IRC log for #koha, 2015-07-06

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00:03 wizzyrea pst, it's not a secret WHEN YOU TELL ME.
00:03 wizzyrea <3
00:05 eythian it was a stage whisper, you're not supposed to listen. geez!
00:05 wizzyrea < too crafty for you
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01:55 dcook Oh wow... what are the changes
01:55 wahanui the changes are written to the database, but Koha doesn't seem to pick it up...
01:55 dcook changes*
01:55 dcook Chances*
01:55 dcook Couldn't find the bug I wanted to find so I opened up the data file for the #koha scrollback and it happened to be written in the first line of the file!
01:56 * dcook thinks perhaps the universe pities him today
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03:00 eythian > .USER_LOCATION.   |aON-LOAN
03:00 eythian ^-- good work sirsi
03:18 dcook Huh... I didn't recall there being a "datelastborrowered" column
03:18 dcook Shows me
03:19 eythian borrowered?
03:19 dcook It's Monday?
03:19 eythian ah
03:19 dcook datelastborrowed*
03:19 * dcook is pretty sure there isn't a "datelastborrowered" column
03:20 * dcook eyes his second monitor with suspicion
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03:20 AmitG hi all
03:20 AmitG Good morning
03:20 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
03:24 wizzyrea *snerk*
03:25 dcook Oh man... I wrote "datelastborrowered" again in the code...
03:25 * dcook shakes his head a bit
03:30 dcook Would folk find it useful to know "Date last borrowered"* during the inventory?
03:30 dcook *I did that one on purpose
03:30 dcook That could make for faster weeding...
03:30 dcook Download the list, filter based on that field..
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03:52 wizzyrea dcook: have you looked at the "super weeder" report from the wiki?
03:52 dcook Nopes
03:52 dcook I had thought about writing a report, but I do like the idea of using the inventory directly
03:52 wizzyrea well I was just using that as an example of things people might care about on an inventory
03:53 dcook Ahh, cool :)
03:53 dcook Hmm, I'm not seeing it on the wiki?
03:54 dcook Ahh
03:54 dcook SuperWeeder
03:54 dcook "Weeding tool, we call this the SuperWeeder because it includes all sorts of data to help in decision making"
04:21 eythian >     'fk' => \$fk_off,
04:21 eythian ^-- "foreign key", sure...
04:28 dcook :o
04:43 eythian _so_many_things_ are using SimpleSearch just to see if something exists, which involves moving all the results from the search engine to Koha, and then dropping them. What a waste of CPU.
04:46 wizzyrea also, making ajax anything that shows "processing" makes people think "this is slow"
04:47 eythian yeah
04:47 dcook yep
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05:01 indradg good morning #koha
05:10 AmitG hi
05:10 AmitG indradg
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06:42 reiveune hello
06:42 wahanui hola, reiveune
06:42 marcelr hi #koha reiveune
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07:02 alex_a bonjour
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07:08 AmitG heya alex_a
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07:15 gaetan_B hello
07:15 wahanui salut, gaetan_B
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08:07 drojf morning
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08:32 kivilahtio morning
09:12 drojf a quiet morning
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10:01 kivilahtio not for me :)
10:29 drojf kivilahtio: i meant in here ;)
10:31 kivilahtio drojf: maybe you can sign off a bug then?
10:31 kivilahtio drojf: not necessarily one of mine, but I am sure you can find one :)
10:41 drojf kivilahtio: nice try :D quiet here on irc, still busy in the home office. probably no koha playtime before friday
10:57 drojf later #koha
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12:47 * cait waces
12:47 * cait waves
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12:47 cait @wunder Konstanz
12:47 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 29.5°C (2:47 PM CEST on July 06, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
12:49 cait not too bad
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12:58 khall morning!
12:58 khall cait can you weight in on bug 9011?
12:58 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item
12:58 cait khall: sorry i haven't gotten too much recently :(
12:58 cait i hope to do some tomorrow or later tonight - but i have to leave in a few minutes
12:59 khall that's ok, it shouldn't take you more than a minute or two when you get to it. Thanks!
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12:59 mario morning
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13:05 cait khall: i have seen it, but not sure what's best - i will try to take a closer look
13:06 khall ok. thanks! The issue you had with the first version was basically that we already had the data, so why store it twice? We now have an answer to that question ; )
13:07 cait i am still wondering if we can do a trick to speed it up a bit
13:08 cait keeping the item data clean of borrower information
13:08 cait that's also a patron privacy issue for me - spreading that data there
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13:54 misilot is there a command line interface to the inventory tool? :)
14:16 misilot thanks barton for looking into my overdue notice issue :)
14:17 barton misilot thanks for *solving* your overdue notice issue ;-) ;-) ;-)
14:18 misilot barton: it was one of those ah ha moments when I found a date difference calculator and it had the option to not count weekends
14:19 barton fwiw, I have a second ticket open for the same issue, so you may have killed more than one bird with that stone.
14:20 barton regarding command line interface for the inventory tool: I don't think that there is, but you can import a spreadsheet...
14:21 misilot barton: it times out (i think it might be because I had so many items that I am trying to inventory currently checked out)
14:21 barton hmm.
14:22 misilot i have a *user* with 963 check outs
14:22 misilot with a good portion of these probably that have been inventoried
14:22 barton wow.
14:22 misilot it's how we used to protect items
14:22 misilot from being deleted
14:23 barton aha. that makes a certain amount of sense.
14:23 misilot and/or use what's checked out to mass delete
14:23 misilot when doing mass weeding of collections
14:23 misilot now it's the fun part, inventory what's left (catalog what's not already catalog but we kept) and delete the rest
14:28 misilot woohooo everything checked in :)
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14:36 barton misilot: in an ideal world all of Koha's functionality would be encapsulated in APIs, so that the controller layer was a very think wrapper, and the same API calls could be used to drive command line utilities. ashimema pointed me toward some of the mojolicious command line utlities, which IIRC leverage mojo's routing into command line options, but I haven't played with it yet.
14:37 misilot :)
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14:38 barton ... it's definitely a direction that I think that a lot of the koha developers are interested in going (not necessarily the command line utilities per se, but definitely moving as much functionality into libraries as possible)... but it's going to take time.
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15:26 reiveune bye
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16:44 kivilahtio ashimema: akafred: Made a page object pattern specification
16:44 kivilahtio[…]/edit?usp=sharing
16:53 kivilahtio related to Bug 14495
16:53 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14495 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , WebDriver/WebTester Factory for easy generation of Web testing UserAgents.
17:06 gaetan_B bye
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20:13 rangi morning
20:15 Dyrcona afternoon
20:15 wahanui afternoon is good
20:18 cait morning
20:23 nengard hola #koha
20:23 cait hola nengard
20:28 rangi oh a couple of new devs
20:29 rangi Eivin Giske Skaaren and Samanta Tello
20:29 cait swedish and argentinian
20:41 rangi nice
20:42 rangi i think there may have been stefan weil too
20:42 rangi probably need to update the history
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21:24 wizzyrea yay new developers, a chance to check (again) that the auto-updater for the website works!
21:30 pianohacker cait: just responded to bug 11559, not sure if I explained myself well :)
21:30 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface
21:30 cait hm i get the idea i think
21:31 cait which fields show up in the editor by default - only mandatory?
21:31 pianohacker cait: on a new record, yes
21:31 pianohacker since you can type in whatever tags wherever you want :)
21:31 cait hmm then it makes sense
21:32 cait i know in horizon you coudl kinda build a framework
21:32 pianohacker yeah, record templates are something that have been requested
21:32 pianohacker on the, well, horizon :)
21:32 cait so then there i'd expect the default values
21:32 cait hm
21:32 cait i think you make sense :)
21:33 cait although it would be cool to build templates
21:33 cait i mean... that's what we currently have, but they work differently
21:34 pianohacker yeah, that's the issue. The frameworks are necessary, but rancor uses them very very differently
21:34 cait and using the current configuration for the new editor i can't imagine would work well
21:34 pianohacker yeah
21:34 cait you'd just wnat a few defaults, but not necessarily all visible in the framework
21:35 cait because visible currently means something different... that it's available at all
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21:35 cait yeah i think it makes sense to me how you do it now - i have no better idea :)
21:35 pianohacker Exactly, yeah. And rancor ignores that completely at present (including the 999, which can't actually be corrupted but which I'd like to hide)
21:36 pianohacker There's very tricky programming issues behind synchronizing information between hidden and non-hidden subfields on the same field, so at present Rancor shows everything
21:37 pianohacker which matches its general motto of offering the cataloger control, but...
21:37 pianohacker glad to hear you agree, though. Thanks for the feedback, cait :)
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23:32 cait @wunder Konstanz
23:32 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 23.1°C (1:31 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
23:35 eythian hi cait
23:35 eythian snow is forecast for here today, which is a very different thing from 23.1°
23:36 eythian @wunder nzwn
23:36 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
23:36 cait it feels warmer than that. can't sleep
23:38 eythian it sounds enterprisey
23:38 eythian[…]arron/figure2.png <-- especially with that picture
23:39 eythian > After Chicago went live, they were restarting the application regularly during the working day because it kept crashing.
23:39 eythian that sure does sound enterprise alright
23:39 rangi i think there conclusions are wrong
23:40 eythian > By go-live, we had an optimum server specification that didn’t crash with concurrent users: 8-cores, 64GB RAM, and two hard-drive partitions of 32GB for boot and 128GB for the application. Crucially we also increased the RAM allocated to Java for running Tomcat: from 3GB to 16GB.
23:40 eythian bloody ell
23:40 rangi i dont think you can say this Large-scale open-source implementation is challenging. FOSS requires a trade-off of convenience for control.
23:40 rangi when all you have down is implement one FOSS system
23:40 rangi done even
23:41 eythian also, if they're the third library in the world to implement it, I don't see how they could possibly expect it to not be buggy.
23:41 rangi *nod*
23:41 wizzyrea these are excellent points.
23:42 rangi you're a uni, you should understand sample size ... a sample size of 1 .. ... not the best
23:43 * wizzyrea wonders how many devs they've got going on that at one time.
23:43 wizzyrea I suspect not many.
23:44 rangi i feel like it's massively overengineered
23:44 rangi "The real problem is that programmers have spent far too much time worrying about efficiency in the wrong places and at the wrong times; premature optimization is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming. " :)
23:46 cait where is that quote from?
23:46 rangi donald knuth
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23:46 rangi in his i think 2nd book
23:46 eythian hello papa
23:46 eythian rangi: it's in the shelf beside you
23:47 rangi Computer Programming as an Art
23:49 cdickinson @wunder nzwn
23:49 huginn` cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (11:30 AM NZST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising).
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