IRC log for #koha, 2015-08-27

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02:11 earl1v3tty hello
02:11 wahanui privet, earl1v3tty
02:12 earl1v3tty kak dilá
02:14 earl1v3tty how are you
02:14 earl1v3tty nice to meet you
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04:25 irma I thought it was in the hands of Anita but when (months later) I checked, it was still not working.
04:25 wizzyrea ww irma?
04:26 irma hi wizzyrea :-) Indeed, sometimes librarians have to do contact their ejournal providers too ...
04:26 irma any way, how are you?
04:28 wizzyrea well :)
04:28 wizzyrea busy as :)
04:28 wizzyrea and you?
04:29 irma wizzyrea dito busy and having fun :-)
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05:20 * magnuse waves
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05:36 magnuse yay[…]isode-74-equinox/
05:43 mtj nice one magnuse  :)
05:43 mtj jazzy piano
05:55 magnuse i havn't listened to it yet
06:05 putti Good morning ! :)
06:06 magnuse hiya putti
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06:26 reiveune hello
06:26 wahanui hola, reiveune
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06:29 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:29 magnuse @wunder boo
06:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 18.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 27, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
06:29 reiveune salut magnuse :)
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06:37 marcelr hi #koha
06:39 putti In bug 8236, what can I do to help it get pushed to upstream? There is so many things going on so I don't know what I am supposed to be doing :D
06:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , Prevent renewing if overdue or restriction
06:39 putti Should I sign-off of something?
06:42 marcelr putti: if you are not sure, do not sign off
06:43 putti but I want to be sure (and sign-off if it helps to the patch get pushed to upstream), so I am asking now :)
06:44 putti Should we squash the commits?
06:45 putti Or is it in that point that someone is just coming next to push it to master?
06:47 putti Can I sign-off that latest QA follow-up, for example, if I see it's a good follow-up?
06:51 magnuse yes, it looks like the first two patches have been signed off, but the last patch does need a signoff
06:52 magnuse putti: signing off the last patch would mean you could set the whole bug to "signed off" and it would be ready for the qa team to look at
06:52 magnuse[…]nt-patch_Workflow if you are not familiar with it :-)
06:52 putti Cool! :D
06:52 marcelr putti: no need to squash commits without good reason
06:54 putti I have looked that wiki page but never encountered this type of bugzilla bug (where there is many different types of patches)
06:56 putti But every patch is supposed to have a sign-off, whether it is a QA something, Follow-up something, right?
06:56 Joubu o/
06:56 magnuse yep, all patches need a signoff
06:56 magnuse and a signoff from the qa team
06:57 magnuse Joubu \o/
06:57 Joubu putti: it depends on what kind of patch
06:59 Joubu for 8236, it needs a signoff, so if you want to see it moving one, you can test the whole patch set and sign it off
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
07:02 putti Joubu: Sign-off the whole patch? QA follow-up patch looks like it only needs signing-off, signing-off the other patches would be wasted time?
07:05 magnuse nah, the more signoffs the better
07:05 Joubu putti: you cannot signoff only one patch of a patch set without testing all the feature/bugfix
07:05 Joubu because it does not make sense
07:06 magnuse you have to apply all three patches and test them, when you have done that, signing off all 3 is not a lot more work
07:06 putti It makes, the last one is just changes in the strings, so I could look if it is better with it or without.
07:07 putti Usually when I sign-off something I check that also the code is good, so If I'm going to check all the code it will take at least and hour :D
07:08 Joubu and it has already been qaed, so yes you can
07:08 Joubu that's why I said "it depends on the kind of patch" :)
07:09 putti So nobody will get upset if I just sign-off the last one? :P
07:10 Joubu at least not me, I cannot know for somebody else
07:11 Joubu but... actually it should have been just a rebase
07:11 Joubu the RM asked for a rebase, not to start a complete test workflow again
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07:42 drojf morning
07:43 drojf i never get greeted by wahanui
07:43 drojf hi
07:43 drojf hello
07:43 drojf hm
07:43 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:43 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 21.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on August 27, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
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07:59 magnuse moin drojf
07:59 magnuse @wunder boo
07:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 19.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
07:59 drojf hei magnuse
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08:28 putti What is the constrainttype column in reserves table?
08:28 putti What does it tell to us?
08:30 putti It's not explained in :/
08:38 Joubu putti: it has been removed :)
08:38 Joubu bug 9809
08:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Get rid of reserveconstraints
08:39 Joubu pushed to master yesterday
08:39 putti I'm doing things with that bug and I need to know what it does in order to sign-off
08:39 putti really
08:39 putti wow.. but the column is still there? Right?
08:39 Joubu no
08:40 putti There is code which is depending on that column
08:40 marcelr putti: git fetch
08:40 Joubu[…]ment.cgi?id=41892
08:40 Joubu checkout an up-to-date master branch and execute the updatedb
08:40 putti Lemme see the code again
08:40 putti but first I'll push one patch :P
08:42 putti Can I amend license text ?
08:42 putti no need for a follow-up?
08:42 putti :D
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08:43 Joubu What do you want to change in the license text?
08:43 putti because there is not one
08:43 putti or should the author do that?
08:44 putti Because it's he's work...
08:45 Joubu context?
08:45 wahanui context is everything?
08:45 putti Here[…]_bug.cgi?id=14702 unit test is missing license
08:45 huginn Bug 14702: normal, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Refactor GetReserveFee
08:46 Joubu heh, I never add the license for test files
08:46 Joubu putti: you can ask for a follow-up, or submit it yourself if you like
08:46 Joubu it's preferable not to amend other's patches
08:47 putti okay
08:49 putti Joubu, the constrainttype didn't go away
08:50 putti oh wai
08:50 Joubu git show HEAD
08:50 putti I fetched but didn't apply the changes :) Let's see now
08:51 putti Gone :)
08:53 Joubu first actions of the day: git remote update; git rebase origin/master
09:08 Joubu be care if you use >3.18.7 and patroncards module, see bug 14739
09:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14739 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, ASSIGNED , Add several patrons to a new batch will create a new batch per patron added
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09:33 marcelr putti: you are Joonas?
09:33 grharry Hi Koha! I am having lots or problems with the idzebra binaries as provided by the debian ( wheezie / jessie ) distros!  Is there a  idzebra debian repo that is known to perform ok  ???
09:33 Joubu marcelr: yes he is
09:33 marcelr ok thx
09:35 Joubu grharry: what kind of problems?
09:37 Joubu There was (is?) a problem with IndexData repo, the debian one should be ok
09:37 Joubu zebraidx -V | head -n1
09:39 grharry OK I presume wheezy  version has problems with long records or long subfields !!!
09:40 grharry when indexing from command line or whatever it dies out ... with no warning !!
09:40 grharry when I upgrade to jessie
09:41 grharry I see lots of ... truncating  xxxx
09:41 grharry When I upgrade to indexdata binaries ... all facets are gone !!!!
09:42 grharry I would be so happy to see the koha-repo to provide tested and suggested zebra binaries !!!
09:42 marcelr brb
09:44 Joubu grharry: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ruary/thread.html
09:44 Joubu have a look at the "Zebra hyphen truncating search" and " Problems with Indexdata idzebra-2.0 build (Zebra2.0.59)  " topics
09:46 Joubu I don't remember what was the final conclusion
09:46 Joubu you should try and ask tcohen or eythian
09:46 Joubu dcook might know as well
09:47 grharry what version you people use ??
09:49 Joubu Zebra 2.0.44 but I don't know if it works well or not. I am a developer and don't use it daily
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10:27 putti marcelr, Hi. The license kinda blocked but I just went to eat some lunch so I didn't have time to check the test code back then. Now it's signed-off :-)
10:27 marcelr putti++
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10:30 putti marcelr, btw the old code was so hard to read. Thank you for your time to refactor it!
10:36 marcelr np
10:39 Joubu marcelr: From bug 13971: Verify that your koha-conf does not contain:     <gitified>1</gitified>
10:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13971 minor, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Adjusted locations in koha-rebuild-zebra for gitified instance
10:40 Joubu who/what is supposed to add this tag?
10:40 marcelr Joubu: let me think and try to remember :)
10:42 marcelr commit msg: I will submit a separate follow-up report for adding those tags. :)
10:42 marcelr have to locate that one
10:43 Joubu marcelr: so it should be done manually after koha-gitify will be done?
10:43 marcelr Joubu: well it must be created still
10:43 marcelr the point here is step 1 should not have it and you add it later
10:43 marcelr yes manuallu
10:43 marcelr y
10:43 Joubu so it should be part of the koha-gitify install doc
10:44 Joubu marcelr: Are you sure there is no other way to know if the install has been gitified?
10:44 marcelr this is very easy
10:46 Joubu marcelr: hum?
10:47 marcelr this is an easy way to check
10:47 Joubu a lazy way you mean? :)
10:48 marcelr programmers should be lazy
10:49 marcelr part of the requirements
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11:52 Joubu ashimema: ptfs-e's sandboxes are down?
11:53 ashimema will take a look.. thanks for the heads up Joubu
11:56 ashimema OOM on the server..
11:56 ashimema rebooting it
11:57 putti marcelr, I'm a little bit worried how the patch for 13592 would work if the refactoring of the code you just did goes to master.. Lets hope they work together without any huge changes.
11:59 putti I mean it might depend some how to different items in the biblio ... But lets worry about that later
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12:15 alex_a Anyone knows how the yaml config file works for Koha's OAI server ?
12:15 alex_a It's for test bug 12252
12:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Failed QA , OAI-PMH GetRecord result doesn't include item data
12:16 alex_a I created a yaml file, put "include_items: 1" in it. But oai_dc metadata is no more supported
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12:20 tcohen morning°
12:20 tcohen morning!
12:21 marcelr putti: you can build your work on top of 14702
12:21 marcelr hi tcohen
12:21 tcohen hi marcelr
12:22 marcelr is bernardo still away?
12:26 tcohen i think he is around
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12:44 tcohen marcelr: email him
12:45 marcelr np
12:45 tcohen i can walk towards the building he is working at, and deliver your message too
12:45 tcohen :-D
12:45 * tcohen loves excuses to visit bernardo
12:45 marcelr just thought he was not there yet
12:45 marcelr bring him some coffee
12:47 marcelr tcohen: the idea of a self signoff on trivial patches was not yet discussed?
12:47 marcelr should it be on a dev meeting or a general one?
12:49 tcohen we didn't yesterday, the meeting got longer than expected
12:49 marcelr ok
12:50 putti Does anyone know about gmcharlt, when has he been online the last time/has someone heard from him? I have been trying to reach him for the past week or so.
12:50 * gmcharlt has been on vacation
12:51 putti is he still? :D
12:51 marcelr guess not
12:51 marcelr ^
12:51 gmcharlt putti: alas, I'm no longer on vacation ;)
12:53 putti gmcharlt, the email which I send to you about some MARC::XML module!
12:53 putti gmcharlt, Did you got it?
12:55 gmcharlt putti: just found it, looking at it
12:55 putti :)
12:56 gmcharlt putti: could you perchance email me a copy of the record in question?
12:59 putti Any record will do, just add a new line(s) to some field where can be many lines in (with the record editor in koha).
13:00 marcelr putti: if you work on a report, please put your name into the assignee field in Bugzilla (e.g. see bug 14683)
13:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14683 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Unable to clear SMS number
13:01 putti marcelr, I will from now on.
13:01 gmcharlt putti: OK, I'll try
13:01 marcelr thx
13:01 putti gmcharlt, field 500 a is one where you can try
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13:18 magnuse kia ora cait
13:18 magnuse how's the masterclass?
13:18 cait i hope going well
13:18 cait andreas is up talking about their migration process
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13:20 cait he is doing very well of course :)
13:20 magnuse yay
13:21 magnuse and i bet you did well too!
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13:24 magnuse hiya talljoy
13:29 magnuse time to make dinner - have fun #koha!
13:29 cait bye magnuse :)
13:30 Joubu magnuse: dinner? But in which tz are you??
13:32 magnuse Joubu: Norwegian = dinner at ~4pm
13:32 cait yeah... those norwegians... :)
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13:35 marcelr Joubu: the more south you go, the later you eat :)
13:36 putti marcelr, what type of an issue it was?
13:36 Joubu I have just finished my lunch
13:36 cait we had cake
13:36 cait :)
13:37 putti good for you :P
13:47 alex_a_ Is Koha's SIP server able to return patron's information (with holds and loans) like ILS-DI ?
13:48 talljoy hiya magnuse
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14:19 tcohen #koha: is it reasonable that the cataloguing plugin requires tools => cn_browser permissions? maybe catalogue should be enough?
14:19 tcohen Joubu: ?
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14:21 Joubu tcohen: ¡!
14:21 Joubu I really don't know
14:22 Joubu +            flagsrequired   => { tools => 'cn_browser', catalogue => 1 },
14:22 Joubu it requires either cn_browser or catalogue
14:22 Joubu I think it's an OR
14:23 tcohen it isnt'
14:23 tcohen i can only use it either with 'tools' (all set) or superlibrarin
14:23 tcohen a
14:24 Joubu tcohen: lol, I think ... it depends
14:24 Joubu look at C4/ l. 845
14:24 tcohen Joubu: is it even deterministic?
14:25 Joubu no, forget that
14:26 Joubu ok, you need both (looking at the code only)
14:26 tcohen you are right it is an OR
14:26 tcohen daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam​mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnn
14:27 Joubu tcohen: sure? :)
14:28 Joubu tcohen: C4::Auth::haspermission return 0 if at least 1 flag is not set
14:28 tcohen that's an and
14:28 Joubu :p
14:28 Joubu try again!
14:29 tcohen the thing is, do we need tools->cn_browser ?
14:29 tcohen because it is only searching for the used call numbers... on the catalog
14:32 Joubu :q
14:32 Joubu oops
14:33 Joubu I am search for this permission in the .sql
14:33 Joubu ing
14:33 Joubu but don't find it
14:33 tcohen no it isn't there
14:33 tcohen i reverted my local commit adding it
14:33 tcohen i'm just removing the requirement for it
14:33 tcohen it only searches the items table for used callnumbers
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14:34 tcohen i don't think it should require more than catalogue
14:34 Joubu tcohen: but it is in master!
14:34 Joubu cataloguing/value_builder/            flagsrequired   => { tools => 'cn_browser', catalogue => 1 },
14:34 tcohen yes
14:34 Joubu so it only works if you have the entire tool perm
14:34 tcohen i filled a bug (14737) and am attaching a patch right now, removing that requirement
14:35 Joubu francharb: around?
14:35 tcohen huginn: you don't like parenthesis, do you?
14:35 huginn tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes
14:39 tcohen bug 14737
14:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14737 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Can't use cataloguing plugin without superlibrarian permissions
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14:59 putti Joubu, bug 14703, what do you say.
14:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14703 minor, P5 - low, ---, j.kylmala, Passed QA , Holidays description shows \r\n for every new line
15:00 Joubu putti: I haven't tested, but I think the cleaning should be done after the user's input
15:00 Joubu before inserting in the DB the \r\n
15:00 putti but then we still need to escape the <br> tag because for some reason javascript sees it as a new line
15:01 cait i think maybe there is a tt filter for that?
15:01 putti and there is lots of extra work to reassemble the description for editing
15:01 cait ah javascript hm. ignore me :)
15:01 putti cait, in never version of Template toolkit
15:02 putti but we won't use it very soon... :/
15:03 putti or was the filter which isn't coming soon to koha about quotes... hmm.
15:04 tcohen from the Mojolicious webpage
15:04 putti I guess I tried the filter html_line_break but it didn't work. Maybe it works if I remove the \r
15:04 tcohen "Mojolicious applications are ridiculously simple to deploy with Plack"
15:13 ashimema tcohen.. is that you quoting yourself?
15:14 * ashimema doesn't run his mojo apps under plack.. he runs them under morbo for development and then under hynotoad for production.. that gives hime event loops for free ;)
15:14 tcohen ashimema: I just googled "mojolicious in plack" and the first result says so
15:15 * ashimema woudl encourage anyone working on the mojo based api to learn how to write non-blocking code ;)
15:15 ashimema haha.. yes indede it's not too hard ot get ti plack'd
15:15 ashimema but it's nto the 'recommended way'..
15:15 ashimema hynotoad is the general recommendation
15:16 ashimema but for us.. plack does indeed make sense for now ;)
15:16 tcohen ashimema: we definitely improve one step at a time
15:16 tcohen otherwise we get stuck or even go backwards
15:17 ashimema certainly
15:17 wahanui i heard certainly was confusing.. thanks for bringing your attention to it.
15:17 * tcohen is being realistic, no intention to sound grumpy (this time)
15:17 ashimema question about it..
15:17 ashimema are you intending to run the mojo plack in parallel to the rest of koha (in cgi or plack)?
15:18 ashimema or.. intending on running one plack to rule them both.. I have no idea how it fits together as yet ;)
15:18 tcohen the current integration approach (for the packages) runs one plack to rule them all
15:18 tcohen i succeded with opac + intranet
15:18 tcohen and left the /api endpoint commented out
15:18 tcohen ehh
15:19 tcohen i guess we will end up using a tweaked version of this[…]#Plack-middleware
15:24 tcohen ashimema:[…]plates/plack.psgi
15:29 Joubu Our RM is always complaining! (:D)
15:37 ashimema ->cool
15:43 ashimema ack..
15:43 ashimema oops.. wrong irx
15:45 * Joubu wants to know what is cool
16:01 reiveune bye
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16:10 tcohen Joubu: ashimema is cheating on us, hanging out with the dbix-class guys
16:10 tcohen they are cooler than us :-P
16:17 Joubu bye #koha
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16:21 ashimema their code is nicer ;)
16:21 ashimema there's all sorts of things I'd love to use i koha.. but alas there's too much overhead to get them in ;)
16:22 ashimema the koha::objects is a really prime example.. we'de have been way better just using dbic resultset objects (adn adding the odd view as and when we needed ti)..
16:22 ashimema and fixing our schema whilst we go..
16:22 ashimema ading koha::objects in my mind just throws away huge swaths of great stuff from dbic.. and adds yet another obfuscated intrface to learn
16:26 Joubu We hadn't something else working
16:26 Joubu nobody have suggested something else
16:27 Joubu well, bye #koha :)
16:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14579: 'You are not logged in' should link to log in page <[…]6ede20359257d0701> / Bug 14634: Warns when placing hold on record with no items <[…]6746a88835a822c62> / Bug 13791: (RM followup) Add new dependencies for packaging <http://git.koha-community.o
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18:26 bartonDND tcohen: perfect timing: bug 14217
18:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add a DOM syntax for specifying conditions on indexes
18:27 bartonDND hot off the presses :-)
18:27 tcohen heh
18:27 tcohen did u like it?
18:28 bartonDND yep. worked like a charm...
18:29 tcohen i'm glad to hear that
18:29 tcohen i assume you signed it?
18:29 bartonDND yes.
18:29 tcohen cool :-D
18:31 tcohen magnuse: is it a problem that the provisioning script is written in ansible?
18:55 magnuse tcohen: you'll do a pull request for kohadevbox that changes the provisioning to ansible?
18:59 tcohen magnuse: well, i'm not sure yet. I have a working ansible playbook, but am not sure how to solve a couple things (notably making the git source debian scripts be the ones to run)
19:00 tcohen i might need to patch koha-gitify
19:00 tcohen or someone
19:00 tcohen do it
19:01 tcohen but yes, after akafred tought me about ansible, there's no way back
19:01 tcohen magnuse: i wrote kohabuildbox like that :-D
19:08 magnuse tcohen: cool
19:08 magnuse i don't know ansible, but i should get my head round something like that one of these days
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19:57 bartonDND zebra index question ... well actually bib1.att question: do we have any guidelines for bib1 attributes otheer than I notice that we've used some that aren't in there...
19:58 bartonDND are there any broad rules for using attributes that aren't part of the loc spec?
20:06 nengard anyone know if you can query an indicator using the marc modification templates?
20:06 nengard I think not ... but maybe regex
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21:40 wizzyrea callender: hiya, are you planning to come in to catalyst today
21:41 wizzyrea er, ignore that
21:41 wizzyrea because my brain isn't working correctly SORRY
21:45 pianohacker Callender: run away!
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22:23 francesca hey wizzyrea
22:23 wahanui i think wizzyrea is desperate to make a snarky reply here, but I'm not feeling very creative :)
22:24 wizzyrea yeah that's normal lol.
22:24 francesca lol
22:24 francesca have a look at this
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22:39 eythian hi
22:40 francesca hey
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23:27 pianohacker so, two things, one good one confusing
23:27 pianohacker we've got about half our libraries on HEA now
23:27 pianohacker
23:28 pianohacker but the single lonely 4.08 under Version makes me wonder if there's a LLEK library in there...
23:28 rangi i dunno how they would have got the hea stuff to work
23:28 rangi but yeah i noticed that
23:28 rangi i suspect someone migrated from LLEK
23:28 rangi and the version number is still borked
23:29 rangi which means their db probably is
23:29 rangi in some weird state
23:29 rangi
23:29 pianohacker oh god. That's likely :/
23:29 rangi you fullas need to pick a single way to name your country
23:29 rangi :)
23:29 pianohacker pfft
23:30 rangi (must be only the new ones reporting the country)
23:30 pianohacker I don't think any of those are us... I need to talk about setting UsageStatsCountry
23:30 pianohacker because we've got 100+ libraries reporting now :)
23:30 rangi yeah, we should get more of ours reporting too
23:31 rangi but yeah you might want to see if you can find out who the 4.08 one is
23:31 francesca arghhh javascript
23:31 pianohacker hopefully not one of ours!
23:32 rangi LLEK didnt have much reach outside the US .. but it might be one that went self maintained
23:32 pianohacker oh gosh, they wouldn't have gotten DB updates in forever
23:33 rangi yeah
23:33 rangi altho its odd
23:33 rangi hea needs db updates
23:33 rangi iirc
23:36 pianohacker bye all!
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23:41 francesca hey anyone good with javascript?
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23:57 wizzyrea[…]urch&view=gallery < Francesca
23:58 wizzyrea for your granny :)
23:59 francesca thanks, I'll show it to her :)

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