Time Nick Message 00:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15684: Fix encoding issues with quote upload <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=59fc32531071e3d4594a8b5555acd41a17921de3> 02:27 reza_ I am installing a fresh Koha and following the instruction here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian#Create_a_Koha_instance 02:28 reza_ it says if I am running MySQL sever on another server I have to follow three steps 02:28 reza_ I don't really understand the steps! I have to remove the koha-common.cnf and replace it with my.cnf???!!! 02:29 reza_ there is nothing on the net about installing Koha with a separate database server... 02:29 reza_ anyone to help? 02:35 reza_ all the installation instructions are assuming that I am installing on a local MySQL 02:35 reza_ even here: 02:35 reza_ https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Instance_Creation 03:55 circ-user-GVMrv hello 03:55 circ-user-GVMrv i have install koha on my local 03:56 circ-user-GVMrv and i have a static ip from ISP 03:56 circ-user-GVMrv so anyone can help me how to host koha 03:56 circ-user-GVMrv in order to allow any one access from out side 03:57 reza_ you don't want to use any domain name? 03:57 reza_ only IP address? 03:57 circ-user-GVMrv yes 03:57 circ-user-GVMrv i have an ip address from ISP 03:58 circ-user-GVMrv i want to acess from ip not from domain 03:58 reza_ did you assign your static IP address to the server? 03:58 circ-user-GVMrv not yet 03:58 circ-user-GVMrv how can i assign 03:58 circ-user-GVMrv ? 03:58 reza_ what OS are you using? 03:58 circ-user-GVMrv cos i am new to koha 03:58 circ-user-GVMrv debian 03:58 circ-user-GVMrv currenly we can access from local 03:59 circ-user-GVMrv intranet 03:59 wahanui i heard intranet was completly unusable with it 03:59 circ-user-GVMrv yes 03:59 reza_ for details on how to assign IP address on debian look at man interfaces 04:00 reza_ edit /etc/network/interdaces 04:01 reza_ if you are using eth0 follow this: 04:01 reza_ auto eth0 04:01 reza_ iface eth0 inet static 04:01 reza_ address 192.0.2.7 04:01 reza_ netmask 255.255.255.0 04:01 reza_ gateway 192.0.2.254 04:01 reza_ example 04:01 reza_ :D 04:02 circ-user-GVMrv i see 04:02 reza_ for DNS settings edit the file /etc/resolv.conf 04:02 circ-user-GVMrv but if i set ip on tis 04:02 circ-user-GVMrv i can access koha from intenet only 04:02 circ-user-GVMrv how about local 04:02 wahanui i think local is good though.. has it's benefits over remote.. 04:02 reza_ and add your name server 04:02 circ-user-GVMrv since our static from isp is different from our local 04:04 reza_ that is just an example 04:05 circ-user-GVMrv do its work for you ? 04:06 reza_ change the addresses to your ones. but if you want to have a local and one public ip address follow this example: 04:06 wahanui reza_: that doesn't look right 04:06 reza_ auto lo 04:06 reza_ iface lo inet loopback 04:06 reza_ auto eth0 04:06 reza_ iface eth0 inet static 04:06 reza_ address aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa 04:06 reza_ netmask 255.255.254.0 04:06 reza_ gateway bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb 04:06 reza_ dns-nameservers ccc.ccc.ccc.ccc ddd.ddd.ddd.ddd eee.eee.eee.eee 04:06 reza_ dns-search vps-number.com 04:06 reza_ auto eth0:0 04:06 reza_ iface eth0:0 inet static 04:06 reza_ address fff.fff.fff.fff 04:06 reza_ netmask 255.255.254.0 04:07 circ-user-GVMrv ok 04:07 circ-user-GVMrv thank 04:07 reza_ Then you can run sudo ifup eth0:0 to bring it up 04:08 reza_ now I have a problem with my Koha. is anyone here to help? 04:09 reza_ I'm installing a fresh koha with remote database server. all the settings seems correct but i'm getting unavailable 04:09 reza_ Sorry! 04:09 reza_ The Koha site you are trying to access is currently unavailable, probably because of maintenance. This is not at all your fault, and we apologize for any inconvenience the downtime may cause you. Please check back in a while. We hope to get things back up soon. 04:11 reza_ I'm here for two days and no one is helping :( 04:13 rangi go to the staff interface reza_ 04:14 rangi also, you are on the time of the day when 90% of the people are asleep, thats why the mailing list is probably a better place to ask that kind of question 04:16 rangi you will get that message on the opac because you havent run the webinstaller yet on the staff interface 04:17 * rangi goes back to his conference 04:51 reza_ I cannot access to the web installer as well. same issue... 04:54 rangi sounds like you have a problem with your apache config 04:55 rangi and that you are seeing the opac at both sites 04:55 rangi or you ran koha-disable (in which case you need to run koha-enable) but most likely its a dns/apache thing 04:56 onre would there be a different message if koha was unable to access the database? 04:58 mtj onre: yes... perhaps a DBI error ^ 05:01 mtj hiya rangi, i hope you are having fun over there :0) 05:01 reza_ if I just want to point the koha to a new remote database (which contain a dump of local) how many files should I edit for database connection info? 05:02 reza_ besides koha-conf.xml 05:03 rangi thats all 05:04 reza_ so I guess my problem is not a database connection since all the settings are correct. It might be the apache config file. 05:04 rangi as long as it's ther right koha-conf.xml (under /etc/koha/sites/<your instance name>/ 05:04 reza_ yeah. I have edited that. 05:04 onre have you made sure that the specified user can actually connect to the remote mysql instance? 05:04 rangi easy test 05:04 rangi sudo koha-mysql instancename 05:04 rangi if that works 05:05 rangi your config is fine 05:05 rangi and its apache/dns 05:07 reza_ yes 05:07 reza_ that works 05:07 reza_ i have commented the opac settings in the instance apache settings 05:08 rangi yeah its something with your virtual host settings, or your dns/hosts 05:08 reza_ to check if the intra side works or not 05:08 reza_ still getting the error. besides apache virtual host, is there any other settings that I need to change 05:09 rangi mtj: yep, interesting conference 05:09 rangi reza_: no 05:09 rangi try koha-enable instancename 05:09 rangi it wont do anything if it is already enabled 05:11 reza_ OMG, it was not enabled 05:11 reza_ aaaaaaaaa 05:11 reza_ but i have enabled it!!! 05:11 reza_ do i have to enable it every time I reboot? 05:11 mtj no ^ 05:12 mtj $ sudo apachectl -S 05:12 mtj reza_: ..thats a handy command, for apache site debugging 05:12 reza_ and one more thing is I'm installing this new koha for and old version dumped database. besides kohaeupgrade-schema instancename what shall i do? 05:13 reza_ oh, thanks. 05:16 mtj reza_: there is nothing more to do :) 05:17 reza_ phew 05:18 reza_ I have an old koha running with 11k users 05:18 reza_ with lots of issues 05:20 mtj dcook, abouty? 05:20 mtj i was going to ask uou about bug 15035 05:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15035 is not accessible. 05:20 reza_ thank you guys mtj, onre and rangi 05:21 reza_ :) 05:21 mtj ... are you running it? 05:22 mtj reza_: what version is you old koha?, (just curious) 05:23 mtj s/you/your/ 05:27 mtj rangi: interesting.. i bet :) 05:29 mtj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Twl2mQAh6g 05:29 mtj ..i think this might be my fav. linuxconf talk, ever 05:30 mtj (for those that missed it) 05:30 Francesca sooooo hot 05:30 Francesca @wunder wlg 05:30 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (6:00 PM NZDT on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 05:30 mtj Francesca: i know, hey! 05:31 Francesca I know its summer and everything 05:31 Francesca but this is like melting kind of heat 05:32 reza_ I'm using 3.10.x 05:33 reza_ I'm getting some duplicate entry fail during the schema upgrade. is that OK? 05:49 mtj reza_: can you pastebin ? 05:55 reza_ Upgrade to 3.15.00.048 done (Bug 10195: Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed) 05:55 reza_ DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't DROP 'isbn'; check that column/key exists [for Statement "ALTER TABLE biblioitems DROP INDEX isbn"] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 8466. 05:55 reza_ DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't DROP 'issn'; check that column/key exists [for Statement "ALTER TABLE biblioitems DROP INDEX issn"] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 8467. 05:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10195 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, CLOSED FIXED, Records hidden with OpacSuppression can still be accessed 05:55 reza_ DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry 'OpacCustomSearch' for key 'PRIMARY' [for Statement " 05:55 reza_ INSERT INTO systempreferences (variable,value) VALUES('OpacCustomSearch',''); 05:55 reza_ "] at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 8847. 07:39 mtj reza_: you are probably OK, with those 3 errors 07:40 mtj i think after your isbn/issn errors, some new indexes were added 07:40 reza_ OK thanks, still processing my DB 07:41 reza_ Upgrade to 3.19.00.005 done 07:41 mtj mysql> show index from biblioitems; 07:42 mtj you should have some isbn/issn indexes, showing 07:43 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "index" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/293 07:46 June Hello 07:46 wahanui what's up, June 07:47 June :) 07:49 * magnuse waves 07:56 alex_a bonjour 07:56 wahanui what's up, alex_a 08:04 Joubu hi 08:04 wahanui what's up, Joubu 08:06 magnuse @wunder boo 08:06 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.21 in 989 hPa (Rising). 08:10 June is there any KOHA training for developers and librarian that we can attend to have more understanding of it. 08:10 gaetan_B hello 08:23 cait morning #koha 08:25 Francesca hi 08:28 cait hi Francesca :) 08:28 Francesca hows it going :) 08:29 reza_ koha-upgrade-schema is done now. I can login to the admin but in the opac site I'm getting unavailable error. should I change any setting after upgrade? 08:31 cait hm, usually it should work without having to do anything - and show a maintenance message until you are done I think 08:34 reza_ now I have tried to run the message queue cron job 08:34 reza_ and I'm getting this error: unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 346 08:34 reza_ and at the end of it: Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Database.pm line 56. 08:37 cait how did you install koha? 08:37 reza_ package 08:37 cait ok 08:37 cait if you want to run the cronjobs manually, you shoudl use the koha-shell then 08:38 cait because it will set up the right environment variables for you - which is wat the error is about 08:39 reza_ oh, I was running the manual cron on 3.10. so it's different in new koha. 08:39 cait it's different in the packages because you can have multiple instances of koha running on the same codebase 08:39 cait so the paths are different for each 08:40 reza_ thats true 08:40 reza_ but now i'm getting a different error 08:40 reza_ connect to localhost failed (Connection refused) 08:40 reza_ connect to localhost failed 08:40 reza_ connect to localhost failed (Connection refused) no (more) retries! 08:40 reza_ at process_message_queue.pl line 66. 08:41 cait eah i think you ahve another deeper problem 08:41 cait i'd work out why the opac is not reachable first 08:41 reza_ how can I figure it out 08:42 cait I am not sure, sorry 08:42 reza_ np ;) 08:42 cait you'd need to ask more of a sysadmin person 09:16 reiveune hello 09:45 cait hm no marcelr 10:18 kidclamp Hi Joubu 10:18 * cait feels ignored :P 10:18 kidclamp Hi cait 10:18 cait hi kidclamp :) 10:18 kidclamp I had to bug Joubu about stuff, you were just not going to get bothered :p 10:19 kidclamp and wanted to see if he was around 10:19 cait just kidding :) 10:19 Joubu I am :) 10:19 kidclamp Bug 15733 - Kyle actually split it in to 15734 and 15735 10:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15733 normal, P3, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Audio Alerts issues in master 10:19 kidclamp so now you have competing patches 10:20 Joubu erk, have not seen it 10:20 Joubu why did you open 2 bug reports? :à 10:20 Joubu :) 10:20 kidclamp and 15736 - I am terrible at naming things, so I would ask oleonard 10:20 kidclamp I opened 1 with 2 issues, he opened 2 with 1 issues (but neglected to close mine) 10:21 kidclamp but 15736 my thoughts would be 'HideItemsNotCheckedIn' or 'DisplayAllItemScannedAtCheckin' 10:21 Joubu ok marked 15733 as a dup 10:22 drojf hi #koha 10:22 cait moin drojf 10:22 Joubu kidclamp: I am terrible at naming stuffs too, pref especially, that's why I have asked you :) 10:22 cait hm 10:22 cait showing not checked out in returns table...? 10:23 kidclamp yeah 10:23 cait ShowAllCheckins? 10:23 cait Display... 10:23 wahanui display is probably broken in a lot of places 10:23 cait hm 10:24 kidclamp that's the shortest so far :-) 10:24 * cait likes short :) 10:30 * Joubu likes explicit 10:32 cait :) 10:32 cait both are valid 10:36 kidclamp yeah, ask oleonard to weigh in, I think he also was bothered as much as I was 11:05 cait @wunder Konstanz 11:05 huginn cait: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 3.0°C (11:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling). 11:05 cait it snowed this morning on my way to work 11:09 drojf general strike in greece. i hope they sort it out until kohacon ;) 11:09 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 11:09 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (11:50 AM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 11:09 drojf meh 11:10 drojf i can't reproduce the bug(s) related to audio alerts. i dont get an error (nor an audio alert). is it supposed to work with the default alerts or do i have to add something special? 11:19 * andreashm waves 11:19 drojf hi andreashm 11:19 andreashm hi drojf 11:20 lds hello 11:22 andreashm hi lds 11:22 lds andreashm: hi 11:31 Joubu In the acq module, with indbranch set to prevent and logged in with a non-superlibrarian user, I can change the delivery/billing places of a basket. Is it the expected behavior or a bug? 11:33 drojf i would not expect that 11:37 Joubu hum no, that's not the current behavior 11:39 Joubu I am able to search for invoices from another library 11:40 drojf indbranches has a lot of problems :( 11:41 drojf it would be really good to have that working in a reliable way 11:43 Joubu I am able to search for subscriptions from another library and create an order with it 11:43 Joubu drojf: I am not sure to know what are the expected behaviors actually 11:44 Joubu Is it as simple as "if the loggedin user is not superlibrarian, she/he cannot see any infos from other libraries" 11:45 drojf Joubu: i can't really say for the aqc module. i think it is not promised to have real separation in acq, but it woul dcertainly be desirable 11:46 drojf i think what is promised (and not working 100% either) is separation of all things related to user accounts. don't see accounts, don't see borrowing history and similar things from other branches 11:46 Joubu for instance, if you have the permission to change things in the admin area, should you be able to change everything? 11:48 drojf for the use cases i would have had lately, real separation would have been good in all areas, but allow search in opac and lending between branches. but i am sure others use the way it is for their workflow and want to keep oit 11:49 drojf it's really hard to tell. with koha, it seems like every bug is a feature to someone 11:50 Joubu heh, yes 11:50 Joubu cait maybe? 11:51 cait reading back 11:51 cait i thin if indepenent branches on and you don't hae the super* or all* permission 11:51 cait you should not be able to order other libraries subscriptions 11:52 cait or actually change any data of another library 11:52 cait intrdocuing a super* permission for acq might be a possibl way to fix without changing behaviour 11:53 Joubu cait: and what about the admin module? 11:53 cait Joubu: another thing for the sbuscription order search... why do we show the other subscription that you can't order from because you are at the wrong vendor - shoudl at least show the vendor you can order it from instead :) 11:54 cait hm i think admins is harder, because you need admins that can access everything in a global system... 11:54 cait maybe circulation conditions etc coudl be separated .... but i'd push that to the back and fix other problems first 11:54 Joubu cait: because it reuses an existing script I guess 11:54 cait in general we shoudl have separate permissions for the admin areas tho 11:55 cait i am trying to separate currencies currently and move them to acq 11:55 Joubu cait: actually I am remove subroutines from C4::Branch 11:55 cait hm? 11:55 Joubu moving them to Koha::Libraries 11:55 Joubu C4::Branch::GetBranches for instance, takes a "onlymine" parameter 11:56 Joubu if it's not given, all the libraries will be displayed 11:56 Joubu unless there is a if ( $indbranch ) just above 11:57 Joubu actually there are 10 different ways to display the libraries 11:57 Joubu and I am trying to normalise that 11:58 Joubu the problem is that I don't manage to identify the bug and the feature... 11:58 cait hm yeah 11:58 cait don't have an anser i think right now 11:59 cait it seems like independent branches should hide a lot of the branch selections... 12:00 Joubu k 12:00 Joubu I will try to identify the issues 12:00 cait but not all.... becasue you might allow pick-up at another branch or something like that? 12:01 cait sorry 12:18 andreashm pfff, why cant I seem to get the sandboxes to work? bah. 12:22 cait hm someone reported a problem yesterday too i think - are they not working at all or patches don't apply? 12:24 andreashm don't know, I have only tried one patch. (on several of the sandboxes) 12:25 andreashm can try another I guess 12:26 andreashm I can't get them to work at all. both biblibre and ptfs. 12:27 andreashm Humm... I guess this means that I really need to solve my problem with reindexing Zebra so I can use my kohadevbox again. 12:35 andreashm didn't I read somewhere that there was changes made that you would need to update git bz? 12:36 andreashm because now that doesn't seem to work 12:36 cait yes, you need to change your git bz config 12:37 cait it's in the instructions on the wiki now i think 12:37 cait because bugs is only https now 12:37 andreashm a that was it 12:37 Joubu This has been done by alex_a on BibLibre's sandboxes I guess 12:40 andreashm thanks cait! cait++ 12:40 alex_a andreashm: What is the error on biblibre sandboxes ? 12:40 andreashm yup 12:41 andreashm can't apply patches 12:41 andreashm (I could be doing something wrong I guess) 12:46 oleonard HI #koha 12:46 andreashm hi oleonard 12:53 andreashm apparently the sandbox problem has to do with a new dependency that has no debian package. now I seem to have the same issue with my kohadevbox. any help on how to solve this? would be appreciated. 12:56 oleonard andreashm: drojf just attached a package to Bug 13618 12:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 12:59 magnuse drojf++ 13:02 andreashm drojf++ 13:02 liw does Koha have a friendly Debian developer to package and upload missing dependencies to Debian? 13:03 drojf if only we had a workshop about that :P 13:03 drojf jajm has uploaded it i think 13:04 andreashm alex_a++ 13:05 jajm it's not in Debian yet, but should be soon. if anyone want to help, join the pkg-perl group and see what has to be done here https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-perl/packages/libtemplate-stash-autoescaping-perl.git/tree/debian/changelog 13:06 oleonard jajm++ 13:06 liw I can recommend joining the Debian Perl module packaging team and co-ordinating packaging efforts with them; they have Debian developers who sponsor uploads to Debian proper, which helps everyone 13:07 liw oh, what jajm said 13:08 magnuse jajm++ 13:11 cait jajm++ liw++ :) 13:11 alex_a @all: All biblibre's sandboxes are fixed with the new template-stash-autoescaping dependency 13:11 huginn alex_a: I suck 13:12 drojf alex_a++ 13:12 alex_a thanks lds 13:12 lds alex_a: your welcome 13:13 lds alex_a: and dont forget hello madame 13:14 alex_a lds: :) 13:31 cait alex_a++ 14:07 drojf +1 for koha-us meeting in canada :D 14:21 oleonard My "last seen before" report omitted items which had *never* been seen, which is why "Official Netscape Navigator 2.0 book" is still in Koha. 14:26 drojf heh 14:31 cait oleonard: lol 14:41 drojf gotta go, later #koha 15:19 kidclamp oleonard:bug 15736 15:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15736 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a preference to control whether all items should be shown in checked-in items list 16:02 pianohacker yo 16:36 Joubu bye #koha 16:43 onre looking at my SRU source's logs, Koha is asking for SRU records like this: first, ask with maximumRecords 0 to find out total number, then query them one by one with maximumRecords 1 and incrementing startRecord 16:43 onre this causes a lot of requests 17:16 NorbertDD Hey, UsageStatsCountry Germany or Deutschland? 17:39 tcohen NorbertDD: Germany I presume 17:40 NorbertDD okay thx, now koha have one germany privat instance more :) 17:43 NorbertDD cait... https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15744 ich hoffe ich habe meinen ersten Bug richtig angelegt 17:43 huginn 04Bug 15744: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , GlobalSys: UsageStatsLibraryType German Text 2x "Firmenbibliothek" 17:44 cait i will switch from enh to minor - making it a bug instead of a feature :) 17:45 cait hm possibly only a translation error, i will have a look 17:46 NorbertDD okay, thx :) so i go home - the barcode scanner is coming today :) 17:49 cait have fun :) 18:31 gaetan_B bye 18:31 * magnuse waves 18:31 * bag knuckles 18:32 * magnuse knuckles back 18:39 * druthb looks at bag, and then just shakes her head. 18:39 * druthb waves to magnuse. 18:39 druthb You were on my mind last night, magnuse...made pizza. :) 18:40 bag huh? why would you shake your head at me? 18:40 druthb :P 18:40 bag magnuse and I have been knuckling for years! :) 18:41 druthb I know. I'm old, but memory is the *second* thing to go when you get old. 18:41 * bag shakes his head :P 18:43 druthb tsk. 18:43 * druthb is disappointed. 18:46 * magnuse likes pizza 18:46 druthb :) 18:47 cait ? 18:48 druthb Mine was pretty tasty. I cheated, though--these were on the recipe to use French bread for the base, but I used some lil loaves of Mexican bread from the market. Sausage, mushrooms, olives, tomatoes, lotsa cheese. 18:48 druthb cait: ? 18:52 magnuse druthb: bread for the base? 18:53 magnuse then i would seriously question if it can be called pizza, or if it is a hot cheese sandwich or something similar ;-) 18:54 * magnuse is not sure he can wait until after summer for the marseille cheese lunch... 18:54 druthb Fair 'nuf. Billed as pizza, and uses a pizza sauce. But no bread on top, so open-faced. 18:54 druthb But very tasty. 18:59 cait hm getting hungry now 19:05 magnuse druthb: sounds nice though, i'll refrain from further nitpicking :-) 19:09 druthb :) 19:12 magnuse friday? 19:12 wahanui friday is pizzaday 19:12 magnuse w00t! 19:13 * magnuse can't help wondering what kidclamp had for lunch :-) 19:15 * magnuse wanders off 19:19 kidclamp magnuse: pork sandwich with melted cheddar and maple mustard and a small cup of chicken noodle soup 19:26 eythian No wahanui, Thursday is pizza day 19:27 oleonard Thursday? 19:27 wahanui Thursday is pizza day 19:27 oleonard Wednesday? 19:27 wahanui hmmm... Wednesday is fine for me 19:27 oleonard Tuesday? 19:27 wahanui Tuesday is good too 19:27 oleonard Monday? 19:27 wahanui Monday is better 19:27 oleonard Sunday? 19:27 oleonard Saturday? 19:27 wahanui Saturday is probably going to be quiet. 19:28 oleonard today? 19:28 wahanui today is Friday 19:28 oleonard tomorrow? 19:28 wahanui tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today. 19:30 oleonard Now that that's settled... 19:30 * druthb draws her knife, and watches wahanui closely. 19:31 druthb darn thing is getting clever. 19:32 oleonard Clever? wahanui doesn't know what day it is, and blithely tells us that Monday is better than something! 19:32 oleonard Better than what wahanui ?! 19:33 druthb but it knows that tomorrow is pizza friday! 19:50 liz talljoy about? 19:50 liz cldarly no ;) 19:50 liz clearly 19:51 gmcharlt nor cedarly ;) 19:51 wizzyrea_ hi :) 19:51 gmcharlt howdy 19:52 oleonard Hi wizzyrea and gmcharlt 19:53 wizzyrea_ hi oleonard 19:55 wizzyrea_ how is everyone today? 19:56 eythian Hi wizzyrea or wizzyrea_. But not both. 19:57 wizzyrea_ :) 19:57 wizzyrea_ I'm not sure the world would actually be keen on two of me 19:58 oleonard Sorry I can't stay and chat wizzyrea. I'm off. 19:58 oleonard Bye all 19:58 wizzyrea_ later oleonard 19:58 eythian It would be very confusing for trea 19:58 wizzyrea_ confusing might not be the word he'd use >.> 19:59 * wizzyrea_ runs exactly away from that conversation 19:59 wizzyrea_ the neighbours chooks are very cheerful today, squawking up a storm 19:59 wizzyrea_ happy squawking, not alarmed squawking 20:00 eythian Why are you home/why does Catalyst have chickens for neighbours? 20:01 wizzyrea_ I have had the worst ever pink eye, and the doctor told me to stay home 20:01 wizzyrea_ it's almost better, I'll be back next week 20:01 eythian Ug fair enough 20:01 wizzyrea_ I couldn't work at all last week because it was so bad, and I was told to "stay at home or risk your whole office getting it" this week 20:02 wizzyrea_ so, uh, I've been working from home 20:02 wizzyrea_ yeah, tmi I know 20:02 eythian This wouldn't be a problem if everyone wasn't licking eyeballs all the time 20:02 wizzyrea_ hehe 20:02 wizzyrea_ crazy catalystas. 20:02 wizzyrea_ more just that it's crazy infectious 20:04 wizzyrea_ how are you? things going alright? 20:07 eythian Yeah, things are pretty good. 20:07 eythian Amsterdam is nice. 20:09 wizzyrea_ @wunder Amsterdam 20:09 huginn wizzyrea_: Error: No such location could be found. 20:10 wizzyrea_ doh 20:10 wizzyrea_ @wunder wlg 20:10 huginn wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 05, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 20:10 wizzyrea_ ^ you are lucky to be missing out on this one 20:10 wizzyrea_ it has been so hot this week 20:10 eythian So I've heard 20:10 eythian @wunder ams 20:10 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 5.7°C (8:30 PM CET on February 04, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 20:10 wizzyrea_ see that's too cold though ^.6 20:11 eythian Yeah 20:11 wizzyrea_ there is no winning here. 20:11 wizzyrea_ niwa says it's going to be warm and settled for another month or so 20:11 eythian That's actually pretty cold for his it's been, though it is 9pm 20:11 eythian How 20:12 wizzyrea_ el nino, I guess 20:12 wizzyrea_ i mean regarding our weather, not necessarily yorus 20:12 wizzyrea_ jeez. can't type. 20:13 wizzyrea_ oh, I was looking for talljoy because I had a question about csvtomarc, but uh, the expert is kind of here 20:13 wizzyrea_ do you feel like answering a question about csvtomarc eythian? it's ok if you don't 20:13 eythian Yorus is an electric pronoun 20:13 wizzyrea_ unlike yaris, which is a car. 20:14 eythian wizzyrea_: try me, I make no promises 20:15 wizzyrea_ well I have a situation where the librarian wants things in item type x to have columns A and B comma separated in the same marc field. I see that you can combine things, but I am failing at understanding how (well, *if* even) csvtomarc can do that 20:16 wizzyrea_ and there are other situations where those same fields go in different fields 20:16 wizzyrea_ same columns, I mean 20:17 eythian The situations make it complicated 20:18 eythian I don't think you can do it sometimes 20:18 eythian But you can combine, I'm sure 20:19 eythian It's probably called concat or something 20:21 wizzyrea_ ifmatch doesn't seem to be quite the right thing 20:21 wizzyrea_ that's more for taking a value and turning it into something else? 20:24 eythian It's been a while. Did you read the perldocs? 20:24 wizzyrea_ I did :) 20:25 eythian It's not a full-fledged language, so there are many cases it can't handle 20:25 wizzyrea_ it's ok, I will poke at it more 20:25 wizzyrea_ yeah, I am impressed with all the things it *can* do though 20:25 eythian You can read the source 😉 20:26 wizzyrea_ too right. 20:26 wizzyrea_ what I really liked about the perldocs is that I can totally tell who wrote them ^.^ 20:27 eythian Heh 20:39 bag @later tell trea - happy birthday man! 20:39 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 20:41 eythian @later tell bag happy not birthday! 20:41 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 20:41 bag thanks! 20:53 wizzyrea_ @later tell bag happy birthday man! 20:53 huginn wizzyrea_: The operation succeeded. 20:53 bag thanks! 20:56 eythian wahanui: bag is <reply>it's his birthday! 20:56 wahanui ...but bag is <reply> I LIKE BASEBALL... 20:56 eythian no wahanui, bag is <reply>it's his birthday! 20:56 wahanui okay, eythian. 20:56 wizzyrea_ bag is also <reply> I LIKE BASEBALL! 20:56 wahanui okay, wizzyrea_. 20:57 bag bag? 20:57 wizzyrea_ bag? 20:57 wahanui it's his birthday! 20:57 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL! 20:57 wizzyrea_ TEE 20:57 bag phew :) didn’t want to lose the BASEBALL one ;) 20:57 bag :P 20:58 pianohacker bag: I thought of you the other day, actually... was explaining state diagrams to a soccer player using a rough state diagram for soccer rules 20:58 pianohacker "Now, if you wanted to do something like baseball the state diagram would be WAY harder" 20:58 wizzyrea_ ha 20:59 pianohacker *makes spaghetti hand gestures* 20:59 bag exceptions to the exceptions as paul_p says 20:59 wizzyrea_ it's just a big database, how hard could it be? 20:59 gmcharlt bag: I have this image in my head that one of the interview questions at ByWater is: "Explain the infield fly rule.... 20:59 gmcharlt .... 21:00 eythian pianohacker: baseball is lightweight. Do cricket. 21:00 gmcharlt .... 21:00 gmcharlt in 50 words." 21:00 pianohacker gmcharlt: If that were true, it'd be bag and amyk and not a single other soul 21:00 pianohacker ESPECIALLY not nate 21:00 pianohacker (bbl doctor's appointment) 21:01 bag hahahaha! 21:01 bag great idea gmcharlt 21:01 eythian gmcharlt: no, you must explain what happens if a ball on bat hits a seagull and then is caught. 21:01 eythian And how does that differ from hitting a blackbird 21:01 bag well there are no such things as seagulls so it’s really a trick question 21:02 bag they are gulls :) 21:02 gmcharlt eythian: depends -- is it the seagull that's catching the ball? 21:02 bag which is perfect eythian (my undergrad is in ornithology) 21:02 wizzyrea_ cricket. 21:02 eythian bag: that's like cheating 😉 21:03 wizzyrea_ I sort of started to understand it during the cricket world cup 21:03 wizzyrea_ and then it was over and I lost it again. 21:03 eythian Heh. It's pretty straightforward. 21:03 wizzyrea_ hit the ball and run until you get out? 21:04 * wizzyrea_ hears palms hitting foreheads around the world 21:04 bag that’s baseball wizzyrea_ 21:04 wizzyrea_ ^.^ 21:04 eythian Well, it's also sometimes cricket 21:05 wizzyrea_ YES. 21:05 eythian Unless you bat a 4 or 6 in which case there's no point. 21:05 wizzyrea_ it's just you run back and forth instead of around in a vaguely diamond pattern. 21:05 eythian Roughly, yes 21:08 wizzyrea_ http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/trending/french-spelling-reforme-orthographe-je-suis-circonflexe-1.3433227 !!!!!! 21:09 wizzyrea_ oh man gonna be some seriously irritated french parents helping their kids with spelling practice. 21:09 wizzyrea_ look at how mad people got about common core math! 21:10 wizzyrea_ 2.3k shares 21:10 wizzyrea_ 40 comments 21:10 wizzyrea_ If you happen to be writing in French about tasting oysters and onions on a weekend in August, things are about to change. Starting in September, schools in France will teach new spellings of some words in a bid to simplify the written language. 21:10 wizzyrea_ Under the spelling reforms, the circumflex over i and u (or î and û) in many words will be removed. This affects words such as "goûter" (to taste), "huître" (oyster), and "août" (August). 21:10 wizzyrea_ As well, the word "oignon" (onion) will lose its pesky and silent "i" to become "ognon." And the French word "week-end," borrowed from English, is among several that are dropping the hyphen. 21:10 wizzyrea_ The Académie française, the council on French language that decides such things, approved the changes to about 2,400 words in 1990, but it took 26 years for them to make their way to the school system. 21:10 wizzyrea_ hm, that was more than I intended to paste. 21:10 wizzyrea_ 26 years! 21:11 eythian Here onion is "ui", pronounced roughly "ow" 21:11 gmcharlt my illusions about the absolute power of the Académie française are dashed! 26 years?!?! 21:11 wizzyrea_ excellent topics this morning, friends. 21:13 wizzyrea_ also a useful phrase in french 21:13 wizzyrea_ nivellement par le bas = (roughly) dumbing down 21:15 wizzyrea_ The Canadian equivalent of the Académie, l'Office québécois de la langue française, already recognizes the spelling reforms, but notes that neither the new spellings nor the traditional ones should be considered wrong. 21:17 eythian Now they're just like English! 21:18 eythian Except dropping u's and doing s/s/z/ is still wrong. 21:18 wizzyrea_ ^.^