Time Nick Message 23:49 huginn` cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (11:30 AM NZST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). 23:49 cdickinson @wunder nzwn 23:47 rangi Computer Programming as an Art 23:46 eythian rangi: it's in the shelf beside you 23:46 eythian hello papa 23:46 rangi in his i think 2nd book 23:46 rangi donald knuth 23:46 cait where is that quote from? 23:44 rangi "The real problem is that programmers have spent far too much time worrying about efficiency in the wrong places and at the wrong times; premature optimization is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming. " :) 23:44 rangi i feel like it's massively overengineered 23:43 wizzyrea I suspect not many. 23:43 * wizzyrea wonders how many devs they've got going on that at one time. 23:42 rangi you're a uni, you should understand sample size ... a sample size of 1 .. ... not the best 23:41 wizzyrea these are excellent points. 23:41 rangi *nod* 23:41 eythian also, if they're the third library in the world to implement it, I don't see how they could possibly expect it to not be buggy. 23:40 rangi done even 23:40 rangi when all you have down is implement one FOSS system 23:40 rangi i dont think you can say this Large-scale open-source implementation is challenging. FOSS requires a trade-off of convenience for control. 23:40 eythian bloody ell 23:40 eythian > By go-live, we had an optimum server specification that didn’t crash with concurrent users: 8-cores, 64GB RAM, and two hard-drive partitions of 32GB for boot and 128GB for the application. Crucially we also increased the RAM allocated to Java for running Tomcat: from 3GB to 16GB. 23:39 rangi i think there conclusions are wrong 23:39 eythian that sure does sound enterprise alright 23:39 eythian > After Chicago went live, they were restarting the application regularly during the working day because it kept crashing. 23:38 eythian http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/sites/default/files/issue74/barron/figure2.png <-- especially with that picture 23:38 eythian it sounds enterprisey 23:37 cait [off] interesting read about one of the first Kuali OLE implementations - http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue74/barron 23:36 cait it feels warmer than that. can't sleep 23:36 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 23:36 eythian @wunder nzwn 23:35 eythian snow is forecast for here today, which is a very different thing from 23.1° 23:35 eythian hi cait 23:32 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 23.1°C (1:31 AM CEST on July 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 23:32 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:37 pianohacker glad to hear you agree, though. Thanks for the feedback, cait :) 21:37 pianohacker which matches its general motto of offering the cataloger control, but... 21:36 pianohacker There's very tricky programming issues behind synchronizing information between hidden and non-hidden subfields on the same field, so at present Rancor shows everything 21:35 pianohacker Exactly, yeah. And rancor ignores that completely at present (including the 999, which can't actually be corrupted but which I'd like to hide) 21:35 cait yeah i think it makes sense to me how you do it now - i have no better idea :) 21:35 cait because visible currently means something different... that it's available at all 21:34 cait you'd just wnat a few defaults, but not necessarily all visible in the framework 21:34 pianohacker yeah 21:34 cait and using the current configuration for the new editor i can't imagine would work well 21:34 pianohacker yeah, that's the issue. The frameworks are necessary, but rancor uses them very very differently 21:33 cait i mean... that's what we currently have, but they work differently 21:33 cait although it would be cool to build templates 21:32 cait i think you make sense :) 21:32 cait hm 21:32 cait so then there i'd expect the default values 21:32 pianohacker on the, well, horizon :) 21:32 pianohacker yeah, record templates are something that have been requested 21:32 cait i know in horizon you coudl kinda build a framework 21:31 cait hmm then it makes sense 21:31 pianohacker since you can type in whatever tags wherever you want :) 21:31 pianohacker cait: on a new record, yes 21:31 cait which fields show up in the editor by default - only mandatory? 21:30 cait hm i get the idea i think 21:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface 21:30 pianohacker cait: just responded to bug 11559, not sure if I explained myself well :) 21:24 wizzyrea yay new developers, a chance to check (again) that the auto-updater for the website works! 20:42 rangi probably need to update the history 20:42 rangi i think there may have been stefan weil too 20:41 rangi nice 20:29 cait swedish and argentinian 20:29 rangi Eivin Giske Skaaren and Samanta Tello 20:28 rangi oh a couple of new devs 20:23 cait hola nengard 20:23 nengard hola #koha 20:18 cait morning 20:15 wahanui afternoon is good 20:15 Dyrcona afternoon 20:13 rangi morning 17:06 gaetan_B bye 16:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14495 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , WebDriver/WebTester Factory for easy generation of Web testing UserAgents. 16:53 kivilahtio related to Bug 14495 16:44 kivilahtio https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1k_y1YZi72UFxlVEDpqINT68TGQBEy-f2ZkTGLpMcTJU/edit?usp=sharing 16:44 kivilahtio ashimema: akafred: Made a page object pattern specification 15:26 reiveune bye 14:38 barton ... it's definitely a direction that I think that a lot of the koha developers are interested in going (not necessarily the command line utilities per se, but definitely moving as much functionality into libraries as possible)... but it's going to take time. 14:37 misilot :) 14:36 barton misilot: in an ideal world all of Koha's functionality would be encapsulated in APIs, so that the controller layer was a very think wrapper, and the same API calls could be used to drive command line utilities. ashimema pointed me toward some of the mojolicious command line utlities, which IIRC leverage mojo's routing into command line options, but I haven't played with it yet. 14:28 misilot woohooo everything checked in :) 14:23 misilot now it's the fun part, inventory what's left (catalog what's not already catalog but we kept) and delete the rest 14:23 misilot when doing mass weeding of collections 14:23 misilot and/or use what's checked out to mass delete 14:23 barton aha. that makes a certain amount of sense. 14:22 misilot from being deleted 14:22 misilot it's how we used to protect items 14:22 barton wow. 14:22 misilot with a good portion of these probably that have been inventoried 14:22 misilot i have a *user* with 963 check outs 14:21 barton hmm. 14:21 misilot barton: it times out (i think it might be because I had so many items that I am trying to inventory currently checked out) 14:20 barton regarding command line interface for the inventory tool: I don't think that there is, but you can import a spreadsheet... 14:19 barton fwiw, I have a second ticket open for the same issue, so you may have killed more than one bird with that stone. 14:18 misilot barton: it was one of those ah ha moments when I found a date difference calculator and it had the option to not count weekends 14:17 barton misilot thanks for *solving* your overdue notice issue ;-) ;-) ;-) 14:16 misilot thanks barton for looking into my overdue notice issue :) 13:54 misilot is there a command line interface to the inventory tool? :) 13:08 cait that's also a patron privacy issue for me - spreading that data there 13:08 cait keeping the item data clean of borrower information 13:07 cait i am still wondering if we can do a trick to speed it up a bit 13:06 khall ok. thanks! The issue you had with the first version was basically that we already had the data, so why store it twice? We now have an answer to that question ; ) 13:05 cait khall: i have seen it, but not sure what's best - i will try to take a closer look 12:59 mario morning 12:59 khall that's ok, it shouldn't take you more than a minute or two when you get to it. Thanks! 12:58 cait i hope to do some tomorrow or later tonight - but i have to leave in a few minutes 12:58 cait khall: sorry i haven't gotten too much recently :( 12:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item 12:58 khall cait can you weight in on bug 9011? 12:58 khall morning! 12:49 cait not too bad 12:47 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 29.5°C (2:47 PM CEST on July 06, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 12:47 cait @wunder Konstanz 12:47 * cait waves 12:47 * cait waces 10:57 drojf later #koha 10:41 drojf kivilahtio: nice try :D quiet here on irc, still busy in the home office. probably no koha playtime before friday 10:31 kivilahtio drojf: not necessarily one of mine, but I am sure you can find one :) 10:31 kivilahtio drojf: maybe you can sign off a bug then? 10:29 drojf kivilahtio: i meant in here ;) 10:01 kivilahtio not for me :) 09:12 drojf a quiet morning 08:32 kivilahtio morning 08:07 drojf morning 07:15 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 07:15 gaetan_B hello 07:08 AmitG heya alex_a 07:02 alex_a bonjour 06:42 marcelr hi #koha reiveune 06:42 wahanui hola, reiveune 06:42 reiveune hello 05:10 AmitG indradg 05:10 AmitG hi 05:01 indradg good morning #koha 04:47 dcook yep 04:47 eythian yeah 04:46 wizzyrea also, making ajax anything that shows "processing" makes people think "this is slow" 04:43 eythian _so_many_things_ are using SimpleSearch just to see if something exists, which involves moving all the results from the search engine to Koha, and then dropping them. What a waste of CPU. 04:28 dcook :o 04:21 eythian ^-- "foreign key", sure... 04:21 eythian > 'fk' => \$fk_off, 03:54 dcook "Weeding tool, we call this the SuperWeeder because it includes all sorts of data to help in decision making" 03:54 dcook SuperWeeder 03:54 dcook Ahh 03:53 dcook Hmm, I'm not seeing it on the wiki? 03:53 dcook Ahh, cool :) 03:52 wizzyrea well I was just using that as an example of things people might care about on an inventory 03:52 dcook I had thought about writing a report, but I do like the idea of using the inventory directly 03:52 dcook Nopes 03:52 wizzyrea dcook: have you looked at the "super weeder" report from the wiki? 03:30 dcook Download the list, filter based on that field.. 03:30 dcook That could make for faster weeding... 03:30 dcook *I did that one on purpose 03:30 dcook Would folk find it useful to know "Date last borrowered"* during the inventory? 03:25 * dcook shakes his head a bit 03:25 dcook Oh man... I wrote "datelastborrowered" again in the code... 03:24 wizzyrea *snerk* 03:20 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 03:20 AmitG Good morning 03:20 AmitG hi all 03:20 * dcook eyes his second monitor with suspicion 03:19 * dcook is pretty sure there isn't a "datelastborrowered" column 03:19 dcook datelastborrowed* 03:19 eythian ah 03:19 dcook It's Monday? 03:19 eythian borrowered? 03:18 dcook Shows me 03:18 dcook Huh... I didn't recall there being a "datelastborrowered" column 03:00 eythian ^-- good work sirsi 03:00 eythian > .USER_LOCATION. |aON-LOAN 01:56 * dcook thinks perhaps the universe pities him today 01:55 dcook Couldn't find the bug I wanted to find so I opened up the data file for the #koha scrollback and it happened to be written in the first line of the file! 01:55 dcook Chances* 01:55 dcook changes* 01:55 wahanui the changes are written to the database, but Koha doesn't seem to pick it up... 01:55 dcook Oh wow... what are the changes 00:05 wizzyrea < too crafty for you 00:05 eythian it was a stage whisper, you're not supposed to listen. geez! 00:03 wizzyrea <3 00:03 wizzyrea pst, it's not a secret WHEN YOU TELL ME.