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tcohen |
night everyone |
| 00:07 |
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tcohen |
well, i'll try to be around anyway :-P |
| 00:07 |
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tcohen |
hi kiwis :-D |
| 00:12 |
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* wizzyrea |
takes that in the generalisation of "people who are currently in New Zealand" and says |
| 00:12 |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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wahanui |
niihau, wizzyrea |
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tcohen |
wizzyrea: yeah, i'd include everyone in oceania actually |
| 00:30 |
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tcohen |
not just people collecting berries in new zealand |
| 00:31 |
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wizzyrea |
also I don't think these http://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-c[…]/12/Kiwi-Bird.jpg regularly frequent IRC. |
| 00:32 |
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wizzyrea |
they are adorable though. |
| 00:33 |
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tcohen |
they seem so, i'd like to meet them at least once in my lifetime |
| 00:33 |
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wizzyrea |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/w[…]d/d3/Kiwi_aka.jpg these, are kiwi*fruit*, contrary to what everyone claims just about everywhere else. |
| 00:33 |
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* tcohen |
eats kiwi (the fruit) |
| 00:33 |
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wizzyrea |
(of course everyone else is wrong.) |
| 00:33 |
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tcohen |
vitamin c |
| 00:34 |
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wizzyrea |
kiwifruit are good for you. Good for wee babes with, shall we say, backed up tummies. |
| 00:35 |
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eythian |
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static[…]1266343361-28.jpg <-- wizzyrea |
| 00:35 |
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wizzyrea |
loool that's terriawesome |
| 00:35 |
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wizzyrea |
aweibble? |
| 00:36 |
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wizzyrea |
awesibble |
| 00:36 |
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tcohen |
possimpoble |
| 00:37 |
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wizzyrea |
step 5 totally makes that. |
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| 00:39 |
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tcohen |
so, kiwi = eythian, kiwi = fruit, kiwi = bird |
| 00:39 |
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wizzyrea |
kiwifruit is kiwifruit. |
| 00:39 |
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eythian |
^ |
| 00:39 |
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* dcook |
waves |
| 00:39 |
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dcook |
Well, we say kiwi instead of kiwifruit in Canada |
| 00:39 |
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wizzyrea |
you are wrong. >.> |
| 00:39 |
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dcook |
I just don't talk about kiwifruit here in Australia, but my wife calls them kiwifruit |
| 00:40 |
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dcook |
I think we have some on the table at home |
| 00:40 |
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dcook |
Saskatoon berries can be called Saskatoons... :p |
| 00:40 |
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wizzyrea |
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static[…]1266343361-28.jpg |
| 00:40 |
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dcook |
How to prepare a kiwi? |
| 00:40 |
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dcook |
Is the answer beer and/or rugby? |
| 00:40 |
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dcook |
O_O |
| 00:40 |
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wizzyrea |
you should click it. |
| 00:40 |
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* dcook |
just clicked the link |
| 00:41 |
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wizzyrea |
this is why you have to be careful ;) |
| 00:41 |
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wizzyrea |
people might get confused. |
| 00:41 |
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dcook |
French is totally like that though |
| 00:41 |
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dcook |
Heaps of words that change meaning just with context |
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* dcook |
tries to think if English has taken any of them on.. |
| 00:42 |
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dcook |
Gendering of nouns also makes problems when you're not familiar with a language |
| 00:42 |
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dcook |
Like asking for "de la coke" versus "du coke" |
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wizzyrea |
well this just got esoteric. |
| 00:42 |
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dcook |
One being cocaine and the other coca-cola... |
| 00:42 |
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dcook |
I think it's practical :) |
| 00:43 |
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dcook |
Hmm, du coke appears to also refer to carbon.. |
| 00:43 |
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* dcook |
goes back to grumbling about tables in word documents which run off the page.. |
| 00:46 |
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dcook |
Actually, on a side note, has anyone ever had a problem where Wheezy freezes when trying to logout via the desktop gui? |
| 00:47 |
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eythian |
Haven't heard of it, but I don't use it on the desktop |
| 00:48 |
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dcook |
Fair enough |
| 00:48 |
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dcook |
My Wheezy box at home works fine |
| 00:48 |
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dcook |
And I have 2 identical boxes here... it works fine on one of them but doesn't on the other |
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dcook |
:S |
| 00:48 |
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dcook |
The interwebs suggests using the kernel image from wheezy-backports, but seeing that it works on one box but not the other.. |
| 00:48 |
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dcook |
And I swore it was working earlier this week.. |
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wizzyrea |
disk space? |
| 00:52 |
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wizzyrea |
maybe it's trying to write something and the disk is full. |
| 00:52 |
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eythian |
if I had to speculate, most likely graphics hardware related. |
| 00:53 |
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eythian |
something failing during the modeswitch on logout |
| 00:53 |
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wizzyrea |
syslog might tell you though. |
| 00:57 |
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dcook |
eythian: Yeah, the boss is thinking it's graphics hardware related |
| 00:57 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: Yeah, I was scanning the logs but nothing popped out at me :( |
| 00:58 |
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eythian |
if it crashes before it can write to disk, it's crashed before it can write to disk |
| 00:58 |
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dcook |
hmm? |
| 00:59 |
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dcook |
Ah, right |
| 00:59 |
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dcook |
Yeah, so nothing in the logs in that situation.. |
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dcook |
The software should be almost exactly the same on both and they're both using the same hardware |
| 00:59 |
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eythian |
hmm |
| 00:59 |
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eythian |
could just be weird corruption somewhere. |
| 00:59 |
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dcook |
I figure that's the only thing that makes sense |
| 00:59 |
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wizzyrea |
updates on one but not the other? |
| 00:59 |
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dcook |
But trying to find it.. |
| 00:59 |
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eythian |
or, the hardware isn't exactly the same |
| 01:00 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: I thought about that too, but they've had the same updates :S |
| 01:00 |
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dcook |
eythian: I suppose. Hmm... I'm pretty sure it worked with a different monitor. Maybe I'll just check that quickly.. |
| 01:01 |
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eythian |
start by comparing the output of lspci |
| 01:01 |
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eythian |
add -v to be more sure |
| 01:02 |
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eythian |
actually, lshw might be better |
| 01:08 |
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dcook |
Hmm lshw is pretty much identical |
| 01:08 |
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dcook |
Only differences are things like uuid and serial numbers |
| 01:10 |
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dcook |
Same with lspci :/ |
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nwrl |
can someone steer in the right direction on how to make my koha setup a z39 target? |
| 02:00 |
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eythian |
wahanui: z3950 |
| 02:00 |
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wahanui |
eythian: sorry... |
| 02:00 |
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nwrl |
rather make my koha install a z39 target? |
| 02:00 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, probably |
| 02:00 |
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nwrl |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]s_a_Z39.50_server |
| 02:01 |
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wizzyrea |
http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ember/021752.html |
| 02:01 |
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wizzyrea |
it should be in the manual as well |
| 02:01 |
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eythian |
the netstat line in that wiki page totally doesn't do what it says. |
| 02:01 |
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eythian |
Also, '--udp'? |
| 02:02 |
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wizzyrea |
http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#publicztarget |
| 02:02 |
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wizzyrea |
^ this should be the canonical source imo. |
| 02:03 |
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wizzyrea |
z39.50 target is <reply> http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#publicztarget |
| 02:03 |
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wizzyrea |
nwrl ^ |
| 02:03 |
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nwrl |
my issue is where the conf file is? |
| 02:03 |
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wizzyrea |
how did you install koha? |
| 02:03 |
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nwrl |
extremely green |
| 02:03 |
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nwrl |
live install disk |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
probably /etc/koha/sites/<sitename>/koha-conf.xml |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
but I honestly have no idea, that's not a thing we advocate doing for production use. |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
thus I don't know much about how it works. |
| 02:08 |
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nwrl |
our existing ils has poor z39 support, so looking at alternatives |
| 02:10 |
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wizzyrea |
Ah. Which one? |
| 02:10 |
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nwrl |
canadian company |
| 02:10 |
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nwrl |
L4U |
| 02:10 |
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wizzyrea |
not familiar with that one ^.^ |
| 02:11 |
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nwrl |
you're better off ;) |
| 02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
testing with a live disk is fine, come back again if you decide on Koha, we'll help you do it properly :) |
| 02:11 |
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dcook |
L4U... hmm doesn't sound familiar at all |
| 02:11 |
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wizzyrea |
^ canadian |
| 02:12 |
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dcook |
Is it an East coast thing? |
| 02:12 |
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* dcook |
is a western Canadian |
| 02:12 |
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wizzyrea |
kekeke |
| 02:12 |
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dcook |
I thought I knew all the library options at this point :p |
| 02:12 |
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nwrl |
http://www.l4u.com/contact.php |
| 02:13 |
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nwrl |
kelowna bc |
| 02:13 |
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dcook |
Huh... that's interesting |
| 02:13 |
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dcook |
Are you out in BC? |
| 02:13 |
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* dcook |
used to live in Vancouver |
| 02:13 |
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wizzyrea |
OPAC (internet Public Access Catalog) uhhh |
| 02:13 |
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wizzyrea |
lol. |
| 02:13 |
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eythian |
haha |
| 02:13 |
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wizzyrea |
sorry sorry, I shouldn't joke I'm sure it's a lovely catalogue. |
| 02:14 |
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dcook |
"A strong customer focus since the very beginning has led to L4U Library Management Software delivering many industry firsts and winning numerous awards over the years." |
| 02:14 |
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wizzyrea |
ooh, here's a selling feature "There are no confusing libraries or CGI scripts that must be loaded." |
| 02:14 |
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dcook |
I've worked in libraries in Canada since 2006, and I've never heard of this... I've also spent my entire life in libraries... |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
nwrl: Can you tell us more about your organization? Are you running Koha yourselves? |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
"Integrate with existing eBook subscriptions through MARC records" NO WAI! |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
sorry the snark keeps slipping out. |
| 02:15 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: It's part of why we know and love you ;) |
| 02:15 |
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wizzyrea |
probably my least endearing quality ;) |
| 02:16 |
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wizzyrea |
just behind my stubbornness. |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
Hmm, seems like it focuses on schools a lot.. |
| 02:16 |
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* dcook |
isn't so familiar with library software in schools |
| 02:16 |
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nwrl |
no manitoba |
| 02:16 |
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wizzyrea |
there are some special snowflake systems for schools |
| 02:16 |
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dcook |
nwrl: Oh yeah? I'm originally from Saskatchewan :) |
| 02:16 |
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nwrl |
really |
| 02:17 |
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nwrl |
where you current reside? |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
Sydney, Australia |
| 02:17 |
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nwrl |
currently* |
| 02:17 |
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nwrl |
o wow |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
Long way from a small village in rural Saskatchewan, haha. |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
nwrl: What sort of library is it? |
| 02:17 |
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nwrl |
were public |
| 02:17 |
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nwrl |
but local school division uses l4u as well |
| 02:18 |
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nwrl |
more and more L4U is not suiting Public lib's needs |
| 02:18 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah I reckon not. |
| 02:18 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I think I have a friend at the Ministry of Education in Manitoba |
| 02:18 |
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dcook |
They recently switched to Koha |
| 02:19 |
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nwrl |
lot of pl's moving to evergreen |
| 02:19 |
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dcook |
Also a good option |
| 02:19 |
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dcook |
Manitoba Education Library. That's the one I'm thinking. |
| 02:19 |
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nwrl |
hmmm |
| 02:19 |
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dcook |
So are you in Winnipeg? |
| 02:19 |
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nwrl |
nope 5 hrs north |
| 02:19 |
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nwrl |
Swan River |
| 02:19 |
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dcook |
Ah, right |
| 02:19 |
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dcook |
I know people who know people from there |
| 02:20 |
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dcook |
Do you have an IT team? |
| 02:20 |
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nwrl |
nope just i |
| 02:20 |
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dcook |
As in, you're the IT team or you double as IT and library? |
| 02:21 |
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* dcook |
apparently can't use commas correctly today |
| 02:21 |
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dcook |
Hmm, is Swan River an independent public library? |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
I would think you'd be part of a consortium |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
In Saskatchewan, all 306 public libraries are part of one large group |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
I'm mostly asking because this is probably the best way to install Koha: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]lk:Koha_on_Debian |
| 02:23 |
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nwrl |
ya MB in my opinion is way behind the times in that matter |
| 02:23 |
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dcook |
It sounds like it :S |
| 02:23 |
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nwrl |
we do have an internal ILS system that is based off of z39 |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
I'm not really sure what that means ;) |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
Someone wrote something back in the day? |
| 02:24 |
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nwrl |
we have a Interlibrary system based on z39 |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
Actually, going back to your original question, why do you want your Koha to be a z39.50 target? |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
Ahhh |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
That'd do it |
| 02:24 |
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nwrl |
but our current provider doesn't return any more than 20 hits a time |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
Well, if I recall correctly, it should be as easy as changing some settings in koha-conf.xml |
| 02:25 |
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dcook |
And making sure your firewall allows traffic through on port 210 |
| 02:25 |
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nwrl |
yep looking into right now |
| 02:25 |
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nwrl |
i work in IT elsewhere |
| 02:25 |
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dcook |
Ahh |
| 02:25 |
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dcook |
I suppose that was the original intent behind a lot of my questions ;) |
| 02:25 |
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nwrl |
lol |
| 02:25 |
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dcook |
I actually got my MLIS from UBC, but have worked in IT for a few years now |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
While I really like the excitement librarians have for Koha, I want to make sure it's tempered with knowing that technology requires work |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
Maintenance if nothing else. |
| 02:26 |
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nwrl |
ya |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
Even if it is just someone to monitor upgrades, logs, etc. |
| 02:27 |
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dcook |
Anyway, I think that path that wizzyrea gave you is probably the right one |
| 02:27 |
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nwrl |
ya |
| 02:27 |
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nwrl |
currently running vm |
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* eythian |
hates init scripts that silently fail |
| 02:32 |
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* dcook |
hates pretty much anything that silently fails |
| 02:32 |
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eythian |
huh, it wasn't the init script |
| 02:32 |
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eythian |
apparently the 'service' command does something different in jessie. |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
O_o |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
Really? |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
That doesn't sound good |
| 02:32 |
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eythian |
well, it claims to do the same thing |
| 02:32 |
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eythian |
but it didn't work |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
:( |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
Hmm... what happened? |
| 02:32 |
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eythian |
nothing |
| 02:33 |
|
eythian |
silent failure |
| 02:33 |
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dcook |
And it's not that particular service? |
| 02:33 |
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eythian |
if I launch it manually it works |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
Is it missing from the right "rc" dir? |
| 02:34 |
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* dcook |
says having barely ever setup any services ever |
| 02:34 |
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eythian |
I don't think that should matter |
| 02:35 |
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dcook |
I thought /etc/init.d make it a service, but that you had to symlink it into the relevant "rc" to get it to run at boot |
| 02:35 |
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eythian |
I wasn't trying to run it at boot |
| 02:36 |
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dcook |
Ah, right, I gotcha now |
| 02:36 |
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dcook |
You meant manual as in manual |
| 02:36 |
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dcook |
Bizarre |
| 02:36 |
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eythian |
well no, if I /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start it works, if I service koha-zebra-daemon start it doesn't. |
| 02:37 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I eventually figured that's what you meant |
| 02:37 |
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dcook |
:) |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
Hence bizarre :( |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
Ah, but is this the only service where that happens? |
| 02:38 |
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eythian |
dunno |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
Can you start and stop other ones? |
| 02:38 |
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eythian |
probably, I haven't tried |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
It makes me wonder if something inside the koha-zebra-daemon just needs updating |
| 02:39 |
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eythian |
I just wanted zebra working so I can test something against it |
| 02:39 |
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dcook |
Hmm, what is the koha-zebra-daemon? |
| 02:39 |
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wahanui |
somebody said the koha-zebra-daemon was in init.d, linked to koha-zebra-ctl.sh in oleonard's koha bin directory |
| 02:40 |
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eythian |
it starts the koha zebra daemon |
| 02:40 |
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dcook |
But that's not part of the packages |
| 02:40 |
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dcook |
It's for a dev install, I guess? |
| 02:40 |
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eythian |
no, this is a dev setup |
| 02:41 |
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dcook |
Is that the "koha-zebra-ctl.sh" one? |
| 02:41 |
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eythian |
maybe? I dunno |
| 02:41 |
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dcook |
I think so.. |
| 02:41 |
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eythian |
probably |
| 02:41 |
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dcook |
You've symlinked it? |
| 02:41 |
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eythian |
yes, turns out I have |
| 02:42 |
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dcook |
According to "./misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh", it's name is "koha-zebra-ctl.$DBNAME" |
| 02:42 |
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dcook |
I figure it would just use the filename, but maybe it's different in Jessie? |
| 02:42 |
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eythian |
I dunno |
| 02:42 |
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* dcook |
wonders how much that file is really maintained |
| 02:43 |
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eythian |
You don't need to diagnose it for me, I'm doing something else anyway as something else is broken and I don't care enough about it to fix it right now :) |
| 02:43 |
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dcook |
Hehe |
| 02:43 |
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dcook |
Fair enough |
| 02:43 |
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dcook |
I never use it myself. I just Zebra manually when I need to test it |
| 02:44 |
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tcohen |
dcook: isn't it the name for the process? |
| 02:44 |
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dcook |
Could be |
| 02:44 |
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dcook |
I made a Zebra service a while back for Ubuntu and that sounds familiar |
| 02:44 |
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dcook |
Anyway, I should grab food |
| 02:45 |
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tcohen |
bye |
| 02:45 |
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tcohen |
daemon --name=$NAME .. |
| 02:54 |
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eythian |
so far as I can tell, there's a lot of weirdness in searching authorities |
| 02:57 |
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wizzyrea |
you said searching in that sentence, I assumed there'd be weirdness. |
| 03:06 |
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bag |
yes eythian I quite agree with that statement |
| 03:06 |
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bag |
oh an wizzyrea ’s too |
| 03:06 |
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bag |
s/an/and |
| 03:06 |
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eythian |
I was just trying to understand something where it had access to a bit of data, decides not to use it and run a heuristic over it all instead. |
| 03:07 |
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bag |
ha |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
I think I'm going to have a go making something more sensible there. |
| 03:07 |
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bag |
that feels like my brain sometimes |
| 03:07 |
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eythian |
...tempted to put all the info in at index time to make lookups faster. |
| 03:07 |
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wizzyrea |
I suggest that you should do what you think is best. |
| 03:08 |
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wizzyrea |
because... god help us if you put in all of the shenanigans that we've put in over the years. |
| 03:08 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 03:08 |
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wizzyrea |
now's your chance! Make it tidy! |
| 03:08 |
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wizzyrea |
make it sensible! |
| 03:08 |
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bag |
TIDY +1 |
| 03:09 |
|
bag |
@seen trea |
| 03:09 |
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huginn |
bag: trea was last seen in #koha 15 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <trea> indeed |
| 03:09 |
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bag |
oh |
| 03:09 |
|
bag |
@later tell trea - happy birthday man |
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huginn |
bag: The operation succeeded. |
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wizzyrea |
trea has much too much to do to hang out with the kohackers anymore :( |
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bag |
sniff sniff |
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wizzyrea |
ikr :/ |
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bag |
but also at the same time :D |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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bag |
I’m happy for the man who has the best radio voice |
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* bag |
has a soft spot for trea |
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eythian |
funny accent though |
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bag |
HA |
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wizzyrea |
hehehehe |
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bag |
but excellent bass |
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wizzyrea |
he does have the best radio voice. |
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bag |
bass != fish |
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wizzyrea |
I think one of his former jobs still uses his recording for the voicemail system. |
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wizzyrea |
at any rate they used it for a long while after he was gone. |
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bag |
yeah wizzyrea if we ever get that complicated here - I’m calling up trea for that |
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wizzyrea |
hahahahaha |
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wizzyrea |
he'd probably do it too. |
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bag |
I’d hope he would |
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dcook |
hehe |
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* dcook |
really needs a trip to Wellington if only to hear this man's voice... and get some music recommendations |
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* dcook |
seems to recall wizzyrea saying trea was a music lover's music lover. |
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dcook |
... |
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dcook |
That sounded less weird in my head. |
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dcook |
Hmm, has anyone had any issues downloading CSV results of SQL reports in the Report module? |
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dcook |
Hmm, no problem with 9999 rows, but 13,000 is failing.. |
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dcook |
10000 is ok.. |
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bag |
hmm is there a hardcoded limit? |
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dcook |
Sort of |
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dcook |
But the limit should stop anything weird happening I would think :S |
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dcook |
Unless the file is getting corrupted I guess... |
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bag |
I thought maybe there was - or a syspref? |
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dcook |
Well, it's also a local version of the code, which makes it extra special ;) |
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bag |
take the limit off your report :P |
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bag |
heh - just kidding |
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dcook |
I think the harcoded limit is... 99,999 |
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dcook |
But we might have a cap on 10,000? |
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dcook |
I guess the thing to try is 10,001 |
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dcook |
I think I got a partially downloaded result of 12,000 rows though.. |
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dcook |
Ah, we have a limit of 500,000... |
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dcook |
Weird... |
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wahanui |
well, weird is normal after a while :) |
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dcook |
So true |
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dcook |
11,000 rows download fine... 11,500 hangs after 7,000-some rows |
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dcook |
Hmm... |
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dcook |
At least the first 2-3 times |
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dcook |
The fourth try downloaded fine |
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dcook |
... |
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dcook |
Yep... fired off 3 download requests in a row... the first two are hanging but the third completed |
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dcook |
:S |
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dcook |
Well that's supremely frustrating. |
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dcook |
Well... that's interesting... |
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dcook |
When I use "warn" to log every line, it downloads perfectly every time. |
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bag |
ha |
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bag |
“warn†that seems … |
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dcook |
Like it would explode your logs really quickly? :) |
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dcook |
Hmm... ever more Perl dependencies.. |
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dcook |
Hmm, looks like there have been improvements made... |
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dcook |
Mmm, and I bet it works in master now because the Export looks like it's done way nicer.. |
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dcook |
Damn it... |
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dcook |
bag: Looks like it was the reverse proxy making things time out :p |
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bag |
:) |
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dcook |
Or not :( |
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dcook |
Very strange that it works sporadically |
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dcook |
No, it's totes the reverse proxy |
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sis |
after upgrading to koha 3.18.03 the search results are nt there and we receive an error as Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 800. |
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sis |
how to sort out the error |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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sis |
can someone help |
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magnuse |
sis: what did you upgrade from? which version? |
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sis |
3.18 to 3.18.3 |
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sis |
from 16 to 18 3.16.4 to 3.18 |
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magnuse |
my first gut feeling is that it might have to do with grs1 and dom |
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magnuse |
do you know how you are indexing? |
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sis |
right |
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sis |
i used dom |
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sis |
and changed in koha-conf.xml |
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sis |
those 4 lines were nt there |
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sis |
i added them manually |
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magnuse |
ok |
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magnuse |
and did you restart zebra and then reindex everything? |
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sis |
used http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/switiching_to_do.. |
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sis |
yes |
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sis |
do i need to change this anywhere else than koha-conf.xml |
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magnuse |
no, that should not be necessary |
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magnuse |
do you get any errors when you reindex? |
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sis |
no error |
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sis |
only warn Class::XSAccessor is old |
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sis |
i manually installed new one |
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magnuse |
sis: do you get the error for all searches or just some? |
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mveron |
Good daytime #koha |
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mveron |
@wunder allschwil |
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huginn |
mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is -2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
kia ora, alex_a |
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Joubu |
Good morning #koha |
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mveron |
hi cait :-) |
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cait |
hi mveron |
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mveron |
Included ordered: = "Einschliesslich Bestellungen" ? on /cgi-bin/koha/circ/reserveratios.pl |
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mveron |
It is the filter "Refine results" |
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cait |
hm maybe... einschließlich bestellexemplaren? |
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cait |
i think that's what it does... icluding or not including the on order items |
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mveron |
Better, inclusiver szett... |
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cait |
we found some more things in training th elast days |
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cait |
have to work through lots of little notes on my materials today |
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cait |
and decipher |
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mveron |
Ok, will wait until late afternoon to take de-DE as a base for de-CH |
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mveron |
Hi drojf :-) |
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* magnuse |
winket |
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* mveron |
winkt zurück |
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drojf |
hi mveron, magnuse and #koha |
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magnuse |
moin drojf |
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drojf |
i think vormerkrate is weird. it is actually something like a vormerk(ungs)verhältnis (verhältnis zwischen vormerkungen und vorhandenen exemplaren) as oleonard explained to me. but i found it a few times like this, so i used it too for consistency |
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cait |
hm hold ratio i think in english |
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cait |
no better idea from me i am afraid |
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cait |
ok, bbl :) |
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kivilahtio |
eythian: Sorry, maybe next year. |
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fridolin |
hie all |
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magnuse |
bonjour fridolin |
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fridolin |
bonjour monsieur magnuse |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 10.7°C (10:52 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady). |
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gerundio |
rolando.isidoroyahoo.comNm6kiBsVlOgx |
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gerundio |
bad copy + paste |
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gerundio |
password change on the way :| |
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drojf |
anyone using fulfILLment in production? |
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tcohen |
morning |
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oleonard |
drojf: I tried to volunteer my library for fulfILLment + Koha testing and got nowhere. |
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drojf |
oleonard: i see. i tried to read the docuentation wiki and found that there have been daily spam bot changes for at least 2 months now :/ |
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drojf |
*documentation |
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oleonard |
drojf: Same with their developers' mailing list |
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drojf |
there are people on irc but it is probably the wrong time of day. or they are spa bots too :D |
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drojf |
*spam |
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drojf |
ok but that is not really promising |
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oleonard |
yeah I don't like that whatever is going on with the project is going on behind closed doors. |
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jcamins |
drojf: spa bots? This is a great idea! |
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drojf |
exactly! |
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jcamins |
"Would you like another peeled grape with your Interlibrary Loan?" |
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drojf |
heh |
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* oleonard |
programs a spa bot to follow him around and give back rubs |
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oleonard |
@wunder 45701 |
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huginn |
oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -22.3°C (8:35 AM EST on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 30.44 in 1031 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 11 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday... |
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drojf |
i never used evergreen (which fulfILLment is based on), so maybe setting it all up is self explaining or the evergreen documentation is enough to set up fulfILLment. but maybe not. don't feel like spending a lot of time on that now if that is unclear |
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oleonard |
I guess I should program the spa bot to follow me around with a portable heater |
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drojf |
goodness |
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jcamins |
@wunder 11375 |
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huginn |
jcamins: The current temperature in Meadow Lake, New York, New York is -15.7°C (8:15 AM EST on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -24.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am EST this morning... |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 9.0°C (2:20 PM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). |
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drojf |
spring \o/ |
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drojf |
kind of |
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khall |
First try at a true REST service. Looking for any input: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13738 |
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huginn |
Bug 13738: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Add RESTful Borrower service |
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tcohen |
khall++ |
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khall |
still a very rough work in progress, but we need something to throw stones at. Comment and criticize as much as possible! |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13593: (follow-up) 'stock number' should be 'inventory number' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a955b4dd9d4ff38fa> / Bug 13593: 'stock number' should be 'inventory number' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e1c361ddd434a595b> / Bug 12858 [QA Followup] - Don't call webservice if we have no data <http://git.koha-com |
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magnuse |
khall: is that coordinated with ashimema's efforts to submit pianohacker's restful code? |
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khall |
magnuse: indeed! |
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magnuse |
very cool! |
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magnuse |
@later tell ashimema any chance of getting a look at your latest and greatest ill code before marseille? |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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khall |
What'd I like to to create one service that is feature complete to use as a template and guideline for future services |
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magnuse |
sounds like A Very Good Idea! |
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* magnuse |
wanders off to make pizza |
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cait |
drojf: do you have time for translating? |
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drojf |
cait: not in this second (cooking) but today, yes |
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drojf |
is there more? |
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drojf |
i still see 4 words left ;) |
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cait |
only a bit butnot sure when i can get to it |
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cait |
still trying to sort things out here :) |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
so somene did already! |
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drojf |
yes. i did. yesterday. where did you think my translation questions came from? D |
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drojf |
:D |
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cait |
drofj++ # translation hero |
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drojf |
heh. there were like 150 words :P |
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drojf |
and i had not even contributed anything to the 3.18 translation |
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drojf |
the translation server was much shinier and faster than i remembered it :) |
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cait |
that's good - search was giving problems for a while |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
awesome now! |
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cait |
bgkriegel++ tcohen++ |
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oleonard |
I wonder if Bug 8753 includes some mechanism for "expiring" password reset links |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Patch doesn't apply , Add forgot password link to OPAC |
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* oleonard |
hasn't wondered hard enough to look at the code yet |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12948: Use word indexing for language (MARC21) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bc7dda1bf282be8f0> / Bug 12948: Use word indexing for language (NORMARC) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9436ad5e854ea4f34> / Bug 13690: use Koha::Schema only when it's needed <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=comm |
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oleonard |
I disagree that dates should be shown with times by default (Bug 13739) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13739 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , KohaDates should display hours if they exists by default unless specified |
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oleonard |
Oh wait, I'm speaking too soon. |
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oleonard |
It excludes hours if the time is 23:59. |
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oleonard |
Never mind. |
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wahanui |
Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
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* cait |
waves at oleonard |
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oleonard |
wahanui: How come you never give me back rubs? |
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wahanui |
oleonard: bugger all, i dunno |
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nengard_phone |
LOL |
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spahanui |
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AmitG |
chris around |
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mveron |
hi cait and drojf, I downloaded de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po, open it in Poedit and save, gets one error: 'msgstr' is not a valid C format string... |
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mveron |
%sAdd%sDuplicate%s Modify%s patron (%s%s%s%sOrganization%s%sAdult%s%sChild%s%sProfessional%s%sStaff%s%s) |
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mveron |
^ that's the source text |
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drojf |
mveron: it's because of nested brackets |
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drojf |
in the german version |
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mveron |
drojf: I did a new translation in my cd-CH file, and it saves OK... |
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mveron |
de-CH .. |
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drojf |
it saved ok for me too, but it complained at one point |
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drojf |
i think the german version of professional has parentheses |
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mveron |
copied down original and filled in the words. Text / brackets are the same. |
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mveron |
and it saved without complaints |
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Joubu |
have a good weekend #koha |
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tcohen |
=D |
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Hi guys, i need info about the access from koha to a other DB server, but not the GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES access... |
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geek_cl |
i mean a secure access to PROD Koha server |
| 17:30 |
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geek_cl |
Hi guys, i need info about the access from koha to a other DB server, but not the GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES access... |
| 17:30 |
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geek_cl |
i mean a secure access to PROD Koha server |
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tcohen |
geek_cl: de vuelta |
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geek_cl |
hey! |
| 17:32 |
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geek_cl |
i just find this: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rate_MySQL_server, but is not most secure conf, right ? |
| 17:34 |
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geek_cl |
tcohen, queda claro ? |
| 17:38 |
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tcohen |
what you mean "not secure"? |
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tcohen |
it depends on your infrastructure actually |
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tcohen |
you usually put a firewall in front of it |
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tcohen |
allowing only a specific IP access to mysql's port |
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tcohen |
our institution (for example) has an internal database server that is only reachable internally |
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| 17:41 |
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tcohen |
doubts? |
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geek_cl |
we have two Koha enviroments, DEV and PROD, the security guy is fine with GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES with DEV server, but he not like the same access to the PROD servers |
| 17:42 |
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geek_cl |
the DB server is a remote only DB dediated server |
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geek_cl |
dedicated" |
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geek_cl |
they can granulate the privileges, but user koha-{dev,prod}-server, but the problem is "GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES" |
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tcohen |
you need most of the privileges (i.e. on install/upgrade you might need to drop/create tables) |
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geek_cl |
tcohen, not for install, in fact it is a prod server, just running a "static" koha. |
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tcohen |
yes, but think of any upgrade |
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geek_cl |
yeah. |
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tcohen |
you should ask for all table manipulation permissions |
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tcohen |
and avoid asking for db users management |
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tcohen |
that's what you can tell the sysop guy |
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geek_cl |
tcohen, i mean , actually the user koha_mylibrary have this permissions, http://pbrd.co/1EdMEVz ,, they want less (or more secure) privileges. |
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tcohen |
so what is the question? |
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tcohen |
i think you can safely remove the administration permissions, as I said |
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bag |
morning |
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bag |
forgot to say hi when I got in :P |
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tcohen |
Joubu: do we still have fk issues with t/db_dependent/Ratings.t ? |
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geek_cl |
tcohen, Ok we going to talk about it... i thinking in this: http://pastebin.com/smyuV4QG |
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tcohen |
bag: heh, good morning! |
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tcohen |
geek_cl: yes, he/she will say 'no' because of the 'all' |
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geek_cl |
tcohen, right! but? we can disable the administration "column" of the image pasted? |
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tcohen |
talk to you DBA, will understand |
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tcohen |
and yes |
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geek_cl |
tcohen, thanks . |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi tomas |
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cait |
:) |
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tcohen |
cait: can u do me a favor? |
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cait |
phone |
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tcohen |
prove t/db_dependent/Ratings.t |
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cait |
sec |
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cait |
hm now |
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cait |
tcohen: tests pass for me |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13645 [QA Followup] - Add DBIx::Connector to the list of dependancies <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]371e04be1501ca107> / Bug 13645: Use DBIx::Connector <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9adcd4c925f9244b4> / Bug 13645: Cache the DBIx connection <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a=commitdiff;h=35 |
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tcohen |
Joubu++ # taking DBIx usage seriously |
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tcohen |
khall++ # taking DBIx usage seriously |
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tcohen |
@karma Joubu |
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huginn |
tcohen: Karma for "Joubu" has been increased 125 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 125. |
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tcohen |
Joubu++ |
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tcohen |
khall++ |
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tcohen |
happy friday! |
| 18:54 |
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tcohen |
:-D |
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cait |
:) |
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bag |
oh excellent |
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bag |
Joubu++ |
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bag |
khall++ |
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drojf |
zu müde für alles |
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drojf |
heh wrong window |
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cait |
even for english? :) |
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drojf |
yup :D |
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cait |
i can agree to tired |
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* jcamins |
too. |
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cait |
why are you tired? :) |
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jcamins |
cait: flu. |
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cait |
oh |
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* jcamins |
is trying to eat his first actual meal since Tuesday. It's not working so well. |
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cait |
good luck? |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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tcohen |
have a nice weekend everyone |
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cait |
you too! |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #639 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_Docs build #639: SUCCESS in 3 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/639/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: remove tip about iso because now it says marc |
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barton |
dcook [or any other zebra wizards] -- I have a quick question about ccl.properties -- I'm seeing the following entry: Summary 1=Summary |
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barton |
how does that work? |
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barton |
in bib1.att, we have this: att 9902 Summary |
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* barton |
is purplexed. |
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drojf |
barton: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Zebra_indexing |
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barton |
drojf: that covers the syntax <index-name> 1=<bib 1 attribute> -- e.g. Doc-id 1=1032 ... that I understand. but when it looks like this: <index-name> 1=<index-name>, e.g. 'Summary 1=Summary' it doesn't make sense -- it seems to point to itself. |
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wnickc |
barton: is bug 6499 supposed to inxed 035z as well as a? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, barton, Needs Signoff , MARC21 035 -- Other-control-number -- Indexing & Matching |
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barton |
wnickc: yes. |
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wnickc |
hm...is it? |
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wnickc |
working for a, not z, unless it doesn't like my made up number |
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barton |
wnickc: last time I checked... |
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wnickc |
hm...will keep playing, thought maybe it was restarting zebra |
| 22:15 |
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wnickc |
js is missing closing ); |
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barton |
*sigh* |
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wnickc |
barton:oh, maybe I should copy the thrid file over instead of just two ;) |
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barton |
wnickc: that's the story of my life, when it comes to zebra. Murphy's law has a tight grip on that beast. |
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wnickc |
barton:huzzah |
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barton |
wnickc: is that agreement, or success? ;-) |
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wnickc |
can't it be both? |
| 22:38 |
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wnickc |
but indeed success |
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barton |
wnickc: well, we *were* talking about murphy's law ... ;-) you're right, success and agreement aren't mutually exclusive. IN any case, I say HUZZAH! |
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