacker |
(bbl doctor's appointment) |
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bag |
hahahaha! |
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bag |
great idea gmcharlt |
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eythian |
gmcharlt: no, you must explain what happens if a ball on bat hits a seagull and then is caught. |
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eythian |
And how does that differ from hitting a blackbird |
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bag |
well there are no such things as seagulls so it’s really a trick question |
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bag |
they are gulls :) |
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gmcharlt |
eythian: depends -- is it the seagull that's catching the ball? |
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bag |
which is perfect eythian (my undergrad is in ornithology) |
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wizzyrea_ |
cricket. |
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eythian |
bag: that's like cheating 😉 |
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wizzyrea_ |
I sort of started to understand it during the cricket world cup |
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wizzyrea_ |
and then it was over and I lost it again. |
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eythian |
Heh. It's pretty straightforward. |
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wizzyrea_ |
hit the ball and run until you get out? |
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* wizzyrea_ |
hears palms hitting foreheads around the world |
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bag |
that’s baseball wizzyrea_ |
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wizzyrea_ |
^.^ |
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eythian |
Well, it's also sometimes cricket |
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wizzyrea_ |
YES. |
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eythian |
Unless you bat a 4 or 6 in which case there's no point. |
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wizzyrea_ |
it's just you run back and forth instead of around in a vaguely diamond pattern. |
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eythian |
Roughly, yes |
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wizzyrea_ |
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/tr[…]onflexe-1.3433227 !!!!!! |
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wizzyrea_ |
oh man gonna be some seriously irritated french parents helping their kids with spelling practice. |
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wizzyrea_ |
look at how mad people got about common core math! |
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wizzyrea_ |
2.3k shares |
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wizzyrea_ |
40 comments |
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wizzyrea_ |
If you happen to be writing in French about tasting oysters and onions on a weekend in August, things are about to change. Starting in September, schools in France will teach new spellings of some words in a bid to simplify the written language. |
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wizzyrea_ |
Under the spelling reforms, the circumflex over i and u (or î and û) in many words will be removed. This affects words such as "goûter" (to taste), "huître" (oyster), and "août" (August). |
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wizzyrea_ |
As well, the word "oignon" (onion) will lose its pesky and silent "i" to become "ognon." And the French word "week-end," borrowed from English, is among several that are dropping the hyphen. |
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wizzyrea_ |
The Académie française, the council on French language that decides such things, approved the changes to about 2,400 words in 1990, but it took 26 years for them to make their way to the school system. |
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wizzyrea_ |
hm, that was more than I intended to paste. |
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wizzyrea_ |
26 years! |
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eythian |
Here onion is "ui", pronounced roughly "ow" |
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gmcharlt |
my illusions about the absolute power of the Académie française are dashed! 26 years?!?! |
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wizzyrea_ |
excellent topics this morning, friends. |
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wizzyrea_ |
also a useful phrase in french |
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wizzyrea_ |
nivellement par le bas = (roughly) dumbing down |
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wizzyrea_ |
The Canadian equivalent of the Académie, l'Office québécois de la langue française, already recognizes the spelling reforms, but notes that neither the new spellings nor the traditional ones should be considered wrong. |
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eythian |
Now they're just like English! |
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eythian |
Except dropping u's and doing s/s/z/ is still wrong. |
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wizzyrea_ |
^.^ |
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