Time  Nick          Message
23:09 mveron        ...or daytime...
23:08 mveron        Good night everybody, and Koha community ++
23:08 * mveron      amended two C4::Dates patches to make them apply. Almost falls asleep, hopes for overnight magic regarding C4::Dates sign-offs :-)
23:01 mveron        wizzyrea: welcome :-)
22:42 eythian       http://search.cpan.org/~mlehmann/common-sense-3.74/sense.pod
22:35 wizzyrea      mveron++ yay ty for the signoff
22:33 mveron        :-)
22:33 bag           mveron++
22:33 mveron        bag ++
22:32 cait          thx!
22:31 cait          :)
22:30 bag           silly girl
22:30 bag           cait ginny is watching clifford the tv show in the other room and she’s laughing so loud!  it’s making me giggle
22:29 bag           should be up there now
22:27 bag           nah I just updated the bug - I will send patch in a little bit
22:26 cait          missing the patch, was not sure if it was bug confusion, so asking :)
22:25 bag           silly me
22:25 bag           did it not finish?
22:25 bag           I meant to sign it off.  and right in the middle of me doing that - a person came to the door so I got up to help them
22:24 cait          did you mean to sign it off?
22:24 * dcook       waves to bag too for good measure
22:24 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove C4::Dates from 6 files in folder C4/*.pm
22:24 cait          bug 14985
22:24 cait          hey
22:24 bag           hi
22:24 * cait        waves back
22:24 dcook         Just... morning :)
22:24 dcook         Not that I'm bag
22:23 * dcook       waves to cait
22:23 wahanui       I LIKE BASEBALL
22:23 cait          bag?
22:03 * mveron      Should put his glasses
22:03 mveron        Great
22:03 * mveron      counts: Wow, C4::Dates need sign-off wnet back from 8 to 4.  Gerat!
22:02 mveron        hi bag :-)
22:02 bag           hey mveron
22:02 mveron        Hi again #koha
22:02 bag           thanks :)
22:02 bag           eythian, tcohen - adding new dependency stuff to my notes
21:46 eythian       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2evC2xTNWg <-- she built a breakfast serving robot!
21:45 pianohacker   eythian++
21:45 huginn        pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:45 pianohacker   @eythian++
21:36 cait          but being reminded is good :)
21:35 cait          i know
21:35 eythian       cait: I sent a ranty email covering this a while ago :)
21:35 tcohen        not to package it
21:35 tcohen        so feel free
21:35 * cait        takes notes
21:35 tcohen        in this case is a cool thing, that is not mandatory for the release
21:32 eythian       which is not cool
21:32 eythian       It's not a big deal to package things (though it would be good to have more people knowing how), it's just that if it's at the last moment then it's become a "drop everything and do this for me so we can get it in!" type thing.
21:32 rangi         should be the first thing
21:32 rangi         but the main thing is, do we really need this bleeding edge module
21:31 tcohen        *an*
21:31 rangi         (helping might just be sending chocolate, or apologising a lot)
21:31 tcohen        yeah, but we need and explicit workflow for that to work
21:31 rangi         08:21 <rangi> i reckon, you want a dependency, yu should commit to help packaging it
21:31 tcohen        syn_rcvd
21:31 rangi         i was talking to magnuse about this
21:31 tcohen        ack
21:30 eythian       When they realise that they're adding a new dependency, they need to bring it up then. Not when you're considering it for merge.
21:30 tcohen        maybe bag is the one to take notes, i won't probably have to deal with that for a while :-P
21:29 tcohen        right?
21:29 tcohen        instead of asking for the package
21:29 tcohen        so you're saying i should send them there
21:29 eythian       it's their fault
21:29 eythian       It's not your fault
21:28 eythian       Oh, I know
21:28 tcohen        I haven't pushed it
21:28 eythian       yeah
21:28 tcohen        is this about URL::Encode?
21:27 eythian       and #6
21:27 eythian       tcohen: when you discover near merge time that something has a new dependency, can you send them this link: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Dependencies/Dependency_Guidelines and tell them that they're going to have to wait because of point #5
21:27 cait          ah!
21:27 tcohen        i can guide you
21:27 tcohen        completely reproducible
21:27 tcohen        pianohacker: it is
21:25 cait          ?
21:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
21:25 pianohacker   tcohen: just to verify, is bug 15032 deterministic or no?
21:25 tcohen        hi eythian
21:24 eythian       hi
21:24 cait          hm. maybe the better word is meeting notes :)
21:24 kchris        hi andreashm
21:23 * cait        is done with making slides for now - but had to write 2 protocols today as well...
21:23 cait          heh
21:23 andreashm     making slides is more fun than this.
21:23 * andreashm   is writing notes from last weeks meetings. ugh.
21:22 andreashm     hi pianohacker, cait, kchris, indragPH!
21:21 indradgPH     hello
21:19 * kchris      waves
21:17 * cait        waves
21:17 * pianohacker waves
21:15 * andreashm   waves
20:52 tcohen        hi rangi
20:52 tcohen        hi bag
20:50 bag           welcome back internet
20:49 tcohen        so the internet is back
20:47 bag           I meant documentation - like anything you were reading to set it up
20:40 Traumatan     what do you mean with "documentation?"
20:40 Traumatan     its like "do this and it works" which it does not
20:40 Traumatan     yeah I clicked the first 10 links
20:39 bag           Traumatan: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=SIP&go=Go
20:38 wahanui       hmmm... sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey.
20:38 bag           sip?
20:38 bag           hmm what are you using now for documentation?
20:37 Traumatan     Hey guys, can anybody point me to a more detailed explanation of the SIP-Server? I am stuck with it not working and not logging as a bonus
20:36 druthb        eh, I'm managing.  wanna hide.
20:36 bag           sorry about everything - wish I could have voted there
20:35 bag           how you holding up druthb
20:35 bag           hi tcohen
20:31 tcohen        hi
20:08 drojf         later #koha
20:08 drojf         heh
20:08 drojf         oh i'm still here
20:05 bag           later THE awesome magnuse
20:05 magnuse       have fun, #koha!
20:05 magnuse       there, all customers upgraded to 3.20.5
19:57 bag           yes you should :)
19:55 drojf         heh
19:55 magnuse       drojf: yes you should ;-)
19:51 drojf         and i should go home
19:51 drojf         goodness. the only thing more i confirm today is that it is really late
19:48 magnuse       drojf: i'd vote for that too
19:47 drojf         not sure if i care
19:47 drojf         not sure if there is something to be resolved until release or it won't ever work
19:46 drojf         the letsencrypt cert did not really work for whatever old internet explorer version my office mate had to test. IE 8 or something
19:46 bag           is that the peewee playhouse word of the day pianohacker?  kumara
19:45 drojf         i'd vote for encryption and redirect http to https out of the box
19:43 pianohacker   a "koha-make-my-site-encrypted" thing would be just the most kumara thing ever
19:43 magnuse       yup :-)
19:41 drojf         magnuse: it sounded to me like wildcard certificates won't be available any time soon. and i did the same thing, did not enter subdomains :/ but it is going to be live soon anyway
19:40 drojf         so tired. must. confirm. stuff.
19:30 drojf         indeed
19:30 jcamins       You used Apache. :P
19:30 jcamins       drojf: I figured out the problem.
19:30 drojf         alright. i did that too. but wanted to check the apache thing to see if that would work with koha out of the box somehow
19:30 drojf         did not work for me in apache. probably a 2.2 problem, others had it too
19:30 rangi         and did the config myself
19:30 rangi         i just did --certonly
19:30 drojf         ok
19:30 rangi         nginx
19:29 drojf         rangi: did you use it on apache? if so, what version?
19:29 drojf         oh you got into the beta too :)
19:29 jcamins       magnuse: ah. Yes, it certainly is.
19:29 jcamins       I'd expect a bunch of domain validation and maybe generating a couple of certificate requests.
19:29 magnuse       jcamins: ah sorry, doing a seminar is more work...
19:28 magnuse       nothing happens before i am done with the current stage of the ncip project - which is hopefully tomorrow
19:28 jcamins       magnuse: how so?
19:28 jcamins       magnuse: no, but it's also not on the letsencrypt.org site anywhere obvious.
19:28 magnuse       it *is* more work than you think, though
19:27 magnuse       drojf: i think i will
19:27 magnuse       jcamins: it's not exactly magic :-)
19:27 * jcamins     just found the form.
19:27 jcamins       magnuse: ooh, I want to get into the closed beta! How do I do that?
19:26 drojf         yes you should
19:25 * magnuse     should do another "get to know koha" in oslo soon
19:25 rangi         cool
19:25 magnuse       ah, awesome
19:25 drojf         on the other hand, a lot of people want to attend my little seminar on koha
19:24 magnuse       drojf: confirmation of what?
19:24 rangi         hmm?
19:24 drojf         nobody told me i would have to write a gazillion confirmation emails
19:23 * drojf       sighs
19:19 magnuse       yeah, sounds like it
19:18 rangi         per domain
19:17 rangi         altho, its pretty easy to just make ones
19:17 rangi         that would be ideal
19:17 magnuse       looked like they might perhaps possibly support wildcard certs some time in the future...
19:16 rangi         yeah, ditto, but it's enough to test how it works anyway
19:16 magnuse       *facepalm*
19:16 magnuse       i was not thinking when i entered the beta, so i asked them to add e.g. bibkat.no, not all the *.bibkat.no domains i actually use...
19:14 rangi         yeah, can't see why not
19:14 magnuse       i hope their config tools will work nicely with the packages...
19:14 magnuse       that is my plan too
19:14 magnuse       catalyst++
19:13 rangi         yeah, we don't offer non https ones anymore
19:13 magnuse       encrypt all the things!
19:13 magnuse       planning on using it for all my kohas
19:13 rangi         works well
19:13 magnuse       i got into the closed beta this morning too, not had time to test it yet
19:12 magnuse       so i see
19:12 rangi         sweet, its a letsencrypt one
19:12 magnuse       when i click on it it says "secure connection"
19:12 magnuse       rangi: i get a grey lock
19:08 rangi         magnuse: https://www.workbuffer.org/presentations/  how does the cert there look to you?
19:04 bag           :)
19:03 magnuse       bag: get another dog and call it kumara!
19:02 * pianohacker loves potatos
19:02 pianohacker   ha! That's wonderful
19:01 bag           yes that’s hindi for potato
19:01 pianohacker   bag: aloo?
19:00 bag           my dog is named after a potato pianohacker
18:56 rangi         not much different
18:56 * pianohacker is reminded of boniato
18:56 pianohacker   taste much different, out of curiosity?
18:55 rangi         :)
18:54 magnuse       that would have been at the "nz evening" we had in rotorua - happy times!
18:54 rangi         but it's related to the ones you can find in south america
18:54 magnuse       ah, cool
18:53 rangi         yep, a strain you can only find here
18:53 magnuse       i seem to remember someone calling it "our sweet potato", but that might not be significant
18:52 pianohacker   I think it's just a sweet potato: rangi?
18:50 magnuse       not sure if it indigenous to nz?
18:49 pianohacker   google agrees
18:49 magnuse       if i recall correctly
18:49 pianohacker   okay, I would have deeply approved of Koha being named after a potato
18:48 magnuse       a kind of sweet potato
18:48 wahanui       kumara is older than oldkoha
18:48 pianohacker   kumara?
18:47 rangi         koha was C4, then it was kumara, before it was Koha (all pre release)
18:47 rangi         morning
18:36 pianohacker   not that any of us would be terribly sad to see Z39.50 die, but...
18:34 magnuse       two misconceptions i have heard about the upcoming release: 1. the new rest api will replace all other apis, including z39.50, ils-di etc. 2. everything is now working perfectly under plack
17:51 bok           where would i be able to get help troubleshooting a report i'm trying to write
17:48 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add base for building RESTful API
17:48 wahanui       i think bug 13799 is ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
17:48 pianohacker   tcohen: bug 13799
17:43 tcohen        ?
17:38 pianohacker   tcohen++
17:04 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add base for building RESTful API
17:04 wahanui       bug 13799 is, like, ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
17:04 tcohen        bug 13799
16:53 ashimema      even
16:53 ashimema      :)
16:53 ashimema      ?
16:52 wahanui       o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:52 tcohen        confetti
16:52 tcohen        \o/
16:52 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13799: Add types for patron's fields in Swagger spec <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35ecddec894ad633e26e8802c7c68864e395fca4> / Bug 13799: Rename t/.../v1/borrowers.t to t/.../v1/patrons.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f60f35281252887ee4558b092b5857cca5de2bdf> / Bug 13799: Reword 'borrower' to 'patron' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
16:52 tcohen        jcamins: of course
16:50 jcamins       Did you bribe people with cookies?
16:50 tcohen        btw, how about having the first brick for building a REST api pushed?
16:49 * tcohen      wants
16:49 tcohen        \o/
16:49 jcamins       (coffee + rum + nutmeg + cayenne pepper)
16:49 jcamins       drojf: yesterday I made Jamaican oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.
16:49 tcohen        heh
16:48 drojf         way too little food talk, too
16:47 drojf         yes there should be more jcamins around
16:47 drojf         ok. but for testing purposes, an actual record should do
16:47 * tcohen      now remembers how he misses jcamins around
16:46 tcohen        worth exploring
16:46 tcohen        passed to zebraidx when doing a full reindex i guess
16:46 tcohen        drojf: a generated record
16:45 drojf         internally in koha somewhere, or an actual record?
16:45 tcohen        due to poor communication
16:45 tcohen        and failed
16:45 tcohen        i tried to avoid that workaroudn
16:45 tcohen        i recall
16:44 jcamins       Yeah.
16:44 tcohen        a record with all defined facets
16:44 tcohen        ah
16:44 jcamins       I had suggested having a magic record, I think.
16:43 tcohen        i think jcamins had some ideas
16:43 tcohen        something like adding a negative id or smth like that
16:42 tcohen        i mean, thought about it, but didn't try to implement due to lack of time
16:42 tcohen        lack of time and/or lack of imagination
16:42 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15014: Returns 0 if everything went fine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=314f3e22d969b05ffd0590153707fd0c673987be>
16:41 drojf         too complicated or lack of time?
16:40 tcohen        we could do that, we could patch index.c, or we could populate all of them with phantom data, but i didn't find a way to do it
16:39 drojf         i will
16:39 drojf         so it is on us to check beforehand and only use those that are not empty
16:39 tcohen        if you have a personal contact with one of them, comment this
16:39 tcohen        the answer i got was "yes, there needs to be data on all of them"
16:38 tcohen        and it needs to be filled so there are results
16:38 tcohen        the whole string is a setspec
16:38 tcohen        they basically consider the whole string as a setspec
16:38 drojf         but ID did not like the idea? why does it break? is it zebras fault or ours?
16:38 tcohen        but didn't have feedback from indexdata about the best way to do it
16:38 tcohen        i played with zebra's code so it skips unpopulated setpecs
16:37 tcohen        yeah
16:37 drojf         ah yes i found it. so basically one would not do the loop and get_facet_from_result_set for each one
16:37 tcohen        heh
16:37 tcohen        if you have facet_1, .., facet_n populated, of course
16:36 wahanui       However, now everything else is broken.
16:36 tcohen        jcamins: it works
16:36 tcohen        hehe
16:35 drojf         hi jcamins :D
16:35 jcamins       Kabloom!
16:34 drojf         and right now we do that one at the time, but if you get all at once and one is empty, it explodes?
16:32 tcohen        zebra::facet::<facet_1>:0,<facet_2>:0...<facet_n>:0
16:31 tcohen        drojf: yes
16:30 huginn        04Bug 13665: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow
16:30 drojf         tcohen: looking at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665#c3 i wonder how i would "ask for a setSpec containing all facets" as you described in the comment? any hints?
16:18 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:18 tcohen        @later tell gmcharlt there is a new dependency on 11622: URL::Encode, is it possible to build it?
16:18 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:18 tcohen        @later tell eythian there is a new dependency on 11622: URL::Encode, is it possible to build it?
16:16 Kchris        the article I was looking at didn't mention apache2/sites-available/koha.conf
16:16 putti         I see
16:15 Kchris        No, I was looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_and_Setup_Koha_to_use_Git_on_a_Development_Server
16:15 putti         no problem, glad to help you :)
16:14 putti         Kchris, was this the article you looked in the first place or something else ? O.o
16:14 Kchris        thanks!
16:13 putti         it's under that article
16:13 putti         Kchris, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git
16:13 Kchris        putti: thanks. is "Configure and Start apache" a page on the Koha wiki?
16:09 putti         Kchris, hopefully you will get it running with the instructions provided there :)
16:08 Kchris        Putti: No, i haven't looked at that.
16:08 putti         Kchris, did you take a look in the wiki page at "Configure and Start Apache" ?
16:06 putti         The two files are somehow autogenerated, if I recall correctly.
16:06 putti         hmm, I think you should not edit apache-shared-opac.conf and apache-shared-intranet.conf but instead apache2/sites-available/koha.conf
16:05 Kchris        putti: the error came after I restarted Apache, and tried to load localhost:8080
16:04 putti         Kchris, and where the error came?
16:03 Kchris        Putti: I edited the apache-shared-opac.conf, apache-shared-intranet.conf, and the koha-conf.xml files to point to the appropriate git directories and files.
16:02 putti         Kchris, this might help you also, but maybe to different problems: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#403_errors_for_Gitified_or_git_clone_installs :)
16:01 putti         Kchris, after running what program you get "ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS"?
16:00 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12933: DBRev 3.21.00.050 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9708ffa1d3929535620c86063ad82e7aa9f22864> / Bug 12933: (QA followup) Add missing notice templates and other small fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3efbad2ce953b18091079264a027b4d034dd77b7> / Bug 12933: (QA followup) Rename GetOverdues to GetOverduesForPatron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
15:59 Kchris        putti: that's encouraging.
15:59 putti         Kchris, which conf files?
15:59 putti         Kchirs I'm running my system with those instructions
15:59 Kchris        after editing the configuration files, I get "ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS" message
15:57 Kchris        does anyone know if the "install and setup koha to use Git on a development Server" instructions are up to date?
15:53 putti         cait, alright. maybe :)
15:53 cait          putti: sorry, can't check now, and kyle or Joubu might be better to ask
15:47 putti         And I'll maybe do some more refactoring but I thought to put just that one first, so the patches would be small!
15:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha::object for issuing rules
15:46 putti         cait, I added koha::object for issuing rules: bug 15129 :) Does that look alright?
15:40 cbrannon      :)
15:40 cait          this day feels like monday
15:40 cait          hm, maybe you meant 14060
15:39 cait          so people see that and know what to do when running the report
15:39 cait          we usually just put an input help in the description, like (Start Date, enter YYY-MM-TT truncate with %)
15:38 cait          you can open a bug report... but it's tricky
15:38 cbrannon      someone needs to fix that.
15:37 cait          without the |date koha doesn't know your free input field IS a date... so it won't do the reformatting
15:37 cait          so even when the datepicker is shown, ideally you shoudl be able to edit the date manually in the input field
15:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14060 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Remove readonly on date inputs
15:37 cait          bug 14060
15:36 cait          i think hte problem is that the date picker shoudl also allow you to enter manually
15:36 cbrannon      If you use the date picker, you can't manually enter dates.  And if you don't use date picker, you HAVE to enter as yyyy-mm-dd (excluding truncating).  It just seems if the date picker can get around the formating, we should be able to when we manually enter as well.
15:35 cait          not surei am making sense
15:34 cait          so it depends a bit on how your report works how you have to enter it
15:33 cait          if you use <<date|date>> you can enter according to system preference, if you do something like  where date like "2010%" you woud use something like <<date (enter YYYY-MM-TT truncate with %)>>
15:32 cbrannon      why can't manual entry be that nice?
15:32 cait          when building the sql - if yu look at the sql after running it, you will see it's also 2010...
15:32 cait          because it reformats
15:32 cait          yeah
15:32 cbrannon      it still works though
15:32 cait          reports
15:32 cbrannon      but when you choose a date from the date picker, it shows in the format of dd/mm/yyyy
15:32 cait          they are a bit special currently
15:31 cait          and the |date option is broken in some versions
15:31 cait          yes, the format in sql is yyyy-mm-dd
15:31 cait          ah
15:31 cbrannon      I should clarify, this is in reports.
15:31 cbrannon      cait: we have ALWAYS been told to enter the date as yyyy-mm-dd.
15:30 * mveron-away is back in about 4-5 hours
15:30 cait          if you enter a date manually it should be entered in your selected date format
15:30 cait          cbrannon: hm that sound sstrange
15:29 cait          xarragon: ^
15:27 putti         How did you solve this problem when installing the UUID perl package: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -luuid ?
15:23 * andreashm   is back again
15:17 cbrannon      Has anyone ever noticed, when you manually enter a date in Koha, you have to enter it year first, but when you use a date picker, the date is last?
15:16 cait          which is what i did in the past - haven't tested the new feature yet
15:16 cait          [% USE Dumper %] <!--ITEM [% Dumper.dump(item) %] -->
15:16 cait          you can also do something like:
15:15 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add ability to dump template toolkit variables to html comment
15:15 cait          bug 13948
15:15 cait          you can dump them... sec
15:15 cait          are congratulations in order?
15:14 * ashimema    is now co-maintainer of the Swagger2 lib
15:05 xarragon      Soi I can determine what is wrong at a glance?
15:05 xarragon      is there an easy way to dump the variables from a C4::template?
14:29 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14805: Replace generic 'items' with the specific ones <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93d93b36377dea05131307106f1e5a9f226d9487> / Bug 14805: (follow-up) fix a bug in previous code and change msg string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67cb605872a89595835829dd0194fd0eaf2cc958> / Bug 14805: QA follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com
14:25 cait          i see
14:25 cait          yes
14:25 tcohen        cait
14:24 tcohen        cait: disable encryption
14:09 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15059: Line break in html attribute in branchoverdues.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e0b35c15db408593b0d1a1a4c381750f8d3bec8> / Bug 15035: Anti-spam for opac-suggestions - FOLLOW-UP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b31947c3bb6517ecdc7d21440ba79895c270749> / Bug 15061: Can't add item to rotating collection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha
13:56 * tcohen      suspected that
13:56 fridolin      so i drop the dependancy
13:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14955 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , "Show more" link contains double encoded characters
13:56 fridolin      tcohen: indeed,since rebase I have said : In this case, this bug can be tested without bug 14955.
13:53 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:53 tcohen        @later tell Joubu please tell me (more or less) when you'll be around
13:52 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15059 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Passed QA , Line break in html attribute
13:52 tcohen        can u check if the dependency for bug 15059 is real? :-D
13:51 fridolin      tcohen: yep
13:47 cait          puruse?
13:47 nengard       k - will puruse
13:47 cait          nengard: not yet on the wiki, but the link is in the logs
13:47 tcohen        fridolin: are you around?
13:45 nengard       is the log for this morning's meeting posted yet?
13:44 wahanui       hmmm... mtompset is catching up on his other coding projects.
13:44 tcohen        mtompset?
13:44 tcohen        who's working on the C4::Dates removal patches?
13:18 cait          not it would be good if we found someone who can do plack magic hm.
13:17 cait          yeah :)
13:17 mveron        Playing cards... :-)
13:17 cait          bgkriegel++ mveron++
13:14 drojf         indeed
13:14 xarragon      We'd all be lost without archive.org
13:10 drojf         ha! https://archive.org/details/KohaCon10
13:07 drojf         oh it wasn't jo, thats why i did not find it. got that link but the site is broken for me http://blip.tv/the-curious-and-wondering-eye/kohacon10-video-1-rosalie-blake-4367524
13:07 cait          bgkriegel++
13:01 cait          somewhere deep in the irc logs
13:01 cait          hm i think rangi might have explained it too
13:00 drojf         there is a kohacon video somewhere with joann ransom of HLT explaining it, i think. but i can't find it
13:00 xarragon      mystery*
13:00 xarragon      Well it is good to have mysery legends in any project.
12:59 drojf         and the old ILS started with C, thats the 4.
12:58 magnuse       koha was modelled after an older ils called c2. c4 was going to be twice as good
12:58 wahanui       c4 is probably a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
12:58 jcamins       c4?
12:58 magnuse       i was sure it was there
12:58 magnuse       oops, no you don't
12:57 magnuse       how hard can it be?
12:57 magnuse       how hard can it be is http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
12:57 magnuse       xarragon: you'll find the answer here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
12:56 magnuse       how hard can it be?
12:56 xarragon      By the way, is there a reason the old library is called "C4"?
12:43 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15098 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Itemtype description missing from facets for itypes in a search group
12:43 bgkriegel     added a patch for Bug 15098, trello updated
12:42 tcohen        hi bgkriegel
12:42 bgkriegel     hi tcohen
12:41 tcohen        hi
12:26 schnydszch    thanks!
12:26 schnydszch    yeah the page does not explain
12:26 schnydszch    okay now i get it
12:25 jcamins       :w means "word index" and :p means "phrase index"
12:25 jcamins       That page doesn't explain it. Huh.
12:25 jcamins       No, not at all. It determines what kind of index you're creating.
12:25 schnydszch    it does not have meaning? like it's subfield p? or some of those?
12:24 schnydszch    so it's just a placeholder?
12:23 xarragon      gmcharlt: Yeah, that might be intent I guess. It seemed a bit drastic.
12:22 wahanui       it has been said that understanding zebra indexing is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing
12:22 jcamins       understanding zebra indexing?
12:18 schnydszch    hi! i would like to know what's :p and :w at some end of indexes in records.abs and also :w I see Subject:p
12:13 magnuse       wow, sounds complicated
12:11 gmcharlt      xarragon: yes - I'll be curious to see if that just ends up being a shot across the bow with the end result of ES providing the details on security patches that Debian-security wants
12:09 magnuse       gmcharlt: you're welcome ;-)
11:59 xarragon      Did you guys see that debian is EOL:ing ElasticSearch in Jessie?
11:49 gmcharlt      sleep in, and I find myself packaging manager! ;)
11:38 andreashm     Reading back now
11:38 andreashm     Funny. I was here, logged into irc, and still managed to miss the meeting. :/
11:35 * drojf       feels like bed time too
11:35 drojf         good night eythian
11:35 eythian       bedtime, later all
11:24 tajoli        bye
11:23 * magnuse     takes the dog for a walk
11:22 * thd         returns to sleeping and not in his chair this time ;)
11:22 * cait        is off for lunch then soon :)
11:21 cait          gonna be another exciting 6 monhts... but first we need to get out a really solid 3.22 - so please take a look at the trello and test test test
11:21 wnickc        community++
11:21 wnickc        bye all
11:21 cait          community++
11:21 wnickc        now off to grab that toddler I hear waking up
11:21 magnuse       cait++ community++
11:21 wnickc        cait++
11:21 drojf         cait++
11:21 cait          thx all for attending!
11:21 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.log.html
11:21 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.txt
11:21 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.html
11:21 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Nov  4 11:21:08 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
11:21 cait          #endmeeting
11:20 cait          #agreed Next meeting will be 2 December 2015, 20 UTC
11:20 wnickc        sounds good
11:20 drojf         and better than 9
11:20 drojf         works for me
11:20 cait          hm
11:19 cait          *coughs*
11:19 cait          2 December 20 UTC?
11:18 cait          #topic Next Meeting
11:18 drojf         if its not evil in general ;)
11:18 cait          #info all done
11:18 drojf         if it is an option that brings more than we get without, we shoudl consider it
11:18 cait          #topic Actions from General IRC Meeting 9 September 2015
11:17 cait          oki to move on?
11:16 eythian       dunno
11:16 drojf         ok. does it keep as much of your money as flattr?
11:16 cait          #idea something like patreon could be looked into
11:16 eythian       I use it with a couple of podcasts I like, that sort of thing
11:15 magnuse       rangi has a thing there for covering the cost of some server
11:15 eythian       drojf: it allows setting up recurring donations to a thing, basically
11:15 magnuse       you can donate a monthly amount
11:15 drojf         what is patreon?
11:14 eythian       if you like
11:14 cait          do you want me to add an.. info? is there idea too?
11:14 magnuse       could be!
11:14 * eythian     wonders if something like patreon is a good idea, though that's not really a discussion for now.
11:13 cait          hoping for more news soon
11:13 cait          I think it's awesome to see it moving - also that we got soem money already :)
11:12 drojf         ok lets skip to the topic we are actually in :)
11:12 cait          anything for the fund committee?
11:11 cait          #action all - reminder: need to talk about dates for KohaCon bidding (end date for addings bids, when to vote, etc.)
11:11 drojf         its early, i'd say after
11:11 cait          do we vote after the next kohacon? or before it?
11:10 drojf         we should talk about the kohacon voting stuff next meeting
11:10 cait          and it hink i'd leave the end date open for now - but we should put a reminder in... maybe to be anounced later
11:10 thd           Oh yes.
11:10 magnuse       drojf: yeah, just leave it open i guess
11:10 cait          so 1+ :)
11:10 cait          some people would have preferred ranked voting for 2 as wel
11:10 cait          thd: yes, but also for 2 options
11:09 cait          was not intentional
11:09 thd           ;)
11:09 cait          not sure what's with my eyes
11:09 cait          argh, sorry, i saw now there were more topics to kohacon...
11:08 cait          anonymous_donators++
11:08 drojf         magnuse: or we set a date we will always use. if that is an option. have not checked how that was done the last times
11:08 cait          #info   Update that was passed along to me from Joann at THT on the account standing for the fund.   So far 5 people have made donations to the fund using the donate now button on the home page http://koha-community.org  The total amount in the fund is $181.28  (USD)
11:08 cait          #info   The part of the committee that makes recommendations to THT on how to spend money that is raised is being worked on.    gmcharlt and BobB are in the process of writing the bylaws (rules) on how that committee portion should work.  Of course anything that would need to pass etc, will be brought to the community for a vote.  The next committee meeting date has not been set yet.
11:08 cait          #info  In summary - committee for collecting the money and creating fundraising opportunities seems to have a great start to it.
11:08 drojf         magnuse: i think we could leave that open for now, but indicate we are going to do it at some point and announce it early
11:08 cait          #info The koha fund committee met recently - notes are found here on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising_IRC_meeting_15_October_2015
11:07 cait          bag has send me some notes to share with you all
11:07 eythian       tajoli: I'm still afraid of it causing breakage to regular workflows right at the moment. It's one of the things I'm looking into finding and fixing at the moment.
11:07 cait          #topic Update from the International Koha Fund committee
11:07 cait          ok, moving on
11:06 cait          tajoli: it doesn't look like it at the moment
11:06 thd           Voting methods for counting votes with more than two options?
11:06 magnuse       should we decide on when the bidding stops and when the voting happens
11:06 cait          #action all to add ideas about 'how to vote and how to count results' for KohaCon bids to the wiki to be voted on
11:06 tajoli        Do we release it in 3.22 ?
11:06 tajoli        Sorry, about ElastichSearch.
11:06 cait          anything else we shold looking into for kohacons?
11:05 thd           Next week is after my current programming task :)
11:05 cait          #action thd to create a new page for Koha bids 2017 and advertise on the mailing list
11:05 thd           The page also needs an empty form.
11:04 cait          ah sorry, missed that - thx thd
11:04 eythian       yeah, what magnuse said :)
11:04 eythian       good thing theres a ...
11:04 magnuse       looks like thd volunteered to advertise it :-)
11:04 magnuse       that page could be restored and slightly edited i thnk
11:04 drojf         *moved
11:04 drojf         i also moves the page because it looked like the official page but said itw as only for the philippines proposal ;)
11:04 schnydszch    :) cait
11:03 magnuse       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon17_Proposals
11:03 cait          woudl someone volunteer to send a note about the new page to the mailing lists?
11:03 cait          it's ok schnydszch - just trying to refine the workflow i think :)
11:03 schnydszch    yeah apologies from the Philippines part if that's the case
11:03 cait          drojf: agreed
11:03 drojf         so the question was if we just do it now/just do it immediately after a vote is over. which would be fine for me
11:03 thd           I would be happy to create the page and advertise it next week.
11:02 magnuse       we should just remember to send out a reminder about bidding in march or thereabouts
11:02 cait          and decide that with some time left :)
11:02 drojf         mtompset copied the proposal of the philippines the second the last vote was over. while i am not against that at all, i would prefer asking "officially" for proposals before they come in
11:02 cait          but we shoud remember to communicate early about when it will close
11:02 cait          no problem there for me either
11:02 magnuse       where "opening up for bids" = having a page on the wiki where bidders can add themselves
11:02 schnydszch    second the motion you magnuse
11:01 magnuse       i see no harm in opening up for kohacon17 bids now
11:01 drojf         yes
11:01 thd           Alternatives become significant with more than two options to consider.
11:00 drojf         i have an event here right before that so i will maybe not be done in time, but i could try
11:00 cait          for KohaCon17 the question is about when to open the bids
11:00 cait          #info Deciding on the voting mechanism for next KohaCon will be pushed to the next meeting - ideas and notes about mechanisms to vote on shoudl be added to the wiki before the next meeting
11:00 magnuse       if someone could describe some alternatives before the next meeting we could have a vote
10:59 drojf         background being we had no fixed rules and made them up on the spot
10:59 cait          but it hink easier to vote with some optiosn spelled out
10:59 cait          agreed
10:59 magnuse       true
10:59 drojf         yes that would be alright. we just should think about it "now", not when we have the next vote. because then there is no time again
10:59 * mveron      has to go...
10:58 tcohen        later everyone
10:58 tcohen        oops, is late
10:58 cait          woudl you be ok pushing this to the next meeting? maybe with a little note about the options?
10:58 schnydszch    because I'm representing Phils.
10:58 drojf         ah yes
10:58 cait          that we shoudl decide on a voting mechanism early on next time
10:58 drojf         oh
10:58 cait          I think one of the questions is from drojf
10:58 cait          yes
10:58 cait          drojf: he took care to find the next victim... so i htink we have to let him go :)
10:58 schnydszch    KohaCon16 Greece?
10:58 drojf         eythian++
10:58 eythian       tcohen++
10:57 tcohen        dh-make-free
10:57 drojf         the way ex-managers of releases and other stuff celebrate once they are done is very encouraging to others :D
10:57 cait          is osmeone here from KohaCon16?
10:57 eythian       that's what I meant :)
10:57 cait          only the elections
10:57 tcohen        eythian++
10:57 cait          meeting is not over yet...
10:57 drojf         lol
10:57 * eythian     skips off yelling "I'm free! I'm free!"
10:57 cait          #topic KohaCon16 + KohaCon17
10:57 mveron        thx cait and thx everybody
10:57 tcohen        time to head to the office
10:56 cait          hehe
10:56 tcohen        ah, no
10:56 tcohen        good night everyone
10:56 cait          thx everyone!
10:56 cait          done :)
10:56 cait          #agreed Wiki Curator: Thomas Dukleth. yes (15): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, mveron, HAgud, cait, indradg, tcohen, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, fredericd
10:56 huginn        yes (15): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, mveron, HAgud, cait, indradg, tcohen, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, fredericd
10:56 huginn        Voted on "Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator?" Results are
10:56 cait          #endvote
10:56 cait          closing vote in a moment
10:55 HAgud         #vote yes
10:55 bgkriegel     #vote yes
10:55 drojf         #vote yes
10:55 thd           #vote yes
10:55 mveron        #vote yes
10:55 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:55 wnickc        #vote yes
10:55 indradg       #vote yes
10:55 fredericd     #vote yes
10:55 tajoli        #vote yes
10:55 jajm          #vote yes
10:55 eythian       #vote yes
10:55 cait          #vote yes
10:55 magnuse       #vote yes
10:55 tcohen        #vote yes
10:55 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:55 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:55 cait          #startvote Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator? (yes,no)
10:55 cait          last one everyone :)
10:54 magnuse       w00t!
10:54 cait          #agreed Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron. yes (12): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, indradg, tcohen, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, schnydszch
10:54 huginn        yes (12): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, indradg, tcohen, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, schnydszch
10:54 huginn        Voted on "Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron?" Results are
10:54 cait          #endvote
10:54 cait          ending vote in a moment
10:54 magnuse       (for the others)
10:54 magnuse       #vote yes
10:53 indradg       #vote yes
10:53 drojf         (for the others)
10:53 drojf         #vote yes
10:53 tajoli        in fact in the last hour
10:53 eythian       #vote yes
10:53 cait          looks like we are going to have a great 3.24 release team :)
10:53 bgkriegel     #vote yes
10:53 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:53 HAgud         #vote yes
10:53 eythian       mveron: I added you
10:53 tcohen        #vote yes
10:53 thd           #vote yes
10:53 wnickc        #vote yes
10:53 cait          yep :)
10:53 drojf         swesome
10:53 drojf         oh tajoli sneaked in last minute too :)
10:53 jajm          #vote yes
10:53 cait          #vote yes
10:53 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:53 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:53 cait          #startvote Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron? (yes,no)
10:53 * magnuse     can do it
10:52 * mveron      can not login to the wiki at the moment
10:51 cait          i will add you to my voting thing :)
10:51 cait          please add yourself to the wiki
10:51 thd           mveron++
10:51 tcohen        mveron++
10:51 drojf         mveron++
10:51 mveron        Ok
10:51 tcohen        mveron: you ARE a bug wrangler
10:51 drojf         do it now!
10:51 magnuse       mveron: if you hurry :-)
10:51 drojf         mveron: yes
10:51 drojf         lol
10:51 cait          hehe
10:51 mveron        Question: Can I still join the Bug Wranglers?
10:51 cait          #agreed Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi. yes (13): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, indradg, mveron, thd, drojf, tajoli, bgkriegel
10:51 magnuse       yay!
10:51 tcohen        #info tcohen will duel brendan's guys if there is a conflict
10:50 huginn        yes (13): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, indradg, mveron, thd, drojf, tajoli, bgkriegel
10:50 huginn        Voted on "Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi?" Results are
10:50 cait          #endvote
10:50 drojf         i know :)
10:50 cait          ending vote in a moment
10:50 magnuse       drojf: even if you did, the bot would keep track of it :-)
10:50 tajoli        #vote yes
10:49 tcohen        drojf: no
10:49 bgkriegel     #vote yes
10:49 drojf         i'm so tired, did i vote twice now?
10:49 drojf         #vote yes
10:49 fredericd     #vote yes
10:49 thd           #vote yes
10:49 wnickc        #vote yes
10:49 jajm          #vote yes
10:49 indradg       #vote yes
10:49 HAgud         #vote yes
10:49 cait          #vote yes
10:49 mveron        #vote yes
10:49 eythian       #vote yes
10:48 magnuse       #vote yes
10:48 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:48 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:48 cait          #startvote Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi? (yes,no)
10:48 drojf         needs answer options
10:48 cait          oh sec
10:48 tcohen        hm
10:48 indradg       magnuse+
10:48 huginn        Unable to parse vote topic and options.
10:48 cait          #startvote Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi
10:48 cait          ok
10:48 magnuse       well, if bag is asleep let's just vote and leave the duelling for later
10:48 eythian       vservers at dawn
10:48 indradg       heh
10:48 magnuse       now we're talking
10:48 magnuse       yeah!
10:47 cait          bug squash duel!
10:47 magnuse       "chief jenkins assistant to the rm"
10:47 cait          hehe
10:47 drojf         otherwise you will challenge each other to a duel and sort it out
10:47 tcohen        magnuse: it makes sense
10:47 drojf         i suppose the more people volunteer on doing stuff, the better
10:47 magnuse       yeah, same for me, i just wanted to point it out
10:47 tcohen        bag
10:46 cait          my feeling is, that it won't conflict -t here is lots to do
10:46 magnuse       yup
10:46 cait          might have fallen asleep now
10:46 cait          bag? :)
10:46 drojf         ah he can explain it better himself :)
10:46 drojf         tcohen: i think bag had someone appointed to do jenkins stuff in his proposal, that is probably what magnuse is talking about
10:46 magnuse       bag said in his proposal: "Jesse Weaver (Pianohacker) and Kyle Hall - help me with the tech and will be on the QA team. [...] One of them will be responsible as the Jenkins manager since I will need help there."
10:46 eythian       drojf: secretly you are being voted for every role
10:45 tcohen        2) go beyond testing: packaging automation and doc generation
10:45 drojf         every time i am highlighted after a vote ends i am in fear i volunteered for something being half asleep
10:45 tcohen        1) make it more useful
10:45 tcohen        to
10:45 tcohen        my idea is taking care of the continous integration infrastructure tp
10:44 magnuse       gmcharlt++
10:44 tcohen        i'm not sure we'll conflict
10:44 cait          #agreed Packaging Manager: Galen Charlton. yes (15): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, schnydszch, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, tajoli, indradg, mveron, cait, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:44 magnuse       question about the "Continous integration infrastructure maintainer" role: bag mentioned something about CI in his proposal - will tcohen in this role (potentially) conflict with bag's plans?
10:44 eythian       #vote yes
10:44 huginn        yes (15): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, schnydszch, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, tajoli, indradg, mveron, cait, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:44 huginn        Voted on "Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager?" Results are
10:44 cait          #endvote
10:43 eythian       #vote yes
10:43 cait          closing vote in a moment
10:43 indradg       #vote yes
10:43 eythian       #vote yes
10:43 tcohen        gmcharlt++
10:43 jajm          #vote yes
10:43 eythian       :)
10:43 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:43 tcohen        eythian++
10:43 bgkriegel     #vote yes
10:43 wnickc        #vote yes
10:43 magnuse       eythian++
10:43 eythian       #vote yes
10:43 eythian       just kidding
10:43 cait          #vote yes
10:43 eythian       #vote no
10:43 HAgud         #vote yes
10:43 cait          and eythian++ for all the hard work done
10:42 eythian       #vote yes
10:42 tajoli        #vote yes
10:42 magnuse       #vote yes
10:42 drojf         #vote yes
10:42 mveron        #vote yes
10:42 eythian       #vote yes
10:42 thd           #vote yes
10:42 fredericd     #vote yes
10:42 tcohen        #vote yes
10:42 eythian       #vote yes
10:42 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:42 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:42 cait          #startvote Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager? (yes,no)
10:42 drojf         handing back to the old and new qa manager/chair person
10:42 cait          I will continue now :)
10:42 cait          :)
10:42 drojf         #agreed: Quality Assurance (QA) Team: Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart: yes (14): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, cait, HAgud, tajoli, mveron, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:41 huginn        yes (14): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, cait, HAgud, tajoli, mveron, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:41 huginn        Voted on "Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team?" Results are
10:41 drojf         #endvote
10:41 tcohen        all your sheeps
10:40 cait          #vote yes
10:40 drojf         closing vote in a moment
10:40 * cait        is very happy about the QA team :)
10:40 eythian       heh
10:40 tcohen        eythian: at this point i'm shameless
10:40 tajoli        #vote yes
10:40 magnuse       #vote yes
10:40 thd           #vote yes
10:40 eythian       tcohen: voting for yourself eh? ;)
10:40 wnickc        oops
10:40 fredericd     #vote yes
10:40 wnickc        zaphod
10:39 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:39 HAgud         #vote yes
10:39 bgkriegel     #vote yes
10:39 wnickc        #vote yes
10:39 drojf         #vote yes
10:39 tcohen        #vote yes
10:39 eythian       #vote yes
10:39 jajm          #vote yes
10:39 mveron        #vote yes
10:39 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:39 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:39 drojf         #startvote Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team? (yes,no)
10:38 drojf         ok i'll do qa team too, just a sec
10:38 thd           #vote yes
10:38 tajoli        sorry, dealy. for the record #vote yes
10:37 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:37 drojf         i can only do one thing at a time :'(
10:37 mveron        cait ++
10:37 cait          ;)
10:37 cait          *sobs*
10:37 drojf         handing back to cait
10:37 tcohen        so ou don't support her
10:37 drojf         sorry :) for the record #vote yes
10:37 eythian       haha
10:36 drojf         oh damn i forgot to vote myself
10:36 tcohen        cait++
10:36 magnuse       cait++
10:36 drojf         #agreed: QA Manager: Katrin Fischer yes (10): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, mveron, tcohen, schnydszch, bgkriegel
10:36 huginn        yes (10): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, mveron, tcohen, schnydszch, bgkriegel
10:36 huginn        Voted on "Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager?" Results are
10:36 drojf         #endvote
10:35 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:35 drojf         closing vote in a minute
10:35 HAgud         #vote yes
10:35 magnuse       #vote yes
10:35 eythian       #vote yes
10:35 tcohen        #vote yes
10:35 mveron        #vote yes
10:35 fredericd     #vote yes
10:35 wnickc        #vote yes
10:35 jajm          #vote yes
10:35 bgkriegel     #vote yes
10:34 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:34 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:34 drojf         #startvote Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager? (yes,no)
10:34 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:34 cait          handing over to drojf
10:34 drojf         ok, taking over for cait briefly so she can concentrate on being elected :)
10:34 huginn        Current chairs: cait drojf
10:34 cait          #chair drojf
10:34 cait          #agreed Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard. yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, fredericd, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, cait, mveron, tcohen, bgkriegel
10:34 huginn        yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, fredericd, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, cait, mveron, tcohen, bgkriegel
10:34 huginn        Voted on "Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager?" Results are
10:34 cait          #endvote
10:34 cait          closing vote in a moment
10:34 fredericd     #vote yes
10:33 magnuse       #vote yes
10:33 jajm          #vote yes
10:33 HAgud         #vote yes
10:33 wnickc        #vote yes
10:33 tajoli        #vote yes
10:33 mveron        #vote yes
10:33 bgkriegel     #vote yes
10:33 tcohen        #vote yes
10:33 cait          #vote yes
10:33 eythian       #vote yes
10:33 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:33 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:33 cait          #startvote Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager? (yes,no)
10:33 magnuse       go cait go :-)
10:33 cait          thx to you! :)
10:33 cait          I will combine the next too if noone vetoes :)
10:33 bgkriegel     thanks to all :)
10:32 eythian       but it's bedtime
10:32 cait          #agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo González Kriegel.  yes (12): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, cait, mveron, schnydszch, drojf, tcohen
10:32 cait          more and more people waking up :)
10:32 huginn        yes (12): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, cait, mveron, schnydszch, drojf, tcohen
10:32 huginn        Voted on "Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager?" Results are
10:32 cait          #endvote
10:32 * bag         will still stay out of it for now
10:32 bag           back ha thanks for the support all
10:32 cait          ending vote in a moment
10:31 HAgud         #vote yes
10:31 bgkriegel     :)
10:31 cait          bgkriegel++ :)
10:31 magnuse       #vote yes
10:31 wnickc        #vote yes
10:31 fredericd     #vote yes
10:31 tcohen        thanks bgkriegel!
10:31 jajm          #vote yes
10:31 eythian       #vote yes
10:31 tajoli        #vote yes
10:31 tcohen        #vote yes
10:31 mveron        #vote yes
10:31 drojf         #vote yes
10:31 cait          #vote yes
10:30 * cait        just hopes she typed all the names right
10:30 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:30 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:30 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:30 cait          #startvote Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager? (yes,no)
10:30 cait          #agreed  Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP. yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, mveron, cait, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:30 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:30 huginn        yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, mveron, cait, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:30 huginn        Voted on "Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP?" Results are
10:30 cait          #endvote
10:29 bgkriegel     #vote yes
10:29 cait          closing vote in a moment
10:29 cait          #vote yes
10:29 fredericd     #vote yes
10:28 jajm          #vote yes
10:28 wnickc        #vote yes
10:28 drojf         #vote yes
10:28 tajoli        #vote yes
10:28 mveron        #vote yes
10:28 tcohen        #vote yes
10:28 eythian       #vote yes
10:28 magnuse       #vote yes
10:28 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:28 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:28 cait          #startvote Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP? (yes,no)
10:28 cait          #agreed Release maintainers:  Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18). yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, cait, mveron, tcohen, drojf, schnydszch
10:27 huginn        yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, cait, mveron, tcohen, drojf, schnydszch
10:27 huginn        Voted on "Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers?" Results are
10:27 cait          #endvote
10:27 cait          oh and congrats bag of course :)
10:27 cait          ending the vote in a moment
10:26 tcohen        #vote yes
10:26 jajm          #vote yes
10:26 fredericd     #vote yes
10:26 magnuse       #vote yes
10:26 drojf         #vote yes
10:26 mveron        #vote yes
10:26 wnickc        #vote yes
10:26 tajoli        #vote yes
10:26 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:26 eythian       #vote yes
10:26 cait          #vote yes
10:25 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:25 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:25 cait          #startvote Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers? (yes,no)
10:25 tcohen        [off] yeah, poor bag :-D
10:25 mveron        bag++
10:25 drojf         bag++
10:25 tcohen        bag++
10:25 tcohen        congratulations Brendan!
10:25 eythian       poor bag ;)
10:25 magnuse       congrats bag!
10:25 cait          #agreed RM: Brendan Gallagher yes (9): magnuse, cait, eythian, jajm, fredericd, tajoli, tcohen, drojf, mveron (+1 yes after ending the vote)
10:24 schnydszch    #vote yes
10:24 cait          ah nice, it works this time
10:24 huginn        yes (9): magnuse, cait, eythian, jajm, fredericd, tajoli, tcohen, drojf, mveron
10:24 huginn        Voted on "Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM?" Results are
10:24 cait          #endvote
10:24 fredericd     #vote yes
10:24 cait          ending the vote in a moment...
10:24 magnuse       #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Brendan_Gallagher_3.24_RM_proposal
10:24 cait          tcohen: ?
10:23 schnydszch    #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines. Sorry it's the monthly meeting. :)
10:23 eythian       #vote yes
10:23 drojf         magnuse++
10:23 magnuse       i moved it
10:23 drojf         (just calling the page proposal i mean)
10:23 tcohen        cait: so you are signing to chair in six months?
10:23 cait          hm works for me
10:23 drojf         good proposal, bad link (if that is the correct link)
10:23 cait          tcohen: that's good, will use it next time
10:22 drojf         #vote yes
10:22 cait          #vote yes
10:22 mveron        #vote yes
10:22 tcohen        #vote yes
10:22 cait          #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal
10:22 tajoli        #vote yes
10:22 jajm          #vote yes
10:22 cait          Brendan's proposal can be found here btw
10:22 tcohen        do you support…
10:22 magnuse       #vote yes
10:22 cait          phrasing it as a question is kind of hard
10:22 eythian       drojf: nope, passing the torch, found a willing victim :)
10:22 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:22 huginn        Begin voting on: Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:22 cait          #startvote Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM? (yes,no)
10:21 huginn        magnuse: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:21 magnuse       @help startvote
10:21 drojf         eythian: no more package management for you?
10:21 drojf         worth a try
10:21 huginn        drojf: Error: There is no command "start vote".
10:21 drojf         @help start vote
10:21 * eythian     fails to help
10:21 huginn        cait: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:21 cait          @help startvote
10:21 eythian       #help startvote
10:21 huginn        eythian: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:21 eythian       @help startvote
10:21 cait          and if someone knows how to see the help page ... :)
10:20 cait          hm
10:20 huginn        Unable to parse vote topic and options.
10:20 cait          #startvote help
10:20 cait          now i need to figure out the vote bot again, give me a little moment
10:20 tajoli        +1
10:20 cait          otherwise, we will work top to bottom
10:20 tcohen        +1
10:20 mveron        +1
10:19 drojf         +1
10:19 cait          #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.24
10:19 cait          does that work for everyone?
10:19 cait          i'd like to do a group vote for the roles with multiple names people under one of the bold headings
10:19 bag           friends don’t let friends sleep and push
10:19 cait          ok, so we got no questions?
10:19 cait          don't sleep and push...
10:19 * bag         no vote ;)
10:19 magnuse       or sleepvoting
10:19 drojf         :D
10:18 cait          jinx
10:18 drojf         sleepwalking release manager, awesome
10:18 cait          sleep walking RM-candidate...
10:18 bag           waves from his sleep
10:18 bag           #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions
10:18 cait          are there questions about the proposals, roles or procedure?
10:17 cait          ok, before we start with voting
10:17 cait          #topic Elections of the release team for Koha 3.24
10:17 tcohen        yeap
10:16 cait          Moving on then
10:16 cait          something to add here?
10:16 magnuse       nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:15 cait          #link  http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/kohacon15/
10:15 tcohen        nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:15 magnuse       http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/kohacon15/
10:15 cait          nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:15 cait          rangi has some summaries and information about it on his blogs - feedback seemed quite positive
10:15 magnuse       yay!
10:14 cait          It happened! :)
10:14 * magnuse     hopes to do an update of the nb-NO web installer files
10:14 cait          #topic KohaCon15
10:14 xarragon      tcohen: So I found a bug of mine there thanks to you!
10:14 tcohen        sure
10:14 cait          moving on?
10:14 cait          might make sense too - in case you push more changes :)
10:14 xarragon      tcohen: AHA, that's whatw as wrong actually.. It is not set as a template variable by the get_template_and_auth, so it was empty, and browser just defaulted to the same document.
10:14 mveron        #info Marc Véron, Allschwil, Koha Support Schweiz
10:14 tcohen        it can happen after the beta
10:14 tajoli        ?
10:13 tajoli        do we prefer to transalte them this week  or later
10:13 tcohen        don't worry about that tajoli
10:13 cait          translating the new notices and all that
10:13 tcohen        ah
10:13 tcohen        tajoli: what about them?
10:13 wahanui       web installer files are sql files
10:13 tajoli        Yes web installer files
10:13 cait          or do you mean the web installer files?
10:12 tajoli        All SQL files that have stings to transalte (no MARC)
10:12 cait          tajoli: i think a part of those have already been pushed
10:12 cait          #info please let us know if something is missing on the Trello board - so it can be added (or add yourself if you have an account)
10:12 tcohen        ?
10:12 tajoli        This week or later ?
10:12 tcohen        there might be missing bugs on that propietary board, though, please add them or speak up
10:11 tajoli        About SQL setup (non MARC) translation
10:11 cait          questions for further announcements?
10:11 cait          #info Please help fix/text open bugs as noted on the (now public) trello board
10:11 cait          #info Koha Beta to be relesased by end of week, so features will only be pushed until then
10:10 cait          there are also some patches releated to removing the old outdated C4::Dates package, that need testing still http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=14870&hide_resolved=1 for an overview (mouse over to see status)
10:10 tcohen        that's all the announcements
10:10 tcohen        and pushing enhancements until friday/saturday
10:09 tcohen        so I'll be focusing on the plack issues
10:09 indradg       thanks tcohen
10:09 eythian       :)
10:09 tcohen        eythian: next time we'll use taiga
10:08 cait          there are also some plack problems in the 'needs QA' queue - i am nto there yet with plack, so help appreciated
10:08 tcohen        tajoli: not anymore
10:08 tcohen        yeah, specially 15032, which is a bit tricky, and looks like an integration issue, somehow
10:08 eythian       also proprietary
10:08 indradg       + 1 tajoli
10:08 tajoli        thomas, trello is private
10:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , addorder.pl redirect problems under plack behind apache 2.4.10
10:08 cait          bug 14743
10:08 tcohen        that require people to spend hours debugging them
10:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
10:08 cait          bug 15032
10:07 tcohen        but there are a couple problems in Plack
10:07 tcohen        right now, there aren't big issues (in general)
10:07 xarragon      tcohen: Thanks for the help
10:07 xarragon      tcohen: Ah, I have not set that preference
10:07 cait          #link https://trello.com/b/U2qRMwJO/3-22-blockers
10:07 tcohen        so people notice things that need attention
10:07 tcohen        that's why we set the trello board
10:06 tcohen        so more time to push things
10:06 tcohen        the more people, the less time i need to spend on fixing bugs
10:06 tcohen        it will depend on how involved people are on fixing bugs
10:06 tcohen        Only that by the end of the week we need to have a beta release, so feature freeze is approaching
10:05 xarragon      tcohen: Ok, I was using the variable exposed by the get_template_and_foobar() call..
10:05 tcohen        ah yes
10:04 tcohen        Koha.Preference('OPACBaseUrl')
10:04 cait          Any announcements? tcohen?
10:04 cait          of your opac... but in a meeting now, maybe ask a little later
10:04 cait          xarragon: it should be http(s):// and then the base url or your opac
10:04 xarragon      Or how do i form a link to an OPAC page from the staff itnerface?
10:03 cait          #topic Announcements
10:03 xarragon      Hm, is OPACBaseURL supposed to point to 127.0.1.1:8080?
10:03 cait          moving on to the next topic, see agenda above
10:03 drojf         #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
10:03 drojf         sorry, late :)
10:03 cait          drojf: intro please :)
10:02 tajoli        #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy
10:02 fredericd     #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil, France
10:02 tajoli        Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy
10:01 indradg       #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Tech, India
10:01 cait          #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
10:01 wnickc        #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
10:01 bgkriegel_p   #info Bernardo González Kriegel
10:01 magnuse       #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:00 tcohen        #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
10:00 cait          #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_4_November_2015
10:00 cait          today's agenda is
10:00 cait          please introduce yourself with #info, following wahanui's example
10:00 eythian       #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington
10:00 wahanui       #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:00 cait          #topic Introductions
10:00 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015'
10:00 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:00 huginn        Meeting started Wed Nov  4 10:00:10 2015 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:00 cait          #startmeeting General IRC meeting 4 November 2015
09:59 tajoli        Hi all
09:59 cait          ok, let's get this started
09:59 cait          morning bgkriegel_p :)
09:58 bgkriegel_p   Hi all, by phone :)
09:58 tcohen        hi tajoli bgkriegel_p
09:57 cait          getting full on #koha :)
09:56 * tcohen      seeks for the biggest mug to prepare coffee
09:55 cait          get ready everyone... 5 mins
09:50 tcohen        6:50
09:49 Amit_Gupta    hi tcohen
09:49 Amit_Gupta    hi cait
09:49 cait          how early is it for you?
09:48 tcohen        hi cait
09:48 tcohen        *yawn*
09:48 cait          morning tcohen :)
09:46 * indradg     waves at magnuse
09:46 magnuse       hiya indradg
09:43 * magnuse     sends bag some instant coffee
09:43 indradg       aloha #koha
09:43 magnuse       bag: HI
09:42 bag           I gave a copy of my notes to cait for the koha fund news - we’ve got some great news :)
09:41 bag           magnuse: knuckles dood
09:41 bag           sorry all - catch you in channel tomorrow - night night
09:41 bag           but I am pooped
09:41 bag           alright I was trying to stay awake for the meeting
09:41 magnuse       cait: closer to you, i think :-)
09:40 * Viktor      waves at andreashm
09:40 cait          andreashm: what did i read? you are moving?
09:40 * magnuse     waves back
09:39 * andreashm   waves
09:36 magnuse       drojf++
09:33 drojf         gotta run, hope to be there in time. later #koha
09:32 cait          drojf++
09:32 drojf         email sent
09:30 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10877 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add "Order Record" processing
09:30 cait          bug 10877
09:29 cait          Viktor: i have to admit that i had problems testing it - because i didn't quite undertand the use case. but maybe we can clear that up a bit :)
09:28 Viktor        cait Thanks no I missed that. Will have to have a look.
09:28 magnuse       looks like the meeting is ~0.5 hours away
09:27 drojf         got a junk mail from "office office". that must be a sign
09:26 cait          great thx
09:26 drojf         okwill send an email and run to the office ;)
09:24 cait          drojf: i think so, but please double check http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_4_November_2015
09:24 cait          it could go in the directin fo your vendor/items dev
09:24 cait          Viktor: have you seen kyle's patch for order marc records?
09:24 cait          Viktor: i understand cranky, feeling a bit off myself today. lots of those sound really interesting
09:23 drojf         that is a skill, right?
09:23 drojf         i'm very good at missing meetings lately :(
09:23 drojf         cait: oh, meeting? 10 utc?
09:21 magnuse       Oak
09:15 Viktor        (Also I'm having a bad day - sorry if it sounded unnecessary cranky)
09:14 Viktor        Myself I'm frustrated about our overdues patches. I though it was a general improvement that broke nothing and added flexibility but it's one that we burned lots of time and money on.
09:12 Viktor        Xarragon is working on finishing up the CMS system and is then going to add listing of "extended patron attributes" to ILS-DI and customize getStatus to make it work with Libris who wants to match on the 001-data
09:11 Francesca     probably time I was sleeping, night #koha
09:10 Viktor        (Though he's not working on all of those at once and they're not even briefed. But we'll want to make them happen if possible)
09:09 Viktor        Connection to central people registration in sweden, payments online through opac, different categories for the same patron (in some use cases), connecting ILL to Libris, expose e-books borrowing in the "My loans" on Opac. And not least getting the items and not only the records into Koha when ordering from our vendors.
09:08 cait          drojf: can i recruit you to send a reminder to the mailing list?
09:08 cait          in an hour
09:08 cait          and remember all... today is election meeting!
09:06 cait          what's the prio1? :) *curious*
09:06 cait          oh the prio1
09:06 Viktor        I'll ask if bumby can have a look while waiting for input on the prio1 we're doing right now.
09:06 cait          http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=14870&hide_resolved=1
09:05 cait          dependency tree with them all is here, if you mouse over you can see which still need sign-off
09:05 cait          the numbers for those are 14998 14985 14969 14965 14960 14954 14946
09:05 wahanui       i think huginn is a weather forecaster
09:05 Francesca     where is huginn
09:05 cait          or one of the C4:::Dates patches would be awesome
09:04 wahanui       bug 15112 is nice
09:04 cait          bug 15112
09:04 Viktor        Which one are we talking about?
09:03 cait          he is so nice... he just can't say no, right?
09:03 magnuse       ooh, Viktor looks like he might be ready for a signoff or two
09:03 cait          Viktor: looking for testing volunteers...
09:03 cait          :)
09:03 Francesca     just gotta wait for december
09:03 Francesca     but i shall do mulitple christmas themes come december
09:02 Francesca     not yet
09:02 cait          i loved the halloween one
09:02 cait          you could make christmas themes maybe - for the dashboard
09:02 cait          Francesca: yep - nice :)
09:02 Francesca     at least bugzilla looks like koha now
09:02 cait          well, it's till there and needs testing!
09:01 magnuse       you just said that :-)
09:01 cait          bug 14954
09:01 * Francesca   wishes there were more webpages to style
09:01 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14954 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from holiday related files in folder tools
09:01 cait          bug 14954
09:00 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15112 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Make greybox consistent size across label and patron card creator
09:00 cait          bug 15112 is also nice
09:00 * magnuse     tries to bully himeself into completing the last bit of testing of the ncip code, for now
09:00 cait          oh come on.... dates patches
09:00 * drojf       hides
09:00 drojf         cait: sorry, busy talking about the weather
09:00 magnuse       cait++
08:59 * cait        tries to recruit
08:59 magnuse       not raining right now, though
08:59 cait          we still need volunteers testing things for the release
08:59 magnuse       nah, was mostly thinking about the temp
08:59 Francesca     you're a fan of rain, magnuse?
08:58 drojf         oh, it does not even say light :D
08:58 drojf         *fan of
08:58 drojf         you're a fanof light rain, magnuse? :)
08:56 magnuse       nice!
08:56 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:56 magnuse       @wunder boo
08:53 Francesca     don't envy you right now drojf
08:52 Francesca     really cold
08:52 Francesca     ugh cold
08:52 drojf         eeek
08:52 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 0.0°C (9:20 AM CET on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
08:52 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
08:31 Francesca     its meant to be spring here
08:30 Francesca     ugggh so cold
08:30 huginn        Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:30 Francesca     @wunder wlg
08:28 Francesca     we mustn't forget wahanui
08:28 Francesca     lol
08:28 jajm          hi Francesca and cait :) (and wahanui too of course)
08:27 wahanui       hi jajm :) are you in charge of the biblibre sandboxes now?
08:27 cait          hi jajm :)
08:26 Francesca     hi jajm
08:26 jajm          hello
08:25 Francesca     sup
08:25 * cait        waves back at Francesca :)
08:25 * Francesca   waves at cait
08:20 Francesca     heya
07:55 drojf         morning #koha
07:46 ClintD        could someone please put in my apology for tonights (late) irc meeting pls
07:41 reiveune      hello
07:40 wahanui       i already had it that way, Aizawl.
07:40 Aizawl        my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:40 Aizawl        let me rephrase my problem again.
07:40 alex_a        bonjour
07:24 Aizawl        thanks, magnuse but let me wait here.
07:22 magnuse       Aizawl: sorry, i don't know anything about the barcodes. hopefully someone else does. if you do not get a reply here, you might consider sending your question to the email list, you will reach more people that way
07:22 wahanui       i already had it that way, Aizawl.
07:22 Aizawl        my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:12 Aizawl        my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:10 magnuse       Aizawl: just state your problem and if anyone can help they will reply
07:06 Aizawl        hello, i need some help
07:04 Aizawl        hello, anybody
07:02 magnuse       yup
06:59 ashimema      in all levels.. signoff -> qa -> mm -> rm are all lacking time :(
06:58 ashimema      at the moment the community as a whole is a bit 'man hour starved'
06:58 ashimema      indeed
06:56 magnuse       we need more people to sign off too, though...
06:55 magnuse       there http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Brendan_Gallagher_3.24_RM_proposal
06:55 ashimema      I hope I'll have more time for Koha again soon.. but soon is still likely another 2 months away :(
06:54 ashimema      bag++
06:54 ashimema      all good having a solid release team but he bugs need to get to them ;)
06:54 ashimema      but he's right.. really needs a good QA team to back it up..
06:53 ashimema      sounds like a pretty good proposal
06:50 ashimema      I was thinking similar
06:50 ashimema      sounds sensible to me ;)
06:50 magnuse       have fun dcook
06:50 magnuse       "Brendan Gallagher 3.24 RM proposal" sound ok?
06:50 dcook         Ciao!
06:50 dcook         Ok, actually going now
06:49 magnuse       i am tempted to move that to a slightly more meaningful page name...
06:48 magnuse       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal
06:48 magnuse       yup
06:48 ashimema      is this on the wiki somewhere magnuse?
06:46 dcook         Yeah, I was just reading that
06:46 magnuse       bag says " We really need a strong QA group - ideally it should be 6~7 people - so we need more of you to volunteer here - no matter what - even if you only QA one thing a week - it helps us all) "
06:44 ashimema      I'd back you.. even if you could just done a couple a month that would be better than i've managed recently
06:44 dcook         Considering I haven't been testing either... I suppose that's a sign
06:44 ashimema      but you'd be more than welcome on the team to pass them too ;)
06:44 dcook         That's true...hehe
06:43 ashimema      dcook.. anyone can 'Fail QA' ;)
06:43 * dcook       really really needs to go home
06:43 dcook         Even if I rarely ever have time for it
06:43 dcook         I wish I could do QA... half tempted to do it
06:42 dcook         Ahh interesting
06:40 dcook         ?
06:40 magnuse       ooh, team bywater for rm, interesting :-)
06:39 magnuse       :-)
06:29 dcook         :p
06:29 dcook         Or...
06:29 dcook         Or fix up my Ansible playbooks
06:29 dcook         But really tempted to keep plodding away on my fledgling Android app
06:28 dcook         Well, maybe I should finish the chores...
06:28 dcook         I think I might even have some time to play today...
06:28 dcook         I really need to go home ;)
06:27 magnuse       anyway, dcook you can go home now ;-)
06:27 magnuse       well, there isn't too much normal around here
06:26 magnuse       i am? nah, pretty normal i think
06:25 dcook         you're late :p
06:25 * dcook       waves to magnuse
06:21 * magnuse     waves
03:08 dcook         :(
03:06 wizzyrea      :(
03:01 cdickinson    so yeah, kind of over today
03:01 cdickinson    despite the rain, the parking wardens are ruthless
03:01 cdickinson    running late for a presentation today, grabbed a 180 minute park at the university and was still in there more than 180 minutes later
03:00 cdickinson    I got a $65 parking ticket today
02:59 dcook         looooong day
02:47 cdickinson    it's been a long day
02:47 cdickinson    may not be configured properly*
02:47 cdickinson    if routes aren't being broadcast properly, some router on the path isn't connected properly... or something may just be confused, that happens sometimes, especially if configuration changes
02:44 dcook         Or maybe I can track down who is in charge of the network...
02:44 dcook         I can do things in reverse though, so maybe that will be good enough
02:44 dcook         It can't even get to that other machine :/
02:40 wizzyrea      that's probably a completely daft suggestion.
02:39 wizzyrea      can you use a different port than 22 for escaping? something they might always let out like 80?
02:31 dcook         Which may or may not be accurate
02:31 dcook         I think I might have a network diagram at home..
02:31 dcook         I was hoping there might be some tips and tricks for doing it without needing to visit the real world
02:31 dcook         Yeah, that's my thought
02:27 cdickinson    get to know more about how the layout works, then it should be easier to debug
02:23 dcook         I think I'll have to abandon my hope for now
02:23 dcook         I'm guessing that it's a NAT somewhere, as you said
02:19 dcook         There's a HTTP proxy at some point as well
02:19 eythian       yeah, that's not going to be fun
02:18 dcook         Fwiw, I think there are at least 2 different NATs somewhere
02:18 dcook         Machine A doesn't look like RFC1918 space
02:18 Francesca     ah
02:17 eythian       Francesca: private adressing that isn't routable on the internet
02:17 eythian       you need to know that
02:17 dcook         Machine A... I don't know what  space it's in.
02:17 Francesca     what is RFC1918 space
02:17 dcook         Machine A can get into it
02:17 dcook         Machine B is in RFC1918 space
02:17 eythian       but you usually can go the other way
02:16 eythian       well you can't go from the internet into RFC1918 space
02:16 dcook         Maybe that means something different than I think it means
02:16 dcook         Wait..
02:16 dcook         For Machine B, yes
02:16 eythian       are you in RFC1918 space?
02:15 dcook         There's probably also that, yes
02:15 eythian       as in, there's something in your system that you haven't mentioned here that makes it make sense.
02:15 dcook         That's my thought, and I don't think I know anyone who knows that missing information
02:14 eythian       this doesn't fit with how things should be working. There must be missing information somewhere.
02:14 dcook         According to route -n, my gateway is .1
02:13 dcook         Yeah, it's not there :/
02:13 eythian       'route -n' tells you your routing table
02:13 eythian       you may have a broken routing table then
02:13 dcook         ^
02:13 eythian       ‽
02:13 dcook         When I traceroute from Machine A to Machine B, it doesn't come up either
02:12 dcook         It's no machine I know about
02:12 dcook         Nopes
02:12 eythian       is .2 your local machine?
02:12 dcook         N!
02:12 dcook         So my first hop is XX.XX.XXX.2 and it stops there
02:11 dcook         Thanks cdickinson
02:11 dcook         Mmm thought I'd seen that somewhere
02:11 cdickinson    dcook: traceroute -n to disable reverse lookups
02:11 dcook         No idea what XX.XX.XXX.2 is..
02:11 dcook         It's failing on XX.XX.XXX.2
02:11 dcook         my gateeway is XX.XX.XXX.1
02:10 dcook         That lookup isn't on my gateway
02:10 dcook         Oh wait...
02:10 eythian       subnet?
02:10 dcook         Same network segment?
02:10 dcook         Which are on the same <insert networking term I can't remember>
02:10 dcook         It does seem to be doing a DNS lookup for the other machines..
02:10 cdickinson    wahanui is crashing
02:10 Francesca     and came back again but still
02:10 Francesca     woah wahanui just did a vanishing act
02:10 dcook         Ahh..
02:09 wahanui       google.com is 74.125.227.164
02:09 eythian       dns google.com
02:09 dcook         I can use traceroute for other machines and it works though
02:09 cdickinson    usually you can turn that off
02:09 cdickinson    depending on the implementation, traceroute tries a reverse lookup, I think
02:08 cdickinson    is it doing a reverse lookup?
02:08 dcook         That's what Google is saying, but I'm just using ip addresses
02:08 cdickinson    wow, I just killed wahanui
02:08 wahanui       I can't find that machine name
02:08 cdickinson    DNS problem?
02:07 dcook         But it says it's unable to lookup my gateway and Temporary failure in name resolution
02:07 cdickinson    yep
02:07 dcook         I try to traceroute Machine A
02:05 dcook         Although not always sure what to look for
02:05 dcook         Yeah, I've been trying traceroute on both ends
02:05 cdickinson    it'll tell you what hop the traffic is having problems at
02:04 cdickinson    eythian has the right idea
02:04 eythian       dcook: trace(route|path) or mtr may be more helpful
02:04 cdickinson    okay
02:03 * cdickinson  looks at the logs
02:03 dcook         I think I'm doomed, but I figure I'd better exhaust my possibilities
02:02 dcook         Indeed!
02:02 dcook         haha
02:02 cdickinson    I heard someone needs networking help
02:02 dcook         I suppose it's my gateway saying they're filtered though, so i'm guessing my gateway is blocking it?
02:01 dcook         Not sure what that means though
02:00 dcook         Hmm, so I can ping Machine A but the packets get filtered
02:00 dcook         Yeah, that's what I was thinking
02:00 dcook         I think there are a few NATs out there
02:00 eythian       no route is a router somewhere saying "I don't know how to get packets there"
02:00 dcook         Right, that would be it
02:00 eythian       that's timeout
01:59 dcook         Yeah, I would think you'd get at least a refused if it were the firewall, although maybe not for dropped packets..
01:59 eythian       or possibly a firewall, but I wouldn't expect the no route error in that case.
01:58 dcook         That's what I'm thinking
01:58 eythian       most likely, there's a NATting gateway or something that only allows one-way traffic.
01:58 dcook         I'm not sure :/
01:58 eythian       what is between the machines?
01:56 dcook         I suppose that is rather outside the scope of koha... :p
01:56 dcook         I know I've heard of this before where Machine A and Machine B can both Network Segment B, but only Machine A can access Network Segment A... unless you add a route, I think
01:55 dcook         I figure it's either Machine A's firewall or the router?
01:54 dcook         "ssh: connect to host XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX port 22: No route to host"
01:54 dcook         But Machine B can't ssh into Machine A
01:54 dcook         So I ssh into Machine A, then ssh into Machine B
01:54 dcook         I can ssh from one machine to another, but I can't do the same going backwards
01:54 dcook         Anyone have networking tips?
01:53 dcook         Looks like it wasn't a huge increase for print
01:53 dcook         This is old now: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/hardcopy-books-back-on-the-rise-as-ebook-and-ereader-sales-stagnate-20150118-12qmf4.html
01:53 wizzyrea      as well as observing bus habits of people
01:53 wizzyrea      ^ I read this recently
01:52 dcook         I think print sales are rising as ebook sales are falling though
01:52 wizzyrea      (I mean obviously)
01:52 wizzyrea      I can't say for sure how many are reading ebooks though
01:52 wizzyrea      online reading
01:52 wizzyrea      a lot definitely are doing things online
01:52 eythian       wizzyrea: many people are probably just using phones though
01:47 Francesca     or travel which has limits on how many books I can bring
01:47 Francesca     useful for international travel
01:47 Francesca     i have a sony e-reader
01:46 wizzyrea      which is actually different from a couple of years ago
01:46 wizzyrea      or other ereaders.
01:46 wizzyrea      nah, I think people are actually giving up on ebooks. I see a lot more paper books on the bus than kindles.
01:39 Francesca     paper books are not yet dead
01:38 wizzyrea      oh my
01:36 Francesca     http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/73678321/amazon-opening-a-brickandmortar-bookstore
01:29 eythian       http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Special-Delivery <-- a classic
01:12 * dcook       is actually working on fixing all the things and recovering data...
01:12 dcook         Break all the things!
01:00 wizzyrea      also that doesn't take multiple addresses. grumpymaking.
00:59 wizzyrea      I wonder when setting the subject on runreport.pl was broken.