Time Nick Message 00:00 Doorook I guess that with the "Staged MARC Record Management" you import the documents once and for good. There is even a checkbox saying to "add the item" to the catalog each time during the process 00:01 Doorook Ty again. 00:10 wizzyrea is your zebra running? 00:10 wizzyrea sudo koha-start-zebra instancename (whatever yours is) 00:10 jcamins wizzyrea: that sounds like a prank call. 00:11 wizzyrea totally is. 00:13 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#Is_your_zebra_running.3F <-- happy, jcamins? 00:15 Francesca hahahahaha 00:15 wahanui i guess hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? 01:41 dcook @karma 01:41 huginn dcook: Highest karma: "cait" (261), "Joubu" (220), and "tcohen" (202). Lowest karma: "ie" (-26), "<-" (-19), and "-" (-17). You (dcook) are ranked 15 out of 476. 01:44 eythian dcook: did you determine if you're going to OSDC? 01:44 dcook Oh, I thought the grapevine would've reached you 01:44 dcook Bought the ticket the other day, and just booked the hotel/flight this morning 01:44 dcook :D 01:44 eythian cool 01:44 dcook Made sure to make your talk too 01:45 eythian I just got that all confirmed yesterday/today too 01:45 dcook Taking the later longer flight as a result :p 01:45 eythian which flight? 01:45 eythian I need to book my sydney related bits 01:45 dcook Ahh 01:45 dcook It's the 6:10 with a layover in Melbourne 01:45 dcook Short layover 01:46 eythian the arrive at 9:25 one? 01:47 dcook Mmm the 9:55 one I think 01:47 dcook It was cheaper and only slightly longer 01:47 eythian ah yep 01:47 eythian I might grab that one too 01:47 dcook :) 01:48 dcook Seemed like the best bet 01:52 eythian Hobart Terminal D Fri, 30 Oct 2015 06:10 p.m. 01:52 eythian Sydney SYD Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:55 p.m. 01:52 eythian booked in :) 01:53 eythian now to find a place to stay 01:53 eythian any recommendations on area? 01:53 dcook Sweet :) 01:53 dcook Hmm, I'm not sure. How long are you here for? 01:54 eythian leave lateish on the Sunday 01:54 dcook What do you hope to do while you're here? 01:54 wahanui here are some comments on it, problems we found: mailto:http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg00855.html 01:54 eythian dcook: wait 01:54 dcook ? 01:54 eythian did I get my days wrong? 01:54 dcook Wait... 01:54 dcook Yes 01:54 dcook Yes you did 01:54 eythian bugger 01:55 eythian lets fix that now 01:55 dcook Probably a good idea 01:55 dcook Or you'll miss the gig as well 01:55 * dcook is glad that you noticed the dates 01:55 eythian yeah 01:57 eythian I was intending to go during the day on the friday 01:57 eythian I forgot that bit 01:58 dcook Ahh that makes sense 01:58 dcook I had wondered a bit about that 01:58 dcook I'll be working on Friday, so I figured I'd get back on Thursday so I could have the full day back 02:02 dcook That feeling when you're sure you had a great query sitting around a while ago for diagnosing a problem and now you have no idea what it was.. 02:03 dcook Bib records linked to the wrong authorities... 02:04 dcook Suppose this might be a job for link_bibs_to_authorities.pl... 02:06 eythian their change booking form was confusing until I realised that it was just putting details into a form to be dealt with by a person 02:06 dcook Ahh, that does sound confusing 02:06 dcook I've found them quite good on the phone 02:07 dcook When I had to cancel last year's flights, they were very understanding 02:07 eythian webjet? 02:07 dcook Ah, not webjet 02:07 eythian was going to say, $50 per person to do stuff via the phone 02:07 * dcook went direct through virgin 02:07 dcook *sadface* 02:08 dcook That sucks 02:08 eythian but no fee to do it through the website 02:08 dcook \o/ 02:08 dcook As for Sydney, I figure areas depend on what you want to do 02:08 dcook I only stayed here once as a visitor but I wouldn't recommend where I stayed.. 02:09 dcook Mmm keep in mind that the bus system is changing here dramatically in the next few weeks 02:09 dcook I think the CBD is a bit overpriced, but anywhere on a transit line is probably good 02:10 dcook I think there's one place by Hyde Park which is surprisingly affordable but I don't know the name off the top of my head 02:11 wizzyrea is your work not paying for any of your trip to osdc? 02:11 eythian wizzyrea: the sydney part of it is my own trip 02:11 wizzyrea I meant dcook :) 02:11 eythian oh 02:11 wizzyrea but you too :D 02:12 dcook Hmm? 02:12 eythian dcook: is hyde park a convenient location to get to places? 02:12 dcook eythian: Hells yes 02:13 dcook There's a few train stations around there and a fair number of buses... and I think there are going to be more buses routed through there when you're here 02:13 eythian dcook: was the "Y Hotel" the cheap one you're thinking of? 02:13 dcook Also walkable to lots of places around the CBD 02:13 dcook No clue, unfortunately :( 02:13 dcook I just have a former instructor who always stays at the same place 02:14 dcook I might check my email to see if she mentioned it 02:14 eythian it's $300 where others are more like $600-$1000 02:14 dcook Hmm no clue 02:14 wizzyrea ...jesus 02:14 dcook Yeah, most around there are crazy 02:14 dcook Hmm I don't think it's that one but maybe 02:15 dcook Other areas... 02:15 dcook I'm not sure what the options are like in the Inner West as I think that's mostly residential.. 02:15 * dcook will have a quick look 02:16 dcook Newtown would be all right 02:17 eythian I already live in Newtown. 02:17 dcook Hmm maybe not so convenient then :p 02:17 dcook Camperdown is ok for bus/car connections but not so great for trains 02:17 dcook I probably wouldn't go west of Camperdown or Newtown.. 02:17 dcook Just for closeness 02:18 eythian I hate making these sorts of decisions, I'm going to go for this fairly cheap hyde park one. 02:18 dcook Hyde Park is a great location 02:18 dcook You'd be able to walk to/from the Metro on Friday as well 02:18 wizzyrea I love to travel. I hate to plan travel. 02:18 eythian (which does get a little more expensive when I decide I don't want a shared bathroom, but still on the cheaper end of the scale.) 02:18 eythian that'd be good 02:19 dcook What's the $300 for? 02:19 dcook Total or night? 02:19 eythian total, two nights 02:19 dcook Ahh two nights 02:19 dcook Maybe I put int he same thing.. 02:19 eythian friday and saturday 02:19 dcook Righto 02:19 dcook $300 seems pretty good 02:19 dcook In fact, damn good 02:20 eythian $418 when I get my own bathroom, but that's still on the good side 02:20 dcook Yeah, that's still pretty good 02:20 dcook Well, from what I'm seeing at least 02:20 dcook There are cheaper options but they seem farther out 02:20 wizzyrea is that total or per night? 02:20 eythian <dcook> Total or night? 02:20 eythian <eythian> total, two nights 02:20 wizzyrea sorry sorry >.< 02:21 * wizzyrea has too many inputs 02:22 wizzyrea isn't really an excuse, sorry :( 02:23 dcook eythian, I'm keen to hear how that stay goes. That seems to be one of the best bets in Sydney.. 02:24 * dcook is trying to remember how much he paid for an AirBnB last time he was in Melbourne.. 02:28 eythian http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ 02:30 cdickinson the website looks so appropriate 02:32 eythian oh yeah, need to finish renewing my passport 02:32 eythian gah so many things 02:32 dcook All the things! 02:32 dcook I'm hoping that I can just use my driver's licence 02:32 * dcook doesn't like taking his passport to all the places... except for the nice stamps 02:32 eythian I can't really do that :) 02:32 eythian I don't get stamps for Australia 02:33 dcook Really? Hmm 02:33 dcook They're not very exciting anyway 02:33 eythian but my current one is getting close to expiry 02:33 * dcook prefers the Dublin stamps 02:33 dcook Nice big and green :D 02:40 wizzyrea dcook: I don't know why you'd need your passport for travel w/in AU 02:41 wizzyrea I feel so spoiled because I don't even have to show ID to get on a domestic flight here. 02:41 wizzyrea I just have to have a boarding pass and it is luxury, I tell you. 02:41 wizzyrea oh, and the boarding pass can be my phone. 02:41 cdickinson <wizzyrea> dcook: I don't know why you'd need your passport for travel w/in AU <-- this is the stupidest thing I've heard all dayu 02:42 cdickinson day* 02:42 wizzyrea you mean needing a passport for domestic flying? 02:44 cdickinson yeah 02:45 cdickinson it's not like there is much risk getting on an international flight without a passport anyway 02:45 wizzyrea you have to have some sort of ID to board a plane in the US, to the point they won't let you to the gate without one. 02:45 cdickinson "might as well be a passport", right? 02:45 wizzyrea it is, in fact, very daft. 02:45 wizzyrea ikr. 02:46 cdickinson the passport is easily the most expensive form of ID I can think of 02:46 ibeardslee is it? After spending $$ on driving lessons etc, I'm not so sure 02:46 wizzyrea heh yeah. Well poor people don't travel, dontyaknow 02:47 cdickinson ibeardslee: here in NZ, a passport is something like $150, an NZ Learner driver's license doesn't require lessons and costs something like $90 and you need to pass a test 02:47 cdickinson actually, might be a little bit more, but it's still less than a passport 02:47 cdickinson but still, get a $30 18+ card and you're away 02:47 eythian $150? 02:48 cdickinson it was last time I got a passport 02:48 cdickinson admittedly, mine is now expired... 02:48 eythian ah 02:48 eythian so it is 02:48 eythian cheaper than I remember 02:48 cdickinson the 5 year passports we have here are dumb, makes them even more expensive 02:48 cdickinson my driver's license lasts longer 02:48 ibeardslee 5 years still? rather than the older (and coming back) more expensive 10 years 02:49 cdickinson they're coming back, but all the people that had to buy 5 year passports, I feel for them 02:50 cdickinson not that I'm going to be going overseas for a while 03:21 tcohen hey 03:23 tcohen @later tell rangi please ping me about the s-bug 03:23 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 03:24 cdickinson when is rangi coming back from overseas? 03:24 tcohen dcook: ? 03:24 northcottc End of October, I believe. 03:25 cdickinson ah, okay 03:25 dac Hmm? 03:25 dac Sorry, I got distracted by other things 03:26 northcottc tcohen: 12 October is the date I have. 03:26 dcook wizzyrea: Back in Canada you have to have photo ID to travel and I only recently got a Aussie driver's licence. Not sure if they would've accepted my old licence in the past so I used to use a passport 03:27 tcohen thanks northcottc 03:27 tcohen hi dcook 03:27 dcook heya tcohen :) 03:28 tcohen so someone liked my patch heh 03:28 wizzyrea tcohen: I've got the dbix stuff all sorted out I think 03:28 tcohen oh, it is passed! 03:28 wizzyrea thank you for the advice :) 03:28 tcohen wizzyrea: I'm looking at it 03:29 wizzyrea \o/ ty 03:29 dcook I recall liking a patch this morning but I can't remember why.. 03:29 dcook Oh right! 03:29 dcook Private notes! 03:29 wizzyrea I really need "like" on bugzilla. 03:29 dcook hehe 03:29 wizzyrea it feels like a thing that allows the least possible amount of interaction. 03:29 wizzyrea while still saying something. 03:29 * dcook likes that 03:29 dcook ;) 03:29 wizzyrea :) 03:29 dcook ! 03:38 dcook Yikes... looks like someone on AWS was trying to break into one of our servers.. 03:38 wizzyrea typical. 03:38 dcook I think I've heard stories about people getting cheap time on AWS to launch attacks? 03:38 wizzyrea yeah, I've read about that tool; 03:38 wizzyrea too* 03:39 wizzyrea I am having serious trouble with the last bits of words today. 03:39 dcook That's no fu 03:39 dcook ;) 03:39 * dcook really needs to eat lunch 03:39 tcohen night #koha 03:40 dcook night tcohen! 04:09 * eythian no longer has a passport 04:09 wizzyrea ! 04:09 wizzyrea oh you had to send your old one 04:09 eythian hopefully the new one shows up in the expected time frame 04:09 eythian no, it's just effectively disabled apparently 04:09 wizzyrea I don't think there's anything worse than having your right to travel infringed. 04:09 eythian (i.e. they say "don't use it") 04:10 wizzyrea at least, not for people who are used to doing it 04:10 eythian yeah. new one should be here in a week or two, and I have a window of about 6 before I need it. 04:10 dcook You'll be right! 04:10 wizzyrea ^ 04:10 dcook Hmm... 04:10 wizzyrea she'll be right, maybe? 04:10 wizzyrea or something. 04:10 wahanui something is sketchy 04:11 dcook I think both work 04:11 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Zebra is fun..." (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/75 04:12 dcook Hmm, I'm missing something.. 04:12 eythian is it doing "terrorism", "and", "crime"? 04:12 eythian with an or between them? 04:12 dcook That's the guess, but that doesn't make sense with the Zebar output 04:12 dcook SearchResult-1: term=terrorism cnt=580, term=crime cnt=29841 04:12 dcook If it were using "and", it would show up as a temr 04:12 eythian oh 04:12 eythian true 04:12 dcook The count of "crime" is different between the two queries 04:12 dcook So I'm thinking it's taking proximity into account 04:13 dcook Although even then.. 04:13 dcook Oh yes let's see.. 04:13 dcook Yeah, I think that has to be it 04:13 dcook As the latter gets one hit 04:13 dcook The terrorism-crime continuum 04:14 dcook The CCL2RPN must take that into account.. 04:14 dcook Something interesting is still happening.. 04:15 dcook ti,wrdl=terrorism crime will get 11964 cnt for crime.. 04:15 wizzyrea something interesting? 04:15 wahanui hmmm... something interesting is still happening.. 04:15 wizzyrea excellent. 04:15 dcook while ti=terrorism and crime gets 29841 for crime 04:15 dcook wrdl should be making it do an implicit and.. 04:15 * dcook is going to switch to rpn to see.. 04:16 dcook eythian: It might be worthwhile adding "set_cclfile" and "querytype" to your Zebra tips 04:16 dcook querytype ccl2rpn 04:16 dcook Gah.. 04:16 eythian can you? I'd probably put it in the wrong place because I don't really know what it is. 04:16 dcook set_cclfile /path/to/ccl.properties 04:16 dcook Sure thing. What's the URL again? 04:18 dcook http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra 04:18 dcook ? 04:18 eythian yeah 04:18 dcook Cool. Yeah, I'll add it there 04:18 dcook Handy for using your Koha's ccl.properties :D 04:19 dcook Oh... interesting.. 04:19 wahanui interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad 04:20 dcook It looks like I was right about that wrdl 04:20 dcook f @and @attr 1=Title terrorism @attr 1=Title crime returns the same thing as f ti,wrdl=terrorism crime 04:21 dcook f ti="terrorism and crime" will search "and" as well... 04:21 dcook SearchResult-1: term=terrorism cnt=580, term=and cnt=41970, term=crime cnt=11964 04:26 dcook Yeah it has to be adding proximity in there.. 04:29 * dcook tries to remember the original question 04:31 dcook Mm "terrorism and crime" isn't really "terrorism" and "crime"... 04:31 dcook It's getting more results than it should.. 04:36 dcook Oooo 04:37 dcook I think I may have cracked it 04:37 * dcook does a little dance 04:37 dcook It's so obvious in the end 04:37 dcook If you think about it from a grammar perspective rather than a crazy Koha perspective 04:37 dcook ti=terrorism and crime 04:37 dcook Is not the same as 04:38 dcook ti=terrorism and ti=crime 04:38 dcook ti=terrorism and crime is actually... ti=terrorism and kw=crime 04:38 * dcook does a little dance again 04:39 dcook Ohh it even works in Koha 04:39 dcook ti:terrorism and ti:crime 04:44 eythian ah 04:44 eythian that makes sense 04:44 eythian hi cait 04:44 dcook I know, right? 04:44 dcook So obvious when you think about it 04:44 eythian cait: up early for more beer, is it? 04:44 dcook One reason why elliptical expressions suuuuuck 04:44 dcook beer! 04:45 eythian It's Oktoberfest there, after all. 04:45 eythian In september. 04:45 dcook I thought I saw something about there being a lot of beer in Konstanz at the moment 04:46 dcook I've heard stories of people drinking remarkably amounts of beer at Oktoberfest 04:46 dcook I always wondered if it meant the beer was watered down, or if it was actually just so good that you couldn't put it down 04:46 eythian I think they probably just get drunk 04:47 cait believe me - I would have liked to sleep longer :) 04:47 cait and nope no beer for me still 04:47 eythian still hungover from yesterday? 04:47 eythian you know the way to deal with that is more beer. 04:47 dojobo re: oktoberfest, i have heard that the waitresses will switch people to non-alcoholic beer without telling them 04:48 dojobo basically to cut them off 04:48 eythian heh, that's a good idea 04:48 dojobo they serve it by the liter 04:48 dojobo i'm going to munich this friday so i'll probably check out the fest 04:49 dcook hehe 04:49 dcook Non-alcoholic beer is actually pretty cheap 04:49 dcook Bought some recently so my wife could enjoy the taste even though she can't have alcohol at the moment 04:50 dcook Still tasted like beer :p 04:50 dojobo if she's pregnant, congrats 04:50 dcook thanks :) 04:51 dcook eythian: Now I'm getting ads for the Y Hotel :p 04:51 eythian haha 04:51 cait dcook: when is the date? 04:51 dcook cait: Mmm early/mid March 04:51 dcook So still a ways to go yet 04:51 dcook They're pretty big now though. I think last week they were the size of an avocado 04:52 dcook Not sure how big now.. 04:52 cait they? 04:52 wahanui they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) 04:52 dcook Ah, I mean it in a gender neutral way 04:52 cait ah 04:53 dcook Good ol' English :) 04:53 cait now i am slightly disappointed ;) 04:53 dcook :p 04:53 dcook I think I can only handle one at a time 04:53 dcook It's hard enough having two cats at the same time.. 04:54 * dcook doesn't know how he's going to cope with 2 fur babies and one furless baby 04:54 cait i've heard the furless ones can be real trouble 04:54 dcook That's what I hear as well 04:54 dcook But I hear that when they reach about 15 years old, they get useful for manual labour 04:55 * dcook is looking forward to having someone else that can help him carry heavy stuff 04:55 dcook Also, they can fetch beer when they turn 18 04:55 * dcook thinks his priorities are pretty straight here 04:58 cait have to go... giving a presentation later today 04:58 cait wish me luck :) 04:59 dcook good luck! 04:59 dojobo Viel Glück 04:59 dcook What they said! 04:59 eythian g'luck :) 04:59 * dcook doesn't know the gender of dojobo so thought a gender neutral singular they would make sense 04:59 dcook Bonne chance! 04:59 dojobo :) male 04:59 eythian oh, I need to start thinking about my OSDC talk I guess. 04:59 dcook Bah! 04:59 dcook That's... oh wait 04:59 dcook I was going to say "that's quitter talk" 04:59 dcook But it didn't quite make sense 04:59 eythian no 05:00 eythian no it didn't 05:00 dcook :( 05:00 dcook If it helps, reading http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-rpn.html helps 05:00 cait slides? 05:00 wahanui Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! 05:00 dcook turns out that "phrase" is the default structure attribute 05:00 eythian slides? 05:00 wahanui Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! 05:00 eythian slides? 05:00 wahanui Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! 05:00 eythian hrm 05:00 eythian literal slides 05:00 wahanui eythian: slides =is= <reply> Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any! 05:00 cait :P 05:00 dcook Hence ti="terrorism crime" would be a phrase search because of the use of default values 05:01 eythian slides? 05:01 wahanui get back to writing them, cait! 05:01 cait gah. 05:01 cait bye :) 05:01 eythian later :) 05:03 dcook Maybe I should re-write some of the manual regarding CCL and Zebra searching... 05:17 * dcook thinks #koha is one of the reasons he enjoys his job so much 05:17 dcook You're rad folks, and helping each other and commenting together and stuff and things is nice 05:17 * dcook nods 05:18 dcook Hmm querytype is already in the wiki... 05:18 * dcook wonders who added that 05:19 dcook Ahh it looks like it was magnuse 05:19 dcook magnuse++ 05:19 dcook Hmm or maybe not.. 05:19 dcook Oh well. Keep the karma! 05:40 dcook Hmm my bad... I don't think it defaults to "kw" 05:40 dcook I think it defaults to "term" 05:41 eythian what is term to zebra? 05:41 dcook term t=l,r s=al 05:41 dcook t=l means left-truncated, s=al means each token in term is ANDed 05:41 eythian I'm kinda thinking of ES where term is a type of search you do on a field. 05:42 dcook type of search? 05:43 eythian well, "run spot run" becomes terms "run", "spot", "run" and so a term search will look for those individual words. 05:43 eythian roughly 05:43 dcook I'm thinking ",r" doesn't do anything.. 05:43 dcook Hmm 05:43 eythian it's somewhat of an intersection between how you index and how you search. 05:43 dcook What's the operation between them? 05:43 eythian default or I think 05:43 dcook ? 05:43 eythian but you can change that 05:44 dcook So "run spot run" gets tokenized into "run", "spot", "run", yeah? 05:44 eythian yeah 05:44 dcook Then the default will be "AND" or "OR"? 05:44 eythian yep 05:44 dcook Cool. At the moment, I think the default in Koha is kw,wrdl so ... 05:44 eythian actually, I'm over simplifying 05:44 dcook kw,wrdl="run spot run" would do a keyword search for each term and and them together 05:44 dcook and AND* 05:45 eythian but if you did a term search for "spot" it'd return that record. 05:45 dcook Hmm maybe I don't follow 05:45 eythian you can't do a term search for "run spot" 05:45 eythian but you can do an AND of "term: title: "run"" and "term: title: "spot"" 05:46 dcook Hmm, so "term" would be like "word" I guess? 05:46 eythian (I'm not using this part of the API anyway though, except for authority searches.) 05:46 eythian typically yes 05:46 dcook A term being a single atomic term 05:46 eythian yeah, and you're looking for exact matches of them in ES-land 05:47 eythian a match query would let you do "run spot", it would tokenise it, and then use the results as terms. 05:47 eythian (again, roughly) 05:48 dcook Sounds a lot like the word list with Zebra 05:48 dcook Although I think a word list can only AND in Zebra.. 05:48 eythian but, you kinda need to index things twice to make that work, but that can be done automatically. 05:48 dcook Yeah? 05:48 eythian https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/query-dsl-term-query.html <-- "should" is like saying "or" 05:48 eythian (and "must" is like saying "and") 05:49 dcook Wouldn't it tokenize "run spot" into "run" and "spot" do a search for "run" do a search for "spot" and then and them together? 05:49 dcook interesting 05:49 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 05:50 dcook Ohhh I think I follow 05:50 dcook Well.. maybe 05:50 eythian the best way to use ES really is to parse your search into a tree and then build an ES query out of that. 05:50 eythian which I'm not doing 05:50 dcook Unfortunately :( 05:50 dcook Yeah, I think the best way to use Zebra would be to parse the search into a tree and then build a PQF/RPN query out of it 05:51 eythian I'm using the function that lets you specify a lucene-style query instead 05:51 eythian as that pushes a lot of intelligence through to ES rather than me doing it myself. 05:51 dcook True that 05:51 dcook I suppose that would ignore a lot of system preferences, but that's not necessarily a bad thing 05:52 dcook Unless you make up for that 05:52 eythian oh, I can account for that 05:52 eythian I preparse the query myself 05:52 eythian which is ugly, but mostly works 05:52 eythian (using regexes etc, not doing it properly.) 05:53 dcook I know we've had this conversation before 05:53 dcook It's tough without there being a parser there for Zebra too 05:53 eythian yeah 05:54 dcook If I had all the time and money... 05:54 eythian what we need is some sort of thing that takes what the user types and turns it into a data structure that accounts for system preferences that describes what they really want :) 05:54 eythian then that can be translated into anything. 05:54 eythian some sort of ... query parser or something :) 05:54 dcook hehe 05:54 dcook That would be rad 05:55 dcook I feel like the query parser was so close... 05:55 eythian it'd be an interesting little project for an intern... 05:56 dcook That's true. It needs someone who can focus entirely on it. 05:58 eythian when I was at uni, doing a group assignment which was to build a man page searcher, one of the people (who happened to have a maths degree also) did pretty much nothing. Then one time when we were stuck, he sat down overnight and in the morning had built us a complete query parser. 05:59 dcook O_O 05:59 dcook Ain't that always the way? 05:59 dcook Well... sometimes the way 05:59 eythian certainly sometimes the way :) 06:03 eythian I should go, have a book launch to go to. 06:03 eythian later 06:04 dcook ta 06:04 eythian you're...welcome? 06:05 dcook I was going to say ta ta, but then I decided halfway through that I didn't want to say that and just hit enter :p 06:05 dcook later :p 06:26 * magnuse waves 06:49 reiveune hello 06:49 wahanui salut, reiveune 06:59 alex_a bonjour 07:05 dcook magnuse: I noticed you gave a bit of love to Troubleshooting Zebra 07:05 dcook I just created a new section: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#Default_values_when_using_CCL 07:05 Joubu hi 07:05 wahanui privet, Joubu 07:05 dcook Need to head off for the day, but might be worth looking at :) 07:10 magnuse dcook++ 07:10 Joubu @later tell pianohacker Didn't you know someone else using B&T? 07:10 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 07:10 dcook magnuse: It took a bit of time to figure all that out, but super pleased with myself, haha 07:10 dcook Actually, the hardest part was finding evidence to prove my theories 07:16 dcook Anywho, night all 11:14 magnuse it's oh so quiet... 11:30 putti magnuse, hello! :) 11:30 magnuse hiya putti 11:33 putti magnuse, how koha/serials/serials-collection.pl -> "edit serials" should work? If one has already marked an issue received and then goes to edit it: changes status to something else like missing, but then changes it back to arrived there comes the item modification thingie.. should that come? 11:40 putti I think one should only be able to change the status not any information of the item. 11:44 magnuse putti: i am not sure, i'm not very familiar with the serials stuff 11:44 putti magnuse, okay, np. 12:20 Viktor We're discussing how to implement protection av MARC-fields per source/user class. 12:21 jcamins Viktor: 1) get rid of MARC 2) celebrate 3) profit 12:21 Viktor Is there more places doing import than Z39.50, staging for import. Shellscripts? 12:21 Viktor jcamins Sound good. I like Science fiction :) 12:22 jcamins Viktor: me too. 12:24 Viktor Wondering if everything uses the same code and we can just insert the field-protection into a single field. 12:24 Viktor Or if we have to hunt around all sorts of places. 12:25 magnuse Viktor: the bulkmarcimport.pl script 12:25 magnuse ? 12:25 magnuse and the svc api (or maybe not, i am not sure) 12:26 Viktor Thanks magnuse 12:26 magnuse but everything *should* use ModBiblio AddBiblio etc 12:27 Viktor Great news. If they all use ModBibliot AddBiblio then we should attack those for a single point (of success:) 12:27 Viktor Would it be best to do "per framework" or "systemwide" do you think? 12:28 Viktor We are thinking for case 1 just to throw unwanted fields silently. 12:28 magnuse my gut feeling says systemwide 12:28 Viktor Good. 12:29 Viktor Combined with the history patch xarragon did it could be useful when syncing with national catalogues etc. 12:29 Viktor Or letting cataloguers change all fields and regular librarians some fields. 12:34 Viktor Does ModBiblio and AddBiblio have any idea right now of who is using them? 12:35 Viktor Only record och framework it seems. 12:37 Viktor So we would have to add _what_ source is using the script so we can handle differences between what source A, B, C is allowed to overwrite. 13:13 tcohen morning 13:14 tcohen Joubu: http://snag.gy/knIep.jpg <--- Jessie 13:17 Joubu tcohen: well, just reinserted my DB for tests and it passes! Sorry about that 13:26 magnuse Oak 13:26 tcohen Joubu: no worries, it was worth re-checking 13:28 Oak magnuse 13:29 Oak \o/ 13:29 tcohen hi Oak 13:29 Oak hello tcohen ! 15:01 reiveune1 bye 15:07 tcohen jajm++ 15:25 tcohen jajm: i cannot figure how to translate the rewrite rules into the reverseproxy+psgi combo 15:26 tcohen any Plack gurus here? 15:27 tcohen or better, anyone here? 15:55 tcohen ashimema: around? 15:58 bag heya tcohen 16:15 Joubu tcohen: ? 16:16 pianohacker . 17:03 Joubu bye #koha 17:13 * magnuse waves 17:30 tcohen hi bag} 17:30 tcohen bag} 17:30 tcohen bag 17:30 tcohen heh, issues with the keyboard 17:30 tcohen i need a Plack expert 17:30 tcohen anyone? 17:30 wahanui hmmm... anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) 17:31 tcohen plack and/or mojolicious 17:41 mveron bye #koha 18:10 * magnuse sets up another free koha instance for personal use 20:12 tmcmahon I filed a bug last week about a problem I was having with keyboard shortcuts after my database was loaded into a new system. 20:13 tmcmahon Today I found out what was causing it (but not why, of course). 20:13 tmcmahon Do I edit the title and contents of the current bug or fill out a new one? 20:15 tmcmahon and if I fill out a new one, what do I do about the old one? 20:15 tmcmahon The current one is http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14860 20:15 huginn 04Bug 14860: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Keyboard shortcuts not functioning correctly after loading database. 20:53 Doorook Hi 20:53 wahanui niihau, Doorook 20:53 Doorook yes ? 20:53 Doorook ohhh, niihau ! :) 20:53 Doorook xiexie 20:54 pianohacker Doorook: wahanui is a chatbot :) 20:54 pianohacker I am not, though. Hi! 20:55 Doorook Could someone explain me why I can't see any document in koha opac's catalog unless if this one is in a list ? 20:55 Doorook haha, ty for the tips pianohacker 20:55 pianohacker Doorook: could I ask for a bit more information? Catalog searching doesn't work? 20:55 Doorook Yes 20:56 Doorook To explain where I am : I scanned some ISBN and made a test .mrc with 10ish documents 20:56 Doorook Then I imported the .mrc, so I have the notices in the "reservoir" 20:56 Doorook and then I managed them via the import tool 20:57 pianohacker Doorook: did you install from packages? 20:57 Doorook but still, I have to say KOHA that I have an "exemplaire" of all the documents one by one and even then they are not listed in KOHA opac unless if they are on the public list I created 20:58 Doorook (my apologizes for the English and specific Vocab, i'm not a native english speaker) 20:58 pianohacker no worries, we get you :) 20:58 Doorook It's a live-CD I tweaked. 20:58 Doorook but everything else seems to work 20:58 pianohacker ah, kk 20:59 pianohacker have you rebuilt the search indices (zebra)? 20:59 Doorook there's no problem with zebra either since I can see the documents listed. (but still I did actualise it) 20:59 Doorook Yep 21:00 Doorook with koha-rebuild-zebra -b -v -f library 21:00 pianohacker and no errors? 21:00 Doorook and it returns that it exported the good number of documents 21:01 * Francesca waves 21:01 pianohacker Is the zebra daemon running? 21:02 Doorook I think so 21:02 Doorook ... :p 21:02 Doorook the output of : ps ax|grep zebra 21:02 Doorook 1121 ? S 0:00 daemon --name=library-koha-zebra --errlog=/var/log/koha/library/zebra-error.log --stdout=/var/log/koha/library/zebra.log --output=/var/log/koha/library/zebra-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=libr 21:05 pianohacker is that the only output? That's the script that starts zebra but not zebra itself 21:07 cait Doorook: does the intranet search work? 21:07 cait i mean, is there a difference between opac and intranet? 21:11 Doorook sry 21:12 Doorook hmmm, what do you call the intranet search ? I can access to the online catalog, but it tells me that there are no result found 21:12 Doorook unless if I go in the specific list "Publique" which contains the document I added manually (list and examplary) 21:12 pianohacker Doorook: please run ps ax | grep zebrasrv 21:13 Doorook pianohacker: 21:13 Doorook 1122 ? S 0:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml 3332 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto zebrasrv 21:14 Doorook So it does run 21:14 pianohacker Doorook: try stopping it and starting it again 21:16 Doorook koha-restart-zebra library return no error and it's still the same 21:23 Doorook cait pianohacker : any other idea than checking zebra ? 21:23 Doorook sry to bother you like that, but I have the impression that I'm turning in circle and I'd really like to make it work 21:23 cait the intranet would be the interface for the librarians - where you catalog 21:24 cait an idea would be to check the OpacSuppression system preference 21:24 cait if only the opac was affected 21:24 cait theproblem is that with a live dvd we don't know exactly how this is set up - it makes helping somewhat harder 21:25 Doorook hmmm, I have the code to access sql and all the setting 21:25 Doorook for the intranet, I can access it normally, no restriction 21:25 Doorook i'll take a look for Opacsuppression 21:28 Doorook it's set to "show" 21:30 tcohen1 hi 21:30 Doorook hi 21:30 wahanui privet, Doorook 21:37 cait hm if 'show' - it_s probably something else sorry 21:37 cait hi tcohen 21:38 pianohacker sigh... longoverdue.pl "this script is not intended to have a long lifetime" 21:38 pianohacker ^ introduced in a commit from 2008 21:40 cait i know 21:40 cait pianohacker: keep in mind we are getting better 21:41 pianohacker I know :) 21:41 wnickc hi and bye all! 21:43 wizzyrea longoverdue 21:43 wizzyrea it is sighworthy 21:45 tcohen1 hi cait 21:45 pianohacker Doorook: yes, once you've followed http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/marceditexcel.html , you should see the records in Koha 21:45 pianohacker though note that that's a very old version of the manual 21:46 wizzyrea why the 3.2 ... yeah 21:46 wizzyrea you can just swap out the version. 21:48 Doorook i'm running the 3.12 now 21:51 tcohen1 3.12 was awesome 21:52 Doorook what's the difference with the actual one ? tcohen1 21:52 tcohen1 course reserves 21:52 wahanui well, course reserves is definitely something others have been interested in 21:55 tcohen1 Doorook: check http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/ 21:55 tcohen1 replace 14 for: 16, 18 and 20 21:55 tcohen1 to have an idea ;-) 21:55 tcohen1 bye 22:03 wizzyrea what is the word, it begins with d I think, that means "accented characters" 22:03 wizzyrea I simply cannot call this up, and I know I know it. 22:04 wizzyrea diacritic! 22:18 eythian hi 22:18 wahanui que tal, eythian 23:48 wizzyrea I'm... not sure how to advise someone to upgrade from koha 3.01 23:49 wizzyrea (also, I answered that guy but I forgot to send it to the list) 23:49 wizzyrea or just failed at email. 23:52 wizzyrea if anyone has advice for him on upgrading 3.01, please feel free to chuck your pennies in. 23:56 eythian I don't actually see that email 23:57 eythian oh 23:57 eythian what's odd there is his other email claims to have 3.20 23:57 eythian ah, different servers too 23:57 eythian looks like he's got an old one and a new one