Time  Nick        Message
00:00 Doorook     I guess that with the "Staged MARC Record Management" you import the documents once and for good. There is even a checkbox saying to "add the item" to the catalog each time during the process
00:01 Doorook     Ty again.
00:10 wizzyrea    is your zebra running?
00:10 wizzyrea    sudo koha-start-zebra instancename (whatever yours is)
00:10 jcamins     wizzyrea: that sounds like a prank call.
00:11 wizzyrea    totally is.
00:13 eythian     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#Is_your_zebra_running.3F <-- happy, jcamins?
00:15 Francesca   hahahahaha
00:15 wahanui     i guess hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask?
01:41 dcook       @karma
01:41 huginn      dcook: Highest karma: "cait" (261), "Joubu" (220), and "tcohen" (202).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-26), "<-" (-19), and "-" (-17).  You (dcook) are ranked 15 out of 476.
01:44 eythian     dcook: did you determine if you're going to OSDC?
01:44 dcook       Oh, I thought the grapevine would've reached you
01:44 dcook       Bought the ticket the other day, and just booked the hotel/flight this morning
01:44 dcook       :D
01:44 eythian     cool
01:44 dcook       Made sure to make your talk too
01:45 eythian     I just got that all confirmed yesterday/today too
01:45 dcook       Taking the later longer flight as a result :p
01:45 eythian     which flight?
01:45 eythian     I need to book my sydney related bits
01:45 dcook       Ahh
01:45 dcook       It's the 6:10 with a layover in Melbourne
01:45 dcook       Short layover
01:46 eythian     the arrive at 9:25 one?
01:47 dcook       Mmm the 9:55 one I think
01:47 dcook       It was cheaper and only slightly longer
01:47 eythian     ah yep
01:47 eythian     I might grab that one too
01:47 dcook       :)
01:48 dcook       Seemed like the best bet
01:52 eythian     Hobart Terminal D Fri, 30 Oct 2015 06:10 p.m.
01:52 eythian     Sydney SYD Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:55 p.m.
01:52 eythian     booked in :)
01:53 eythian     now to find a place to stay
01:53 eythian     any recommendations on area?
01:53 dcook       Sweet :)
01:53 dcook       Hmm, I'm not sure. How long are you here for?
01:54 eythian     leave lateish on the Sunday
01:54 dcook       What do you hope to do while you're here?
01:54 wahanui     here are some comments on it, problems we found: mailto:http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg00855.html
01:54 eythian     dcook: wait
01:54 dcook       ?
01:54 eythian     did I get my days wrong?
01:54 dcook       Wait...
01:54 dcook       Yes
01:54 dcook       Yes you did
01:54 eythian     bugger
01:55 eythian     lets fix that now
01:55 dcook       Probably a good idea
01:55 dcook       Or you'll miss the gig as well
01:55 * dcook     is glad that you noticed the dates
01:55 eythian     yeah
01:57 eythian     I was intending to go during the day on the friday
01:57 eythian     I forgot that bit
01:58 dcook       Ahh that makes sense
01:58 dcook       I had wondered a bit about that
01:58 dcook       I'll be working on Friday, so I figured I'd get back on Thursday so I could have the full day back
02:02 dcook       That feeling when you're sure you had a great query sitting around a while ago for diagnosing a problem and now you have no idea what it was..
02:03 dcook       Bib records linked to the wrong authorities...
02:04 dcook       Suppose this might be a job for link_bibs_to_authorities.pl...
02:06 eythian     their change booking form was confusing until I realised that it was just putting details into a form to be dealt with by a person
02:06 dcook       Ahh, that does sound confusing
02:06 dcook       I've found them quite good on the phone
02:07 dcook       When I had to cancel last year's flights, they were very understanding
02:07 eythian     webjet?
02:07 dcook       Ah, not webjet
02:07 eythian     was going to say, $50 per person to do stuff via the phone
02:07 * dcook     went direct through virgin
02:07 dcook       *sadface*
02:08 dcook       That sucks
02:08 eythian     but no fee to do it through the website
02:08 dcook       \o/
02:08 dcook       As for Sydney, I figure areas depend on what you want to do
02:08 dcook       I only stayed here once as a visitor but I wouldn't recommend where I stayed..
02:09 dcook       Mmm keep in mind that the bus system is changing here dramatically in the next few weeks
02:09 dcook       I think the CBD is a bit overpriced, but anywhere on a transit line is probably good
02:10 dcook       I think there's one place by Hyde Park which is surprisingly affordable but I don't know the name off the top of my head
02:11 wizzyrea    is your work not paying for any of your trip to osdc?
02:11 eythian     wizzyrea: the sydney part of it is my own trip
02:11 wizzyrea    I meant dcook :)
02:11 eythian     oh
02:11 wizzyrea    but you too :D
02:12 dcook       Hmm?
02:12 eythian     dcook: is hyde park a convenient location to get to places?
02:12 dcook       eythian: Hells yes
02:13 dcook       There's a few train stations around there and a fair number of buses... and I think there are going to be more buses routed through there when you're here
02:13 eythian     dcook: was the "Y Hotel" the cheap one you're thinking of?
02:13 dcook       Also walkable to lots of places around the CBD
02:13 dcook       No clue, unfortunately :(
02:13 dcook       I just have a former instructor who always stays at the same place
02:14 dcook       I might check my email to see if she mentioned it
02:14 eythian     it's $300 where others are more like $600-$1000
02:14 dcook       Hmm no clue
02:14 wizzyrea    ...jesus
02:14 dcook       Yeah, most around there are crazy
02:14 dcook       Hmm I don't think it's that one but maybe
02:15 dcook       Other areas...
02:15 dcook       I'm not sure what the options are like in the Inner West as I think that's mostly residential..
02:15 * dcook     will have a quick look
02:16 dcook       Newtown would be all right
02:17 eythian     I already live in Newtown.
02:17 dcook       Hmm maybe not so convenient then :p
02:17 dcook       Camperdown is ok for bus/car connections but not so great for trains
02:17 dcook       I probably wouldn't go west of Camperdown or Newtown..
02:17 dcook       Just for closeness
02:18 eythian     I hate making these sorts of decisions, I'm going to go for this fairly cheap hyde park one.
02:18 dcook       Hyde Park is a great location
02:18 dcook       You'd be able to walk to/from the Metro on Friday as well
02:18 wizzyrea    I love to travel. I hate to plan travel.
02:18 eythian     (which does get a little more expensive when I decide I don't want a shared bathroom, but still on the cheaper end of the scale.)
02:18 eythian     that'd be good
02:19 dcook       What's the $300 for?
02:19 dcook       Total or night?
02:19 eythian     total, two nights
02:19 dcook       Ahh two nights
02:19 dcook       Maybe I put int he same thing..
02:19 eythian     friday and saturday
02:19 dcook       Righto
02:19 dcook       $300 seems pretty good
02:19 dcook       In fact, damn good
02:20 eythian     $418 when I get my own bathroom, but that's still on the good side
02:20 dcook       Yeah, that's still pretty good
02:20 dcook       Well, from what I'm seeing at least
02:20 dcook       There are cheaper options but they seem farther out
02:20 wizzyrea    is that total or per night?
02:20 eythian     <dcook> Total or night?
02:20 eythian     <eythian> total, two nights
02:20 wizzyrea    sorry sorry >.<
02:21 * wizzyrea  has too many inputs
02:22 wizzyrea    isn't really an excuse, sorry :(
02:23 dcook       eythian, I'm keen to hear how that stay goes. That seems to be one of the best bets in Sydney..
02:24 * dcook     is trying to remember how much he paid for an AirBnB last time he was in Melbourne..
02:28 eythian     http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/
02:30 cdickinson  the website looks so appropriate
02:32 eythian     oh yeah, need to finish renewing my passport
02:32 eythian     gah so many things
02:32 dcook       All the things!
02:32 dcook       I'm hoping that I can just use my driver's licence
02:32 * dcook     doesn't like taking his passport to all the places... except for the nice stamps
02:32 eythian     I can't really do that :)
02:32 eythian     I don't get stamps for Australia
02:33 dcook       Really? Hmm
02:33 dcook       They're not very exciting anyway
02:33 eythian     but my current one is getting close to expiry
02:33 * dcook     prefers the Dublin stamps
02:33 dcook       Nice big and green :D
02:40 wizzyrea    dcook: I don't know why you'd need your passport for travel w/in AU
02:41 wizzyrea    I feel so spoiled because I don't even have to show ID to get on a domestic flight here.
02:41 wizzyrea    I just have to have a boarding pass and it is luxury, I tell you.
02:41 wizzyrea    oh, and the boarding pass can be my phone.
02:41 cdickinson  <wizzyrea> dcook: I don't know why you'd need your passport for travel w/in AU <-- this is the stupidest thing I've heard all dayu
02:42 cdickinson  day*
02:42 wizzyrea    you mean needing a passport for domestic flying?
02:44 cdickinson  yeah
02:45 cdickinson  it's not like there is much risk getting on an international flight without a passport anyway
02:45 wizzyrea    you have to have some sort of ID to board a plane in the US, to the point they won't let you to the gate without one.
02:45 cdickinson  "might as well be a passport", right?
02:45 wizzyrea    it is, in fact, very daft.
02:45 wizzyrea    ikr.
02:46 cdickinson  the passport is easily the most expensive form of ID I can think of
02:46 ibeardslee  is it?  After spending $$ on driving lessons etc, I'm not so sure
02:46 wizzyrea    heh yeah. Well poor people don't travel, dontyaknow
02:47 cdickinson  ibeardslee: here in NZ, a passport is something like $150, an NZ Learner driver's license doesn't require lessons and costs something like $90 and you need to pass a test
02:47 cdickinson  actually, might be a little bit more, but it's still less than a passport
02:47 cdickinson  but still, get a $30 18+ card and you're away
02:47 eythian     $150?
02:48 cdickinson  it was last time I got a passport
02:48 cdickinson  admittedly, mine is now expired...
02:48 eythian     ah
02:48 eythian     so it is
02:48 eythian     cheaper than I remember
02:48 cdickinson  the 5 year passports we have here are dumb, makes them even more expensive
02:48 cdickinson  my driver's license lasts longer
02:48 ibeardslee  5 years still? rather than the older (and coming back) more expensive 10 years
02:49 cdickinson  they're coming back, but all the people that had to buy 5 year passports, I feel for them
02:50 cdickinson  not that I'm going to be going overseas for a while
03:21 tcohen      hey
03:23 tcohen      @later tell rangi please ping me about the s-bug
03:23 huginn      tcohen: The operation succeeded.
03:24 cdickinson  when is rangi coming back from overseas?
03:24 tcohen      dcook: ?
03:24 northcottc  End of October, I believe.
03:25 cdickinson  ah, okay
03:25 dac         Hmm?
03:25 dac         Sorry, I got distracted by other things
03:26 northcottc  tcohen: 12 October is the date I have.
03:26 dcook       wizzyrea: Back in Canada you have to have photo ID to travel and I only recently got a Aussie driver's licence. Not sure if they would've accepted my old licence in the past so I used to use a passport
03:27 tcohen      thanks northcottc
03:27 tcohen      hi dcook
03:27 dcook       heya tcohen :)
03:28 tcohen      so someone liked my patch heh
03:28 wizzyrea    tcohen: I've got the dbix stuff all sorted out I think
03:28 tcohen      oh, it is passed!
03:28 wizzyrea    thank you for the advice :)
03:28 tcohen      wizzyrea: I'm looking at it
03:29 wizzyrea    \o/ ty
03:29 dcook       I recall liking a patch this morning but I can't remember why..
03:29 dcook       Oh right!
03:29 dcook       Private notes!
03:29 wizzyrea    I really need "like" on bugzilla.
03:29 dcook       hehe
03:29 wizzyrea    it feels like a thing that allows the least possible amount of interaction.
03:29 wizzyrea    while still saying something.
03:29 * dcook     likes that
03:29 dcook       ;)
03:29 wizzyrea    :)
03:29 dcook       !
03:38 dcook       Yikes... looks like someone on AWS was trying to break into one of our servers..
03:38 wizzyrea    typical.
03:38 dcook       I think I've heard stories about people getting cheap time on AWS to launch attacks?
03:38 wizzyrea    yeah, I've read about that tool;
03:38 wizzyrea    too*
03:39 wizzyrea    I am having serious trouble with the last bits of words today.
03:39 dcook       That's no fu
03:39 dcook       ;)
03:39 * dcook     really needs to eat lunch
03:39 tcohen      night #koha
03:40 dcook       night tcohen!
04:09 * eythian   no longer has a passport
04:09 wizzyrea    !
04:09 wizzyrea    oh you had to send your old one
04:09 eythian     hopefully the new one shows up in the expected time frame
04:09 eythian     no, it's just effectively disabled apparently
04:09 wizzyrea    I don't think there's anything worse than having your right to travel infringed.
04:09 eythian     (i.e. they say "don't use it")
04:10 wizzyrea    at least, not for people who are used to doing it
04:10 eythian     yeah. new one should be here in a week or two, and I have a window of about 6 before I need it.
04:10 dcook       You'll be right!
04:10 wizzyrea    ^
04:10 dcook       Hmm...
04:10 wizzyrea    she'll be right, maybe?
04:10 wizzyrea    or something.
04:10 wahanui     something is sketchy
04:11 dcook       I think both work
04:11 pastebot    "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Zebra is fun..." (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/75
04:12 dcook       Hmm, I'm missing something..
04:12 eythian     is it doing "terrorism", "and", "crime"?
04:12 eythian     with an or between them?
04:12 dcook       That's the guess, but that doesn't make sense with the Zebar output
04:12 dcook       SearchResult-1: term=terrorism cnt=580, term=crime cnt=29841
04:12 dcook       If it were using "and", it would show up as a temr
04:12 eythian     oh
04:12 eythian     true
04:12 dcook       The count of "crime" is different between the two queries
04:12 dcook       So I'm thinking it's taking proximity into account
04:13 dcook       Although even then..
04:13 dcook       Oh yes let's see..
04:13 dcook       Yeah, I think that has to be it
04:13 dcook       As the latter gets one hit
04:13 dcook       The terrorism-crime continuum
04:14 dcook       The CCL2RPN must take that into account..
04:14 dcook       Something interesting is still happening..
04:15 dcook       ti,wrdl=terrorism crime will get 11964 cnt for crime..
04:15 wizzyrea    something interesting?
04:15 wahanui     hmmm... something interesting is still happening..
04:15 wizzyrea    excellent.
04:15 dcook       while ti=terrorism and crime gets 29841 for crime
04:15 dcook       wrdl should be making it do an implicit and..
04:15 * dcook     is going to switch to rpn to see..
04:16 dcook       eythian: It might be worthwhile adding "set_cclfile" and "querytype" to your Zebra tips
04:16 dcook       querytype ccl2rpn
04:16 dcook       Gah..
04:16 eythian     can you? I'd probably put it in the wrong place because I don't really know what it is.
04:16 dcook       set_cclfile /path/to/ccl.properties
04:16 dcook       Sure thing. What's the URL again?
04:18 dcook       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra
04:18 dcook       ?
04:18 eythian     yeah
04:18 dcook       Cool. Yeah, I'll add it there
04:18 dcook       Handy for using your Koha's ccl.properties :D
04:19 dcook       Oh... interesting..
04:19 wahanui     interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad
04:20 dcook       It looks like I was right about that wrdl
04:20 dcook       f @and @attr 1=Title terrorism @attr 1=Title crime returns the same thing as f ti,wrdl=terrorism crime
04:21 dcook       f ti="terrorism and crime" will search "and" as well...
04:21 dcook       SearchResult-1: term=terrorism cnt=580, term=and cnt=41970, term=crime cnt=11964
04:26 dcook       Yeah it has to be adding proximity in there..
04:29 * dcook     tries to remember the original question
04:31 dcook       Mm "terrorism and crime" isn't really "terrorism" and "crime"...
04:31 dcook       It's getting more results than it should..
04:36 dcook       Oooo
04:37 dcook       I think I may have cracked it
04:37 * dcook     does a little dance
04:37 dcook       It's so obvious in the end
04:37 dcook       If you think about it from a grammar perspective rather than a crazy Koha perspective
04:37 dcook       ti=terrorism and crime
04:37 dcook       Is not the same as
04:38 dcook       ti=terrorism and ti=crime
04:38 dcook       ti=terrorism and crime is actually... ti=terrorism and kw=crime
04:38 * dcook     does a little dance again
04:39 dcook       Ohh it even works in Koha
04:39 dcook       ti:terrorism and ti:crime
04:44 eythian     ah
04:44 eythian     that makes sense
04:44 eythian     hi cait
04:44 dcook       I know, right?
04:44 dcook       So obvious when you think about it
04:44 eythian     cait: up early for more beer, is it?
04:44 dcook       One reason why elliptical expressions suuuuuck
04:44 dcook       beer!
04:45 eythian     It's Oktoberfest there, after all.
04:45 eythian     In september.
04:45 dcook       I thought I saw something about there being a lot of beer in Konstanz at the moment
04:46 dcook       I've heard stories of people drinking remarkably amounts of beer at Oktoberfest
04:46 dcook       I always wondered if it meant the beer was watered down, or if it was actually just so good that you couldn't put it down
04:46 eythian     I think they probably just get drunk
04:47 cait        believe me - I would have liked to sleep longer :)
04:47 cait        and nope no beer for me still
04:47 eythian     still hungover from yesterday?
04:47 eythian     you know the way to deal with that is more beer.
04:47 dojobo      re: oktoberfest, i have heard that the waitresses will switch people to non-alcoholic beer without telling them
04:48 dojobo      basically to cut them off
04:48 eythian     heh, that's a good idea
04:48 dojobo      they serve it by the liter
04:48 dojobo      i'm going to munich this friday so i'll probably check out the fest
04:49 dcook       hehe
04:49 dcook       Non-alcoholic beer is actually pretty cheap
04:49 dcook       Bought some recently so my wife could enjoy the taste even though she can't have alcohol at the moment
04:50 dcook       Still tasted like beer :p
04:50 dojobo      if she's pregnant, congrats
04:50 dcook       thanks :)
04:51 dcook       eythian: Now I'm getting ads for the Y Hotel :p
04:51 eythian     haha
04:51 cait        dcook: when is the date?
04:51 dcook       cait: Mmm early/mid March
04:51 dcook       So still a ways to go yet
04:51 dcook       They're pretty big now though. I think last week they were the size of an avocado
04:52 dcook       Not sure how big now..
04:52 cait        they?
04:52 wahanui     they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :)
04:52 dcook       Ah, I mean it in a gender neutral way
04:52 cait        ah
04:53 dcook       Good ol' English :)
04:53 cait        now i am slightly disappointed ;)
04:53 dcook       :p
04:53 dcook       I think I can only handle one at a time
04:53 dcook       It's hard enough having two cats at the same time..
04:54 * dcook     doesn't know how he's going to cope with 2 fur babies and one furless baby
04:54 cait        i've heard the furless ones can be real trouble
04:54 dcook       That's what I hear as well
04:54 dcook       But I hear that when they reach about 15 years old, they get useful for manual labour
04:55 * dcook     is looking forward to having someone else that can help him carry heavy stuff
04:55 dcook       Also, they can fetch beer when they turn 18
04:55 * dcook     thinks his priorities are pretty straight here
04:58 cait        have to go... giving a presentation later today
04:58 cait        wish me luck :)
04:59 dcook       good luck!
04:59 dojobo      Viel Glück
04:59 dcook       What they said!
04:59 eythian     g'luck :)
04:59 * dcook     doesn't know the gender of dojobo so thought a gender neutral singular they would make sense
04:59 dcook       Bonne chance!
04:59 dojobo      :) male
04:59 eythian     oh, I need to start thinking about my OSDC talk I guess.
04:59 dcook       Bah!
04:59 dcook       That's... oh wait
04:59 dcook       I was going to say "that's quitter talk"
04:59 dcook       But it didn't quite make sense
04:59 eythian     no
05:00 eythian     no it didn't
05:00 dcook       :(
05:00 dcook       If it helps, reading http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-rpn.html helps
05:00 cait        slides?
05:00 wahanui     Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any!
05:00 dcook       turns out that "phrase" is the default structure attribute
05:00 eythian     slides?
05:00 wahanui     Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any!
05:00 eythian     slides?
05:00 wahanui     Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any!
05:00 eythian     hrm
05:00 eythian     literal slides
05:00 wahanui     eythian: slides =is= <reply> Slides are evil! Noone should be forced to write any!
05:00 cait        :P
05:00 dcook       Hence ti="terrorism crime" would be a phrase search because of the use of default values
05:01 eythian     slides?
05:01 wahanui     get back to writing them, cait!
05:01 cait        gah.
05:01 cait        bye :)
05:01 eythian     later :)
05:03 dcook       Maybe I should re-write some of the manual regarding CCL and Zebra searching...
05:17 * dcook     thinks #koha is one of the reasons he enjoys his job so much
05:17 dcook       You're rad folks, and helping each other and commenting together and stuff and things is nice
05:17 * dcook     nods
05:18 dcook       Hmm querytype  is already in the wiki...
05:18 * dcook     wonders who added that
05:19 dcook       Ahh it looks like it was magnuse
05:19 dcook       magnuse++
05:19 dcook       Hmm or maybe not..
05:19 dcook       Oh well. Keep the karma!
05:40 dcook       Hmm my bad... I don't think it defaults to "kw"
05:40 dcook       I think it defaults to "term"
05:41 eythian     what is term to zebra?
05:41 dcook       term t=l,r  s=al
05:41 dcook       t=l means left-truncated, s=al means each token in term is ANDed
05:41 eythian     I'm kinda thinking of ES where term is a type of search you do on a field.
05:42 dcook       type of search?
05:43 eythian     well, "run spot run" becomes terms "run", "spot", "run" and so a term search will look for those individual words.
05:43 eythian     roughly
05:43 dcook       I'm thinking ",r" doesn't do anything..
05:43 dcook       Hmm
05:43 eythian     it's somewhat of an intersection between how you index and how you search.
05:43 dcook       What's the operation between them?
05:43 eythian     default or I think
05:43 dcook       ?
05:43 eythian     but you can change that
05:44 dcook       So "run spot run" gets tokenized into "run", "spot", "run", yeah?
05:44 eythian     yeah
05:44 dcook       Then the default will be "AND" or "OR"?
05:44 eythian     yep
05:44 dcook       Cool. At the moment, I think the default in Koha is kw,wrdl so ...
05:44 eythian     actually, I'm over simplifying
05:44 dcook       kw,wrdl="run spot run" would do a keyword search for each term and and them together
05:44 dcook       and AND*
05:45 eythian     but if you did a term search for "spot" it'd return that record.
05:45 dcook       Hmm maybe I don't follow
05:45 eythian     you can't do a term search for "run spot"
05:45 eythian     but you can do an AND of "term: title: "run"" and "term: title: "spot""
05:46 dcook       Hmm, so "term" would be like "word" I guess?
05:46 eythian     (I'm not using this part of the API anyway though, except for authority searches.)
05:46 eythian     typically yes
05:46 dcook       A term being a single atomic term
05:46 eythian     yeah, and you're looking for exact matches of them in ES-land
05:47 eythian     a match query would let you do "run spot", it would tokenise it, and then use the results as terms.
05:47 eythian     (again, roughly)
05:48 dcook       Sounds a lot like the word list with Zebra
05:48 dcook       Although I think a word list can only AND in Zebra..
05:48 eythian     but, you kinda need to index things twice to make that work, but that can be done automatically.
05:48 dcook       Yeah?
05:48 eythian     https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/query-dsl-term-query.html <-- "should" is like saying "or"
05:48 eythian     (and "must" is like saying "and")
05:49 dcook       Wouldn't it tokenize "run spot" into "run" and "spot" do a search for "run" do a search for "spot" and then and them together?
05:49 dcook       interesting
05:49 wahanui     rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
05:50 dcook       Ohhh I think I follow
05:50 dcook       Well.. maybe
05:50 eythian     the best way to use ES really is to parse your search into a tree and then build an ES query out of that.
05:50 eythian     which I'm not doing
05:50 dcook       Unfortunately :(
05:50 dcook       Yeah, I think the best way to use Zebra would be to parse the search into a tree and then build a PQF/RPN query out of it
05:51 eythian     I'm using the function that lets you specify a lucene-style query instead
05:51 eythian     as that pushes a lot of intelligence through to ES rather than me doing it myself.
05:51 dcook       True that
05:51 dcook       I suppose that would ignore a lot of system preferences, but that's not necessarily a bad thing
05:52 dcook       Unless you make up for that
05:52 eythian     oh, I can account for that
05:52 eythian     I preparse the query myself
05:52 eythian     which is ugly, but mostly works
05:52 eythian     (using regexes etc, not doing it properly.)
05:53 dcook       I know we've had this conversation before
05:53 dcook       It's tough without there being a parser there for Zebra too
05:53 eythian     yeah
05:54 dcook       If I had all the time and money...
05:54 eythian     what we need is some sort of thing that takes what the user types and turns it into a data structure that accounts for system preferences that describes what they really want :)
05:54 eythian     then that can be translated into anything.
05:54 eythian     some sort of ... query parser or something :)
05:54 dcook       hehe
05:54 dcook       That would be rad
05:55 dcook       I feel like the query parser was so close...
05:55 eythian     it'd be an interesting little project for an intern...
05:56 dcook       That's true. It needs someone who can focus entirely on it.
05:58 eythian     when I was at uni, doing a group assignment which was to build a man page searcher, one of the people (who happened to have a maths degree also) did pretty much nothing. Then one time when we were stuck, he sat down overnight and in the morning had built us a complete query parser.
05:59 dcook       O_O
05:59 dcook       Ain't that always the way?
05:59 dcook       Well... sometimes the way
05:59 eythian     certainly sometimes the way :)
06:03 eythian     I should go, have a book launch to go to.
06:03 eythian     later
06:04 dcook       ta
06:04 eythian     you're...welcome?
06:05 dcook       I was going to say ta ta, but then I decided halfway through that I didn't want to say that and just hit enter :p
06:05 dcook       later :p
06:26 * magnuse   waves
06:49 reiveune    hello
06:49 wahanui     salut, reiveune
06:59 alex_a      bonjour
07:05 dcook       magnuse: I noticed you gave a bit of love to Troubleshooting Zebra
07:05 dcook       I just created a new section: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#Default_values_when_using_CCL
07:05 Joubu       hi
07:05 wahanui     privet, Joubu
07:05 dcook       Need to head off for the day, but might be worth looking at :)
07:10 magnuse     dcook++
07:10 Joubu       @later tell pianohacker Didn't you know someone else using B&T?
07:10 huginn      Joubu: The operation succeeded.
07:10 dcook       magnuse: It took a bit of time to figure all that out, but super pleased with myself, haha
07:10 dcook       Actually, the hardest part was finding evidence to prove my theories
07:16 dcook       Anywho, night all
11:14 magnuse     it's oh so quiet...
11:30 putti       magnuse, hello! :)
11:30 magnuse     hiya putti
11:33 putti       magnuse, how koha/serials/serials-collection.pl -> "edit serials" should work? If one has already marked an issue received and then goes to edit it: changes status to something else like missing, but then changes it back to arrived there comes the item modification thingie.. should that come?
11:40 putti       I think one should only be able to change the status not any information of the item.
11:44 magnuse     putti: i am not sure, i'm not very familiar with the serials stuff
11:44 putti       magnuse, okay, np.
12:20 Viktor      We're discussing how to implement protection av MARC-fields per source/user class.
12:21 jcamins     Viktor: 1) get rid of MARC 2) celebrate 3) profit
12:21 Viktor      Is there more places doing import than Z39.50, staging for import. Shellscripts?
12:21 Viktor      jcamins Sound good. I like Science fiction :)
12:22 jcamins     Viktor: me too.
12:24 Viktor      Wondering if everything uses the same code and we can just insert the field-protection into a single field.
12:24 Viktor      Or if we have to hunt around all sorts of places.
12:25 magnuse     Viktor: the bulkmarcimport.pl script
12:25 magnuse     ?
12:25 magnuse     and the svc api (or maybe not, i am not sure)
12:26 Viktor      Thanks magnuse
12:26 magnuse     but everything *should* use ModBiblio AddBiblio etc
12:27 Viktor      Great news. If they all use ModBibliot AddBiblio then we should attack those for a single point (of success:)
12:27 Viktor      Would it be best to do "per framework" or "systemwide" do you think?
12:28 Viktor      We are thinking for case 1 just to throw unwanted fields silently.
12:28 magnuse     my gut feeling says systemwide
12:28 Viktor      Good.
12:29 Viktor      Combined with the history patch xarragon did it could be useful when syncing with national catalogues etc.
12:29 Viktor      Or letting cataloguers change all fields and regular librarians some fields.
12:34 Viktor      Does ModBiblio and AddBiblio have any idea right now of who is using them?
12:35 Viktor      Only record och framework it seems.
12:37 Viktor      So we would have to add _what_ source is using the script so we can handle differences between what source A, B, C is allowed to overwrite.
13:13 tcohen      morning
13:14 tcohen      Joubu: http://snag.gy/knIep.jpg <--- Jessie
13:17 Joubu       tcohen: well, just reinserted my DB for tests and it passes! Sorry about that
13:26 magnuse     Oak
13:26 tcohen      Joubu: no worries, it was worth re-checking
13:28 Oak         magnuse
13:29 Oak         \o/
13:29 tcohen      hi Oak
13:29 Oak         hello tcohen !
15:01 reiveune1   bye
15:07 tcohen      jajm++
15:25 tcohen      jajm: i cannot figure how to translate the rewrite rules into the reverseproxy+psgi combo
15:26 tcohen      any Plack gurus here?
15:27 tcohen      or better, anyone here?
15:55 tcohen      ashimema: around?
15:58 bag         heya tcohen
16:15 Joubu       tcohen: ?
16:16 pianohacker .
17:03 Joubu       bye #koha
17:13 * magnuse   waves
17:30 tcohen      hi bag}
17:30 tcohen      bag}
17:30 tcohen      bag
17:30 tcohen      heh, issues with the keyboard
17:30 tcohen      i need a Plack expert
17:30 tcohen      anyone?
17:30 wahanui     hmmm... anyone is free to organize one at any time :-)
17:31 tcohen      plack and/or mojolicious
17:41 mveron      bye #koha
18:10 * magnuse   sets up another free koha instance for personal use
20:12 tmcmahon    I filed a bug last week about a problem I was having with keyboard shortcuts after my database was loaded into a new system.
20:13 tmcmahon    Today I found out what was causing it (but not why, of course).
20:13 tmcmahon    Do I edit the title and contents of the current bug or fill out a new one?
20:15 tmcmahon    and if I fill out a new one, what do I do about the old one?
20:15 tmcmahon    The current one is http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14860
20:15 huginn      04Bug 14860: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Keyboard shortcuts not functioning correctly after loading database.
20:53 Doorook     Hi
20:53 wahanui     niihau, Doorook
20:53 Doorook     yes ?
20:53 Doorook     ohhh, niihau ! :)
20:53 Doorook     xiexie
20:54 pianohacker Doorook: wahanui is a chatbot :)
20:54 pianohacker I am not, though. Hi!
20:55 Doorook     Could someone explain me why I can't see any document in koha opac's catalog unless if this one is in a list ?
20:55 Doorook     haha, ty for the tips pianohacker
20:55 pianohacker Doorook: could I ask for a bit more information? Catalog searching doesn't work?
20:55 Doorook     Yes
20:56 Doorook     To explain where I am : I scanned some ISBN and made a test .mrc with 10ish documents
20:56 Doorook     Then I imported the .mrc, so I have the notices in the "reservoir"
20:56 Doorook     and then I managed them via the import tool
20:57 pianohacker Doorook: did you install from packages?
20:57 Doorook     but still, I have to say KOHA that I have an "exemplaire" of all the documents one by one and even then they are not listed in KOHA opac unless if they are on the public list I created
20:58 Doorook     (my apologizes for the English and specific Vocab, i'm not a native english speaker)
20:58 pianohacker no worries, we get you :)
20:58 Doorook     It's a live-CD I tweaked.
20:58 Doorook     but everything else seems to work
20:58 pianohacker ah, kk
20:59 pianohacker have you rebuilt the search indices (zebra)?
20:59 Doorook     there's no problem with zebra either since I can see the documents listed. (but still I did actualise it)
20:59 Doorook     Yep
21:00 Doorook     with koha-rebuild-zebra -b -v -f library
21:00 pianohacker and no errors?
21:00 Doorook     and it returns that it exported the good number of documents
21:01 * Francesca waves
21:01 pianohacker Is the zebra daemon running?
21:02 Doorook     I think so
21:02 Doorook     ... :p
21:02 Doorook     the output of : ps ax|grep zebra
21:02 Doorook     1121 ?        S      0:00 daemon --name=library-koha-zebra --errlog=/var/log/koha/library/zebra-error.log --stdout=/var/log/koha/library/zebra.log --output=/var/log/koha/library/zebra-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=libr
21:05 pianohacker is that the only output? That's the script that starts zebra but not zebra itself
21:07 cait        Doorook: does the intranet search work?
21:07 cait        i mean, is there a difference between opac and intranet?
21:11 Doorook     sry
21:12 Doorook     hmmm, what do you call the intranet search ? I can access to the online catalog, but it tells me that there are no result found
21:12 Doorook     unless if I go in the specific list "Publique" which contains the document I added manually (list and examplary)
21:12 pianohacker Doorook: please run ps ax | grep zebrasrv
21:13 Doorook     pianohacker:
21:13 Doorook     1122 ?        S      0:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml  3332 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto zebrasrv
21:14 Doorook     So it does run
21:14 pianohacker Doorook: try stopping it and starting it again
21:16 Doorook     koha-restart-zebra library return no error and it's still the same
21:23 Doorook     cait pianohacker : any other idea than checking zebra ?
21:23 Doorook     sry to bother you like that, but I have the impression that I'm turning in circle and I'd really like to make it work
21:23 cait        the intranet would be the interface for the librarians - where you catalog
21:24 cait        an idea would be to check the OpacSuppression system preference
21:24 cait        if only the opac was affected
21:24 cait        theproblem is that with a live dvd we don't know exactly how this is set up - it makes helping somewhat harder
21:25 Doorook     hmmm, I have the code to access sql and all the setting
21:25 Doorook     for the intranet, I can access it normally, no restriction
21:25 Doorook     i'll take a look for Opacsuppression
21:28 Doorook     it's set to "show"
21:30 tcohen1     hi
21:30 Doorook     hi
21:30 wahanui     privet, Doorook
21:37 cait        hm if 'show' - it_s probably something else sorry
21:37 cait        hi tcohen
21:38 pianohacker sigh... longoverdue.pl "this script is not intended to have a long lifetime"
21:38 pianohacker ^ introduced in a commit from 2008
21:40 cait        i know
21:40 cait        pianohacker: keep in mind we are getting better
21:41 pianohacker I know :)
21:41 wnickc      hi and bye all!
21:43 wizzyrea    longoverdue
21:43 wizzyrea    it is sighworthy
21:45 tcohen1     hi cait
21:45 pianohacker Doorook: yes, once you've followed http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/marceditexcel.html , you should see the records in Koha
21:45 pianohacker though note that that's a very old version of the manual
21:46 wizzyrea    why the 3.2 ... yeah
21:46 wizzyrea    you can just swap out the version.
21:48 Doorook     i'm running the 3.12 now
21:51 tcohen1     3.12 was awesome
21:52 Doorook     what's the difference with the actual one ? tcohen1
21:52 tcohen1     course reserves
21:52 wahanui     well, course reserves is definitely something others have been interested in
21:55 tcohen1     Doorook: check http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/
21:55 tcohen1     replace 14 for: 16, 18 and 20
21:55 tcohen1     to have an idea ;-)
21:55 tcohen1     bye
22:03 wizzyrea    what is the word, it begins with d I think, that means "accented characters"
22:03 wizzyrea    I simply cannot call this up, and I know I know it.
22:04 wizzyrea    diacritic!
22:18 eythian     hi
22:18 wahanui     que tal, eythian
23:48 wizzyrea    I'm... not sure how to advise someone to upgrade from koha 3.01
23:49 wizzyrea    (also, I answered that guy but I forgot to send it to the list)
23:49 wizzyrea    or just failed at email.
23:52 wizzyrea    if anyone has advice for him on upgrading 3.01, please feel free to chuck your pennies in.
23:56 eythian     I don't actually see that email
23:57 eythian     oh
23:57 eythian     what's odd there is his other email claims to have 3.20
23:57 eythian     ah, different servers too
23:57 eythian     looks like he's got an old one and a new one