IRC log for #koha, 2015-11-04

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00:59	wizzyrea	I wonder when setting the subject on runreport.pl was broken.
01:00	wizzyrea	also that doesn't take multiple addresses. grumpymaking.
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01:12	dcook	Break all the things!
01:12	* dcook	is actually working on fixing all the things and recovering data...
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01:29	eythian	http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Special-Delivery <-- a classic
01:36	Francesca	http://www.stuff.co.nz/busines[…]dmortar-bookstore
01:38	wizzyrea	oh my
01:39	Francesca	paper books are not yet dead
01:46	wizzyrea	nah, I think people are actually giving up on ebooks. I see a lot more paper books on the bus than kindles.
01:46	wizzyrea	or other ereaders.
01:46	wizzyrea	which is actually different from a couple of years ago
01:47	Francesca	i have a sony e-reader
01:47	Francesca	useful for international travel
01:47	Francesca	or travel which has limits on how many books I can bring
01:52	eythian	wizzyrea: many people are probably just using phones though
01:52	wizzyrea	a lot definitely are doing things online
01:52	wizzyrea	online reading
01:52	wizzyrea	I can't say for sure how many are reading ebooks though
01:52	wizzyrea	(I mean obviously)
01:52	dcook	I think print sales are rising as ebook sales are falling though
01:53	wizzyrea	^ I read this recently
01:53	wizzyrea	as well as observing bus habits of people
01:53	dcook	This is old now: http://www.smh.com.au/entertai[…]50118-12qmf4.html
01:53	dcook	Looks like it wasn't a huge increase for print
01:54	dcook	Anyone have networking tips?
01:54	dcook	I can ssh from one machine to another, but I can't do the same going backwards
01:54	dcook	So I ssh into Machine A, then ssh into Machine B
01:54	dcook	But Machine B can't ssh into Machine A
01:54	dcook	"ssh: connect to host XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX port 22: No route to host"
01:55	dcook	I figure it's either Machine A's firewall or the router?
01:56	dcook	I know I've heard of this before where Machine A and Machine B can both Network Segment B, but only Machine A can access Network Segment A... unless you add a route, I think
01:56	dcook	I suppose that is rather outside the scope of koha... :p
01:58	eythian	what is between the machines?
01:58	dcook	I'm not sure :/
01:58	eythian	most likely, there's a NATting gateway or something that only allows one-way traffic.
01:58	dcook	That's what I'm thinking
01:59	eythian	or possibly a firewall, but I wouldn't expect the no route error in that case.
01:59	dcook	Yeah, I would think you'd get at least a refused if it were the firewall, although maybe not for dropped packets..
02:00	eythian	that's timeout
02:00	dcook	Right, that would be it
02:00	eythian	no route is a router somewhere saying "I don't know how to get packets there"
02:00	dcook	I think there are a few NATs out there
02:00	dcook	Yeah, that's what I was thinking
02:00	dcook	Hmm, so I can ping Machine A but the packets get filtered
02:01	dcook	Not sure what that means though
02:02	dcook	I suppose it's my gateway saying they're filtered though, so i'm guessing my gateway is blocking it?
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02:02	cdickinson	I heard someone needs networking help
02:02	dcook	haha
02:02	dcook	Indeed!
02:03	dcook	I think I'm doomed, but I figure I'd better exhaust my possibilities
02:03	* cdickinson	looks at the logs
02:04	cdickinson	okay
02:04	eythian	dcook: trace(route\|path) or mtr may be more helpful
02:04	cdickinson	eythian has the right idea
02:05	cdickinson	it'll tell you what hop the traffic is having problems at
02:05	dcook	Yeah, I've been trying traceroute on both ends
02:05	dcook	Although not always sure what to look for
02:07	dcook	I try to traceroute Machine A
02:07	cdickinson	yep
02:07	dcook	But it says it's unable to lookup my gateway and Temporary failure in name resolution
02:08	cdickinson	DNS problem?
02:08	wahanui	I can't find that machine name
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02:08	cdickinson	wow, I just killed wahanui
02:08	dcook	That's what Google is saying, but I'm just using ip addresses
02:08	cdickinson	is it doing a reverse lookup?
02:09	cdickinson	depending on the implementation, traceroute tries a reverse lookup, I think
02:09	cdickinson	usually you can turn that off
02:09	dcook	I can use traceroute for other machines and it works though
02:09	eythian	dns google.com
02:09	wahanui	google.com is 74.125.227.164
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02:10	dcook	Ahh..
02:10	Francesca	woah wahanui just did a vanishing act
02:10	Francesca	and came back again but still
02:10	cdickinson	wahanui is crashing
02:10	dcook	It does seem to be doing a DNS lookup for the other machines..
02:10	dcook	Which are on the same <insert networking term I can't remember>
02:10	dcook	Same network segment?
02:10	eythian	subnet?
02:10	dcook	Oh wait...
02:10	dcook	That lookup isn't on my gateway
02:11	dcook	my gateeway is XX.XX.XXX.1
02:11	dcook	It's failing on XX.XX.XXX.2
02:11	dcook	No idea what XX.XX.XXX.2 is..
02:11	cdickinson	dcook: traceroute -n to disable reverse lookups
02:11	dcook	Mmm thought I'd seen that somewhere
02:11	dcook	Thanks cdickinson
02:12	dcook	So my first hop is XX.XX.XXX.2 and it stops there
02:12	dcook	N!
02:12	eythian	is .2 your local machine?
02:12	dcook	Nopes
02:12	dcook	It's no machine I know about
02:13	dcook	When I traceroute from Machine A to Machine B, it doesn't come up either
02:13	eythian	â€½
02:13	dcook	^
02:13	eythian	you may have a broken routing table then
02:13	eythian	'route -n' tells you your routing table
02:13	dcook	Yeah, it's not there :/
02:14	dcook	According to route -n, my gateway is .1
02:14	eythian	this doesn't fit with how things should be working. There must be missing information somewhere.
02:15	dcook	That's my thought, and I don't think I know anyone who knows that missing information
02:15	eythian	as in, there's something in your system that you haven't mentioned here that makes it make sense.
02:15	dcook	There's probably also that, yes
02:16	eythian	are you in RFC1918 space?
02:16	dcook	For Machine B, yes
02:16	dcook	Wait..
02:16	dcook	Maybe that means something different than I think it means
02:16	eythian	well you can't go from the internet into RFC1918 space
02:17	eythian	but you usually can go the other way
02:17	dcook	Machine B is in RFC1918 space
02:17	dcook	Machine A can get into it
02:17	Francesca	what is RFC1918 space
02:17	dcook	Machine A... I don't know what space it's in.
02:17	eythian	you need to know that
02:17	eythian	Francesca: private adressing that isn't routable on the internet
02:18	Francesca	ah
02:18	dcook	Machine A doesn't look like RFC1918 space
02:18	dcook	Fwiw, I think there are at least 2 different NATs somewhere
02:19	eythian	yeah, that's not going to be fun
02:19	dcook	There's a HTTP proxy at some point as well
02:23	dcook	I'm guessing that it's a NAT somewhere, as you said
02:23	dcook	I think I'll have to abandon my hope for now
02:27	cdickinson	get to know more about how the layout works, then it should be easier to debug
02:31	dcook	Yeah, that's my thought
02:31	dcook	I was hoping there might be some tips and tricks for doing it without needing to visit the real world
02:31	dcook	I think I might have a network diagram at home..
02:31	dcook	Which may or may not be accurate
02:39	wizzyrea	can you use a different port than 22 for escaping? something they might always let out like 80?
02:40	wizzyrea	that's probably a completely daft suggestion.
02:44	dcook	It can't even get to that other machine :/
02:44	dcook	I can do things in reverse though, so maybe that will be good enough
02:44	dcook	Or maybe I can track down who is in charge of the network...
02:47	cdickinson	if routes aren't being broadcast properly, some router on the path isn't connected properly... or something may just be confused, that happens sometimes, especially if configuration changes
02:47	cdickinson	may not be configured properly*
02:47	cdickinson	it's been a long day
02:59	dcook	looooong day
03:00	cdickinson	I got a $65 parking ticket today
03:01	cdickinson	running late for a presentation today, grabbed a 180 minute park at the university and was still in there more than 180 minutes later
03:01	cdickinson	despite the rain, the parking wardens are ruthless
03:01	cdickinson	so yeah, kind of over today
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03:06	wizzyrea	:(
03:08	dcook	:(
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06:21	* magnuse	waves
06:25	* dcook	waves to magnuse
06:25	dcook	you're late :p
06:26	magnuse	i am? nah, pretty normal i think
06:27	magnuse	well, there isn't too much normal around here
06:27	magnuse	anyway, dcook you can go home now ;-)
06:28	dcook	I really need to go home ;)
06:28	dcook	I think I might even have some time to play today...
06:28	dcook	Well, maybe I should finish the chores...
06:29	dcook	But really tempted to keep plodding away on my fledgling Android app
06:29	dcook	Or fix up my Ansible playbooks
06:29	dcook	Or...
06:29	dcook	:p
06:39	magnuse	:-)
06:40	magnuse	ooh, team bywater for rm, interesting :-)
06:40	dcook	?
06:42	dcook	Ahh interesting
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06:43	dcook	I wish I could do QA... half tempted to do it
06:43	dcook	Even if I rarely ever have time for it
06:43	* dcook	really really needs to go home
06:43	ashimema	dcook.. anyone can 'Fail QA' ;)
06:44	dcook	That's true...hehe
06:44	ashimema	but you'd be more than welcome on the team to pass them too ;)
06:44	dcook	Considering I haven't been testing either... I suppose that's a sign
06:44	ashimema	I'd back you.. even if you could just done a couple a month that would be better than i've managed recently
06:46	magnuse	bag says " We really need a strong QA group - ideally it should be 6~7 people - so we need more of you to volunteer here - no matter what - even if you only QA one thing a week - it helps us all) "
06:46	dcook	Yeah, I was just reading that
06:48	ashimema	is this on the wiki somewhere magnuse?
06:48	magnuse	yup
06:48	magnuse	http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal
06:49	magnuse	i am tempted to move that to a slightly more meaningful page name...
06:50	dcook	Ok, actually going now
06:50	dcook	Ciao!
06:50	magnuse	"Brendan Gallagher 3.24 RM proposal" sound ok?
06:50	magnuse	have fun dcook
06:50	ashimema	sounds sensible to me ;)
06:50	ashimema	I was thinking similar
06:53	ashimema	sounds like a pretty good proposal
06:54	ashimema	but he's right.. really needs a good QA team to back it up..
06:54	ashimema	all good having a solid release team but he bugs need to get to them ;)
06:54	ashimema	bag++
06:55	ashimema	I hope I'll have more time for Koha again soon.. but soon is still likely another 2 months away :(
06:55	magnuse	there http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_3.24_RM_proposal
06:56	magnuse	we need more people to sign off too, though...
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06:58	ashimema	indeed
06:58	ashimema	at the moment the community as a whole is a bit 'man hour starved'
06:59	ashimema	in all levels.. signoff -> qa -> mm -> rm are all lacking time :(
07:02	magnuse	yup
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07:04	Aizawl	hello, anybody
07:06	Aizawl	hello, i need some help
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07:10	magnuse	Aizawl: just state your problem and if anyone can help they will reply
07:12	Aizawl	my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:22	Aizawl	my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:22	wahanui	i already had it that way, Aizawl.
07:22	magnuse	Aizawl: sorry, i don't know anything about the barcodes. hopefully someone else does. if you do not get a reply here, you might consider sending your question to the email list, you will reach more people that way
07:24	Aizawl	thanks, magnuse but let me wait here.
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07:40	alex_a	bonjour
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07:40	Aizawl	let me rephrase my problem again.
07:40	Aizawl	my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:40	wahanui	i already had it that way, Aizawl.
07:41	reiveune	hello
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07:46	ClintD	could someone please put in my apology for tonights (late) irc meeting pls
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07:55	drojf	morning #koha
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08:20	Francesca	heya
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08:25	* Francesca	waves at cait
08:25	* cait	waves back at Francesca :)
08:25	Francesca	sup
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08:26	jajm	hello
08:26	Francesca	hi jajm
08:27	cait	hi jajm :)
08:27	wahanui	hi jajm :) are you in charge of the biblibre sandboxes now?
08:28	jajm	hi Francesca and cait :) (and wahanui too of course)
08:28	Francesca	lol
08:28	Francesca	we mustn't forget wahanui
08:30	Francesca	@wunder wlg
08:30	huginn	Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0Â°C (9:00 PM NZDT on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 3.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:30	Francesca	ugggh so cold
08:31	Francesca	its meant to be spring here
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08:52	drojf	@wunder berlin, germany
08:52	huginn	drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 0.0Â°C (9:20 AM CET on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0Â°C. Windchill: -2.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
08:52	drojf	eeek
08:52	Francesca	ugh cold
08:52	Francesca	really cold
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08:53	Francesca	don't envy you right now drojf
08:56	magnuse	@wunder boo
08:56	huginn	magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0Â°C (9:50 AM CET on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0Â°C. Windchill: 1.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:56	magnuse	nice!
08:58	drojf	you're a fanof light rain, magnuse? :)
08:58	drojf	*fan of
08:58	drojf	oh, it does not even say light :D
08:59	Francesca	you're a fan of rain, magnuse?
08:59	magnuse	nah, was mostly thinking about the temp
08:59	cait	we still need volunteers testing things for the release
08:59	magnuse	not raining right now, though
08:59	* cait	tries to recruit
09:00	magnuse	cait++
09:00	drojf	cait: sorry, busy talking about the weather
09:00	* drojf	hides
09:00	cait	oh come on.... dates patches
09:00	* magnuse	tries to bully himeself into completing the last bit of testing of the ncip code, for now
09:00	cait	bug 15112 is also nice
09:00	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15112 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Make greybox consistent size across label and patron card creator
09:01	cait	bug 14954
09:01	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14954 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from holiday related files in folder tools
09:01	* Francesca	wishes there were more webpages to style
09:01	cait	bug 14954
09:01	magnuse	you just said that :-)
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09:02	cait	well, it's till there and needs testing!
09:02	Francesca	at least bugzilla looks like koha now
09:02	cait	Francesca: yep - nice :)
09:02	cait	you could make christmas themes maybe - for the dashboard
09:02	cait	i loved the halloween one
09:02	Francesca	not yet
09:03	Francesca	but i shall do mulitple christmas themes come december
09:03	Francesca	just gotta wait for december
09:03	cait	:)
09:03	cait	Viktor: looking for testing volunteers...
09:03	magnuse	ooh, Viktor looks like he might be ready for a signoff or two
09:03	cait	he is so nice... he just can't say no, right?
09:04	Viktor	Which one are we talking about?
09:04	cait	bug 15112
09:04	wahanui	bug 15112 is nice
09:05	cait	or one of the C4:::Dates patches would be awesome
09:05	Francesca	where is huginn
09:05	wahanui	i think huginn is a weather forecaster
09:05	cait	the numbers for those are 14998 14985 14969 14965 14960 14954 14946
09:05	cait	dependency tree with them all is here, if you mouse over you can see which still need sign-off
09:06	cait	http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]0&hide_resolved=1
09:06	Viktor	I'll ask if bumby can have a look while waiting for input on the prio1 we're doing right now.
09:06	cait	oh the prio1
09:06	cait	what's the prio1? :) curious
09:08	cait	and remember all... today is election meeting!
09:08	cait	in an hour
09:08	cait	drojf: can i recruit you to send a reminder to the mailing list?
09:09	Viktor	Connection to central people registration in sweden, payments online through opac, different categories for the same patron (in some use cases), connecting ILL to Libris, expose e-books borrowing in the "My loans" on Opac. And not least getting the items and not only the records into Koha when ordering from our vendors.
09:10	Viktor	(Though he's not working on all of those at once and they're not even briefed. But we'll want to make them happen if possible)
09:11	Francesca	probably time I was sleeping, night #koha
09:12	Viktor	Xarragon is working on finishing up the CMS system and is then going to add listing of "extended patron attributes" to ILS-DI and customize getStatus to make it work with Libris who wants to match on the 001-data
09:14	Viktor	Myself I'm frustrated about our overdues patches. I though it was a general improvement that broke nothing and added flexibility but it's one that we burned lots of time and money on.
09:15	Viktor	(Also I'm having a bad day - sorry if it sounded unnecessary cranky)
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09:21	magnuse	Oak
09:23	drojf	cait: oh, meeting? 10 utc?
09:23	drojf	i'm very good at missing meetings lately :(
09:23	drojf	that is a skill, right?
09:24	cait	Viktor: i understand cranky, feeling a bit off myself today. lots of those sound really interesting
09:24	cait	Viktor: have you seen kyle's patch for order marc records?
09:24	cait	it could go in the directin fo your vendor/items dev
09:24	cait	drojf: i think so, but please double check http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_4_November_2015
09:26	drojf	okwill send an email and run to the office ;)
09:26	cait	great thx
09:27	drojf	got a junk mail from "office office". that must be a sign
09:28	magnuse	looks like the meeting is ~0.5 hours away
09:28	Viktor	cait Thanks no I missed that. Will have to have a look.
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09:29	cait	Viktor: i have to admit that i had problems testing it - because i didn't quite undertand the use case. but maybe we can clear that up a bit :)
09:30	cait	bug 10877
09:30	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10877 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add "Order Record" processing
09:32	drojf	email sent
09:32	cait	drojf++
09:33	drojf	gotta run, hope to be there in time. later #koha
09:36	magnuse	drojf++
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09:39	* andreashm	waves
09:40	* magnuse	waves back
09:40	cait	andreashm: what did i read? you are moving?
09:40	* Viktor	waves at andreashm
09:41	magnuse	cait: closer to you, i think :-)
09:41	bag	alright I was trying to stay awake for the meeting
09:41	bag	but I am pooped
09:41	bag	sorry all - catch you in channel tomorrow - night night
09:41	bag	magnuse: knuckles dood
09:42	bag	I gave a copy of my notes to cait for the koha fund news - weâ€™ve got some great news :)
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09:43	magnuse	bag: HI
09:43	indradg	aloha #koha
09:43	* magnuse	sends bag some instant coffee
09:46	magnuse	hiya indradg
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09:46	* indradg	waves at magnuse
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09:48	cait	morning tcohen :)
09:48	tcohen	yawn
09:48	tcohen	hi cait
09:49	cait	how early is it for you?
09:49	Amit_Gupta	hi cait
09:49	Amit_Gupta	hi tcohen
09:50	tcohen	6:50
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09:55	cait	get ready everyone... 5 mins
09:56	* tcohen	seeks for the biggest mug to prepare coffee
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09:57	cait	getting full on #koha :)
09:58	tcohen	hi tajoli bgkriegel_p
09:58	bgkriegel_p	Hi all, by phone :)
09:59	cait	morning bgkriegel_p :)
09:59	cait	ok, let's get this started
09:59	tajoli	Hi all
10:00	cait	#startmeeting General IRC meeting 4 November 2015
10:00	huginn	Meeting started Wed Nov 4 10:00:10 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:00	huginn	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:00		Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
10:00	huginn	The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015'
10:00	cait	#topic Introductions
10:00	wahanui	#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:00		Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
10:00	eythian	#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington
10:00	cait	please introduce yourself with #info, following wahanui's example
10:00	cait	today's agenda is
10:00	cait	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_4_November_2015
10:00	tcohen	#info TomÃ¡s Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
10:01	magnuse	#info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:01	bgkriegel_p	#info Bernardo GonzÃ¡lez Kriegel
10:01	wnickc	#info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
10:01	cait	#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
10:01	indradg	#info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Tech, India
10:02	tajoli	Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy
10:02	fredericd	#info FrÃ©dÃ©ric Demians, Tamil, France
10:02	tajoli	#info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy
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10:03	cait	drojf: intro please :)
10:03	drojf	sorry, late :)
10:03	drojf	#info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
10:03	cait	moving on to the next topic, see agenda above
10:03	xarragon	Hm, is OPACBaseURL supposed to point to 127.0.1.1:8080?
10:03	cait	#topic Announcements
10:03		Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
10:04	xarragon	Or how do i form a link to an OPAC page from the staff itnerface?
10:04	cait	xarragon: it should be http(s):// and then the base url or your opac
10:04	cait	of your opac... but in a meeting now, maybe ask a little later
10:04	cait	Any announcements? tcohen?
10:04	tcohen	Koha.Preference('OPACBaseUrl')
10:05	tcohen	ah yes
10:05	xarragon	tcohen: Ok, I was using the variable exposed by the get_template_and_foobar() call..
10:06	tcohen	Only that by the end of the week we need to have a beta release, so feature freeze is approaching
10:06	tcohen	it will depend on how involved people are on fixing bugs
10:06	tcohen	the more people, the less time i need to spend on fixing bugs
10:06	tcohen	so more time to push things
10:07	tcohen	that's why we set the trello board
10:07	tcohen	so people notice things that need attention
10:07	cait	#link https://trello.com/b/U2qRMwJO/3-22-blockers
10:07	xarragon	tcohen: Ah, I have not set that preference
10:07	xarragon	tcohen: Thanks for the help
10:07	tcohen	right now, there aren't big issues (in general)
10:07	tcohen	but there are a couple problems in Plack
10:08	cait	bug 15032
10:08	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
10:08	tcohen	that require people to spend hours debugging them
10:08	cait	bug 14743
10:08	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , addorder.pl redirect problems under plack behind apache 2.4.10
10:08	tajoli	thomas, trello is private
10:08	indradg	+ 1 tajoli
10:08	eythian	also proprietary
10:08	tcohen	yeah, specially 15032, which is a bit tricky, and looks like an integration issue, somehow
10:08	tcohen	tajoli: not anymore
10:08	cait	there are also some plack problems in the 'needs QA' queue - i am nto there yet with plack, so help appreciated
10:09	tcohen	eythian: next time we'll use taiga
10:09	eythian	:)
10:09	indradg	thanks tcohen
10:09	tcohen	so I'll be focusing on the plack issues
10:10	tcohen	and pushing enhancements until friday/saturday
10:10	tcohen	that's all the announcements
10:10	cait	there are also some patches releated to removing the old outdated C4::Dates package, that need testing still http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]0&hide_resolved=1 for an overview (mouse over to see status)
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10:11	cait	#info Koha Beta to be relesased by end of week, so features will only be pushed until then
10:11	cait	#info Please help fix/text open bugs as noted on the (now public) trello board
10:11	cait	questions for further announcements?
10:11	tajoli	About SQL setup (non MARC) translation
10:12	tcohen	there might be missing bugs on that propietary board, though, please add them or speak up
10:12	tajoli	This week or later ?
10:12	tcohen	?
10:12	cait	#info please let us know if something is missing on the Trello board - so it can be added (or add yourself if you have an account)
10:12	cait	tajoli: i think a part of those have already been pushed
10:12	tajoli	All SQL files that have stings to transalte (no MARC)
10:13	cait	or do you mean the web installer files?
10:13	tajoli	Yes web installer files
10:13	wahanui	web installer files are sql files
10:13	tcohen	tajoli: what about them?
10:13	tcohen	ah
10:13	cait	translating the new notices and all that
10:13	tcohen	don't worry about that tajoli
10:13	tajoli	do we prefer to transalte them this week or later
10:14	tajoli	?
10:14	tcohen	it can happen after the beta
10:14	mveron	#info Marc VÃ©ron, Allschwil, Koha Support Schweiz
10:14	xarragon	tcohen: AHA, that's whatw as wrong actually.. It is not set as a template variable by the get_template_and_auth, so it was empty, and browser just defaulted to the same document.
10:14	cait	might make sense too - in case you push more changes :)
10:14	cait	moving on?
10:14	tcohen	sure
10:14	xarragon	tcohen: So I found a bug of mine there thanks to you!
10:14	cait	#topic KohaCon15
10:14		Topic for #koha is now KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
10:14	* magnuse	hopes to do an update of the nb-NO web installer files
10:14	cait	It happened! :)
10:15	magnuse	yay!
10:15	cait	rangi has some summaries and information about it on his blogs - feedback seemed quite positive
10:15	cait	nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:15	magnuse	http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/kohacon15/
10:15	tcohen	nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:15	cait	#link http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/kohacon15/
10:16	magnuse	nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:16	cait	something to add here?
10:16	cait	Moving on then
10:17	tcohen	yeap
10:17	cait	#topic Elections of the release team for Koha 3.24
10:17		Topic for #koha is now Elections of the release team for Koha 3.24 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
10:17	cait	ok, before we start with voting
10:18	cait	are there questions about the proposals, roles or procedure?
10:18	bag	#info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions
10:18	bag	waves from his sleep
10:18	cait	sleep walking RM-candidate...
10:18	drojf	sleepwalking release manager, awesome
10:18	cait	jinx
10:19	drojf	:D
10:19	magnuse	or sleepvoting
10:19	* bag	no vote ;)
10:19	cait	don't sleep and push...
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10:19	cait	ok, so we got no questions?
10:19	bag	friends donâ€™t let friends sleep and push
10:19	cait	i'd like to do a group vote for the roles with multiple names people under one of the bold headings
10:19	cait	does that work for everyone?
10:19	cait	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.24
10:19	drojf	+1
10:20	mveron	+1
10:20	tcohen	+1
10:20	cait	otherwise, we will work top to bottom
10:20	tajoli	+1
10:20	cait	now i need to figure out the vote bot again, give me a little moment
10:20	cait	#startvote help
10:20	huginn	Unable to parse vote topic and options.
10:20	cait	hm
10:21	cait	and if someone knows how to see the help page ... :)
10:21	eythian	@help startvote
10:21	huginn	eythian: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:21	eythian	#help startvote
10:21	cait	@help startvote
10:21	huginn	cait: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:21	* eythian	fails to help
10:21	drojf	@help start vote
10:21	huginn	drojf: Error: There is no command "start vote".
10:21	drojf	worth a try
10:21	drojf	eythian: no more package management for you?
10:21	magnuse	@help startvote
10:21	huginn	magnuse: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:22	cait	#startvote Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM? (yes,no)
10:22	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:22	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
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10:22	eythian	drojf: nope, passing the torch, found a willing victim :)
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10:22	cait	phrasing it as a question is kind of hard
10:22	magnuse	#vote yes
10:22	tcohen	do you supportâ€¦
10:22	cait	Brendan's proposal can be found here btw
10:22	jajm	#vote yes
10:22	tajoli	#vote yes
10:22	cait	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal
10:22	tcohen	#vote yes
10:22	mveron	#vote yes
10:22	cait	#vote yes
10:22	drojf	#vote yes
10:23	cait	tcohen: that's good, will use it next time
10:23	drojf	good proposal, bad link (if that is the correct link)
10:23	cait	hm works for me
10:23	tcohen	cait: so you are signing to chair in six months?
10:23	drojf	(just calling the page proposal i mean)
10:23	magnuse	i moved it
10:23	drojf	magnuse++
10:23	eythian	#vote yes
10:23	schnydszch	#info Eugene Espinoza Philippines. Sorry it's the monthly meeting. :)
10:24	cait	tcohen: ?
10:24	magnuse	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_3.24_RM_proposal
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10:24	cait	ending the vote in a moment...
10:24	fredericd	#vote yes
10:24	cait	#endvote
10:24	huginn	Voted on "Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM?" Results are
10:24	huginn	yes (9): magnuse, cait, eythian, jajm, fredericd, tajoli, tcohen, drojf, mveron
10:24	cait	ah nice, it works this time
10:24	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:25	cait	#agreed RM: Brendan Gallagher yes (9): magnuse, cait, eythian, jajm, fredericd, tajoli, tcohen, drojf, mveron (+1 yes after ending the vote)
10:25	magnuse	congrats bag!
10:25	eythian	poor bag ;)
10:25	tcohen	congratulations Brendan!
10:25	tcohen	bag++
10:25	drojf	bag++
10:25	mveron	bag++
10:25	cait	#startvote Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), FrÃ©deric Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers? (yes,no)
10:25	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), FrÃ©deric Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:25	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:26	cait	#vote yes
10:26	eythian	#vote yes
10:26	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:26	tajoli	#vote yes
10:26	wnickc	#vote yes
10:26	mveron	#vote yes
10:26	drojf	#vote yes
10:26	magnuse	#vote yes
10:26	fredericd	#vote yes
10:26	jajm	#vote yes
10:26	tcohen	#vote yes
10:27	cait	ending the vote in a moment
10:27	cait	oh and congrats bag of course :)
10:27	cait	#endvote
10:27	huginn	Voted on "Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), FrÃ©deric Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers?" Results are
10:27	huginn	yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, cait, mveron, tcohen, drojf, schnydszch
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10:28	cait	#agreed Release maintainers: Julian Maurice (3.22), FrÃ©deric Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18). yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, cait, mveron, tcohen, drojf, schnydszch
10:28	cait	#startvote Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, FrÃ©deric Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP? (yes,no)
10:28	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, FrÃ©deric Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:28	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:28	magnuse	#vote yes
10:28	eythian	#vote yes
10:28	tcohen	#vote yes
10:28	mveron	#vote yes
10:28	tajoli	#vote yes
10:28	drojf	#vote yes
10:28	wnickc	#vote yes
10:28	jajm	#vote yes
10:29	fredericd	#vote yes
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10:29	cait	#vote yes
10:29	cait	closing vote in a moment
10:29	bgkriegel	#vote yes
10:30	cait	#endvote
10:30	huginn	Voted on "Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, FrÃ©deric Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP?" Results are
10:30	huginn	yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, mveron, cait, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:30	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:30	cait	#agreed Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, FrÃ©deric Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP. yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, mveron, cait, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:30	cait	#startvote Do you support Bernardo GonzÃ¡lez Kriegel as Translation manager? (yes,no)
10:30	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support Bernardo GonzÃ¡lez Kriegel as Translation manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:30	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:30	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:30	* cait	just hopes she typed all the names right
10:31	cait	#vote yes
10:31	drojf	#vote yes
10:31	mveron	#vote yes
10:31	tcohen	#vote yes
10:31	tajoli	#vote yes
10:31	eythian	#vote yes
10:31	jajm	#vote yes
10:31	tcohen	thanks bgkriegel!
10:31	fredericd	#vote yes
10:31	wnickc	#vote yes
10:31	magnuse	#vote yes
10:31	cait	bgkriegel++ :)
10:31	bgkriegel	:)
10:31	HAgud	#vote yes
10:32	cait	ending vote in a moment
10:32	bag	back ha thanks for the support all
10:32	* bag	will still stay out of it for now
10:32	cait	#endvote
10:32	huginn	Voted on "Do you support Bernardo GonzÃ¡lez Kriegel as Translation manager?" Results are
10:32	huginn	yes (12): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, cait, mveron, schnydszch, drojf, tcohen
10:32	cait	more and more people waking up :)
10:32	cait	#agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo GonzÃ¡lez Kriegel. yes (12): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, cait, mveron, schnydszch, drojf, tcohen
10:32	eythian	but it's bedtime
10:33	bgkriegel	thanks to all :)
10:33	cait	I will combine the next too if noone vetoes :)
10:33	cait	thx to you! :)
10:33	magnuse	go cait go :-)
10:33	cait	#startvote Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager? (yes,no)
10:33	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:33	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:33	eythian	#vote yes
10:33	cait	#vote yes
10:33	tcohen	#vote yes
10:33	bgkriegel	#vote yes
10:33	mveron	#vote yes
10:33	tajoli	#vote yes
10:33	wnickc	#vote yes
10:33	HAgud	#vote yes
10:33	jajm	#vote yes
10:33	magnuse	#vote yes
10:34	fredericd	#vote yes
10:34	cait	closing vote in a moment
10:34	cait	#endvote
10:34	huginn	Voted on "Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager?" Results are
10:34	huginn	yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, fredericd, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, cait, mveron, tcohen, bgkriegel
10:34	cait	#agreed Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard. yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, fredericd, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, cait, mveron, tcohen, bgkriegel
10:34	cait	#chair drojf
10:34	huginn	Current chairs: cait drojf
10:34	drojf	ok, taking over for cait briefly so she can concentrate on being elected :)
10:34	cait	handing over to drojf
10:34	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:34	drojf	#startvote Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager? (yes,no)
10:34	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:34	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:35	bgkriegel	#vote yes
10:35	jajm	#vote yes
10:35	wnickc	#vote yes
10:35	fredericd	#vote yes
10:35	mveron	#vote yes
10:35	tcohen	#vote yes
10:35	eythian	#vote yes
10:35	magnuse	#vote yes
10:35	HAgud	#vote yes
10:35	drojf	closing vote in a minute
10:35	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:36	drojf	#endvote
10:36	huginn	Voted on "Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager?" Results are
10:36	huginn	yes (10): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, mveron, tcohen, schnydszch, bgkriegel
10:36	drojf	#agreed: QA Manager: Katrin Fischer yes (10): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, mveron, tcohen, schnydszch, bgkriegel
10:36	magnuse	cait++
10:36	tcohen	cait++
10:36	drojf	oh damn i forgot to vote myself
10:37	eythian	haha
10:37	drojf	sorry :) for the record #vote yes
10:37	tcohen	so ou don't support her
10:37	drojf	handing back to cait
10:37	cait	sobs
10:37	cait	;)
10:37	mveron	cait ++
10:37	drojf	i can only do one thing at a time :'(
10:37	thd	#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:38	tajoli	sorry, dealy. for the record #vote yes
10:38	thd	#vote yes
10:38	drojf	ok i'll do qa team too, just a sec
10:39	drojf	#startvote Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team? (yes,no)
10:39	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:39	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:39	mveron	#vote yes
10:39	jajm	#vote yes
10:39	eythian	#vote yes
10:39	tcohen	#vote yes
10:39	drojf	#vote yes
10:39	wnickc	#vote yes
10:39	bgkriegel	#vote yes
10:39	HAgud	#vote yes
10:39	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:40	wnickc	zaphod
10:40	fredericd	#vote yes
10:40	wnickc	oops
10:40	eythian	tcohen: voting for yourself eh? ;)
10:40	thd	#vote yes
10:40	magnuse	#vote yes
10:40	tajoli	#vote yes
10:40	tcohen	eythian: at this point i'm shameless
10:40	eythian	heh
10:40	* cait	is very happy about the QA team :)
10:40	drojf	closing vote in a moment
10:40	cait	#vote yes
10:41	tcohen	all your sheeps
10:41	drojf	#endvote
10:41	huginn	Voted on "Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team?" Results are
10:41	huginn	yes (14): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, cait, HAgud, tajoli, mveron, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:42	drojf	#agreed: Quality Assurance (QA) Team: Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart: yes (14): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, cait, HAgud, tajoli, mveron, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:42	cait	:)
10:42	cait	I will continue now :)
10:42	drojf	handing back to the old and new qa manager/chair person
10:42	cait	#startvote Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager? (yes,no)
10:42	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:42	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:42	eythian	#vote yes
10:42	tcohen	#vote yes
10:42	fredericd	#vote yes
10:42	thd	#vote yes
10:42	eythian	#vote yes
10:42	mveron	#vote yes
10:42	drojf	#vote yes
10:42	magnuse	#vote yes
10:42	tajoli	#vote yes
10:42	eythian	#vote yes
10:43	cait	and eythian++ for all the hard work done
10:43	HAgud	#vote yes
10:43	eythian	#vote no
10:43	cait	#vote yes
10:43	eythian	just kidding
10:43	eythian	#vote yes
10:43	magnuse	eythian++
10:43	wnickc	#vote yes
10:43	bgkriegel	#vote yes
10:43	tcohen	eythian++
10:43	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:43	eythian	:)
10:43	jajm	#vote yes
10:43	tcohen	gmcharlt++
10:43	eythian	#vote yes
10:43	indradg	#vote yes
10:43	cait	closing vote in a moment
10:43	eythian	#vote yes
10:44	cait	#endvote
10:44	huginn	Voted on "Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager?" Results are
10:44	huginn	yes (15): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, schnydszch, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, tajoli, indradg, mveron, cait, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:44	eythian	#vote yes
10:44	magnuse	question about the "Continous integration infrastructure maintainer" role: bag mentioned something about CI in his proposal - will tcohen in this role (potentially) conflict with bag's plans?
10:44	cait	#agreed Packaging Manager: Galen Charlton. yes (15): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, schnydszch, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, tajoli, indradg, mveron, cait, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:44	tcohen	i'm not sure we'll conflict
10:44	magnuse	gmcharlt++
10:45	tcohen	my idea is taking care of the continous integration infrastructure tp
10:45	tcohen	to
10:45	tcohen	1) make it more useful
10:45	drojf	every time i am highlighted after a vote ends i am in fear i volunteered for something being half asleep
10:45	tcohen	2) go beyond testing: packaging automation and doc generation
10:46	eythian	drojf: secretly you are being voted for every role
10:46	magnuse	bag said in his proposal: "Jesse Weaver (Pianohacker) and Kyle Hall - help me with the tech and will be on the QA team. [...] One of them will be responsible as the Jenkins manager since I will need help there."
10:46	drojf	tcohen: i think bag had someone appointed to do jenkins stuff in his proposal, that is probably what magnuse is talking about
10:46	drojf	ah he can explain it better himself :)
10:46	cait	bag? :)
10:46	cait	might have fallen asleep now
10:46	magnuse	yup
10:46	cait	my feeling is, that it won't conflict -t here is lots to do
10:47	tcohen	bag
10:47	magnuse	yeah, same for me, i just wanted to point it out
10:47	drojf	i suppose the more people volunteer on doing stuff, the better
10:47	tcohen	magnuse: it makes sense
10:47	drojf	otherwise you will challenge each other to a duel and sort it out
10:47	cait	hehe
10:47	magnuse	"chief jenkins assistant to the rm"
10:47	cait	bug squash duel!
10:48	magnuse	yeah!
10:48	magnuse	now we're talking
10:48	indradg	heh
10:48	eythian	vservers at dawn
10:48	magnuse	well, if bag is asleep let's just vote and leave the duelling for later
10:48	cait	ok
10:48	cait	#startvote Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi
10:48	huginn	Unable to parse vote topic and options.
10:48	indradg	magnuse+
10:48	tcohen	hm
10:48	cait	oh sec
10:48	drojf	needs answer options
10:48	cait	#startvote Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi? (yes,no)
10:48	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:48	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:48	magnuse	#vote yes
10:49	eythian	#vote yes
10:49	mveron	#vote yes
10:49	cait	#vote yes
10:49	HAgud	#vote yes
10:49	indradg	#vote yes
10:49	jajm	#vote yes
10:49	wnickc	#vote yes
10:49	thd	#vote yes
10:49	fredericd	#vote yes
10:49	drojf	#vote yes
10:49	drojf	i'm so tired, did i vote twice now?
10:49	bgkriegel	#vote yes
10:49	tcohen	drojf: no
10:50	tajoli	#vote yes
10:50	magnuse	drojf: even if you did, the bot would keep track of it :-)
10:50	cait	ending vote in a moment
10:50	drojf	i know :)
10:50	cait	#endvote
10:50	huginn	Voted on "Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi?" Results are
10:50	huginn	yes (13): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, indradg, mveron, thd, drojf, tajoli, bgkriegel
10:51	tcohen	#info tcohen will duel brendan's guys if there is a conflict
10:51	magnuse	yay!
10:51	cait	#agreed Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi. yes (13): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, indradg, mveron, thd, drojf, tajoli, bgkriegel
10:51	mveron	Question: Can I still join the Bug Wranglers?
10:51	cait	hehe
10:51	drojf	lol
10:51	drojf	mveron: yes
10:51	magnuse	mveron: if you hurry :-)
10:51	drojf	do it now!
10:51	tcohen	mveron: you ARE a bug wrangler
10:51	mveron	Ok
10:51	drojf	mveron++
10:51	tcohen	mveron++
10:51	thd	mveron++
10:51	cait	please add yourself to the wiki
10:51	cait	i will add you to my voting thing :)
10:52	* mveron	can not login to the wiki at the moment
10:53	* magnuse	can do it
10:53	cait	#startvote Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc VÃ©ron? (yes,no)
10:53	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc VÃ©ron? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:53	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:53	cait	#vote yes
10:53	jajm	#vote yes
10:53	drojf	oh tajoli sneaked in last minute too :)
10:53	drojf	swesome
10:53	cait	yep :)
10:53	wnickc	#vote yes
10:53	thd	#vote yes
10:53	tcohen	#vote yes
10:53	eythian	mveron: I added you
10:53	HAgud	#vote yes
10:53	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:53	bgkriegel	#vote yes
10:53	cait	looks like we are going to have a great 3.24 release team :)
10:53	eythian	#vote yes
10:53	tajoli	in fact in the last hour
10:53	drojf	#vote yes
10:53	drojf	(for the others)
10:53	indradg	#vote yes
10:54	magnuse	#vote yes
10:54	magnuse	(for the others)
10:54	cait	ending vote in a moment
10:54	cait	#endvote
10:54	huginn	Voted on "Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc VÃ©ron?" Results are
10:54	huginn	yes (12): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, indradg, tcohen, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, schnydszch
10:54	cait	#agreed Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc VÃ©ron. yes (12): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, indradg, tcohen, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, schnydszch
10:54	magnuse	w00t!
10:55	cait	last one everyone :)
10:55	cait	#startvote Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator? (yes,no)
10:55	huginn	Begin voting on: Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:55	huginn	Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:55	tcohen	#vote yes
10:55	magnuse	#vote yes
10:55	cait	#vote yes
10:55	eythian	#vote yes
10:55	jajm	#vote yes
10:55	tajoli	#vote yes
10:55	fredericd	#vote yes
10:55	indradg	#vote yes
10:55	wnickc	#vote yes
10:55	schnydszch	#vote yes
10:55	mveron	#vote yes
10:55	thd	#vote yes
10:55	drojf	#vote yes
10:55	bgkriegel	#vote yes
10:55	HAgud	#vote yes
10:56	cait	closing vote in a moment
10:56	cait	#endvote
10:56	huginn	Voted on "Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator?" Results are
10:56	huginn	yes (15): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, mveron, HAgud, cait, indradg, tcohen, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, fredericd
10:56	cait	#agreed Wiki Curator: Thomas Dukleth. yes (15): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, mveron, HAgud, cait, indradg, tcohen, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, fredericd
10:56	cait	done :)
10:56	cait	thx everyone!
10:56	tcohen	good night everyone
10:56	tcohen	ah, no
10:56	cait	hehe
10:57	tcohen	time to head to the office
10:57	mveron	thx cait and thx everybody
10:57	cait	#topic KohaCon16 + KohaCon17
10:57		Topic for #koha is now KohaCon16 + KohaCon17 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
10:57	* eythian	skips off yelling "I'm free! I'm free!"
10:57	drojf	lol
10:57	cait	meeting is not over yet...
10:57	tcohen	eythian++
10:57	cait	only the elections
10:57	eythian	that's what I meant :)
10:57	cait	is osmeone here from KohaCon16?
10:57	drojf	the way ex-managers of releases and other stuff celebrate once they are done is very encouraging to others :D
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10:57	tcohen	dh-make-free
10:58	eythian	tcohen++
10:58	drojf	eythian++
10:58	schnydszch	KohaCon16 Greece?
10:58	cait	drojf: he took care to find the next victim... so i htink we have to let him go :)
10:58	cait	yes
10:58	cait	I think one of the questions is from drojf
10:58	drojf	oh
10:58	cait	that we shoudl decide on a voting mechanism early on next time
10:58	drojf	ah yes
10:58	schnydszch	because I'm representing Phils.
10:58	cait	woudl you be ok pushing this to the next meeting? maybe with a little note about the options?
10:58	tcohen	oops, is late
10:58	tcohen	later everyone
10:59	* mveron	has to go...
10:59	drojf	yes that would be alright. we just should think about it "now", not when we have the next vote. because then there is no time again
10:59	magnuse	true
10:59	cait	agreed
10:59	cait	but it hink easier to vote with some optiosn spelled out
10:59	drojf	background being we had no fixed rules and made them up on the spot
11:00	magnuse	if someone could describe some alternatives before the next meeting we could have a vote
11:00	cait	#info Deciding on the voting mechanism for next KohaCon will be pushed to the next meeting - ideas and notes about mechanisms to vote on shoudl be added to the wiki before the next meeting
11:00	cait	for KohaCon17 the question is about when to open the bids
11:00	drojf	i have an event here right before that so i will maybe not be done in time, but i could try
11:01	thd	Alternatives become significant with more than two options to consider.
11:01	drojf	yes
11:01	magnuse	i see no harm in opening up for kohacon17 bids now
11:02	schnydszch	second the motion you magnuse
11:02	magnuse	where "opening up for bids" = having a page on the wiki where bidders can add themselves
11:02	cait	no problem there for me either
11:02	cait	but we shoud remember to communicate early about when it will close
11:02	drojf	mtompset copied the proposal of the philippines the second the last vote was over. while i am not against that at all, i would prefer asking "officially" for proposals before they come in
11:02	cait	and decide that with some time left :)
11:02	magnuse	we should just remember to send out a reminder about bidding in march or thereabouts
11:03	thd	I would be happy to create the page and advertise it next week.
11:03	drojf	so the question was if we just do it now/just do it immediately after a vote is over. which would be fine for me
11:03	cait	drojf: agreed
11:03	schnydszch	yeah apologies from the Philippines part if that's the case
11:03	cait	it's ok schnydszch - just trying to refine the workflow i think :)
11:03	cait	woudl someone volunteer to send a note about the new page to the mailing lists?
11:03	magnuse	http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]haCon17_Proposals
11:04	schnydszch	:) cait
11:04	drojf	i also moves the page because it looked like the official page but said itw as only for the philippines proposal ;)
11:04	drojf	*moved
11:04	magnuse	that page could be restored and slightly edited i thnk
11:04	magnuse	looks like thd volunteered to advertise it :-)
11:04	eythian	good thing theres a ...
11:04	eythian	yeah, what magnuse said :)
11:04	cait	ah sorry, missed that - thx thd
11:05	thd	The page also needs an empty form.
11:05	cait	#action thd to create a new page for Koha bids 2017 and advertise on the mailing list
11:05	thd	Next week is after my current programming task :)
11:06	cait	anything else we shold looking into for kohacons?
11:06	tajoli	Sorry, about ElastichSearch.
11:06	tajoli	Do we release it in 3.22 ?
11:06	cait	#action all to add ideas about 'how to vote and how to count results' for KohaCon bids to the wiki to be voted on
11:06	magnuse	should we decide on when the bidding stops and when the voting happens
11:06	thd	Voting methods for counting votes with more than two options?
11:06	cait	tajoli: it doesn't look like it at the moment
11:07	cait	ok, moving on
11:07	cait	#topic Update from the International Koha Fund committee
11:07		Topic for #koha is now Update from the International Koha Fund committee (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
11:07	eythian	tajoli: I'm still afraid of it causing breakage to regular workflows right at the moment. It's one of the things I'm looking into finding and fixing at the moment.
11:07	cait	bag has send me some notes to share with you all
11:08	cait	#info The koha fund committee met recently - notes are found here on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_15_October_2015
11:08	drojf	magnuse: i think we could leave that open for now, but indicate we are going to do it at some point and announce it early
11:08	cait	#info In summary - committee for collecting the money and creating fundraising opportunities seems to have a great start to it.
11:08	cait	#info The part of the committee that makes recommendations to THT on how to spend money that is raised is being worked on. gmcharlt and BobB are in the process of writing the bylaws (rules) on how that committee portion should work. Of course anything that would need to pass etc, will be brought to the community for a vote. The next committee meeting date has not been set yet.
11:08	cait	#info Update that was passed along to me from Joann at THT on the account standing for the fund. So far 5 people have made donations to the fund using the donate now button on the home page http://koha-community.org The total amount in the fund is $181.28 (USD)
11:08	drojf	magnuse: or we set a date we will always use. if that is an option. have not checked how that was done the last times
11:08	cait	anonymous_donators++
11:09	cait	argh, sorry, i saw now there were more topics to kohacon...
11:09	cait	not sure what's with my eyes
11:09	thd	;)
11:09	cait	was not intentional
11:10	cait	thd: yes, but also for 2 options
11:10	cait	some people would have preferred ranked voting for 2 as wel
11:10	cait	so 1+ :)
11:10	magnuse	drojf: yeah, just leave it open i guess
11:10	thd	Oh yes.
11:10	cait	and it hink i'd leave the end date open for now - but we should put a reminder in... maybe to be anounced later
11:10	drojf	we should talk about the kohacon voting stuff next meeting
11:11	cait	do we vote after the next kohacon? or before it?
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11:11	drojf	its early, i'd say after
11:11	cait	#action all - reminder: need to talk about dates for KohaCon bidding (end date for addings bids, when to vote, etc.)
11:12	cait	anything for the fund committee?
11:12	drojf	ok lets skip to the topic we are actually in :)
11:13	cait	I think it's awesome to see it moving - also that we got soem money already :)
11:13	cait	hoping for more news soon
11:14	* eythian	wonders if something like patreon is a good idea, though that's not really a discussion for now.
11:14	magnuse	could be!
11:14	cait	do you want me to add an.. info? is there idea too?
11:14	eythian	if you like
11:15	drojf	what is patreon?
11:15	magnuse	you can donate a monthly amount
11:15	eythian	drojf: it allows setting up recurring donations to a thing, basically
11:15	magnuse	rangi has a thing there for covering the cost of some server
11:16	eythian	I use it with a couple of podcasts I like, that sort of thing
11:16	cait	#idea something like patreon could be looked into
11:16	drojf	ok. does it keep as much of your money as flattr?
11:16	eythian	dunno
11:17	cait	oki to move on?
11:18	cait	#topic Actions from General IRC Meeting 9 September 2015
11:18		Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC Meeting 9 September 2015 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
11:18	drojf	if it is an option that brings more than we get without, we shoudl consider it
11:18	cait	#info all done
11:18	drojf	if its not evil in general ;)
11:18	cait	#topic Next Meeting
11:18		Topic for #koha is now Next Meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 November 2015)
11:19	cait	2 December 20 UTC?
11:19	cait	coughs
11:20	cait	hm
11:20	drojf	works for me
11:20	drojf	and better than 9
11:20	wnickc	sounds good
11:20	cait	#agreed Next meeting will be 2 December 2015, 20 UTC
11:21	cait	#endmeeting
11:21		Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org \| Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ \| Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes \| Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:21	huginn	Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 11:21:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
11:21	huginn	Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-04-10.00.html
11:21	huginn	Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-11-04-10.00.txt
11:21	huginn	Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]04-10.00.log.html
11:21	cait	thx all for attending!
11:21	drojf	cait++
11:21	wnickc	cait++
11:21	magnuse	cait++ community++
11:21	wnickc	now off to grab that toddler I hear waking up
11:21	cait	community++
11:21	wnickc	bye all
11:21	wnickc	community++
11:21	cait	gonna be another exciting 6 monhts... but first we need to get out a really solid 3.22 - so please take a look at the trello and test test test
11:22	* cait	is off for lunch then soon :)
11:22	* thd	returns to sleeping and not in his chair this time ;)
11:23	* magnuse	takes the dog for a walk
11:24	tajoli	bye
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11:35	eythian	bedtime, later all
11:35	drojf	good night eythian
11:35	* drojf	feels like bed time too
11:38	andreashm	Funny. I was here, logged into irc, and still managed to miss the meeting. :/
11:38	andreashm	Reading back now
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11:49	gmcharlt	sleep in, and I find myself packaging manager! ;)
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11:59	xarragon	Did you guys see that debian is EOL:ing ElasticSearch in Jessie?
12:09	magnuse	gmcharlt: you're welcome ;-)
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12:11	gmcharlt	xarragon: yes - I'll be curious to see if that just ends up being a shot across the bow with the end result of ES providing the details on security patches that Debian-security wants
12:13	magnuse	wow, sounds complicated
12:18	schnydszch	hi! i would like to know what's :p and :w at some end of indexes in records.abs and also :w I see Subject:p
12:22	jcamins	understanding zebra indexing?
12:22	wahanui	it has been said that understanding zebra indexing is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Zebra_indexing
12:23	xarragon	gmcharlt: Yeah, that might be intent I guess. It seemed a bit drastic.
12:24	schnydszch	so it's just a placeholder?
12:25	schnydszch	it does not have meaning? like it's subfield p? or some of those?
12:25	jcamins	No, not at all. It determines what kind of index you're creating.
12:25	jcamins	That page doesn't explain it. Huh.
12:25	jcamins	:w means "word index" and :p means "phrase index"
12:26	schnydszch	okay now i get it
12:26	schnydszch	yeah the page does not explain
12:26	schnydszch	thanks!
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12:41	tcohen	hi
12:42	bgkriegel	hi tcohen
12:42	tcohen	hi bgkriegel
12:43	bgkriegel	added a patch for Bug 15098, trello updated
12:43	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15098 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Itemtype description missing from facets for itypes in a search group
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12:56	xarragon	By the way, is there a reason the old library is called "C4"?
12:56	magnuse	how hard can it be?
12:57	magnuse	xarragon: you'll find the answer here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
12:57	magnuse	how hard can it be is http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
12:57	magnuse	how hard can it be?
12:58	magnuse	oops, no you don't
12:58	magnuse	i was sure it was there
12:58	jcamins	c4?
12:58	wahanui	c4 is probably a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
12:58	magnuse	koha was modelled after an older ils called c2. c4 was going to be twice as good
12:59	drojf	and the old ILS started with C, thats the 4.
13:00	xarragon	Well it is good to have mysery legends in any project.
13:00	xarragon	mystery*
13:00	drojf	there is a kohacon video somewhere with joann ransom of HLT explaining it, i think. but i can't find it
13:01	cait	hm i think rangi might have explained it too
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13:01	cait	somewhere deep in the irc logs
13:07	cait	bgkriegel++
13:07	drojf	oh it wasn't jo, thats why i did not find it. got that link but the site is broken for me http://blip.tv/the-curious-and[…]lie-blake-4367524
13:10	drojf	ha! https://archive.org/details/KohaCon10
13:14	xarragon	We'd all be lost without archive.org
13:14	drojf	indeed
13:17	cait	bgkriegel++ mveron++
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13:17	mveron	Playing cards... :-)
13:17	cait	yeah :)
13:18	cait	not it would be good if we found someone who can do plack magic hm.
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13:44	tcohen	who's working on the C4::Dates removal patches?
13:44	tcohen	mtompset?
13:44	wahanui	hmmm... mtompset is catching up on his other coding projects.
13:45	nengard	is the log for this morning's meeting posted yet?
13:47	tcohen	fridolin: are you around?
13:47	cait	nengard: not yet on the wiki, but the link is in the logs
13:47	nengard	k - will puruse
13:47	cait	puruse?
13:51	fridolin	tcohen: yep
13:52	tcohen	can u check if the dependency for bug 15059 is real? :-D
13:52	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15059 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Passed QA , Line break in html attribute
13:53	tcohen	@later tell Joubu please tell me (more or less) when you'll be around
13:53	huginn	tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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13:56	fridolin	tcohen: indeed,since rebase I have said : In this case, this bug can be tested without bug 14955.
13:56	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14955 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , "Show more" link contains double encoded characters
13:56	fridolin	so i drop the dependancy
13:56	* tcohen	suspected that
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14:09	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15059: Line break in html attribute in branchoverdues.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a4c381750f8d3bec8> / Bug 15035: Anti-spam for opac-suggestions - FOLLOW-UP <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]440ba79895c270749> / Bug 15061: Can't add item to rotating collection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha
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14:24	tcohen	cait: disable encryption
14:25	tcohen	cait
14:25	cait	yes
14:25	cait	i see
14:29	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14805: Replace generic 'items' with the specific ones <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]06f1e5a9f226d9487> / Bug 14805: (follow-up) fix a bug in previous code and change msg string <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d0194fd0eaf2cc958> / Bug 14805: QA follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]?p=koha.git;a=com
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15:05	xarragon	is there an easy way to dump the variables from a C4::template?
15:05	xarragon	Soi I can determine what is wrong at a glance?
15:14	* ashimema	is now co-maintainer of the Swagger2 lib
15:15	cait	are congratulations in order?
15:15	cait	you can dump them... sec
15:15	cait	bug 13948
15:15	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add ability to dump template toolkit variables to html comment
15:16	cait	you can also do something like:
15:16	cait	[% USE Dumper %] <!--ITEM [% Dumper.dump(item) %] -->
15:16	cait	which is what i did in the past - haven't tested the new feature yet
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15:17	cbrannon	Has anyone ever noticed, when you manually enter a date in Koha, you have to enter it year first, but when you use a date picker, the date is last?
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15:27	putti	How did you solve this problem when installing the UUID perl package: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -luuid ?
15:29	cait	xarragon: ^
15:30	cait	cbrannon: hm that sound sstrange
15:30	cait	if you enter a date manually it should be entered in your selected date format
15:30	* mveron-away	is back in about 4-5 hours
15:31	cbrannon	cait: we have ALWAYS been told to enter the date as yyyy-mm-dd.
15:31	cbrannon	I should clarify, this is in reports.
15:31	cait	ah
15:31	cait	yes, the format in sql is yyyy-mm-dd
15:31	cait	and the \|date option is broken in some versions
15:32	cait	they are a bit special currently
15:32	cbrannon	but when you choose a date from the date picker, it shows in the format of dd/mm/yyyy
15:32	cait	reports
15:32	cbrannon	it still works though
15:32	cait	yeah
15:32	cait	because it reformats
15:32	cait	when building the sql - if yu look at the sql after running it, you will see it's also 2010...
15:32	cbrannon	why can't manual entry be that nice?
15:33	cait	if you use <<date\|date>> you can enter according to system preference, if you do something like where date like "2010%" you woud use something like <<date (enter YYYY-MM-TT truncate with %)>>
15:34	cait	so it depends a bit on how your report works how you have to enter it
15:35	cait	not surei am making sense
15:36	cbrannon	If you use the date picker, you can't manually enter dates. And if you don't use date picker, you HAVE to enter as yyyy-mm-dd (excluding truncating). It just seems if the date picker can get around the formating, we should be able to when we manually enter as well.
15:36	cait	i think hte problem is that the date picker shoudl also allow you to enter manually
15:37	cait	bug 14060
15:37	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14060 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Remove readonly on date inputs
15:37	cait	so even when the datepicker is shown, ideally you shoudl be able to edit the date manually in the input field
15:37	cait	without the \|date koha doesn't know your free input field IS a date... so it won't do the reformatting
15:38	cbrannon	someone needs to fix that.
15:38	cait	you can open a bug report... but it's tricky
15:39	cait	we usually just put an input help in the description, like (Start Date, enter YYY-MM-TT truncate with %)
15:39	cait	so people see that and know what to do when running the report
15:40	cait	hm, maybe you meant 14060
15:40	cait	this day feels like monday
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15:40	cbrannon	:)
15:46	putti	cait, I added koha::object for issuing rules: bug 15129 :) Does that look alright?
15:46	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha::object for issuing rules
15:47	putti	And I'll maybe do some more refactoring but I thought to put just that one first, so the patches would be small!
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15:53	cait	putti: sorry, can't check now, and kyle or Joubu might be better to ask
15:53	putti	cait, alright. maybe :)
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15:57	Kchris	does anyone know if the "install and setup koha to use Git on a development Server" instructions are up to date?
15:59	Kchris	after editing the configuration files, I get "ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS" message
15:59	putti	Kchirs I'm running my system with those instructions
15:59	putti	Kchris, which conf files?
15:59	Kchris	putti: that's encouraging.
16:00	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12933: DBRev 3.21.00.050 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]63ad82e7aa9f22864> / Bug 12933: (QA followup) Add missing notice templates and other small fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4a027b4d034dd77b7> / Bug 12933: (QA followup) Rename GetOverdues to GetOverduesForPatron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
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16:01	putti	Kchris, after running what program you get "ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS"?
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16:02	putti	Kchris, this might help you also, but maybe to different problems: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]it_clone_installs :)
16:03	Kchris	Putti: I edited the apache-shared-opac.conf, apache-shared-intranet.conf, and the koha-conf.xml files to point to the appropriate git directories and files.
16:04	putti	Kchris, and where the error came?
16:05	Kchris	putti: the error came after I restarted Apache, and tried to load localhost:8080
16:06	putti	hmm, I think you should not edit apache-shared-opac.conf and apache-shared-intranet.conf but instead apache2/sites-available/koha.conf
16:06	putti	The two files are somehow autogenerated, if I recall correctly.
16:08	putti	Kchris, did you take a look in the wiki page at "Configure and Start Apache" ?
16:08	Kchris	Putti: No, i haven't looked at that.
16:09	putti	Kchris, hopefully you will get it running with the instructions provided there :)
16:13	Kchris	putti: thanks. is "Configure and Start apache" a page on the Koha wiki?
16:13	putti	Kchris, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_on_ubuntu_-_git
16:13	putti	it's under that article
16:14	Kchris	thanks!
16:14	putti	Kchris, was this the article you looked in the first place or something else ? O.o
16:15	putti	no problem, glad to help you :)
16:15	Kchris	No, I was looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]evelopment_Server
16:16	putti	I see
16:16	Kchris	the article I was looking at didn't mention apache2/sites-available/koha.conf
16:18	tcohen	@later tell eythian there is a new dependency on 11622: URL::Encode, is it possible to build it?
16:18	huginn	tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:18	tcohen	@later tell gmcharlt there is a new dependency on 11622: URL::Encode, is it possible to build it?
16:18	huginn	tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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16:30	drojf	tcohen: looking at http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=13665#c3 i wonder how i would "ask for a setSpec containing all facets" as you described in the comment? any hints?
16:30	huginn	Bug 13665: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow
16:31	tcohen	drojf: yes
16:32	tcohen	zebra::facet::<facet_1>:0,<facet_2>:0...<facet_n>:0
16:34	drojf	and right now we do that one at the time, but if you get all at once and one is empty, it explodes?
16:35	jcamins	Kabloom!
16:35	drojf	hi jcamins :D
16:36	tcohen	hehe
16:36	tcohen	jcamins: it works
16:36	wahanui	However, now everything else is broken.
16:37	tcohen	if you have facet_1, .., facet_n populated, of course
16:37	tcohen	heh
16:37	drojf	ah yes i found it. so basically one would not do the loop and get_facet_from_result_set for each one
16:37	tcohen	yeah
16:38	tcohen	i played with zebra's code so it skips unpopulated setpecs
16:38	tcohen	but didn't have feedback from indexdata about the best way to do it
16:38	drojf	but ID did not like the idea? why does it break? is it zebras fault or ours?
16:38	tcohen	they basically consider the whole string as a setspec
16:38	tcohen	the whole string is a setspec
16:38	tcohen	and it needs to be filled so there are results
16:39	tcohen	the answer i got was "yes, there needs to be data on all of them"
16:39	tcohen	if you have a personal contact with one of them, comment this
16:39	drojf	so it is on us to check beforehand and only use those that are not empty
16:39	drojf	i will
16:40	tcohen	we could do that, we could patch index.c, or we could populate all of them with phantom data, but i didn't find a way to do it
16:41	drojf	too complicated or lack of time?
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16:42	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15014: Returns 0 if everything went fine <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]53707fd0c673987be>
16:42	tcohen	lack of time and/or lack of imagination
16:42	tcohen	i mean, thought about it, but didn't try to implement due to lack of time
16:43	tcohen	something like adding a negative id or smth like that
16:43	tcohen	i think jcamins had some ideas
16:44	jcamins	I had suggested having a magic record, I think.
16:44	tcohen	ah
16:44	tcohen	a record with all defined facets
16:44	jcamins	Yeah.
16:45	tcohen	i recall
16:45	tcohen	i tried to avoid that workaroudn
16:45	tcohen	and failed
16:45	tcohen	due to poor communication
16:45	drojf	internally in koha somewhere, or an actual record?
16:46	tcohen	drojf: a generated record
16:46	tcohen	passed to zebraidx when doing a full reindex i guess
16:46	tcohen	worth exploring
16:47	* tcohen	now remembers how he misses jcamins around
16:47	drojf	ok. but for testing purposes, an actual record should do
16:47	drojf	yes there should be more jcamins around
16:48	drojf	way too little food talk, too
16:49	tcohen	heh
16:49	jcamins	drojf: yesterday I made Jamaican oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.
16:49	jcamins	(coffee + rum + nutmeg + cayenne pepper)
16:49	tcohen	\o/
16:49	* tcohen	wants
16:50	tcohen	btw, how about having the first brick for building a REST api pushed?
16:50	jcamins	Did you bribe people with cookies?
16:52	tcohen	jcamins: of course
16:52	huginn	New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13799: Add types for patron's fields in Swagger spec <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2c7c68864e395fca4> / Bug 13799: Rename t/.../v1/borrowers.t to t/.../v1/patrons.t <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]92b5857cca5de2bdf> / Bug 13799: Reword 'borrower' to 'patron' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
16:52	tcohen	\o/
16:52	tcohen	confetti
16:52	wahanui	o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:53	ashimema	?
16:53	ashimema	:)
16:53	ashimema	even
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17:04	tcohen	bug 13799
17:04	wahanui	bug 13799 is, like, ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
17:04	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add base for building RESTful API
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17:38	pianohacker	tcohen++
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17:43	tcohen	?
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17:48	pianohacker	tcohen: bug 13799
17:48	wahanui	i think bug 13799 is ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
17:48	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add base for building RESTful API
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17:51	bok	where would i be able to get help troubleshooting a report i'm trying to write
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18:34	magnuse	two misconceptions i have heard about the upcoming release: 1. the new rest api will replace all other apis, including z39.50, ils-di etc. 2. everything is now working perfectly under plack
18:36	pianohacker	not that any of us would be terribly sad to see Z39.50 die, but...
18:47	rangi	morning
18:47	rangi	koha was C4, then it was kumara, before it was Koha (all pre release)
18:48	pianohacker	kumara?
18:48	wahanui	kumara is older than oldkoha
18:48	magnuse	a kind of sweet potato
18:49	pianohacker	okay, I would have deeply approved of Koha being named after a potato
18:49	magnuse	if i recall correctly
18:49	pianohacker	google agrees
18:50	magnuse	not sure if it indigenous to nz?
18:52	pianohacker	I think it's just a sweet potato: rangi?
18:53	magnuse	i seem to remember someone calling it "our sweet potato", but that might not be significant
18:53	rangi	yep, a strain you can only find here
18:54	magnuse	ah, cool
18:54	rangi	but it's related to the ones you can find in south america
18:54	magnuse	that would have been at the "nz evening" we had in rotorua - happy times!
18:55	rangi	:)
18:56	pianohacker	taste much different, out of curiosity?
18:56	* pianohacker	is reminded of boniato
18:56	rangi	not much different
19:00	bag	my dog is named after a potato pianohacker
19:01	pianohacker	bag: aloo?
19:01	bag	yes thatâ€™s hindi for potato
19:02	pianohacker	ha! That's wonderful
19:02	* pianohacker	loves potatos
19:03	magnuse	bag: get another dog and call it kumara!
19:04	bag	:)
19:08	rangi	magnuse: https://www.workbuffer.org/presentations/ how does the cert there look to you?
19:12	magnuse	rangi: i get a grey lock
19:12	magnuse	when i click on it it says "secure connection"
19:12	rangi	sweet, its a letsencrypt one
19:12	magnuse	so i see
19:13	magnuse	i got into the closed beta this morning too, not had time to test it yet
19:13	rangi	works well
19:13	magnuse	planning on using it for all my kohas
19:13	magnuse	encrypt all the things!
19:13	rangi	yeah, we don't offer non https ones anymore
19:14	magnuse	catalyst++
19:14	magnuse	that is my plan too
19:14	magnuse	i hope their config tools will work nicely with the packages...
19:14	rangi	yeah, can't see why not
19:16	magnuse	i was not thinking when i entered the beta, so i asked them to add e.g. bibkat.no, not all the *.bibkat.no domains i actually use...
19:16	magnuse	facepalm
19:16	rangi	yeah, ditto, but it's enough to test how it works anyway
19:17	magnuse	looked like they might perhaps possibly support wildcard certs some time in the future...
19:17	rangi	that would be ideal
19:17	rangi	altho, its pretty easy to just make ones
19:18	rangi	per domain
19:19	magnuse	yeah, sounds like it
19:23	* drojf	sighs
19:24	drojf	nobody told me i would have to write a gazillion confirmation emails
19:24	rangi	hmm?
19:24	magnuse	drojf: confirmation of what?
19:25	drojf	on the other hand, a lot of people want to attend my little seminar on koha
19:25	magnuse	ah, awesome
19:25	rangi	cool
19:25	* magnuse	should do another "get to know koha" in oslo soon
19:26	drojf	yes you should
19:27	jcamins	magnuse: ooh, I want to get into the closed beta! How do I do that?
19:27	* jcamins	just found the form.
19:27	magnuse	jcamins: it's not exactly magic :-)
19:27	magnuse	drojf: i think i will
19:28	magnuse	it is more work than you think, though
19:28	jcamins	magnuse: no, but it's also not on the letsencrypt.org site anywhere obvious.
19:28	jcamins	magnuse: how so?
19:28	magnuse	nothing happens before i am done with the current stage of the ncip project - which is hopefully tomorrow
19:29	magnuse	jcamins: ah sorry, doing a seminar is more work...
19:29	jcamins	I'd expect a bunch of domain validation and maybe generating a couple of certificate requests.
19:29	jcamins	magnuse: ah. Yes, it certainly is.
19:29	drojf	oh you got into the beta too :)
19:29	drojf	rangi: did you use it on apache? if so, what version?
19:30	rangi	nginx
19:30	drojf	ok
19:30	rangi	i just did --certonly
19:30	rangi	and did the config myself
19:30	drojf	did not work for me in apache. probably a 2.2 problem, others had it too
19:30	drojf	alright. i did that too. but wanted to check the apache thing to see if that would work with koha out of the box somehow
19:30	jcamins	drojf: I figured out the problem.
19:30	jcamins	You used Apache. :P
19:30	drojf	indeed
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19:40	drojf	so tired. must. confirm. stuff.
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19:41	drojf	magnuse: it sounded to me like wildcard certificates won't be available any time soon. and i did the same thing, did not enter subdomains :/ but it is going to be live soon anyway
19:43	magnuse	yup :-)
19:43	pianohacker	a "koha-make-my-site-encrypted" thing would be just the most kumara thing ever
19:45	drojf	i'd vote for encryption and redirect http to https out of the box
19:46	bag	is that the peewee playhouse word of the day pianohacker? kumara
19:46	drojf	the letsencrypt cert did not really work for whatever old internet explorer version my office mate had to test. IE 8 or something
19:47	drojf	not sure if there is something to be resolved until release or it won't ever work
19:47	drojf	not sure if i care
19:48	magnuse	drojf: i'd vote for that too
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19:51	drojf	goodness. the only thing more i confirm today is that it is really late
19:51	drojf	and i should go home
19:55	magnuse	drojf: yes you should ;-)
19:55	drojf	heh
19:57	bag	yes you should :)
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20:05	magnuse	there, all customers upgraded to 3.20.5
20:05	magnuse	have fun, #koha!
20:05	bag	later THE awesome magnuse
20:08	drojf	oh i'm still here
20:08	drojf	heh
20:08	drojf	later #koha
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20:31	tcohen	hi
20:35	bag	hi tcohen
20:35	bag	how you holding up druthb
20:36	bag	sorry about everything - wish I could have voted there
20:36	druthb	eh, I'm managing. wanna hide.
20:37	Traumatan	Hey guys, can anybody point me to a more detailed explanation of the SIP-Server? I am stuck with it not working and not logging as a bonus
20:38	bag	hmm what are you using now for documentation?
20:38	bag	sip?
20:38	wahanui	hmmm... sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey.
20:39	bag	Traumatan: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]&search=SIP&go=Go
20:40	Traumatan	yeah I clicked the first 10 links
20:40	Traumatan	its like "do this and it works" which it does not
20:40	Traumatan	what do you mean with "documentation?"
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20:47	bag	I meant documentation - like anything you were reading to set it up
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20:49	tcohen	so the internet is back
20:50	bag	welcome back internet
20:52	tcohen	hi bag
20:52	tcohen	hi rangi
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21:15	* andreashm	waves
21:17	* pianohacker	waves
21:17	* cait	waves
21:19	* kchris	waves
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21:21	indradgPH	hello
21:22	andreashm	hi pianohacker, cait, kchris, indragPH!
21:23	* andreashm	is writing notes from last weeks meetings. ugh.
21:23	andreashm	making slides is more fun than this.
21:23	cait	heh
21:23	* cait	is done with making slides for now - but had to write 2 protocols today as well...
21:24	kchris	hi andreashm
21:24	cait	hm. maybe the better word is meeting notes :)
21:24	eythian	hi
21:25	tcohen	hi eythian
21:25	pianohacker	tcohen: just to verify, is bug 15032 deterministic or no?
21:25	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
21:25	cait	?
21:27	tcohen	pianohacker: it is
21:27	tcohen	completely reproducible
21:27	tcohen	i can guide you
21:27	cait	ah!
21:27	eythian	tcohen: when you discover near merge time that something has a new dependency, can you send them this link: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ndency_Guidelines and tell them that they're going to have to wait because of point #5
21:27	eythian	and #6
21:28	tcohen	is this about URL::Encode?
21:28	eythian	yeah
21:28	tcohen	I haven't pushed it
21:28	eythian	Oh, I know
21:29	eythian	It's not your fault
21:29	eythian	it's their fault
21:29	tcohen	so you're saying i should send them there
21:29	tcohen	instead of asking for the package
21:29	tcohen	right?
21:30	tcohen	maybe bag is the one to take notes, i won't probably have to deal with that for a while :-P
21:30	eythian	When they realise that they're adding a new dependency, they need to bring it up then. Not when you're considering it for merge.
21:31	tcohen	ack
21:31	rangi	i was talking to magnuse about this
21:31	tcohen	syn_rcvd
21:31	rangi	08:21 <rangi> i reckon, you want a dependency, yu should commit to help packaging it
21:31	tcohen	yeah, but we need and explicit workflow for that to work
21:31	rangi	(helping might just be sending chocolate, or apologising a lot)
21:31	tcohen	an
21:32	rangi	but the main thing is, do we really need this bleeding edge module
21:32	rangi	should be the first thing
21:32	eythian	It's not a big deal to package things (though it would be good to have more people knowing how), it's just that if it's at the last moment then it's become a "drop everything and do this for me so we can get it in!" type thing.
21:32	eythian	which is not cool
21:35	tcohen	in this case is a cool thing, that is not mandatory for the release
21:35	* cait	takes notes
21:35	tcohen	so feel free
21:35	tcohen	not to package it
21:35	eythian	cait: I sent a ranty email covering this a while ago :)
21:35	cait	i know
21:36	cait	but being reminded is good :)
21:45	pianohacker	@eythian++
21:45	huginn	pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:45	pianohacker	eythian++
21:46	eythian	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2evC2xTNWg <-- she built a breakfast serving robot!
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22:02	bag	eythian, tcohen - adding new dependency stuff to my notes
22:02	bag	thanks :)
22:02	mveron	Hi again #koha
22:02	bag	hey mveron
22:02	mveron	hi bag :-)
22:03	* mveron	counts: Wow, C4::Dates need sign-off wnet back from 8 to 4. Gerat!
22:03	mveron	Great
22:03	* mveron	Should put his glasses
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22:23	cait	bag?
22:23	wahanui	I LIKE BASEBALL
22:23	* dcook	waves to cait
22:24	dcook	Not that I'm bag
22:24	dcook	Just... morning :)
22:24	* cait	waves back
22:24	bag	hi
22:24	cait	hey
22:24	cait	bug 14985
22:24	huginn	Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove C4::Dates from 6 files in folder C4/*.pm
22:24	* dcook	waves to bag too for good measure
22:24	cait	did you mean to sign it off?
22:25	bag	I meant to sign it off. and right in the middle of me doing that - a person came to the door so I got up to help them
22:25	bag	did it not finish?
22:25	bag	silly me
22:26	cait	missing the patch, was not sure if it was bug confusion, so asking :)
22:27	bag	nah I just updated the bug - I will send patch in a little bit
22:29	bag	should be up there now
22:30	bag	cait ginny is watching clifford the tv show in the other room and sheâ€™s laughing so loud! itâ€™s making me giggle
22:30	bag	silly girl
22:31	cait	:)
22:32	cait	thx!
22:33	mveron	bag ++
22:33	bag	mveron++
22:33	mveron	:-)
22:35	wizzyrea	mveron++ yay ty for the signoff
22:42	eythian	http://search.cpan.org/~mlehma[…]se-3.74/sense.pod
23:01	mveron	wizzyrea: welcome :-)
23:08	* mveron	amended two C4::Dates patches to make them apply. Almost falls asleep, hopes for overnight magic regarding C4::Dates sign-offs :-)
23:08	mveron	Good night everybody, and Koha community ++
23:09	mveron	...or daytime...
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