Time Nick Message 00:03 wizzyrea pst, it's not a secret WHEN YOU TELL ME. 00:03 wizzyrea <3 00:05 eythian it was a stage whisper, you're not supposed to listen. geez! 00:05 wizzyrea < too crafty for you 01:55 dcook Oh wow... what are the changes 01:55 wahanui the changes are written to the database, but Koha doesn't seem to pick it up... 01:55 dcook changes* 01:55 dcook Chances* 01:55 dcook Couldn't find the bug I wanted to find so I opened up the data file for the #koha scrollback and it happened to be written in the first line of the file! 01:56 * dcook thinks perhaps the universe pities him today 03:00 eythian > .USER_LOCATION. |aON-LOAN 03:00 eythian ^-- good work sirsi 03:18 dcook Huh... I didn't recall there being a "datelastborrowered" column 03:18 dcook Shows me 03:19 eythian borrowered? 03:19 dcook It's Monday? 03:19 eythian ah 03:19 dcook datelastborrowed* 03:19 * dcook is pretty sure there isn't a "datelastborrowered" column 03:20 * dcook eyes his second monitor with suspicion 03:20 AmitG hi all 03:20 AmitG Good morning 03:20 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 03:24 wizzyrea *snerk* 03:25 dcook Oh man... I wrote "datelastborrowered" again in the code... 03:25 * dcook shakes his head a bit 03:30 dcook Would folk find it useful to know "Date last borrowered"* during the inventory? 03:30 dcook *I did that one on purpose 03:30 dcook That could make for faster weeding... 03:30 dcook Download the list, filter based on that field.. 03:52 wizzyrea dcook: have you looked at the "super weeder" report from the wiki? 03:52 dcook Nopes 03:52 dcook I had thought about writing a report, but I do like the idea of using the inventory directly 03:52 wizzyrea well I was just using that as an example of things people might care about on an inventory 03:53 dcook Ahh, cool :) 03:53 dcook Hmm, I'm not seeing it on the wiki? 03:54 dcook Ahh 03:54 dcook SuperWeeder 03:54 dcook "Weeding tool, we call this the SuperWeeder because it includes all sorts of data to help in decision making" 04:21 eythian > 'fk' => \$fk_off, 04:21 eythian ^-- "foreign key", sure... 04:28 dcook :o 04:43 eythian _so_many_things_ are using SimpleSearch just to see if something exists, which involves moving all the results from the search engine to Koha, and then dropping them. What a waste of CPU. 04:46 wizzyrea also, making ajax anything that shows "processing" makes people think "this is slow" 04:47 eythian yeah 04:47 dcook yep 05:01 indradg good morning #koha 05:10 AmitG hi 05:10 AmitG indradg 06:42 reiveune hello 06:42 wahanui hola, reiveune 06:42 marcelr hi #koha reiveune 07:02 alex_a bonjour 07:08 AmitG heya alex_a 07:15 gaetan_B hello 07:15 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 08:07 drojf morning 08:32 kivilahtio morning 09:12 drojf a quiet morning 10:01 kivilahtio not for me :) 10:29 drojf kivilahtio: i meant in here ;) 10:31 kivilahtio drojf: maybe you can sign off a bug then? 10:31 kivilahtio drojf: not necessarily one of mine, but I am sure you can find one :) 10:41 drojf kivilahtio: nice try :D quiet here on irc, still busy in the home office. probably no koha playtime before friday 10:57 drojf later #koha 12:47 * cait waces 12:47 * cait waves 12:47 cait @wunder Konstanz 12:47 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 29.5°C (2:47 PM CEST on July 06, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 12:49 cait not too bad 12:58 khall morning! 12:58 khall cait can you weight in on bug 9011? 12:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item 12:58 cait khall: sorry i haven't gotten too much recently :( 12:58 cait i hope to do some tomorrow or later tonight - but i have to leave in a few minutes 12:59 khall that's ok, it shouldn't take you more than a minute or two when you get to it. Thanks! 12:59 mario morning 13:05 cait khall: i have seen it, but not sure what's best - i will try to take a closer look 13:06 khall ok. thanks! The issue you had with the first version was basically that we already had the data, so why store it twice? We now have an answer to that question ; ) 13:07 cait i am still wondering if we can do a trick to speed it up a bit 13:08 cait keeping the item data clean of borrower information 13:08 cait that's also a patron privacy issue for me - spreading that data there 13:54 misilot is there a command line interface to the inventory tool? :) 14:16 misilot thanks barton for looking into my overdue notice issue :) 14:17 barton misilot thanks for *solving* your overdue notice issue ;-) ;-) ;-) 14:18 misilot barton: it was one of those ah ha moments when I found a date difference calculator and it had the option to not count weekends 14:19 barton fwiw, I have a second ticket open for the same issue, so you may have killed more than one bird with that stone. 14:20 barton regarding command line interface for the inventory tool: I don't think that there is, but you can import a spreadsheet... 14:21 misilot barton: it times out (i think it might be because I had so many items that I am trying to inventory currently checked out) 14:21 barton hmm. 14:22 misilot i have a *user* with 963 check outs 14:22 misilot with a good portion of these probably that have been inventoried 14:22 barton wow. 14:22 misilot it's how we used to protect items 14:22 misilot from being deleted 14:23 barton aha. that makes a certain amount of sense. 14:23 misilot and/or use what's checked out to mass delete 14:23 misilot when doing mass weeding of collections 14:23 misilot now it's the fun part, inventory what's left (catalog what's not already catalog but we kept) and delete the rest 14:28 misilot woohooo everything checked in :) 14:36 barton misilot: in an ideal world all of Koha's functionality would be encapsulated in APIs, so that the controller layer was a very think wrapper, and the same API calls could be used to drive command line utilities. ashimema pointed me toward some of the mojolicious command line utlities, which IIRC leverage mojo's routing into command line options, but I haven't played with it yet. 14:37 misilot :) 14:38 barton ... it's definitely a direction that I think that a lot of the koha developers are interested in going (not necessarily the command line utilities per se, but definitely moving as much functionality into libraries as possible)... but it's going to take time. 15:26 reiveune bye 16:44 kivilahtio ashimema: akafred: Made a page object pattern specification 16:44 kivilahtio https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1k_y1YZi72UFxlVEDpqINT68TGQBEy-f2ZkTGLpMcTJU/edit?usp=sharing 16:53 kivilahtio related to Bug 14495 16:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14495 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , WebDriver/WebTester Factory for easy generation of Web testing UserAgents. 17:06 gaetan_B bye 20:13 rangi morning 20:15 Dyrcona afternoon 20:15 wahanui afternoon is good 20:18 cait morning 20:23 nengard hola #koha 20:23 cait hola nengard 20:28 rangi oh a couple of new devs 20:29 rangi Eivin Giske Skaaren and Samanta Tello 20:29 cait swedish and argentinian 20:41 rangi nice 20:42 rangi i think there may have been stefan weil too 20:42 rangi probably need to update the history 21:24 wizzyrea yay new developers, a chance to check (again) that the auto-updater for the website works! 21:30 pianohacker cait: just responded to bug 11559, not sure if I explained myself well :) 21:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface 21:30 cait hm i get the idea i think 21:31 cait which fields show up in the editor by default - only mandatory? 21:31 pianohacker cait: on a new record, yes 21:31 pianohacker since you can type in whatever tags wherever you want :) 21:31 cait hmm then it makes sense 21:32 cait i know in horizon you coudl kinda build a framework 21:32 pianohacker yeah, record templates are something that have been requested 21:32 pianohacker on the, well, horizon :) 21:32 cait so then there i'd expect the default values 21:32 cait hm 21:32 cait i think you make sense :) 21:33 cait although it would be cool to build templates 21:33 cait i mean... that's what we currently have, but they work differently 21:34 pianohacker yeah, that's the issue. The frameworks are necessary, but rancor uses them very very differently 21:34 cait and using the current configuration for the new editor i can't imagine would work well 21:34 pianohacker yeah 21:34 cait you'd just wnat a few defaults, but not necessarily all visible in the framework 21:35 cait because visible currently means something different... that it's available at all 21:35 cait yeah i think it makes sense to me how you do it now - i have no better idea :) 21:35 pianohacker Exactly, yeah. And rancor ignores that completely at present (including the 999, which can't actually be corrupted but which I'd like to hide) 21:36 pianohacker There's very tricky programming issues behind synchronizing information between hidden and non-hidden subfields on the same field, so at present Rancor shows everything 21:37 pianohacker which matches its general motto of offering the cataloger control, but... 21:37 pianohacker glad to hear you agree, though. Thanks for the feedback, cait :) 23:32 cait @wunder Konstanz 23:32 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 23.1°C (1:31 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 23:35 eythian hi cait 23:35 eythian snow is forecast for here today, which is a very different thing from 23.1° 23:36 eythian @wunder nzwn 23:36 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 23:36 cait it feels warmer than that. can't sleep 23:37 cait [off] interesting read about one of the first Kuali OLE implementations - http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue74/barron 23:38 eythian it sounds enterprisey 23:38 eythian http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/sites/default/files/issue74/barron/figure2.png <-- especially with that picture 23:39 eythian > After Chicago went live, they were restarting the application regularly during the working day because it kept crashing. 23:39 eythian that sure does sound enterprise alright 23:39 rangi i think there conclusions are wrong 23:40 eythian > By go-live, we had an optimum server specification that didn’t crash with concurrent users: 8-cores, 64GB RAM, and two hard-drive partitions of 32GB for boot and 128GB for the application. Crucially we also increased the RAM allocated to Java for running Tomcat: from 3GB to 16GB. 23:40 eythian bloody ell 23:40 rangi i dont think you can say this Large-scale open-source implementation is challenging. FOSS requires a trade-off of convenience for control. 23:40 rangi when all you have down is implement one FOSS system 23:40 rangi done even 23:41 eythian also, if they're the third library in the world to implement it, I don't see how they could possibly expect it to not be buggy. 23:41 rangi *nod* 23:41 wizzyrea these are excellent points. 23:42 rangi you're a uni, you should understand sample size ... a sample size of 1 .. ... not the best 23:43 * wizzyrea wonders how many devs they've got going on that at one time. 23:43 wizzyrea I suspect not many. 23:44 rangi i feel like it's massively overengineered 23:44 rangi "The real problem is that programmers have spent far too much time worrying about efficiency in the wrong places and at the wrong times; premature optimization is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming. " :) 23:46 cait where is that quote from? 23:46 rangi donald knuth 23:46 rangi in his i think 2nd book 23:46 eythian hello papa 23:46 eythian rangi: it's in the shelf beside you 23:47 rangi Computer Programming as an Art 23:49 cdickinson @wunder nzwn 23:49 huginn` cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (11:30 AM NZST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising).