Time Nick Message 01:38 mtj hey #koha, how do people feel about a general effort to get the koha tools to work with a gitifyed setup 01:39 eythian mtj: you mean the koha- commands? 01:39 eythian or some other tools? 01:39 mtj yeah, those 01:39 wahanui yeah, those are pretty good pronounciations :-) 01:40 eythian wizzyrea and I have been talking about it, had some plans. Just haven't done any implementation yet. 01:40 mtj they all seem to assume that koha is installed in /usr/share/koha 01:40 eythian they do, yeah 01:42 mtj we need to get them using a better PERL5LIB path 01:44 eythian that'd be the best place to start. we were thinking of perhaps adding a library path type thing to koha-conf, and then have a function that lets you set your PERL5LIB based on the instance name 01:46 mtj nice 01:47 mtj i went looking... there doesnt seem to be a canonical place for that 01:48 eythian there isn't, one would have to be created 01:49 mtj there is one set in each apache.conf 01:49 mtj SetEnv PERL5LIB "/home/mason/g/k/3.16.x" 01:49 mtj thats about as good as it gets, currently 01:49 eythian yeah. It's also be possible to pull it from there, just a bit less elegant. 01:50 eythian on the other hand, defining it in one place probably outweights that. 01:51 mtj hmm, interesting to think that a koha cant deterine that info itself 01:52 eythian that's a bootstrap problem. 01:52 eythian i.e. it can tell its path when it's running, but then it's too late to change it as it's running 01:53 mtj the other subtle gotcha is that the 'lib' dir is in a diff. place in a git install 01:54 mtj koha/C4 vs koha/lib/C4 01:54 eythian yeah 01:54 eythian that's not a big deal though 01:55 mtj yeah 01:55 eythian if we're just setting PERL5LIB 02:00 mtj hmm, something to think about 02:01 eythian definitely on my want-to-do list, but not very near the top right now :/ 02:03 mtj ive been thinking about a handy troubleshooting tool for koha... 02:03 mtj ..something that attempts to find out a bunch of useful info about a koha instance 02:04 BobB hi 02:04 kathryn hello :) 02:05 BobB kathryn! hello 02:05 BobB all good? 02:05 kathryn yes thanks bobb , baby's asleep, I'm working! 02:05 kathryn I'll send you and Irma a photo 02:06 BobB seize the moment :) 02:06 BobB yes pls do 02:06 mtj hey BobB, kathryn 02:06 BobB congratulations from both of us 02:06 kathryn thank you bobb 02:06 BobB kathryn, not you mtj :) 02:06 mtj kathryn, congrats too :0) 02:06 kathryn hi mtj :) 02:08 kathryn thanks mtj 02:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:59 mtompset aleisha: Was that you commenting on bug 14113? :) 02:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14113 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Silence warnings t/Date.t 02:59 mtompset Greetings, indradg. :) 03:15 aleisha yes that was me mtompset 03:15 mtompset I've posted a revision worthy of testing now. :) 03:15 aleisha i'll test now :) 03:16 mtompset I had a newbie mistake: parameters backwards SUBSTR, STR vs. STR, SUBSTR. 03:17 aleisha ooh failed to merge 03:31 AmitG hi indradg 03:45 mtompset failed to merge? 03:45 mtompset What are you talking about aleisha? 03:45 aleisha mtompset that's my own error don't worry 03:45 mtompset And what OS are you using to test bug 14121? 03:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14121 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Silence warnings t/db_dependent/Auth_with_cas.t 03:47 mtompset Have you done a git fetch, git merge lately? 03:47 aleisha yeah just been doing stuff another branch and messed it up a little bit 04:06 mtompset Well, I need to be conscious enough to get my wife in the morning. Have a great day, #koha. 04:34 indradg hi AmitG 05:29 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha 05:29 mveron @wunder Allschwil 05:29 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 7.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on May 27, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 05:30 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:30 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on May 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 05:30 eythian hmm, I'm surprised it's that warm here. 05:31 * mveron would appreciate a higher temperature here... 05:36 cait hi mveron :) 05:36 mveron hi cait :-) 05:36 eythian hi cait 05:36 cait hi eythian :) 05:36 cait what did you do in mannheim? 05:37 eythian a family friend lives near there, I must have been visiting her. 05:38 cait ah, amkes sense :) 05:38 cait the spreadsheet one? 05:38 eythian yeah :) 05:39 cait :) 05:44 cait eythian: was thinkingof you yesterday - we were at a rustic place here in nürnberg, selling lots of different bears, even some smoked ones 05:45 eythian you're allowed to sell bears there? 05:45 eythian though, smoked beers are pretty nice :) 05:47 cait hmpf 06:04 cait time for breakfast and conf - bye #koha 06:42 reiveune hello 06:42 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 06:51 drojf morning #koha 06:57 alex_a bonjour 07:15 xarragon I am adding tests to a bugticket with an existing patch. Can that be an additional patch on top of it, or is it better merged together? 07:18 BobB xarragon I am not a developer but I understand they should be separate, not merged 07:22 xarragon BobB: Ah, well I guess I can just check the gitlogs. 07:23 Viktor Greetings #koha 07:24 xarragon BobB: It might actually say in the code style guide when I think about it. 07:24 BobB yes, good point 07:31 gaetan_B hello 07:47 xarragon I am writing a database test.. I need to add a borrwer as a test, is there any best practices to avoid colliding with existing data in the database? 07:48 xarragon The existing code does something similar, querying for a branch name via SELECT and then adding one with a simple name. 07:50 xarragon I am simply duplicating that now, extending it to the foreignly linked tables. But maybe there are specially reserved names or the like for testing purposes, to avoid collisions? 08:10 gaetan_B who is using mod_perl on koha installs? 08:20 Joubu If someone wants to use master, please make the following changes to C4/Dates.pm 08:20 Joubu - my $aref = eval {$xsub}; 08:20 Joubu + my $aref = eval $xsub; 08:21 Joubu xarragon: do you know how DB dependent tests work? 08:22 Joubu xarragon: you can use TestBuilder to generate random data for tests 08:23 Joubu have a look at Bug 14045 for an example 08:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add specific quotas to on-site checkout 08:23 Joubu see http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=39147 /search for TooMany.t 08:38 xarragon Joubu: No, so far I have just tested using my own Koha install and manually setting up dbs with kohastructure.sql loaded into them to do basic testing of any changes. 08:41 xarragon Joubu: Thanks for all the pointers; If I am messing with the db schema I need to be very careful about what I do and what effects it has. 08:41 Joubu xarragon: ok, it should be ok. I use the DB generated by the script on bug 10337. It will create quickly a valid DB 08:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , UT: The unit tests cannot be launched by everyone 09:36 xarragon Joubu: The example you pointed me to has exactly what I need, fake borrowers. Awesome. 10:23 magnuse @marc 952 p 10:23 huginn magnuse: unknown field/subfield combination (952/p) 11:21 marcelr hi #koha 12:13 barton morning all! 12:19 barton I've got an issue with a koha installation that was upgraded to 3.18 over the weekend... they use the 'zh-Hans-TW' language pack, and text on several pages isn't rendering correctly. see https://qsnapnet.com/snaps/z9hqgamqw9sy8pv for example. 12:20 barton We've re-built the language pack, to no avail. 12:20 magnuse wow, that looks pretty broken... 12:20 magnuse what was it upgraded from? 12:20 magnuse and does it affect all pages or just some 12:21 barton Off hand, I'm not sure, but probably 3.16. 12:25 magnuse it just struck me that bug 11944 might for some reason clash with this one language - but that is just a hunch 12:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 12:26 barton hmmm... good point. 12:26 magnuse and does it look like this on every page, both opac and intranet? 12:29 magnuse hm, I can't get 'zh-Hans-TW' to show up anywhere after i install it 12:30 barton I've been cruising around on their staff client, by and large, it looks ok. 12:31 barton ... and they've only complained about a couple of pages. 12:33 tcohen hi 12:33 wahanui salut, tcohen 12:34 tcohen @wunder boo 12:34 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on May 27, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Falling). 12:34 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:34 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 13.3°C (9:30 AM ART on May 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 12:34 barton good morning tcohen 12:39 tcohen hi barton 12:46 magnuse tcohen: you win :-) 12:47 magnuse barton: really weird if it is just some pages! 12:47 magnuse tcohen++ for 3.20.0, btw! 12:48 barton tcohen++ 12:49 barton magnuse: re-reading the description, it seems that it's the rendering of the checked out items on the circ screen that's causing the issues, and not under all browsers. :-/ 13:02 magnuse barton: ah, so something related to the ajax'ifying of that page, perhaps? 13:05 tcohen eythian++ 13:07 misilot Good morning, I was wondering if someone could point me to where the code is for when an item is deleted? (ie what queries are run?) Thanks! 13:07 misilot I guess it might only be morning here 13:08 tcohen misilot: C4/Items.pm 13:08 tcohen look for "sub DelItem" 13:09 misilot thanks tcohen trying to pin point bug 14205 13:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14205 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Deleting an Item/Record does not remove link to course reserve 13:10 tcohen misilot: that might be a problem with the model 13:10 tcohen misilot: there should be a constrain preventing that 13:10 tcohen or a cascade delete 13:11 tcohen Joubu: that line *is* reverted 13:14 Joubu tcohen: oops yes, I suppose my repo was not up-to-date :-/ 13:15 tcohen Joubu: i'd like to review those patches from Mason, and have them pushed soon. They are good ones. 13:20 magnuse nengard! 13:20 wahanui nengard is probably the queen of documentation. 13:21 nengard magnuse! 13:21 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 13:21 nengard LOL 13:21 nengard mine is better :) 13:25 magnuse nah, i always worry about bugs when i eat pizza 13:29 nengard heheh 13:29 xarragon Anyone knows how the tables are mapped into TestBuilder's names? 13:32 xarragon Ah, it is simply the DBIx class name. 13:32 xarragon Nevermind. 13:34 misilot thanks tcohen i think it might be the course_reserves table doesn't have a FKC to cascade delete the course item id. (Commented on the ticket) Thank you again! 13:34 magnuse xarragon: you're welcome ;-) 13:39 tcohen misilot: u r welcome 13:40 xarragon I am not very familiar with DBIx unfortunately. It seems like it generates PM with schema info, and this info is taken from the database. And that is why, to change the schema, the changes are only needed in atomicupdate and kohastructure.sql? 13:41 xarragon Or are there two definitions in paralllel during the transition to DBIx? 13:41 xarragon spelling++ there on the 'L's 13:42 xarragon Might as well learn it.. But I have a schema change, presently in SQL.. Which might be rewritten in DBIx if I need to learn it. 13:44 magnuse xarragon: yes, the .pm files are generated from the database 13:44 magnuse there is a script for that 13:45 magnuse http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl 13:46 magnuse that generates the files in Koha/Schema/Result/*.pm 13:46 xarragon magnuse: Any other way of changing the schema, other than editing the kohastruct.sql (and the atomic update)? 13:47 xarragon (just curious, since it sounded in a comment on the ticket that it might be possile) 13:47 magnuse no, those are the ways to get db changes into koha 13:47 magnuse (you could always mess with your database tables, but i assume that is not what you mean) 13:48 * magnuse wanders off to cook some whale 13:49 xarragon magnuse: Ok, thanks 13:51 tcohen xarragon: I suggest that you create a dbic database, which you can drop/create 13:51 tcohen in which you load kohastructure.sql 13:51 tcohen and then run misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl -db_name dbic 13:51 paul_p hi tcohen = about plack patch you just talked of with Jul = have you seen his mail on koha-devel. Worth taking it in account ! 13:52 tcohen mod_perl? 13:53 Jul tcohen, No (wrong Julian ^^), Subject : Improving Plack intranet performances (circulation module) 13:55 tcohen ah, yes 13:55 tcohen with dobrica we included Koha::Schema already in Marseille 14:04 talljoy morning 14:05 tcohen yay, almost ready to set a date for the Argentinian hackfest :-D 14:06 talljoy ooo i wanna go! 14:07 tcohen please come! 14:07 tcohen it will be held in Buenos Aires :-D 14:07 nengard oooooooo 14:08 talljoy depends when it is! 14:09 tcohen begining of july is winning the bid 14:12 nengard eeek, that's not much prep time 14:13 talljoy and i'm on vacation those weeks. darn it 14:14 nengard but if you do it the same time every year we can plan to come next july 14:18 talljoy Si! 14:19 talljoy Would love another trip to South America 14:19 geek_cl oh 14:19 tcohen heh :-D 14:21 nengard would love a first trip to south america :) hehe 14:21 talljoy i think i need a redo of the last flight i took. 14:43 bgkriegel hi 14:45 talljoy hi bgkriegel 14:46 bgkriegel Hi talljoy :) 14:49 talljoy i'm loving the new manual 'style'. it's pretty cool. easy on the eyes! 15:04 reiveune bye 15:08 fridolin see u 15:28 xarragon tcohen: Well, I already use temporary DBs for testing kohastructure.sql, but if I do the generation step I could actually update the tests. Which is mandatory anyway for any changes to the DB, so.. good advice 16:14 drojf why is the manual at translate.koha-community.org? like http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/3.18/en/html-desktop/ while http://manual.koha-community.org/manual/3.18/en/html-desktop/ (manual subdomain) is not working 16:36 khall Joubu: updated bug 14098 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14098 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Regression in Marc Modification Templates 16:44 Joubu khall: answered :) 16:44 Joubu To me it's the expected behavior 16:44 Joubu but I can be wrong 16:44 khall Joubu: that's what I thought but I just wanted to double check 16:45 Joubu khall: thanks for the quick SO! 16:45 khall np! 17:25 TestingKohaLink Testing. :) 17:26 drojf TestingKohaLink++ # very successful testing 17:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13946: Change order status 'Pending' to 'Ordered' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=480ac8667971a638b4b27d0dc8e5bb29f9f2a372> / Bug 14275: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from guided_reports.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=764b425c1ce0573f9b02bfa3b9b2425137630f0c> / Bug 14112: Silence warnings in t/Charset.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a 18:00 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:00 mtompset @seen tcohen 18:00 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 41 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <tcohen> heh :-D 18:01 druthb ohai, mtompset 18:01 mtompset Greetings, druthb. :) 18:02 mtompset @later tell tcohen http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14116#c6 18:02 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 18:02 huginn 04Bug 14116: minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Silence noise t/Scrubber.t 18:02 tcohen what about it? 18:02 mtompset Just curious if you were expecting all the output cleaned up on the same bug report. 18:04 tcohen i do 18:04 tcohen and also on the same patch heh 18:04 tcohen the point is to reduce "noise" in general, right? 18:05 tcohen so the tests are of more use 18:05 mtompset okay... second commit coming up. 18:11 tcohen mtompset: just delete them :-D 18:12 tcohen or leave them as a comment 18:12 tcohen actually, just delete 18:12 tcohen them 18:12 tcohen all the "print" 18:12 mtompset that's what I did. :) 18:12 mtompset Check out the second commit on the bug report. :) 18:13 tcohen you are writing print instead of diag 18:13 mtompset on the second patch? 18:13 mtompset I didn't merge the two commits. 18:14 tcohen squash them 18:16 mtompset There. Better? 18:17 mtompset bgkriegel: Sorry, your signoff was undone in the squash. Care to retest now? :) 18:17 bgkriegel no problem :) 18:18 mtompset 14116 18:20 tcohen bgkriegel: my fault 18:20 bgkriegel i know... :) 18:20 tcohen :-P 18:23 mtompset I think someone owes someone a drink after work ;) 18:25 tcohen ontario? 18:25 wahanui well, ontario is all right. Just the politicians have issues. 18:25 tcohen won't be able to make it for a while 18:25 tcohen but who knows 18:26 mtompset I'm talking about you and bgkriegel :P 18:27 gaetan_B bye 18:46 mtompset bgkriegel, tcohen: Can you replicate the failure that aleisha experienced in comment #8 of bug 141121 18:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=141121 was not found. 18:47 mtompset Oops... bug 14121 18:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14121 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Silence warnings t/db_dependent/Auth_with_cas.t 18:48 bgkriegel nope, "All tests successful" 18:48 tcohen and no warnings :-D 18:55 mtompset So, how can I fix it? It seems fine. 18:56 tcohen env variables? 18:57 tcohen something was messing Aleisha's environment 18:59 tcohen bye every1 19:51 tcohen hi 19:51 wahanui kia ora, tcohen 19:54 tcohen @seen cait 19:54 huginn tcohen: cait was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 49 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <cait> time for breakfast and conf - bye #koha 20:00 mtompset oh... plak? 20:01 mtompset I wonder... 20:14 mtompset bgkriegel: What about now 14121 still works? 20:16 bgkriegel yep, works for me 20:17 mtompset I'd ask you for a sign off, but I really want to figure out why it wasn't working for aleisha. 20:18 bgkriegel but it's something for Perl 5.20, it worked for me previously (Comment #5) 20:19 bgkriegel and i still don't have a debian 8 box 20:20 mtompset well, as long as it still works in your environment that is NOT debian 8, that's a good thing. :) 20:22 mtompset About to test on Debian 7. 20:22 bgkriegel yes :) 20:22 mtompset And you should have 4 boxes at least: ubuntu 12.04 LTS, ubuntu 14.04 LTS, debian 7, and debian 8. :P 20:23 mtompset CentOS if you are feeling a little crazy. ;) 20:23 bgkriegel Hehe 20:23 bgkriegel Bye for now 21:28 tcohen eythian: do you know apt-mark? 21:29 tcohen @bgkriegel we will work on that during the hackfest 21:29 huginn tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes 21:29 tcohen @later tell bgkriegel we will work on that during the hackfest 21:29 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 21:33 cait did i hear hackfest? 21:34 wizzyrea hallo? 21:34 rangi wizzyrea: can you try pushing to 3.18.x now? (if you have something to push) 21:34 wizzyrea yes - 2 shakes 21:47 wizzyrea well more than 2 shakes I guess - but I will do it here in a short time. 21:50 wizzyrea Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository. 21:50 wizzyrea but, that is fine I'll send you the right key 21:51 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "keys for wizzyrea" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/122 21:51 rangi those are the keys i have 21:51 wizzyrea ah right DSA 21:52 wizzyrea hm that first one should be right - is the user liz or wizzyrea 21:53 rangi first one is wizzyrea 21:53 rangi hmm but doesnt match the one you pasted 21:53 wizzyrea well that one's rsa 21:53 wizzyrea I have both 21:53 wizzyrea I just looked, the DSA ones match 21:53 rangi ahh try with the dsa one then ;) 21:53 wizzyrea :) ikr 21:54 wizzyrea I think it's mostly that I was trying with user liz 21:54 rangi that'd do it 22:14 eythian hi 22:16 eythian tcohen: I don't 22:21 tcohen cait: we are having our own 22:23 wizzyrea tcohen++ thanks for pushing that patch for me 22:23 * wizzyrea makes the history updates on the website automagic 22:23 wizzyrea (in a little bit) 22:25 tcohen my pleasure 22:25 cait tcohen: and no invitation? :) 22:26 wizzyrea dopey, ssh keys still not working 22:26 tcohen we haven't set a date 22:26 tcohen but i heard around julyl 2nd 22:26 tcohen you're always invited btw 22:26 cait :D 22:26 cait night 22:29 tcohen night everyone 22:30 mtj cya tcohen :0) 22:30 eythian hi tcohen 22:30 eythian bye tcohen 22:30 rangi cya tcohen 22:32 mtj hey folks, i'm gonna finish the 3.16.11 release today... 22:34 * mtj has had a busy week 22:35 mtj wizzyrea: awesome werk on the history.txt update ^ 22:35 mtj ..its a graet idea :) 22:35 wizzyrea it'll be nice because now I have the infrastructure to do other things like that 22:36 wizzyrea not for posts, necessarily, but for pages. 22:43 mtj yep, gotcha 22:44 mtj a bit off topic, i spotted this recently... 22:44 mtj https://telemetry.mozilla.org 22:44 mtj https://telemetry.mozilla.org/docs.html#Telemetry 22:45 mtj https://github.com/mozilla/telemetry-dashboard 22:46 mtj ...could be useful for Koha project 22:47 mtj moz are using it to track error msgs, even 22:47 rangi it'd just be a matter of setting it up for a couple of koha, and having a ply 22:47 rangi play even 22:48 mtj ..so, you could potentially use it with a 'tombstone' feature 22:50 mtj yep, easy peasy rangi :) 22:56 mtj ..might be handy for HEA stuff too? 23:13 eythian http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/~fanf2/hermes/doc/qsmtp/draft-fanf-wtf8.fmt <-- "The key words "WHAT", "DAMNIT", "GOOD GRIEF", "FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE", "RIDICULOUS", "BLOODY HELL", and "DIE IN A GREAT BIG CHEMICAL FIRE" in this memo are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]." 23:24 wizzyrea that is pretty silly 23:32 * drojf yawns 23:32 drojf i guess it's too late for a nightcap :| 23:44 wizzyrea never. 23:47 drojf heh. i'll tell my boss wizzyrea allowed it 23:48 wizzyrea are you operating heavy machinery? 23:48 drojf a koha server 23:48 drojf :D 23:48 drojf and since i am my own boss, i know he'll be ok with it :P 23:54 wizzyrea lol a koha server is heavy machinery lol 23:54 drojf lol. i sent a package across the country. it got stuck in a loop from one place to the other and back, because the machines read a wrong post code. after 8 days it managed to get on delivery tour, but it wasn't delivered. instead it is now "temporarily stored in the delivery depot until delivery". in the german version it says that is due to holiday. there is no holiday 23:55 dcook drojf: *sadface* 23:56 eythian drojf: I once had a parcel where they'd printed "Namibia" instead of "New Zealand". It was a few months late, but it got here. 23:56 drojf :D 23:56 dcook O_O 23:56 dcook I once got a response to a fan letter about 7 years later? 23:57 dcook Maybe longer... 23:57 drojf oh yeah i got something from dealextreme. after about a gazillion weeks. like twice the very long delivery time they estimate anyway. it says it came from sweden Oo 23:57 * dcook think he wrote the letter when he was 7 and got a response when he was about 14-15 in a different town 23:57 dcook Not sure if the response was written 7 years later or if it just took that long to work out my new address.. 23:58 eythian drojf: DX has _terrible_ shipping times, in general 23:58 drojf i know, but not like that 23:58 drojf well, it was only my second time i think 23:58 drojf and the last one ^^ 23:59 eythian odds are they sent it to a distribution point in Sweden from China and then sent a bunch of things from there, or something like that. 23:59 eythian I've had things take a couple of months. 23:59 eythian And I'm close to china, from a shipping point of view. 23:59 drojf i ordered it beginning of march. heh