IRC log for #koha, 2015-05-27

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01:38 mtj hey #koha, how do people feel about a general effort to get the koha tools to work with a gitifyed setup
01:39 eythian mtj: you mean the koha- commands?
01:39 eythian or some other tools?
01:39 mtj yeah, those
01:39 wahanui yeah, those are pretty good pronounciations :-)
01:40 eythian wizzyrea and I have been talking about it, had some plans. Just haven't done any implementation yet.
01:40 mtj they all seem to assume that koha is installed in /usr/share/koha
01:40 eythian they do, yeah
01:42 mtj we need to get them using a better PERL5LIB path
01:44 eythian that'd be the best place to start. we were thinking of perhaps adding a library path type thing to koha-conf, and then have a function that lets you set your PERL5LIB based on the instance name
01:46 mtj nice
01:47 mtj i went looking... there doesnt seem to be a canonical place for that
01:48 eythian there isn't, one would have to be created
01:49 mtj there is one set in each apache.conf
01:49 mtj SetEnv PERL5LIB "/home/mason/g/k/3.16.x"
01:49 mtj thats about as good as it gets, currently
01:49 eythian yeah. It's also be possible to pull it from there, just a bit less elegant.
01:50 eythian on the other hand, defining it in one place probably outweights that.
01:51 mtj hmm, interesting to think that a koha cant deterine that info itself
01:52 eythian that's a bootstrap problem.
01:52 eythian i.e. it can tell its path when it's running, but then it's too late to change it as it's running
01:53 mtj the other subtle gotcha is that the 'lib' dir is in a diff. place in a git install
01:54 mtj koha/C4 vs koha/lib/C4
01:54 eythian yeah
01:54 eythian that's not a big deal though
01:55 mtj yeah
01:55 eythian if we're just setting PERL5LIB
02:00 mtj hmm, something to think about
02:01 eythian definitely on my want-to-do list, but not very near the top right now :/
02:03 mtj ive been thinking about a handy troubleshooting tool for koha...
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02:03 mtj ..something that attempts to find out a bunch of useful info about a koha instance
02:04 BobB hi
02:04 kathryn hello :)
02:05 BobB kathryn! hello
02:05 BobB all good?
02:05 kathryn yes thanks bobb , baby's asleep, I'm working!
02:05 kathryn I'll send you and Irma a photo
02:06 BobB seize the moment  :)
02:06 BobB yes pls do
02:06 mtj hey BobB, kathryn
02:06 BobB congratulations from both of us
02:06 kathryn thank you bobb
02:06 BobB kathryn, not you mtj  :)
02:06 mtj kathryn, congrats too :0)
02:06 kathryn hi mtj :)
02:08 kathryn thanks mtj
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02:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:59 mtompset aleisha: Was that you commenting on bug 14113? :)
02:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14113 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Silence warnings t/Date.t
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02:59 mtompset Greetings, indradg. :)
03:15 aleisha yes that was me mtompset
03:15 mtompset I've posted a revision worthy of testing now. :)
03:15 aleisha i'll test now :)
03:16 mtompset I had a newbie mistake: parameters backwards SUBSTR, STR vs. STR, SUBSTR.
03:17 aleisha ooh failed to merge
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03:31 AmitG hi indradg
03:45 mtompset failed to merge?
03:45 mtompset What are you talking about aleisha?
03:45 aleisha mtompset that's my own error don't worry
03:45 mtompset And what OS are you using to test bug 14121?
03:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14121 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Silence warnings t/db_dependent/Auth_with_cas.t
03:47 mtompset Have you done a git fetch, git merge lately?
03:47 aleisha yeah just been doing stuff another branch and messed it up a little bit
04:06 mtompset Well, I need to be conscious enough to get my wife in the morning. Have a great day, #koha.
04:34 indradg hi AmitG
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05:29 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha
05:29 mveron @wunder Allschwil
05:29 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 7.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on May 27, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
05:30 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:30 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on May 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
05:30 eythian hmm, I'm surprised it's that warm here.
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05:31 * mveron would appreciate a higher temperature here...
05:36 cait hi mveron :)
05:36 mveron hi cait :-)
05:36 eythian hi cait
05:36 cait hi eythian :)
05:36 cait what did you do in mannheim?
05:37 eythian a family friend lives near there, I must have been visiting her.
05:38 cait ah, amkes sense :)
05:38 cait the spreadsheet one?
05:38 eythian yeah :)
05:39 cait :)
05:44 cait eythian: was thinkingof you yesterday - we were at a rustic place here in nürnberg, selling lots of different bears, even some smoked ones
05:45 eythian you're allowed to sell bears there?
05:45 eythian though, smoked beers are pretty nice :)
05:47 cait hmpf
06:04 cait time for breakfast and conf - bye #koha
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06:42 reiveune hello
06:42 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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06:51 drojf morning #koha
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06:57 alex_a bonjour
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07:15 xarragon I am adding tests to a bugticket with an existing patch. Can that be an additional patch on top of it, or is it better merged together?
07:18 BobB xarragon I am not a developer but I understand they should be separate, not merged
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07:22 xarragon BobB: Ah, well I guess I can just check the gitlogs.
07:23 Viktor Greetings #koha
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07:24 xarragon BobB: It might actually say in the code style guide when I think about it.
07:24 BobB yes, good point
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07:31 gaetan_B hello
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07:47 xarragon I am writing a database test.. I need to add a borrwer as a test, is there any best practices to avoid colliding with existing data in the database?
07:48 xarragon The existing code does something similar, querying for a branch name via SELECT and then adding one with a simple name.
07:50 xarragon I am simply duplicating that now, extending it to the foreignly linked tables. But maybe there are specially reserved names or the like for testing purposes, to avoid collisions?
08:10 gaetan_B who is using mod_perl on koha installs?
08:20 Joubu If someone wants to use master, please make the following changes to C4/
08:20 Joubu -        my $aref = eval {$xsub};
08:20 Joubu +        my $aref = eval $xsub;
08:21 Joubu xarragon: do you know how DB dependent tests work?
08:22 Joubu xarragon: you can use TestBuilder to generate random data for tests
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08:23 Joubu have a look at Bug 14045 for an example
08:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout
08:23 Joubu see[…]ment.cgi?id=39147 /search for TooMany.t
08:38 xarragon Joubu: No, so far I have just tested using my own Koha install and manually setting up dbs with kohastructure.sql loaded into them to do basic testing of any changes.
08:41 xarragon Joubu: Thanks for all the pointers; If I am messing with the db schema I need to be very careful about what I do and what effects it has.
08:41 Joubu xarragon: ok, it should be ok. I use the DB generated by the script on bug 10337. It will create quickly a valid DB
08:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , UT: The unit tests cannot be launched by everyone
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09:36 xarragon Joubu: The example you pointed me to has exactly what I need, fake borrowers. Awesome.
10:23 magnuse @marc 952 p
10:23 huginn magnuse: unknown field/subfield combination (952/p)
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11:21 marcelr hi #koha
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12:13 barton morning all!
12:19 barton I've got an issue with a koha installation that was upgraded to 3.18 over the weekend... they use the 'zh-Hans-TW' language pack, and text on several pages isn't rendering correctly. see for example.
12:20 barton We've re-built the language pack, to no avail.
12:20 magnuse wow, that looks pretty broken...
12:20 magnuse what was it upgraded from?
12:20 magnuse and does it affect all pages or just some
12:21 barton Off hand, I'm not sure, but probably 3.16.
12:25 magnuse it just struck me that bug 11944 might for some reason clash with this one language - but that is just a hunch
12:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
12:26 barton hmmm... good point.
12:26 magnuse and does it look like this on every page, both opac and intranet?
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12:29 magnuse hm, I can't get 'zh-Hans-TW' to show up anywhere after i install it
12:30 barton I've been cruising around on their staff client, by and large, it looks ok.
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12:31 barton ... and they've only complained about a couple of pages.
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12:33 tcohen hi
12:33 wahanui salut, tcohen
12:34 tcohen @wunder boo
12:34 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on May 27, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
12:34 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:34 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 13.3°C (9:30 AM ART on May 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
12:34 barton good morning tcohen
12:39 tcohen hi barton
12:46 magnuse tcohen: you win :-)
12:47 magnuse barton: really weird if it is just some pages!
12:47 magnuse tcohen++ for 3.20.0, btw!
12:48 barton tcohen++
12:49 barton magnuse: re-reading the description, it seems that it's the rendering of the checked out items on the circ screen that's causing the issues, and not under all browsers. :-/
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13:02 magnuse barton: ah, so something related to the ajax'ifying of that page, perhaps?
13:05 tcohen eythian++
13:07 misilot Good morning, I was wondering if someone could point me to where the code is for when an item is deleted? (ie what queries are run?) Thanks!
13:07 misilot I guess it might only be morning here
13:08 tcohen misilot: C4/
13:08 tcohen look for "sub DelItem"
13:09 misilot thanks tcohen trying to pin point bug 14205
13:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14205 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Deleting an Item/Record does not remove link to course reserve
13:10 tcohen misilot: that might be a problem with the model
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13:10 tcohen misilot: there should be a constrain preventing that
13:10 tcohen or a cascade delete
13:11 tcohen Joubu: that line *is* reverted
13:14 Joubu tcohen: oops yes, I suppose my repo was not up-to-date :-/
13:15 tcohen Joubu: i'd like to review those patches from Mason, and have them pushed soon. They are good ones.
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13:20 magnuse nengard!
13:20 wahanui nengard is probably the queen of documentation.
13:21 nengard magnuse!
13:21 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
13:21 nengard LOL
13:21 nengard mine is better :)
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13:25 magnuse nah, i always worry about bugs when i eat pizza
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13:29 nengard heheh
13:29 xarragon Anyone knows how the tables are mapped into TestBuilder's names?
13:32 xarragon Ah, it is simply the DBIx class name.
13:32 xarragon Nevermind.
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13:34 misilot thanks tcohen i think it might be the course_reserves table doesn't have a FKC to cascade delete the course item id. (Commented on the ticket) Thank you again!
13:34 magnuse xarragon: you're welcome ;-)
13:39 tcohen misilot: u r welcome
13:40 xarragon I am not very familiar with DBIx unfortunately. It seems like it generates PM with schema info, and this info is taken from the database. And that is why, to change the schema, the changes are only needed in atomicupdate and kohastructure.sql?
13:41 xarragon Or are there two definitions in paralllel during the transition to DBIx?
13:41 xarragon spelling++ there on the 'L's
13:42 xarragon Might as well learn it.. But I have a schema change, presently in SQL.. Which might be rewritten in DBIx if I need to learn it.
13:44 magnuse xarragon: yes, the .pm files are generated from the database
13:44 magnuse there is a script for that
13:45 magnuse[…]
13:46 magnuse that generates the files in Koha/Schema/Result/*.pm
13:46 xarragon magnuse: Any other way of changing the schema, other than editing the kohastruct.sql (and the atomic update)?
13:47 xarragon (just curious, since it sounded in a comment on the ticket that it might be possile)
13:47 magnuse no, those are the ways to get db changes into koha
13:47 magnuse (you could always mess with your database tables, but i assume that is not what you mean)
13:48 * magnuse wanders off to cook some whale
13:49 xarragon magnuse: Ok, thanks
13:51 tcohen xarragon: I suggest that you create a dbic database, which you can drop/create
13:51 tcohen in which you load kohastructure.sql
13:51 tcohen and then run misc/devel/ -db_name dbic
13:51 paul_p hi tcohen = about plack patch you just talked of with Jul = have you seen his mail on koha-devel. Worth taking it in account !
13:52 tcohen mod_perl?
13:53 Jul tcohen, No (wrong Julian ^^), Subject : Improving Plack intranet performances (circulation module)
13:55 tcohen ah, yes
13:55 tcohen with dobrica we included Koha::Schema already in Marseille
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14:04 talljoy morning
14:05 tcohen yay, almost ready to set a date for the Argentinian hackfest :-D
14:06 talljoy ooo i wanna go!
14:07 tcohen please come!
14:07 tcohen it will be held in Buenos Aires :-D
14:07 nengard oooooooo
14:08 talljoy depends when it is!
14:09 tcohen begining of july is winning the bid
14:12 nengard eeek, that's not much prep time
14:13 talljoy and i'm on vacation those weeks.  darn it
14:14 nengard but if you do it the same time every year we can plan to come next july
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14:18 talljoy Si!
14:19 talljoy Would love another trip to South America
14:19 geek_cl oh
14:19 tcohen heh :-D
14:21 nengard would love a first trip to south america :) hehe
14:21 talljoy i think i need a redo of the last flight i took.
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14:43 bgkriegel hi
14:45 talljoy hi bgkriegel
14:46 bgkriegel Hi talljoy :)
14:49 talljoy i'm loving the new manual 'style'.  it's pretty cool.  easy on the eyes!
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15:08 fridolin see u
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15:28 xarragon tcohen: Well, I already use temporary DBs for testing kohastructure.sql, but if I do the generation step I could actually update the tests. Which is mandatory anyway for any changes to the DB, so.. good advice
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16:14 drojf why is the manual at like http://translate.koha-communit[…]/en/html-desktop/ while http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/en/html-desktop/ (manual subdomain) is not working
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16:36 khall Joubu: updated bug 14098
16:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14098 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Regression in Marc Modification Templates
16:44 Joubu khall: answered :)
16:44 Joubu To me it's the expected behavior
16:44 Joubu but I can be wrong
16:44 khall Joubu: that's what I thought but I just wanted to double check
16:45 Joubu khall: thanks for the quick SO!
16:45 khall np!
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17:26 drojf TestingKohaLink++ # very successful testing
17:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13946: Change order status 'Pending' to 'Ordered' <[…]dc8e5bb29f9f2a372> / Bug 14275: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from <[…]3b9b2425137630f0c> / Bug 14112: Silence warnings in t/Charset.t <[…]web/?p=koha.git;a
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18:00 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:00 mtompset @seen tcohen
18:00 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 41 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <tcohen> heh :-D
18:01 druthb ohai, mtompset
18:01 mtompset Greetings, druthb. :)
18:02 mtompset @later tell tcohen[…]g.cgi?id=14116#c6
18:02 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
18:02 huginn Bug 14116: minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Silence noise t/Scrubber.t
18:02 tcohen what about it?
18:02 mtompset Just curious if you were expecting all the output cleaned up on the same bug report.
18:04 tcohen i do
18:04 tcohen and also on the same patch heh
18:04 tcohen the point is to reduce "noise" in general, right?
18:05 tcohen so the tests are of more use
18:05 mtompset okay... second commit coming up.
18:11 tcohen mtompset: just delete them :-D
18:12 tcohen or leave them as a comment
18:12 tcohen actually, just delete
18:12 tcohen them
18:12 tcohen all the "print"
18:12 mtompset that's what I did. :)
18:12 mtompset Check out the second commit on the bug report. :)
18:13 tcohen you are writing print instead of diag
18:13 mtompset on the second patch?
18:13 mtompset I didn't merge the two commits.
18:14 tcohen squash them
18:16 mtompset There. Better?
18:17 mtompset bgkriegel: Sorry, your signoff was undone in the squash. Care to retest now? :)
18:17 bgkriegel no problem :)
18:18 mtompset 14116
18:20 tcohen bgkriegel: my fault
18:20 bgkriegel i know... :)
18:20 tcohen :-P
18:23 mtompset I think someone owes someone a drink after work ;)
18:25 tcohen ontario?
18:25 wahanui well, ontario is all right. Just the politicians have issues.
18:25 tcohen won't be able to make it for a while
18:25 tcohen but who knows
18:26 mtompset I'm talking about you and bgkriegel :P
18:27 gaetan_B bye
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18:46 mtompset bgkriegel, tcohen: Can you replicate the failure that aleisha experienced in comment #8 of bug 141121
18:46 huginn Bug[…]bug.cgi?id=141121 was not found.
18:47 mtompset Oops... bug 14121
18:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14121 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Silence warnings t/db_dependent/Auth_with_cas.t
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18:48 bgkriegel nope, "All tests successful"
18:48 tcohen and no warnings :-D
18:55 mtompset So, how can I fix it? It seems fine.
18:56 tcohen env variables?
18:57 tcohen something was messing Aleisha's environment
18:59 tcohen bye every1
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19:51 tcohen hi
19:51 wahanui kia ora, tcohen
19:54 tcohen @seen cait
19:54 huginn tcohen: cait was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 49 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <cait> time for breakfast and conf - bye #koha
20:00 mtompset oh... plak?
20:01 mtompset I wonder...
20:14 mtompset bgkriegel: What about now 14121 still works?
20:16 bgkriegel yep, works for me
20:17 mtompset I'd ask you for a sign off, but I really want to figure out why it wasn't working for aleisha.
20:18 bgkriegel but it's something for Perl 5.20, it worked for me previously (Comment #5)
20:19 bgkriegel and i still don't have a debian 8 box
20:20 mtompset well, as long as it still works in your environment that is NOT debian 8, that's a good thing. :)
20:22 mtompset About to test on Debian 7.
20:22 bgkriegel yes :)
20:22 mtompset And you should have 4 boxes at least: ubuntu 12.04 LTS, ubuntu 14.04 LTS, debian 7, and debian 8. :P
20:23 mtompset CentOS if you are feeling a little crazy. ;)
20:23 bgkriegel Hehe
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20:23 bgkriegel Bye for now
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21:28 tcohen eythian: do you know apt-mark?
21:29 tcohen @bgkriegel we will work on that during the hackfest
21:29 huginn tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes
21:29 tcohen @later tell bgkriegel we will work on that during the hackfest
21:29 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:33 cait did i hear hackfest?
21:34 wizzyrea hallo?
21:34 rangi wizzyrea: can you try pushing to 3.18.x now? (if you have something to push)
21:34 wizzyrea yes - 2 shakes
21:47 wizzyrea well more than 2 shakes I guess - but I will do it here in a short time.
21:50 wizzyrea Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
21:50 wizzyrea but, that is fine I'll send you the right key
21:51 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "keys for wizzyrea" (4 lines) at
21:51 rangi those are the keys i have
21:51 wizzyrea ah right DSA
21:52 wizzyrea hm that first one should be right - is the user liz or wizzyrea
21:53 rangi first one is wizzyrea
21:53 rangi hmm but doesnt match the one you pasted
21:53 wizzyrea well that one's rsa
21:53 wizzyrea I have both
21:53 wizzyrea I just looked, the DSA ones match
21:53 rangi ahh try with the dsa one then ;)
21:53 wizzyrea :) ikr
21:54 wizzyrea I think it's mostly that I was trying with user liz
21:54 rangi that'd do it
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22:14 eythian hi
22:16 eythian tcohen: I don't
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22:21 tcohen cait: we are having our own
22:23 wizzyrea tcohen++ thanks for pushing that patch for me
22:23 * wizzyrea makes the history updates on the website automagic
22:23 wizzyrea (in a little bit)
22:25 tcohen my pleasure
22:25 cait tcohen: and no invitation? :)
22:26 wizzyrea dopey, ssh keys still not working
22:26 tcohen we haven't set a date
22:26 tcohen but i heard around julyl 2nd
22:26 tcohen you're always invited btw
22:26 cait :D
22:26 cait night
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22:29 tcohen night everyone
22:30 mtj cya tcohen :0)
22:30 eythian hi tcohen
22:30 eythian bye tcohen
22:30 rangi cya tcohen
22:32 mtj hey folks, i'm gonna finish the 3.16.11 release today...
22:34 * mtj has had a busy week
22:35 mtj wizzyrea: awesome werk on the history.txt update ^
22:35 mtj ..its a graet idea :)
22:35 wizzyrea it'll be nice because now I have the infrastructure to do other things like that
22:36 wizzyrea not for posts, necessarily, but for pages.
22:43 mtj yep, gotcha
22:44 mtj a bit off topic, i spotted this recently...
22:44 mtj
22:44 mtj
22:45 mtj
22:46 mtj ...could be useful for Koha project
22:47 mtj moz are using it to track error msgs, even
22:47 rangi it'd just be a matter of setting it up for a couple of koha, and having a ply
22:47 rangi play even
22:48 mtj, you could potentially use it with a 'tombstone' feature
22:50 mtj yep, easy peasy rangi  :)
22:56 mtj ..might be handy for HEA stuff too?
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23:13 eythian[…]aft-fanf-wtf8.fmt <-- "The key words "WHAT", "DAMNIT", "GOOD GRIEF", "FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE", "RIDICULOUS", "BLOODY HELL", and "DIE IN A GREAT BIG CHEMICAL FIRE" in this memo are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]."
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23:24 wizzyrea that is pretty silly
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23:32 * drojf yawns
23:32 drojf i guess it's too late for a nightcap :|
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23:44 wizzyrea never.
23:47 drojf heh. i'll tell my boss wizzyrea allowed it
23:48 wizzyrea are you operating heavy machinery?
23:48 drojf a koha server
23:48 drojf :D
23:48 drojf and since i am my own boss, i know he'll be ok with it :P
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23:54 wizzyrea lol a koha server is heavy machinery lol
23:54 drojf lol. i sent a package across the country. it got stuck in a loop from one place to the other and back, because the machines read a wrong post code. after 8 days it managed to get on delivery tour, but it wasn't delivered. instead it is now "temporarily stored in the delivery depot until delivery". in the german version it says that is due to holiday. there is no holiday
23:55 dcook drojf: *sadface*
23:56 eythian drojf: I once had a parcel where they'd printed "Namibia" instead of "New Zealand". It was a few months late, but it got here.
23:56 drojf :D
23:56 dcook O_O
23:56 dcook I once got a response to a fan letter about 7 years later?
23:57 dcook Maybe longer...
23:57 drojf oh yeah i got something from dealextreme. after about a gazillion weeks. like twice the very long delivery time they estimate anyway. it says it came from sweden Oo
23:57 * dcook think he wrote the letter when he was 7 and got a response when he was about 14-15 in a different town
23:57 dcook Not sure if the response was written 7 years later or if it just took that long to work out my new address..
23:58 eythian drojf: DX has _terrible_ shipping times, in general
23:58 drojf i know, but not like that
23:58 drojf well, it was only my second time i think
23:58 drojf and the last one ^^
23:59 eythian odds are they sent it to a distribution point in Sweden from China and then sent a bunch of things from there, or something like that.
23:59 eythian I've had things take a couple of months.
23:59 eythian And I'm close to china, from a shipping point of view.
23:59 drojf i ordered it beginning of march. heh

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