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Doorook |
I guess that with the "Staged MARC Record Management" you import the documents once and for good. There is even a checkbox saying to "add the item" to the catalog each time during the process |
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Doorook |
Ty again. |
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wizzyrea |
is your zebra running? |
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wizzyrea |
sudo koha-start-zebra instancename (whatever yours is) |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: that sounds like a prank call. |
00:11 |
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wizzyrea |
totally is. |
00:13 |
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eythian |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]our_zebra_running.3F <-- happy, jcamins? |
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Francesca |
hahahahaha |
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wahanui |
i guess hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? |
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dcook |
@karma |
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huginn |
dcook: Highest karma: "cait" (261), "Joubu" (220), and "tcohen" (202). Lowest karma: "ie" (-26), "<-" (-19), and "-" (-17). You (dcook) are ranked 15 out of 476. |
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eythian |
dcook: did you determine if you're going to OSDC? |
01:44 |
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dcook |
Oh, I thought the grapevine would've reached you |
01:44 |
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dcook |
Bought the ticket the other day, and just booked the hotel/flight this morning |
01:44 |
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dcook |
:D |
01:44 |
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eythian |
cool |
01:44 |
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dcook |
Made sure to make your talk too |
01:45 |
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eythian |
I just got that all confirmed yesterday/today too |
01:45 |
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dcook |
Taking the later longer flight as a result :p |
01:45 |
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eythian |
which flight? |
01:45 |
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eythian |
I need to book my sydney related bits |
01:45 |
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dcook |
Ahh |
01:45 |
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dcook |
It's the 6:10 with a layover in Melbourne |
01:45 |
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dcook |
Short layover |
01:46 |
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eythian |
the arrive at 9:25 one? |
01:47 |
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dcook |
Mmm the 9:55 one I think |
01:47 |
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dcook |
It was cheaper and only slightly longer |
01:47 |
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eythian |
ah yep |
01:47 |
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eythian |
I might grab that one too |
01:47 |
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dcook |
:) |
01:48 |
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dcook |
Seemed like the best bet |
01:52 |
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eythian |
Hobart Terminal D Fri, 30 Oct 2015 06:10 p.m. |
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eythian |
Sydney SYD Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:55 p.m. |
01:52 |
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eythian |
booked in :) |
01:53 |
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eythian |
now to find a place to stay |
01:53 |
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eythian |
any recommendations on area? |
01:53 |
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dcook |
Sweet :) |
01:53 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I'm not sure. How long are you here for? |
01:54 |
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eythian |
leave lateish on the Sunday |
01:54 |
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dcook |
What do you hope to do while you're here? |
01:54 |
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wahanui |
here are some comments on it, problems we found: mailto:http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg00855.html |
01:54 |
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eythian |
dcook: wait |
01:54 |
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dcook |
? |
01:54 |
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eythian |
did I get my days wrong? |
01:54 |
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dcook |
Wait... |
01:54 |
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dcook |
Yes |
01:54 |
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dcook |
Yes you did |
01:54 |
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eythian |
bugger |
01:55 |
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eythian |
lets fix that now |
01:55 |
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dcook |
Probably a good idea |
01:55 |
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dcook |
Or you'll miss the gig as well |
01:55 |
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* dcook |
is glad that you noticed the dates |
01:55 |
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eythian |
yeah |
01:57 |
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eythian |
I was intending to go during the day on the friday |
01:57 |
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eythian |
I forgot that bit |
01:58 |
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dcook |
Ahh that makes sense |
01:58 |
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dcook |
I had wondered a bit about that |
01:58 |
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dcook |
I'll be working on Friday, so I figured I'd get back on Thursday so I could have the full day back |
02:02 |
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dcook |
That feeling when you're sure you had a great query sitting around a while ago for diagnosing a problem and now you have no idea what it was.. |
02:03 |
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dcook |
Bib records linked to the wrong authorities... |
02:04 |
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dcook |
Suppose this might be a job for link_bibs_to_authorities.pl... |
02:06 |
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eythian |
their change booking form was confusing until I realised that it was just putting details into a form to be dealt with by a person |
02:06 |
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dcook |
Ahh, that does sound confusing |
02:06 |
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dcook |
I've found them quite good on the phone |
02:07 |
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dcook |
When I had to cancel last year's flights, they were very understanding |
02:07 |
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eythian |
webjet? |
02:07 |
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dcook |
Ah, not webjet |
02:07 |
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eythian |
was going to say, $50 per person to do stuff via the phone |
02:07 |
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* dcook |
went direct through virgin |
02:07 |
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dcook |
*sadface* |
02:08 |
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dcook |
That sucks |
02:08 |
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eythian |
but no fee to do it through the website |
02:08 |
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dcook |
\o/ |
02:08 |
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dcook |
As for Sydney, I figure areas depend on what you want to do |
02:08 |
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dcook |
I only stayed here once as a visitor but I wouldn't recommend where I stayed.. |
02:09 |
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dcook |
Mmm keep in mind that the bus system is changing here dramatically in the next few weeks |
02:09 |
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dcook |
I think the CBD is a bit overpriced, but anywhere on a transit line is probably good |
02:10 |
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dcook |
I think there's one place by Hyde Park which is surprisingly affordable but I don't know the name off the top of my head |
02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
is your work not paying for any of your trip to osdc? |
02:11 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: the sydney part of it is my own trip |
02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
I meant dcook :) |
02:11 |
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eythian |
oh |
02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
but you too :D |
02:12 |
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dcook |
Hmm? |
02:12 |
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eythian |
dcook: is hyde park a convenient location to get to places? |
02:12 |
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dcook |
eythian: Hells yes |
02:13 |
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dcook |
There's a few train stations around there and a fair number of buses... and I think there are going to be more buses routed through there when you're here |
02:13 |
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eythian |
dcook: was the "Y Hotel" the cheap one you're thinking of? |
02:13 |
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dcook |
Also walkable to lots of places around the CBD |
02:13 |
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dcook |
No clue, unfortunately :( |
02:13 |
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dcook |
I just have a former instructor who always stays at the same place |
02:14 |
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dcook |
I might check my email to see if she mentioned it |
02:14 |
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eythian |
it's $300 where others are more like $600-$1000 |
02:14 |
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dcook |
Hmm no clue |
02:14 |
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wizzyrea |
...jesus |
02:14 |
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dcook |
Yeah, most around there are crazy |
02:14 |
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dcook |
Hmm I don't think it's that one but maybe |
02:15 |
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dcook |
Other areas... |
02:15 |
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dcook |
I'm not sure what the options are like in the Inner West as I think that's mostly residential.. |
02:15 |
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* dcook |
will have a quick look |
02:16 |
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dcook |
Newtown would be all right |
02:17 |
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eythian |
I already live in Newtown. |
02:17 |
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dcook |
Hmm maybe not so convenient then :p |
02:17 |
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dcook |
Camperdown is ok for bus/car connections but not so great for trains |
02:17 |
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dcook |
I probably wouldn't go west of Camperdown or Newtown.. |
02:17 |
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dcook |
Just for closeness |
02:18 |
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eythian |
I hate making these sorts of decisions, I'm going to go for this fairly cheap hyde park one. |
02:18 |
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dcook |
Hyde Park is a great location |
02:18 |
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dcook |
You'd be able to walk to/from the Metro on Friday as well |
02:18 |
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wizzyrea |
I love to travel. I hate to plan travel. |
02:18 |
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eythian |
(which does get a little more expensive when I decide I don't want a shared bathroom, but still on the cheaper end of the scale.) |
02:18 |
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eythian |
that'd be good |
02:19 |
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dcook |
What's the $300 for? |
02:19 |
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dcook |
Total or night? |
02:19 |
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eythian |
total, two nights |
02:19 |
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dcook |
Ahh two nights |
02:19 |
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dcook |
Maybe I put int he same thing.. |
02:19 |
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eythian |
friday and saturday |
02:19 |
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dcook |
Righto |
02:19 |
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dcook |
$300 seems pretty good |
02:19 |
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dcook |
In fact, damn good |
02:20 |
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eythian |
$418 when I get my own bathroom, but that's still on the good side |
02:20 |
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dcook |
Yeah, that's still pretty good |
02:20 |
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dcook |
Well, from what I'm seeing at least |
02:20 |
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dcook |
There are cheaper options but they seem farther out |
02:20 |
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wizzyrea |
is that total or per night? |
02:20 |
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eythian |
<dcook> Total or night? |
02:20 |
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eythian |
<eythian> total, two nights |
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wizzyrea |
sorry sorry >.< |
02:21 |
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* wizzyrea |
has too many inputs |
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wizzyrea |
isn't really an excuse, sorry :( |
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dcook |
eythian, I'm keen to hear how that stay goes. That seems to be one of the best bets in Sydney.. |
02:24 |
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* dcook |
is trying to remember how much he paid for an AirBnB last time he was in Melbourne.. |
02:28 |
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eythian |
http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ |
02:30 |
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cdickinson |
the website looks so appropriate |
02:32 |
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eythian |
oh yeah, need to finish renewing my passport |
02:32 |
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eythian |
gah so many things |
02:32 |
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dcook |
All the things! |
02:32 |
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dcook |
I'm hoping that I can just use my driver's licence |
02:32 |
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* dcook |
doesn't like taking his passport to all the places... except for the nice stamps |
02:32 |
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eythian |
I can't really do that :) |
02:32 |
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eythian |
I don't get stamps for Australia |
02:33 |
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dcook |
Really? Hmm |
02:33 |
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dcook |
They're not very exciting anyway |
02:33 |
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eythian |
but my current one is getting close to expiry |
02:33 |
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* dcook |
prefers the Dublin stamps |
02:33 |
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dcook |
Nice big and green :D |
02:40 |
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wizzyrea |
dcook: I don't know why you'd need your passport for travel w/in AU |
02:41 |
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wizzyrea |
I feel so spoiled because I don't even have to show ID to get on a domestic flight here. |
02:41 |
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wizzyrea |
I just have to have a boarding pass and it is luxury, I tell you. |
02:41 |
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wizzyrea |
oh, and the boarding pass can be my phone. |
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cdickinson |
<wizzyrea> dcook: I don't know why you'd need your passport for travel w/in AU <-- this is the stupidest thing I've heard all dayu |
02:42 |
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cdickinson |
day* |
02:42 |
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wizzyrea |
you mean needing a passport for domestic flying? |
02:44 |
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cdickinson |
yeah |
02:45 |
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cdickinson |
it's not like there is much risk getting on an international flight without a passport anyway |
02:45 |
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wizzyrea |
you have to have some sort of ID to board a plane in the US, to the point they won't let you to the gate without one. |
02:45 |
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cdickinson |
"might as well be a passport", right? |
02:45 |
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wizzyrea |
it is, in fact, very daft. |
02:45 |
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wizzyrea |
ikr. |
02:46 |
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cdickinson |
the passport is easily the most expensive form of ID I can think of |
02:46 |
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ibeardslee |
is it? After spending $$ on driving lessons etc, I'm not so sure |
02:46 |
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wizzyrea |
heh yeah. Well poor people don't travel, dontyaknow |
02:47 |
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cdickinson |
ibeardslee: here in NZ, a passport is something like $150, an NZ Learner driver's license doesn't require lessons and costs something like $90 and you need to pass a test |
02:47 |
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cdickinson |
actually, might be a little bit more, but it's still less than a passport |
02:47 |
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cdickinson |
but still, get a $30 18+ card and you're away |
02:47 |
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eythian |
$150? |
02:48 |
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cdickinson |
it was last time I got a passport |
02:48 |
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cdickinson |
admittedly, mine is now expired... |
02:48 |
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eythian |
ah |
02:48 |
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eythian |
so it is |
02:48 |
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eythian |
cheaper than I remember |
02:48 |
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cdickinson |
the 5 year passports we have here are dumb, makes them even more expensive |
02:48 |
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cdickinson |
my driver's license lasts longer |
02:48 |
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ibeardslee |
5 years still? rather than the older (and coming back) more expensive 10 years |
02:49 |
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cdickinson |
they're coming back, but all the people that had to buy 5 year passports, I feel for them |
02:50 |
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cdickinson |
not that I'm going to be going overseas for a while |
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tcohen |
hey |
03:23 |
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tcohen |
@later tell rangi please ping me about the s-bug |
03:23 |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
03:24 |
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cdickinson |
when is rangi coming back from overseas? |
03:24 |
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tcohen |
dcook: ? |
03:24 |
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northcottc |
End of October, I believe. |
03:25 |
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cdickinson |
ah, okay |
03:25 |
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dac |
Hmm? |
03:25 |
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dac |
Sorry, I got distracted by other things |
03:26 |
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northcottc |
tcohen: 12 October is the date I have. |
03:26 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: Back in Canada you have to have photo ID to travel and I only recently got a Aussie driver's licence. Not sure if they would've accepted my old licence in the past so I used to use a passport |
03:27 |
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tcohen |
thanks northcottc |
03:27 |
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tcohen |
hi dcook |
03:27 |
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dcook |
heya tcohen :) |
03:28 |
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tcohen |
so someone liked my patch heh |
03:28 |
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wizzyrea |
tcohen: I've got the dbix stuff all sorted out I think |
03:28 |
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tcohen |
oh, it is passed! |
03:28 |
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wizzyrea |
thank you for the advice :) |
03:28 |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: I'm looking at it |
03:29 |
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wizzyrea |
\o/ ty |
03:29 |
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dcook |
I recall liking a patch this morning but I can't remember why.. |
03:29 |
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dcook |
Oh right! |
03:29 |
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dcook |
Private notes! |
03:29 |
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wizzyrea |
I really need "like" on bugzilla. |
03:29 |
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dcook |
hehe |
03:29 |
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wizzyrea |
it feels like a thing that allows the least possible amount of interaction. |
03:29 |
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wizzyrea |
while still saying something. |
03:29 |
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* dcook |
likes that |
03:29 |
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dcook |
;) |
03:29 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
03:29 |
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dcook |
! |
03:38 |
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dcook |
Yikes... looks like someone on AWS was trying to break into one of our servers.. |
03:38 |
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wizzyrea |
typical. |
03:38 |
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dcook |
I think I've heard stories about people getting cheap time on AWS to launch attacks? |
03:38 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah, I've read about that tool; |
03:38 |
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wizzyrea |
too* |
03:39 |
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wizzyrea |
I am having serious trouble with the last bits of words today. |
03:39 |
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dcook |
That's no fu |
03:39 |
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dcook |
;) |
03:39 |
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* dcook |
really needs to eat lunch |
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tcohen |
night #koha |
03:40 |
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dcook |
night tcohen! |
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* eythian |
no longer has a passport |
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wizzyrea |
! |
04:09 |
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wizzyrea |
oh you had to send your old one |
04:09 |
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eythian |
hopefully the new one shows up in the expected time frame |
04:09 |
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eythian |
no, it's just effectively disabled apparently |
04:09 |
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wizzyrea |
I don't think there's anything worse than having your right to travel infringed. |
04:09 |
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eythian |
(i.e. they say "don't use it") |
04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
at least, not for people who are used to doing it |
04:10 |
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eythian |
yeah. new one should be here in a week or two, and I have a window of about 6 before I need it. |
04:10 |
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dcook |
You'll be right! |
04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
^ |
04:10 |
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dcook |
Hmm... |
04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
she'll be right, maybe? |
04:10 |
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wizzyrea |
or something. |
04:10 |
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wahanui |
something is sketchy |
04:11 |
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dcook |
I think both work |
04:11 |
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pastebot |
"dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Zebra is fun..." (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/75 |
04:12 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I'm missing something.. |
04:12 |
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eythian |
is it doing "terrorism", "and", "crime"? |
04:12 |
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eythian |
with an or between them? |
04:12 |
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dcook |
That's the guess, but that doesn't make sense with the Zebar output |
04:12 |
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dcook |
SearchResult-1: term=terrorism cnt=580, term=crime cnt=29841 |
04:12 |
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dcook |
If it were using "and", it would show up as a temr |
04:12 |
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eythian |
oh |
04:12 |
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eythian |
true |
04:12 |
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dcook |
The count of "crime" is different between the two queries |
04:12 |
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dcook |
So I'm thinking it's taking proximity into account |
04:13 |
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dcook |
Although even then.. |
04:13 |
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dcook |
Oh yes let's see.. |
04:13 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I think that has to be it |
04:13 |
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dcook |
As the latter gets one hit |
04:13 |
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dcook |
The terrorism-crime continuum |
04:14 |
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dcook |
The CCL2RPN must take that into account.. |
04:14 |
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dcook |
Something interesting is still happening.. |
04:15 |
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dcook |
ti,wrdl=terrorism crime will get 11964 cnt for crime.. |
04:15 |
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wizzyrea |
something interesting? |
04:15 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... something interesting is still happening.. |
04:15 |
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wizzyrea |
excellent. |
04:15 |
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dcook |
while ti=terrorism and crime gets 29841 for crime |
04:15 |
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dcook |
wrdl should be making it do an implicit and.. |
04:15 |
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* dcook |
is going to switch to rpn to see.. |
04:16 |
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dcook |
eythian: It might be worthwhile adding "set_cclfile" and "querytype" to your Zebra tips |
04:16 |
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dcook |
querytype ccl2rpn |
04:16 |
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dcook |
Gah.. |
04:16 |
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eythian |
can you? I'd probably put it in the wrong place because I don't really know what it is. |
04:16 |
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dcook |
set_cclfile /path/to/ccl.properties |
04:16 |
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dcook |
Sure thing. What's the URL again? |
04:18 |
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dcook |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bleshooting_Zebra |
04:18 |
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dcook |
? |
04:18 |
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eythian |
yeah |
04:18 |
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dcook |
Cool. Yeah, I'll add it there |
04:18 |
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dcook |
Handy for using your Koha's ccl.properties :D |
04:19 |
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dcook |
Oh... interesting.. |
04:19 |
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wahanui |
interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad |
04:20 |
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dcook |
It looks like I was right about that wrdl |
04:20 |
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dcook |
f @and @attr 1=Title terrorism @attr 1=Title crime returns the same thing as f ti,wrdl=terrorism crime |
04:21 |
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dcook |
f ti="terrorism and crime" will search "and" as well... |
04:21 |
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dcook |
SearchResult-1: term=terrorism cnt=580, term=and cnt=41970, term=crime cnt=11964 |
04:26 |
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dcook |
Yeah it has to be adding proximity in there.. |
04:29 |
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* dcook |
tries to remember the original question |
04:31 |
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dcook |
Mm "terrorism and crime" isn't really "terrorism" and "crime"... |
04:31 |
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dcook |
It's getting more results than it should.. |
04:36 |
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dcook |
Oooo |
04:37 |
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dcook |
I think I may have cracked it |
04:37 |
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* dcook |
does a little dance |
04:37 |
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dcook |
It's so obvious in the end |
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dcook |
If you think about it from a grammar perspective rather than a crazy Koha perspective |
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dcook |
ti=terrorism and crime |
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dcook |
Is not the same as |
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dcook |
ti=terrorism and ti=crime |
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dcook |
ti=terrorism and crime is actually... ti=terrorism and kw=crime |
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* dcook |
does a little dance again |
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dcook |
Ohh it even works in Koha |
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dcook |
ti:terrorism and ti:crime |
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eythian |
ah |
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eythian |
that makes sense |
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eythian |
hi cait |
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dcook |
I know, right? |
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dcook |
So obvious when you think about it |
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eythian |
cait: up early for more beer, is it? |
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dcook |
One reason why elliptical expressions suuuuuck |
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dcook |
beer! |
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eythian |
It's Oktoberfest there, after all. |
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eythian |
In september. |
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dcook |
I thought I saw something about there being a lot of beer in Konstanz at the moment |
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dcook |
I've heard stories of people drinking remarkably amounts of beer at Oktoberfest |
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dcook |
I always wondered if it meant the beer was watered down, or if it was actually just so good that you couldn't put it down |
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eythian |
I think they probably just get drunk |
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cait |
believe me - I would have liked to sleep longer :) |
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cait |
and nope no beer for me still |
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eythian |
still hungover from yesterday? |
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eythian |
you know the way to deal with that is more beer. |
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dojobo |
re: oktoberfest, i have heard that the waitresses will switch people to non-alcoholic beer without telling them |
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dojobo |
basically to cut them off |
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eythian |
heh, that's a good idea |
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dojobo |
they serve it by the liter |
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dojobo |
i'm going to munich this friday so i'll probably check out the fest |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
Non-alcoholic beer is actually pretty cheap |
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dcook |
Bought some recently so my wife could enjoy the taste even though she can't have alcohol at the moment |
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dcook |
Still tasted like beer :p |
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dojobo |
if she's pregnant, congrats |
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dcook |
thanks :) |
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dcook |
eythian: Now I'm getting ads for the Y Hotel :p |
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eythian |
haha |
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cait |
dcook: when is the date? |
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dcook |
cait: Mmm early/mid March |
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dcook |
So still a ways to go yet |
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dcook |
They're pretty big now though. I think last week they were the size of an avocado |
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dcook |
Not sure how big now.. |
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cait |
they? |
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wahanui |
they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) |
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dcook |
Ah, I mean it in a gender neutral way |
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cait |
ah |
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dcook |
Good ol' English :) |
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cait |
now i am slightly disappointed ;) |
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dcook |
:p |
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dcook |
I think I can only handle one at a time |
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dcook |
It's hard enough having two cats at the same time.. |
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* dcook |
doesn't know how he's going to cope with 2 fur babies and one furless baby |
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cait |
i've heard the furless ones can be real trouble |
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dcook |
That's what I hear as well |
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dcook |
But I hear that when they reach about 15 years old, they get useful for manual labour |
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* dcook |
is looking forward to having someone else that can help him carry heavy stuff |
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dcook |
Also, they can fetch beer when they turn 18 |
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* dcook |
thinks his priorities are pretty straight here |
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cait |
have to go... giving a presentation later today |
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cait |
wish me luck :) |
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dcook |
good luck! |
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dojobo |
Viel Glück |
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dcook |
What they said! |
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eythian |
g'luck :) |
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* dcook |
doesn't know the gender of dojobo so thought a gender neutral singular they would make sense |
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dcook |
Bonne chance! |
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dojobo |
:) male |
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eythian |
oh, I need to start thinking about my OSDC talk I guess. |
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dcook |
Bah! |
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dcook |
That's... oh wait |
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dcook |
I was going to say "that's quitter talk" |
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dcook |
But it didn't quite make sense |
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eythian |
no |
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eythian |
no it didn't |
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dcook |
:( |
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dcook |
If it helps, reading http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]erymodel-rpn.html helps |
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cait |
slides? |
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wahanui |
Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! |
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dcook |
turns out that "phrase" is the default structure attribute |
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eythian |
slides? |
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wahanui |
Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! |
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eythian |
slides? |
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wahanui |
Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! |
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eythian |
hrm |
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eythian |
literal slides |
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wahanui |
eythian: slides =is= <reply> Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! |
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cait |
:P |
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dcook |
Hence ti="terrorism crime" would be a phrase search because of the use of default values |
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eythian |
slides? |
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wahanui |
get back to writing them, cait! |
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cait |
gah. |
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cait |
bye :) |
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eythian |
later :) |
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dcook |
Maybe I should re-write some of the manual regarding CCL and Zebra searching... |
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* dcook |
thinks #koha is one of the reasons he enjoys his job so much |
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dcook |
You're rad folks, and helping each other and commenting together and stuff and things is nice |
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* dcook |
nods |
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dcook |
Hmm querytype is already in the wiki... |
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* dcook |
wonders who added that |
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dcook |
Ahh it looks like it was magnuse |
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dcook |
magnuse++ |
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dcook |
Hmm or maybe not.. |
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dcook |
Oh well. Keep the karma! |
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dcook |
Hmm my bad... I don't think it defaults to "kw" |
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dcook |
I think it defaults to "term" |
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eythian |
what is term to zebra? |
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dcook |
term t=l,r s=al |
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dcook |
t=l means left-truncated, s=al means each token in term is ANDed |
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eythian |
I'm kinda thinking of ES where term is a type of search you do on a field. |
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dcook |
type of search? |
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eythian |
well, "run spot run" becomes terms "run", "spot", "run" and so a term search will look for those individual words. |
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eythian |
roughly |
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dcook |
I'm thinking ",r" doesn't do anything.. |
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dcook |
Hmm |
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eythian |
it's somewhat of an intersection between how you index and how you search. |
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dcook |
What's the operation between them? |
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eythian |
default or I think |
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dcook |
? |
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eythian |
but you can change that |
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dcook |
So "run spot run" gets tokenized into "run", "spot", "run", yeah? |
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eythian |
yeah |
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dcook |
Then the default will be "AND" or "OR"? |
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eythian |
yep |
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dcook |
Cool. At the moment, I think the default in Koha is kw,wrdl so ... |
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eythian |
actually, I'm over simplifying |
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dcook |
kw,wrdl="run spot run" would do a keyword search for each term and and them together |
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dcook |
and AND* |
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eythian |
but if you did a term search for "spot" it'd return that record. |
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dcook |
Hmm maybe I don't follow |
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eythian |
you can't do a term search for "run spot" |
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eythian |
but you can do an AND of "term: title: "run"" and "term: title: "spot"" |
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dcook |
Hmm, so "term" would be like "word" I guess? |
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eythian |
(I'm not using this part of the API anyway though, except for authority searches.) |
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eythian |
typically yes |
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dcook |
A term being a single atomic term |
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eythian |
yeah, and you're looking for exact matches of them in ES-land |
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eythian |
a match query would let you do "run spot", it would tokenise it, and then use the results as terms. |
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eythian |
(again, roughly) |
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dcook |
Sounds a lot like the word list with Zebra |
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dcook |
Although I think a word list can only AND in Zebra.. |
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eythian |
but, you kinda need to index things twice to make that work, but that can be done automatically. |
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dcook |
Yeah? |
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eythian |
https://www.elastic.co/guide/e[…]l-term-query.html <-- "should" is like saying "or" |
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eythian |
(and "must" is like saying "and") |
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dcook |
Wouldn't it tokenize "run spot" into "run" and "spot" do a search for "run" do a search for "spot" and then and them together? |
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dcook |
interesting |
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wahanui |
rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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dcook |
Ohhh I think I follow |
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dcook |
Well.. maybe |
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eythian |
the best way to use ES really is to parse your search into a tree and then build an ES query out of that. |
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eythian |
which I'm not doing |
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dcook |
Unfortunately :( |
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dcook |
Yeah, I think the best way to use Zebra would be to parse the search into a tree and then build a PQF/RPN query out of it |
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eythian |
I'm using the function that lets you specify a lucene-style query instead |
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eythian |
as that pushes a lot of intelligence through to ES rather than me doing it myself. |
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dcook |
True that |
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dcook |
I suppose that would ignore a lot of system preferences, but that's not necessarily a bad thing |
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dcook |
Unless you make up for that |
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eythian |
oh, I can account for that |
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eythian |
I preparse the query myself |
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eythian |
which is ugly, but mostly works |
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eythian |
(using regexes etc, not doing it properly.) |
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dcook |
I know we've had this conversation before |
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dcook |
It's tough without there being a parser there for Zebra too |
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eythian |
yeah |
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dcook |
If I had all the time and money... |
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eythian |
what we need is some sort of thing that takes what the user types and turns it into a data structure that accounts for system preferences that describes what they really want :) |
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eythian |
then that can be translated into anything. |
05:54 |
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eythian |
some sort of ... query parser or something :) |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
That would be rad |
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dcook |
I feel like the query parser was so close... |
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eythian |
it'd be an interesting little project for an intern... |
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dcook |
That's true. It needs someone who can focus entirely on it. |
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eythian |
when I was at uni, doing a group assignment which was to build a man page searcher, one of the people (who happened to have a maths degree also) did pretty much nothing. Then one time when we were stuck, he sat down overnight and in the morning had built us a complete query parser. |
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dcook |
O_O |
05:59 |
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dcook |
Ain't that always the way? |
05:59 |
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dcook |
Well... sometimes the way |
05:59 |
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eythian |
certainly sometimes the way :) |
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eythian |
I should go, have a book launch to go to. |
06:03 |
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eythian |
later |
06:04 |
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dcook |
ta |
06:04 |
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eythian |
you're...welcome? |
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dcook |
I was going to say ta ta, but then I decided halfway through that I didn't want to say that and just hit enter :p |
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dcook |
later :p |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
salut, reiveune |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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dcook |
magnuse: I noticed you gave a bit of love to Troubleshooting Zebra |
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dcook |
I just created a new section: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]es_when_using_CCL |
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Joubu |
hi |
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wahanui |
privet, Joubu |
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dcook |
Need to head off for the day, but might be worth looking at :) |
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magnuse |
dcook++ |
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Joubu |
@later tell pianohacker Didn't you know someone else using B&T? |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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dcook |
magnuse: It took a bit of time to figure all that out, but super pleased with myself, haha |
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dcook |
Actually, the hardest part was finding evidence to prove my theories |
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dcook |
Anywho, night all |
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magnuse |
it's oh so quiet... |
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putti |
magnuse, hello! :) |
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magnuse |
hiya putti |
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putti |
magnuse, how koha/serials/serials-collection.pl -> "edit serials" should work? If one has already marked an issue received and then goes to edit it: changes status to something else like missing, but then changes it back to arrived there comes the item modification thingie.. should that come? |
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putti |
I think one should only be able to change the status not any information of the item. |
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magnuse |
putti: i am not sure, i'm not very familiar with the serials stuff |
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putti |
magnuse, okay, np. |
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Viktor |
We're discussing how to implement protection av MARC-fields per source/user class. |
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jcamins |
Viktor: 1) get rid of MARC 2) celebrate 3) profit |
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Viktor |
Is there more places doing import than Z39.50, staging for import. Shellscripts? |
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Viktor |
jcamins Sound good. I like Science fiction :) |
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jcamins |
Viktor: me too. |
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Viktor |
Wondering if everything uses the same code and we can just insert the field-protection into a single field. |
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Viktor |
Or if we have to hunt around all sorts of places. |
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magnuse |
Viktor: the bulkmarcimport.pl script |
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magnuse |
? |
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magnuse |
and the svc api (or maybe not, i am not sure) |
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Viktor |
Thanks magnuse |
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magnuse |
but everything *should* use ModBiblio AddBiblio etc |
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Viktor |
Great news. If they all use ModBibliot AddBiblio then we should attack those for a single point (of success:) |
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Viktor |
Would it be best to do "per framework" or "systemwide" do you think? |
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Viktor |
We are thinking for case 1 just to throw unwanted fields silently. |
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magnuse |
my gut feeling says systemwide |
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Viktor |
Good. |
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Viktor |
Combined with the history patch xarragon did it could be useful when syncing with national catalogues etc. |
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Viktor |
Or letting cataloguers change all fields and regular librarians some fields. |
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Viktor |
Does ModBiblio and AddBiblio have any idea right now of who is using them? |
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Viktor |
Only record och framework it seems. |
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Viktor |
So we would have to add _what_ source is using the script so we can handle differences between what source A, B, C is allowed to overwrite. |
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tcohen |
morning |
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tcohen |
Joubu: http://snag.gy/knIep.jpg <--- Jessie |
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Joubu |
tcohen: well, just reinserted my DB for tests and it passes! Sorry about that |
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magnuse |
Oak |
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tcohen |
Joubu: no worries, it was worth re-checking |
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Oak |
magnuse |
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Oak |
\o/ |
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tcohen |
hi Oak |
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Oak |
hello tcohen ! |
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reiveune1 |
bye |
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tcohen |
jajm++ |
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tcohen |
jajm: i cannot figure how to translate the rewrite rules into the reverseproxy+psgi combo |
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tcohen |
any Plack gurus here? |
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tcohen |
or better, anyone here? |
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tcohen |
ashimema: around? |
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bag |
heya tcohen |
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Joubu |
tcohen: ? |
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bye #koha |
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waves |
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tcohen |
hi bag} |
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tcohen |
bag} |
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tcohen |
bag |
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tcohen |
heh, issues with the keyboard |
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tcohen |
i need a Plack expert |
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tcohen |
anyone? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) |
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tcohen |
plack and/or mojolicious |
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bye #koha |
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* magnuse |
sets up another free koha instance for personal use |
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tmcmahon |
I filed a bug last week about a problem I was having with keyboard shortcuts after my database was loaded into a new system. |
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tmcmahon |
Today I found out what was causing it (but not why, of course). |
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tmcmahon |
Do I edit the title and contents of the current bug or fill out a new one? |
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tmcmahon |
and if I fill out a new one, what do I do about the old one? |
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tmcmahon |
The current one is http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14860 |
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huginn |
Bug 14860: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Keyboard shortcuts not functioning correctly after loading database. |
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Doorook |
Hi |
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wahanui |
niihau, Doorook |
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Doorook |
yes ? |
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Doorook |
ohhh, niihau ! :) |
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Doorook |
xiexie |
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pianohacker |
Doorook: wahanui is a chatbot :) |
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pianohacker |
I am not, though. Hi! |
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Doorook |
Could someone explain me why I can't see any document in koha opac's catalog unless if this one is in a list ? |
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Doorook |
haha, ty for the tips pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
Doorook: could I ask for a bit more information? Catalog searching doesn't work? |
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Doorook |
Yes |
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Doorook |
To explain where I am : I scanned some ISBN and made a test .mrc with 10ish documents |
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Doorook |
Then I imported the .mrc, so I have the notices in the "reservoir" |
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Doorook |
and then I managed them via the import tool |
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pianohacker |
Doorook: did you install from packages? |
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Doorook |
but still, I have to say KOHA that I have an "exemplaire" of all the documents one by one and even then they are not listed in KOHA opac unless if they are on the public list I created |
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Doorook |
(my apologizes for the English and specific Vocab, i'm not a native english speaker) |
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pianohacker |
no worries, we get you :) |
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Doorook |
It's a live-CD I tweaked. |
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Doorook |
but everything else seems to work |
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pianohacker |
ah, kk |
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pianohacker |
have you rebuilt the search indices (zebra)? |
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Doorook |
there's no problem with zebra either since I can see the documents listed. (but still I did actualise it) |
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Doorook |
Yep |
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Doorook |
with koha-rebuild-zebra -b -v -f library |
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pianohacker |
and no errors? |
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Doorook |
and it returns that it exported the good number of documents |
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* Francesca |
waves |
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pianohacker |
Is the zebra daemon running? |
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Doorook |
I think so |
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Doorook |
... :p |
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Doorook |
the output of : ps ax|grep zebra |
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Doorook |
1121 ? S 0:00 daemon --name=library-koha-zebra --errlog=/var/log/koha/library/zebra-error.log --stdout=/var/log/koha/library/zebra.log --output=/var/log/koha/library/zebra-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=libr |
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pianohacker |
is that the only output? That's the script that starts zebra but not zebra itself |
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cait |
Doorook: does the intranet search work? |
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cait |
i mean, is there a difference between opac and intranet? |
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Doorook |
sry |
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Doorook |
hmmm, what do you call the intranet search ? I can access to the online catalog, but it tells me that there are no result found |
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Doorook |
unless if I go in the specific list "Publique" which contains the document I added manually (list and examplary) |
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pianohacker |
Doorook: please run ps ax | grep zebrasrv |
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Doorook |
pianohacker: |
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Doorook |
1122 ? S 0:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml 3332 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto zebrasrv |
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Doorook |
So it does run |
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pianohacker |
Doorook: try stopping it and starting it again |
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Doorook |
koha-restart-zebra library return no error and it's still the same |
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Doorook |
cait pianohacker : any other idea than checking zebra ? |
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Doorook |
sry to bother you like that, but I have the impression that I'm turning in circle and I'd really like to make it work |
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cait |
the intranet would be the interface for the librarians - where you catalog |
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cait |
an idea would be to check the OpacSuppression system preference |
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cait |
if only the opac was affected |
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cait |
theproblem is that with a live dvd we don't know exactly how this is set up - it makes helping somewhat harder |
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Doorook |
hmmm, I have the code to access sql and all the setting |
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Doorook |
for the intranet, I can access it normally, no restriction |
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Doorook |
i'll take a look for Opacsuppression |
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Doorook |
it's set to "show" |
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tcohen1 |
hi |
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Doorook |
hi |
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wahanui |
privet, Doorook |
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cait |
hm if 'show' - it_s probably something else sorry |
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cait |
hi tcohen |
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pianohacker |
sigh... longoverdue.pl "this script is not intended to have a long lifetime" |
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pianohacker |
^ introduced in a commit from 2008 |
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cait |
i know |
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cait |
pianohacker: keep in mind we are getting better |
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pianohacker |
I know :) |
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wnickc |
hi and bye all! |
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wizzyrea |
longoverdue |
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wizzyrea |
it is sighworthy |
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tcohen1 |
hi cait |
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pianohacker |
Doorook: yes, once you've followed http://manual.koha-community.o[…]arceditexcel.html , you should see the records in Koha |
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pianohacker |
though note that that's a very old version of the manual |
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wizzyrea |
why the 3.2 ... yeah |
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wizzyrea |
you can just swap out the version. |
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Doorook |
i'm running the 3.12 now |
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tcohen1 |
3.12 was awesome |
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Doorook |
what's the difference with the actual one ? tcohen1 |
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tcohen1 |
course reserves |
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wahanui |
well, course reserves is definitely something others have been interested in |
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tcohen1 |
Doorook: check http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/ |
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tcohen1 |
replace 14 for: 16, 18 and 20 |
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tcohen1 |
to have an idea ;-) |
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tcohen1 |
bye |
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wizzyrea |
what is the word, it begins with d I think, that means "accented characters" |
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wizzyrea |
I simply cannot call this up, and I know I know it. |
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wizzyrea |
diacritic! |
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eythian |
hi |
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wahanui |
que tal, eythian |
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wizzyrea |
I'm... not sure how to advise someone to upgrade from koha 3.01 |
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wizzyrea |
(also, I answered that guy but I forgot to send it to the list) |
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wizzyrea |
or just failed at email. |
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wizzyrea |
if anyone has advice for him on upgrading 3.01, please feel free to chuck your pennies in. |
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eythian |
I don't actually see that email |
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eythian |
oh |
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eythian |
what's odd there is his other email claims to have 3.20 |
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eythian |
ah, different servers too |
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eythian |
looks like he's got an old one and a new one |
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