IRC log for #koha, 2015-09-23

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00:01 wizzyrea yeah, idk.
00:01 wizzyrea oldest version ever.
00:01 wizzyrea I suppose we still have 2.2's hanging out there
00:01 wizzyrea since those are the ones that reliably work on windows.
00:03 eythian wizzyrea: <vex> is 404'ing for anyone else
00:03 eythian not just you
00:03 wizzyrea \o/
00:04 wizzyrea that's ubuntu, I was having trouble with debian - but yeah something is up there.
00:04 eythian same host, I think
00:04 wizzyrea good point
00:04 eythian citilink I think
00:05 wizzyrea kinda glad my thing got postponed, tbh
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00:44 ibeardslee eythian: #ubuntu-nz was also mentioning that
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02:53 eythian wow, that passport I completed the renewal for yesterday shipped today
02:53 eythian that's surprisingly fast
02:55 Francesca good news then?
02:55 wahanui well, good news then is that what koha displays is right on the page :)
02:56 Francesca is it one of those 10 year ones?
02:56 eythian no
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02:56 eythian I need one sooner than they're coming out
02:56 eythian my current one is getting dangerously close to expiring and I have travel approaching.
02:56 Francesca ah
02:56 Francesca where are you going? travel sounds good right about now
02:57 eythian[…]/presentation/39/
02:57 eythian (i.e. Hobart)
02:57 Francesca hahaha
02:57 Francesca looks cool
03:02 eythian @later tell dcook flight fixed.
03:02 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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03:20 bwagman Hi. I am having an issue with a new install. I added a whole bunch of Z39.50 searches because I cannot seem to get any to find ISBN's. I am using a pre-made virtual machine running debian jessie. I am not much of a linux user and I dont know if there may be something set up wrong in the actual install coding or in the web interface. The virtual machine does have access to the internet but you cannot access the Koha instance fr
03:26 wizzyrea Do you have them set to unimarc instead of marc21?
03:26 bwagman hmmm... let me check
03:28 bwagman they are all unimarc -- and all utf8 except one which is marc-8
03:28 wizzyrea change them to marc21
03:28 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
03:29 wizzyrea or change one, and see if that one works
03:29 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
03:29 wizzyrea and if it does
03:29 bwagman ok one sec and ill try a search too
03:29 wizzyrea change the rest :)
03:29 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
03:29 wizzyrea literal change
03:29 wahanui wizzyrea: change =is= done|to make it easier translatable - i think maybe not try tomake it do everything now, but make afirst step?
03:29 wizzyrea sh wahanui.
03:29 wizzyrea (he's a bot)
03:29 wizzyrea he/she/it.
03:31 wizzyrea we really ought to default that to blank.
03:32 bwagman thanks i was a little confused lol. Ive changed about 6 of my searches to MARC21 and will try a search now. Im sure at least one of those 6 will pick something up. one sec
03:33 wizzyrea if that was the problem, yeah :)
03:35 bwagman nope no dice. its still coming back no results
03:35 wizzyrea what sources are you using?
03:35 bwagman thank you for helping me by the way
03:35 wizzyrea you can paste them at
03:36 wizzyrea ah it's what we do
03:36 bwagman sources? the z39.50 stuff? sorry i am not a librarian
03:36 wizzyrea yep, whatever you put in for them: hostname, port, database, syntax, encoding, record type
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03:38 pastebot "bwagman" at pasted "z39.50 sources" (24 lines) at
03:39 bwagman i guess i could have formatted that better. first time using the paste thingy
03:41 wizzyrea that's alright
03:42 wizzyrea what's the isbn you are trying with
03:43 bwagman 9780077341329
03:45 wizzyrea That doesn't seem like the best test book
03:46 wizzyrea 9780545010221
03:46 bwagman let me see if i can find another. im running through storage and seem to only be finding textbooks lol sorry be right back
03:47 wizzyrea sok
03:47 wizzyrea I don't get anything out of, at least, the access penn one
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03:49 wizzyrea try adding port 210 db LCDB USMARC UTF8
03:49 bwagman i didnt even get the penn one to pull that up and im searching all of them,
03:50 bwagman i found two regular books in storage
03:50 wizzyrea and with that ISBN I gave you
03:50 bwagman checking them know
03:50 wizzyrea I didn't get anything at all out of the penn one
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03:50 wizzyrea LOC is the best to test with, as far as connectivity goes.
03:50 wizzyrea if you can find stuff in LOC, then something is wrong with your definitions
03:51 bwagman ok one sec i just saw your source to add
03:51 wizzyrea if you can't, you probably have some kind of problem with connectivity
03:51 bwagman oooh wait
03:51 bwagman so one of the bboks i found before i added your source pulled up a ton
03:52 wizzyrea cool :)
03:52 wizzyrea you'll probably want to set them all to MARC21/UTF8
03:53 bwagman however they are all wrong. maybe i mistyped. ugh. let me add your suggestion
03:53 bwagman nvm i puit yours in. i got harry potter
03:53 bwagman (facepalm)
03:54 bwagman let me try one of mine.
03:55 wizzyrea :)
03:55 wizzyrea at least we know it's not connectivity
03:55 pastebot "bwagman" at pasted "harry potter" (13 lines) at
03:55 wizzyrea yep that seems right
03:57 bwagman maybe my books are just too off the wall
03:57 wizzyrea it can happen :/
03:57 eythian MARC-8 needs to be put down, out of our misery.
03:57 wizzyrea library of congress should come up with something for them
03:57 bwagman well at least i know that it does work
03:57 wizzyrea maybe.
03:57 eythian wahanui: marc-8
03:57 wahanui i think marc-8 is let's take rule 123, combine it with incompetence, stupidity, and malice, and turn that into something we'll call a 'character set' that really isn't.
03:57 eythian that's about right
03:58 * wizzyrea nods
03:58 bwagman i will go through and change them all to marc21
03:59 eythian you really don't want to import unimarc into a marc21 library. Madness _will_ ensue.
03:59 wizzyrea ^^^^^
03:59 wizzyrea Harry Potter is <reply> 9780545010221
03:59 wizzyrea ^ best book for testing z-targets
03:59 bwagman how do i know what my library is set up for?
04:00 eythian bwagman: where is your library based?
04:00 wizzyrea and what did you tell it when you installed Koha ^.^
04:00 eythian also that :)
04:00 wizzyrea oh you said it was a virtualbox. It will probably be MARC21
04:01 bwagman it was a preconfigured virtual machine I got from the web
04:01 eythian ah
04:01 eythian probably MARC21 then, yeah
04:01 wizzyrea kohadevbox or something else?
04:01 bwagman um its the new version on debian jessie. i need to find my paperwork i printed to say the source
04:03 bwagman this guy --
04:05 bwagman yup marc21. i will be sure to update the z39 searchs for that
04:05 eythian please don't put that into production with its default passwords though.
04:05 bwagman thanks again you guys were awesome. i was pounding my head on the desk for the past week
04:06 wizzyrea yep nw, good luck on your Koha adventure
04:06 bwagman I will not. I have to learn how to change the debian passwords. I think his manual mentions that
04:06 eythian ah cool
04:06 bwagman thanks again! ohy maybe one more quick question
04:07 wizzyrea shoot
04:07 bwagman how do i get the opac on the web? do i need a public Static IP from my ISP?
04:07 bwagman or can i link it somehow to my godaddy basic hosting?
04:08 eythian I wouldn't recommend hooking it up to something like that, that'd be quite complicated.
04:08 wizzyrea yeah, don't do that with a virtualbox
04:08 eythian you will need a static IP pointing to the server that it's running on.
04:08 eythian but also, ...
04:08 eythian what wizzyrea said
04:09 bwagman i converted it to a Hyper-v. But if i do, i will move it to a physical.
04:09 wizzyrea but. IF you wanted to actually connect it to the web on a real server, you'd want a static IP from your ISP, and probably a domain name to make things easy.
04:09 * eythian wonders if the vbox images can be updated from within them.
04:10 bwagman Thanks. I will definatly find someone to help with that when I get there but not for a few years lol
04:10 wizzyrea :)
04:10 bwagman @eythain what do you mean update? update the OS or the Koha?
04:10 huginn bwagman: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
04:10 wizzyrea probably - wouldn't you just update it, then take an image at the update point?
04:10 eythian bwagman: I was thinking Koha, but also the OS.
04:11 eythian wizzyrea: the question is, how is Koha installed within the image?
04:11 wizzyrea yeah good point, idk
04:11 bwagman You would just act as if its a physical machine your working with. Yes you can update it.
04:11 wizzyrea probably a package but... who knows
04:11 eythian bwagman: well, it's more a function of how the Koha image is built.
04:12 bwagman That link i gave explaines how to install from scrach if you wanted to on a vurtual machine
04:12 wizzyrea install instructions?
04:12 wizzyrea installation?
04:12 wahanui installation is, like, running a modified 3.6.x
04:12 wizzyrea bah
04:13 wizzyrea koha on debian
04:13 wahanui koha on debian is[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
04:13 wizzyrea ^ these are really the only instructions you want to use
04:13 wizzyrea[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian
04:13 wizzyrea this actually
04:13 eythian no wahanui, installation is
04:13 wahanui okay, eythian.
04:13 wizzyrea forget koha on debian
04:13 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot koha on debian
04:13 wizzyrea koha on debian is <reply>[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian
04:14 bwagman good point. i dont know much yet on koha. Ill figure out how to update it eventually (koha)
04:14 bwagman thanks for the link.... looks like i have a lot of "light" reading in my near future
04:14 wizzyrea those instructions aren't too much different from the ones on the wiki
04:14 wizzyrea from the (pretty literally) 10 seconds I spent looking at them
04:15 wizzyrea BUT
04:15 wizzyrea I wouldn't use those instructions. Always go to sites because we have the most recent everything.
04:16 wizzyrea </end schoolmarm advice>
04:16 bwagman ok cool. yeah i searched VM on there and it brought the outdated 2012 stuff up so i wandered away
04:16 wizzyrea Yeah, we don't really support VM's
04:16 wizzyrea except kohadevbox
04:16 wizzyrea and that's kind of a project outside of Koha
04:17 eythian and for dev rather than production
04:17 wizzyrea (and ^ that)
04:17 bwagman ok no i understand. I just dont know enough about debian to install it on a physical comp. Im not good with command line
04:17 bwagman and i did not have a spare server
04:17 wizzyrea it's alright. You could practice with an empty VM :)
04:18 wizzyrea for funsies.
04:18 wizzyrea what I would probably do
04:18 wizzyrea would be to find a debian image
04:18 wizzyrea then install koha on it
04:18 bwagman will do!thanks again! have a great night! i will go get my learn on!
04:18 wizzyrea good luck :)
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05:28 Amit_Gupta hi all
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06:09 * magnuse waves
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06:43 alex_a bonjour
06:43 wahanui hey, alex_a
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06:44 reiveune hello
06:44 wahanui privet, reiveune
06:46 fridolin hie there
07:04 magnuse bonjour france!
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07:07 Joubu hello
07:07 wahanui kia ora, Joubu
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07:55 cait1 morning #koha
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08:00 * Francesca waves at cait1
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08:01 * cait1 waves at Francesca
08:02 Francesca different nickname than usual today?
08:03 * magnuse waves again
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08:05 magnuse ooh, has Viktor / viktorsarge_ managed to clone himself?
08:05 * cait1 wnats to be his pupil then and learn how to do that
08:06 * magnuse too
08:12 Francesca hahaha
08:12 * Francesca would like to clone herself too
08:21 cait1 magnuse: hm is one of the Viktors alive?
08:22 magnuse looks like one of them evaporated
08:22 magnuse so maybe he can clone himself, but the clones are short lived
08:22 cait1 too bad
08:22 cait1 there had to be a catch
08:23 magnuse yeah...
08:23 magnuse might be able to improve that over time, though
08:23 Amit_Gupta hi magnuse
08:25 Francesca cloning would be so useful for uni
08:25 magnuse hiya Amit_Gupta
08:46 magnuse oh noes, we lost the last viktor too!
08:50 cait1 it gets scary
08:50 cait1 maybe this cloning needs some more testing... and QA!
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09:31 Francesca cdickinson /cdickinphone has learnt the art of cloning as well
09:32 cdickinson they're not quite the same
09:32 cait1 the art... or the curse? :)
09:32 Francesca hmmm cdickinson you tell me
09:32 cdickinphone But the same person
09:32 Francesca is cloning a curse or an artform
09:32 cdickinphone Art
09:32 cdickinson curse
09:32 Francesca hahaha
09:33 Francesca are you just going to contradict yourself everytime?
09:33 Francesca @wunder wlg
09:33 cdickinson yes
09:33 cdickinphone No
09:33 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on September 23, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
09:33 * Francesca should have seen that coming
09:33 cdickinson lol
09:34 Francesca ohh look its actually warming up
09:34 Francesca maybe it'll be nice tomorrow?
09:34 cdickinson @wunder lower hutt
09:34 huginn cdickinson: The current temperature in Waterloo, Lower Hutt, New Zealand is 10.5°C (9:30 PM NZST on September 23, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
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09:35 vidya I am getting following error Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 793. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 89. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 23.
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09:42 vidya_ How to slove this error? Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 793. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 89. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 23.
09:44 cdickinson vidya_ / vidya: check your MySQL database details in koha-conf.xml are correct
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10:05 Amit_Gupta bug @6810
10:34 cait1 bug 6810
10:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6810 enhancement, P4, ---, amitddng135, Passed QA , Send membership expiry reminder notices
10:43 magnuse @wunder boo
10:43 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on September 23, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
10:53 cait1 @wunder Konstanz
10:53 huginn cait1: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 12.2°C (12:53 PM CEST on September 23, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
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11:07 magnuse kia ora andreashm
11:07 andreashm hej magnuse
11:16 cait1 oh
11:16 cait1 now i missed andreas
11:23 cait1 Joubu++
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11:50 magnuse happy equinox, #koha!
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11:59 cait1 hi Viktor
12:01 Viktor Hi cait1
12:02 cait1 hm seems today is the day of clones
12:03 magnuse druthb!
12:03 wahanui druthb is an amazing person
12:03 magnuse yay
12:05 Viktor As long as it's not the clone wars...
12:06 cait1 heh
12:06 cait1 not that bad yet i think
12:12 magnuse ah migrations! never a boring day
12:18 magnuse librarytech--
12:23 cait1 *grumps along*
12:23 cait1 trying to make sense of all the price and tax stuff in acq right now
12:26 * magnuse feels sorry for cait
12:27 * magnuse sends cookies
12:27 cait1 acq data migration
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12:40 * magnuse whips the data into shape anyway
12:41 Joubu cait1: it would have been easier with the tax rewrite ;)
12:41 cait1 i totally believe you
12:42 cait1 why do we store discount as 3.000 and gst as 0.07? when it's the same value? :(
12:42 cait1 i mean... both percentages
12:43 Joubu because it's much more complicated this way?
12:43 cait1 ah right
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12:43 Joubu you can have a lot of pleasure with *100 and /100 in the code
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13:16 cait1 Joubu: i am tryin to stay optimistic, but it's hard today :)
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13:40 paul_p Joubu hello ;-)
13:42 Joubu paul_p: Salut!
13:54 cait1 Joubu: i see your call for me on the bugs - hope i will get to before monday
13:54 cait1 travelling again tomorrow and bug hunting in the acq migration :(
13:55 Joubu There is no bug in the acq module, we would know it
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14:22 magnuse pianohacker!
14:22 wahanui regexes are AWESOME
14:22 magnuse yay!
14:22 pianohacker hi magnuse :)
14:45 cait1 Joubu: in this case, it's bugs in our migration program
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14:49 Joubu @later tell tcohen never around when I need you!
14:49 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:54 magnuse would the koc system be up for ingesting 36000 issues/loans?
14:56 Joubu I would say yes, but just to let you give it a try :)
14:57 magnuse :-)
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15:08 reiveune bye
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15:44 Joubu magnuse: Could you explain me the point of the ansible branch in the kohadevbox repo?
15:44 Joubu Is there something we can do using ansible that we cannot with the master branch?
15:45 Joubu Does the idea to switch at some point to this branch?
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16:09 xarragon_ Deep recursion on subroutine "t::lib::TestBuilder::build", is this normal when you have a foreign key constraint to the same table?
16:11 Joubu xarragon_: yes, certainly. You can try to define a value for it, the builder won't try to create it (maybe)
16:11 Joubu have to go, see you tomorrow
16:15 xarragon_ Yes, I set it to either undef or the primary key of another, existing element.
16:17 xarragon_ On line 118 TestBuilder::build calls $self->build for foreign keys..
16:17 xarragon_ But I only have 4 values, an adjacency list.
16:17 xarragon_ It is hierartical data stored as id/parent on rows.
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16:17 xarragon_ With a foreign key constraint to ensure the parent actually exists.
16:19 xarragon_ Hmm.. wait. I am being stupid.
16:21 xarragon_ Not sure if it is even advisable to use a fk on that since I do have root nodes with null for parent
16:25 xarragon_ well, it does seem to be common to use fks on them so
16:28 xarragon_ Ok guys.. A while back i completed an implementation of MARC Field history and rollback functionality
16:28 xarragon_ Anyone interested in that feature? Testing it, giving suggestions for improvement etc? It is filed as a bug complete with patches
16:29 xarragon_[…]_bug.cgi?id=14367
16:29 huginn Bug 14367: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , History for MARC records. Roll back changes on a timeline or per field.
16:30 xarragon_ Going to set it to 'needs signoff'
16:42 barton tcohen -- looks like bug 14217 is at passed QA -- do you still want an additional signoff?
16:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Add a DOM syntax for specifying conditions on indexes
16:47 xarragon_ So even trivial schemas with onlyid/parent seems to trigger 'deep recursion', seemingly > 100 recursions. I must be using builder wrong.
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17:32 tcohen hi
17:32 wahanui salut, tcohen
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18:35 nitz0 Hi, I am having a weird issue with language: I installed es-ES (Koha 3.20). Then I allow users to change it but en-EN is disabled in L18N/L10N config. The issue is that I test it from different computers but there is one thata allways charge Koha using english (all firefox navigators).
18:52 cait hm strange
18:53 cait have you tried deleting cookies?
18:53 nitz0 I tried using lynx and the page opens using english.
18:53 nitz0 hi cait.
18:53 cait normally it detects from the browser first
18:54 cait the language settings for the preferred languages in the browser
18:54 nitz0 uhm, lets see..
18:54 cait and also stores the user's preference in the cookie
18:54 cait so i wonder why it would only happen on one computer hm.
18:55 nitz0 I tried with different users in the same computer and all opens it using english.
18:55 cait didyou try deletingthecookies?
18:56 nitz0 I be back, I am going to try.
18:57 liw eat or eat not, there is no delete
19:03 chris_n liw: LOL... my thoughts exactly
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19:16 Irene Hello! I have installed koha to a Local area networked computer. I was wondering how I can configure it to be accessible through my website
19:32 tcohen hi cait
19:32 cait hi tcohen
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21:11 wizzyrea hi
21:26 nitz0 cait : I needed to configure spanish language in firefox language preferences.
21:27 cait ah, that explains
21:27 * cait waves at wizzyrea
21:27 wizzyrea hi
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21:56 eythian hi
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22:47 Francesca hey
22:48 wizzyrea hallo
22:48 Francesca sup
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