IRC log for #koha, 2015-05-11

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00:00 wizzyrea neato
00:04 wizzyrea hm I wonder if I can still push to the kc repo.
00:05 eythian BobB: > be to bolt Koha and Moodle [...] together
00:05 eythian we have a moodle development team here, it's something we've been looking for an excuse to do for a while.
00:06 BobB hi eythian, it was Andrew Boag who made the suggestion to me
00:06 eythian oh right :)
00:06 BobB but there's nothing concrete from the client yet - not even about what they want to achieve
00:07 BobB just 'Is Koha LTI compliant?'
00:07 eythian yeah
00:07 BobB I hadn't heard of LTI before the question :)
00:08 BobB good info from Mirko, eh
00:09 eythian I'd not heard of it either.
00:10 eythian but yeah, that should be helpfule
00:10 eythian -e
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02:44 BobB windy as in Sydney
02:44 BobB @wunder Sydney, New South Wales
02:44 huginn` BobB: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (12:30 PM AEST on May 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
02:45 BobB the Pressure is the clue  :)
02:49 wizzyrea it's supposed to be getting windier over the day here too
02:49 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
02:49 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on May 11, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
02:49 wizzyrea nice temp tho
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06:24 * magnuse waves
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06:45 reiveune hello
06:45 wahanui hey, reiveune
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06:47 alex_a bonjour
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06:51 magnuse @wunder boo
06:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on May 11, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:51 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
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07:26 * magnuse waves again
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07:30 * cait waves back
07:31 gaetan_B hello
07:31 wahanui privet, gaetan_B
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07:34 cait hi gaetan_B
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07:40 fridolin hie
07:50 cait @later tell khall_away can you please take a look at the comments on bug 9309?
07:50 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
07:50 cait @later tell khall_away .. I meant 9303
07:50 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
07:55 magnuse bug 9303
07:55 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , relative's checkouts in the opac
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08:24 andreashm morning
08:30 magnuse kia ora andreashm
08:33 andreashm hi magnuse
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08:42 bakh Hi everyone, would anyone please be so kind and guided me a little with data importing? I was able to import over 15000 records to the database, but I have a problem with "item holdings". It randomly shows that I have 2 or 3 item holdings, but I only have one.
08:44 magnuse bakh: in koha, items in marc records are in the 952 field. so check your records for what appears there
08:44 bakh oh I see
08:45 bakh so If i used for example 952$1, 952$d and 952$i for one book
08:45 bakh it will tell the system that i have three item holdings?
08:45 magnuse here is an explanation of what goes in what subfield:[…]_fields_%289xx%29
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08:46 magnuse yeah, if you have three separate 952 fields with those subfields, koha will see it as three separate items
08:46 magnuse or not import some of the 952's, because mandatory subfields are missing
08:46 bakh oh, Ok, thanks very much, I will change it so that there will be only  952$i as inventory
08:47 magnuse you will need at least $a and $b too, i think
08:48 magnuse the value there should correspond to a library you have set up in koha
08:48 bakh What if I only have one library?
08:50 magnuse you still have to put it in $a and $b, but it will be the same for all records
08:51 bakh oh, Ok thanks, Ill try that
08:53 magnuse bakh: and just to be clear: what you out there is the library "code" you defined on INTRANET/cgi-bin/koha/admin/
08:56 magnuse gah! what you *out* there
08:56 magnuse gah! gah! what you *put* there
08:58 indradg bakh: this is what 952 for a record on one of my systems look like in MarcEdit
08:58 indradg =952  \\$8FIC$aMIETSCHOOL$bMIETSCHOOL$d2003-01-03$​eCBT$g80$i126$p1000000126$w2003-01-03$xBill No. 1296;1297$yBK
08:59 bakh oh I see, Il try to compare it with mine
09:00 * indradg is wondering is anyone who has worked on the currency code is around
09:00 cait bakh: also setting y the itemtype is good for circulation later
09:00 cait indradg: i have seen your emails, but only tested, not worked on the code
09:00 cait what's the problem?
09:00 wahanui
09:02 bakh hm my record looks a bit different
09:02 bakh =952  \\$10 =952  \\$d7/28/2011 12:00:00 AM =952  \\$i2439874
09:02 cait hm that's still 3 952
09:03 bakh yeah, thats why i have 3 item holdings
09:03 cait and the date format looks weird too
09:03 cait what is $i?
09:03 wahanui $i is used
09:03 cait is it the number you use for checking out?
09:03 cait the barcode?
09:03 wahanui it has been said that the barcode is actually handled by cataloguing/value_builder/
09:03 bakh in next import I have deleted the 952i and the date
09:04 bakh its not important for our library, so I was said right now.
09:04 cait you should create something like indradg's example
09:04 cait 952 \\$aBRANCHCODE$bBRANCHCODE$yitemtype$o...$p... would be good - but depends on your library
09:04 bakh ye, Im testing it right now, but the problem is, that I always get 952 on different lines
09:44 magnuse tiffintime!
09:51 cait tiffin?
09:52 cait lunchtime!
09:52 wahanui i heard lunchtime was a terrible time for a meeting
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10:30 cait back
10:40 magnuse cait:
10:40 cait ah food :)
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11:36 cait khall: around?
11:36 khall what's up?
11:36 cait one ces
11:36 cait sec
11:37 cait ah
11:37 cait i got confused - i thought the relatives checkouts had already been pushed
11:37 cait but they haven't
11:37 cait did you find the problem?
11:49 khall cait: yes, found the problem
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11:51 cait cool :)
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12:17 magnuse weird. do we really remove hyphens from the first isbn (020), when records are imported into koha?
12:22 magnuse not when it's done through the web ui, at least
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12:23 cait magnuse: hm maybe ohnly in some cases? marc21 is without hyphens
12:23 cait or only for the isbn column in the db tables?
12:23 tcohen morning
12:23 tcohen :-d
12:23 cait happy tcohen :)
12:23 tcohen yay!
12:24 cait how is it?
12:24 tcohen identical :-D
12:25 cait oh
12:25 cait same model as the stolen one?
12:25 cait working on some accessibliity issues - anyone experience with that?
12:25 cait and does anyone have a jquery to auto-check the 'show all checkouts'?
12:25 tcohen @later tell mtompset i don't get it. the problem is related to i686 setups, because we have hardcoded paths that don't work well on them I think
12:25 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:26 tcohen hi Joubu
12:27 magnuse cait: marc21 is supposed to store isbns without hyphens in 020?
12:29 cait magnuse: afaik yes
12:30 cait germany stores the version with hyphens in 020$9
12:30 cait
12:30 cait ...and the embedded hyphens may be generated for display.
12:30 indradg cait: is cron updated? if so, any idea of the frequency?
12:31 magnuse cait: ah yes, found it
12:31 cait indradg: it depends on the information - some is done manualle
12:31 cait manually
12:31 indradg ok
12:31 cait which one are you looking for?
12:31 magnuse "The initialism ISBN, the phrase ISBN (invalid), and the embedded hyphens are not carried in the MARC record. They may be system generated as display constants associated with the content of subfields $a and $z, respectively."
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 tcohen khall++ # helping me on getting a new laptop to keep working
12:33 cait lol
12:33 khall lol!
12:33 cait khall++
12:33 cait khall++
12:33 magnuse khall++ tcohen++
12:33 cait khall++
12:33 magnuse khall++ tcohen++
12:33 tcohen i'm so happy and grateful
12:34 * cait stops before khall starts flying :)
12:34 tcohen i got it last friday
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12:34 tcohen after a journey to the customs office in buenos aires
12:35 cait i hope you could enjoy the time in ba a bit too?
12:36 tcohen not at all
12:37 tcohen it all ended at 17:30 on the international airport
12:37 tcohen outside the city
12:37 tcohen i got back to buenos aires just in time to fly to cordoba
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12:37 cait oh
12:37 cait so flight - grab laptop - flight?
12:37 tcohen well, i bought cecilia a cute backpack
12:37 cait heh
12:37 tcohen :-D
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12:46 magnuse weird. the source of http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]lkmarcimport.html says it was updated on "Mon May 11 05:16:36 2015 GMT" but it is missing the -cleanisbn/-nocleanisbn options which were added in 2011
12:49 cait hm maybe formatting ?
12:49 slef hi all
12:50 cait about my earlier question- found some jquery - now have to find out why something no longer shows on the braille line... any poiters appreciated
12:50 cait visibly the page looks the same :(
12:50 cait hi slef
12:51 slef magnuse: I can't even see an update date, let alone which branch it was produced from
12:52 slef ah, there's an update date in a html source comment
12:52 slef but no commit info?
12:52 magnuse it should be master
12:52 magnuse older versions would have urls like http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]lkmarcimport.html
12:53 magnuse ping gmcharlt?
12:53 magnuse the wiki says it is run by equinox
12:53 slef probably best next move
12:54 slef ok, here's my puzzle: has anyone seen the intranet layout suddenly go strange on MSIE? (I know MSIE is discouraged but government sites bleaaaah)
12:54 slef the homepage boxes suddenly won't line up
12:55 cait slef: i didn't get any repots so far - we have one libararian that has to use ie because of her screen reader and other tools
12:56 cait slef: cache was deleted properly?
12:56 cait because it DOES looks strange aftr an upgrade if you don't
12:57 slef cache was deleted properly, no upgrade at trigger time
12:57 slef I suspect a screen reader wouldn't be too affected by display problems
12:57 cait what does look strange?
12:57 cait no, but i got a report of things not showing on braille line that i have to figure out
12:58 magnuse slef: yeah, i have seen something like that
12:59 magnuse i have a customer where i can only access things through some screensharing tech via a windoze machine, and there the admin frontpage looks like someone bumped into the otherwise nicely stacked boxes
13:00 magnuse ie 11, i think it was?
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13:01 * slef checking
13:01 slef but it's as magnuse describes
13:01 slef I can maybe take a screenshot if it would help
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13:30 magnuse have fun #koha!
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13:35 Talia Hi everyone, we are using koha for quite some time now, but I still didnt find a way on customizing the index site.. It says important links here.. and i have no clue where to edit those texts.. I have only found this in the manual: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]4/en/impopac.html, but I dont know where to change the contents of those regions.. Would someone please be so kind and explained?
13:40 nengard Hi Talia
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13:44 nengard You need to go to Administration > Global System Preferences > OPAC and you'll see all the preferences you need to customize your OPAC
13:46 Talia Thank you very much
13:47 nengard @later tell drojf love the youtube integration!! Got a patch for me to test and sign off on?? :)
13:47 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded.
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14:03 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "jquery help - how do I remove the bar from urls display - this isn't working" (4 lines) at
14:05 nengard got any jquery experts in this morning - this should be easy - but I think becuase it's a bar character it's fighting with me
14:17 tcohen nengard: any news from gmcharlt ?
14:17 nengard nope
14:18 nengard any juqery experts around to help with my above paste?
14:18 nengard or jquery
14:20 cait nengard: try escaping the | with \
14:20 cait /\|/...
14:22 nengard cait++
14:23 nengard thank you - i knew that - i should have done that - but it's monday morning ;)
14:23 cait i recently had a similar thing
14:23 cait took me forever to figure out :)
14:24 nengard :)
14:27 slef Hrm, the troublesome MSIE might be 9 or perhaps even 7. If 7, I can tell them to upgrade because a colleague of theirs uses 9 so it must be allowed.
14:27 slef I hate MSIE.
14:27 nengard we wont' support it ...
14:33 nengard that's a solution :)
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14:52 indradg nengard: you use oxygen for doing the docbook to html conversion?
14:52 nengard no, I use oxygen to write the docbook. bernardo has some magic script for the docbook to html and docbook to pdf part of things
14:53 nengard the script runs nightly on the docbook to convert it and update the html
14:54 indradg ok!
14:54 nengard :)
14:55 indradg the generator tag in the html files seemed to suggest standard docbook-xsl chunking
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15:16 reiveune bye
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15:19 gaetan_B bye
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16:23 drojf hi #koha
16:23 amyk hello
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18:50 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12743: ACQ: default values for catalogue records <[…]32fe6e4fe6248d61c> / Bug 13758: Correct KOHA::VERSION in <[…]45a3ad71558bafaed>
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19:40 tcohen nengard: done
19:40 tcohen i suppose we don't need to test other languages on master?
19:44 nengard awesome
19:44 nengard and I don't know ...
19:44 nengard so tcohen will this page be updated?
19:44 nengard I still don't see a 3.18 branch
19:45 tcohen nengard: not sure where are you looking
19:45 tcohen i'm looking at Koha_Docs
19:45 nengard and below that there is koha_docs for each branch
19:45 tcohen which follows 'master' from the kohadocs.git repo
19:46 nengard Koha_Docs
19:46 nengard Koha_Docs_3.10.x
19:46 nengard Koha_Docs_3.12.x
19:46 nengard Koha_Docs_3.14.x
19:46 nengard Koha_Docs_3.16.x
19:46 tcohen ah, I see
19:46 nengard Koha_Docs_3.8.x
19:46 nengard no 3.18.x
19:46 tcohen i was fixing Koha_Docs (the one failing, which is the only problem i knew about :-D)
19:46 nengard oh okay
19:46 nengard I think my email a while ago mentioned that 3.18 wasn't being tracked
19:46 tcohen so u also expect a task to be testing 3.18 too?
19:47 nengard but that was to the koha list
19:47 nengard I would think so - the only two i maintain are master and one release back
19:47 tcohen ok, and only run xmllint on them, right?
19:47 nengard I'm not sure what that is ...
19:47 nengard All i know is that one day the manual was added to jenkins and i started getting emails :)
19:50 tcohen nengard: ok, the guys added some initial testing on the manual.xml file
19:50 tcohen at some point we could do more interesting stuff
19:50 tcohen for now it is just a sanity check
19:51 nengard Sounds good to me
19:51 nengard Thanks
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19:52 tcohen i created the 3.18
19:52 tcohen but it seems i'm missing something
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19:52 tcohen you will now receive those emails twice :-P
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20:55 indradg @seen bgkriegel
20:55 huginn` indradg: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 8 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> :)
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21:15 rangi nengard: you about?
21:15 nengard yup
21:15 nengard hola
21:15 rangi[…]ring-library-tech <-- could you get them to fix the link for koha?
21:15 rangi good article otherwise :)
21:15 nengard crap ola!! How many times do I have to tell them
21:16 rangi apparently 103 times
21:16 rangi :)
21:16 rangi morning
21:16 nengard hehe
21:16 nengard email sent
21:16 nengard thanks for catching
21:17 rangi actually ibeardslee caught it :)
21:18 nengard well thanks ibeardslee
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21:43 nengard rangi all fixed
21:44 rangi yay thanks
21:44 eythian hi
21:48 eythian > would name a future business venture together Bywater after Bywater Pool of The Lord of the Rings.
21:48 eythian not Bywater the village that Bywater Pool is named after?
21:50 nengard hmmm
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23:29 dcook Hehe. Looking at some of the spam in my inbox, and it's just...
23:29 dcook It doesn't even have a way of suckering you in
23:29 dcook It's just pretty much nonsense
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