Time Nick Message 00:07 tcohen night everyone 00:07 tcohen well, i'll try to be around anyway :-P 00:07 tcohen hi kiwis :-D 00:12 * wizzyrea takes that in the generalisation of "people who are currently in New Zealand" and says 00:12 wizzyrea hi 00:12 wahanui niihau, wizzyrea 00:30 tcohen wizzyrea: yeah, i'd include everyone in oceania actually 00:30 tcohen not just people collecting berries in new zealand 00:31 wizzyrea also I don't think these http://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Kiwi-Bird.jpg regularly frequent IRC. 00:32 wizzyrea they are adorable though. 00:33 tcohen they seem so, i'd like to meet them at least once in my lifetime 00:33 wizzyrea https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Kiwi_aka.jpg these, are kiwi*fruit*, contrary to what everyone claims just about everywhere else. 00:33 * tcohen eats kiwi (the fruit) 00:33 wizzyrea (of course everyone else is wrong.) 00:33 tcohen vitamin c 00:34 wizzyrea kiwifruit are good for you. Good for wee babes with, shall we say, backed up tummies. 00:35 eythian http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/2/16/13/how-to-prepare-a-kiwi-16649-1266343361-28.jpg <-- wizzyrea 00:35 wizzyrea loool that's terriawesome 00:35 wizzyrea aweibble? 00:36 wizzyrea awesibble 00:36 tcohen possimpoble 00:37 wizzyrea step 5 totally makes that. 00:39 tcohen so, kiwi = eythian, kiwi = fruit, kiwi = bird 00:39 wizzyrea kiwifruit is kiwifruit. 00:39 eythian ^ 00:39 * dcook waves 00:39 dcook Well, we say kiwi instead of kiwifruit in Canada 00:39 wizzyrea you are wrong. >.> 00:39 dcook I just don't talk about kiwifruit here in Australia, but my wife calls them kiwifruit 00:40 dcook I think we have some on the table at home 00:40 dcook Saskatoon berries can be called Saskatoons... :p 00:40 wizzyrea http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/2/16/13/how-to-prepare-a-kiwi-16649-1266343361-28.jpg 00:40 dcook How to prepare a kiwi? 00:40 dcook Is the answer beer and/or rugby? 00:40 dcook O_O 00:40 wizzyrea you should click it. 00:40 * dcook just clicked the link 00:41 wizzyrea this is why you have to be careful ;) 00:41 wizzyrea people might get confused. 00:41 dcook French is totally like that though 00:41 dcook Heaps of words that change meaning just with context 00:42 * dcook tries to think if English has taken any of them on.. 00:42 dcook Gendering of nouns also makes problems when you're not familiar with a language 00:42 dcook Like asking for "de la coke" versus "du coke" 00:42 wizzyrea well this just got esoteric. 00:42 dcook One being cocaine and the other coca-cola... 00:42 dcook I think it's practical :) 00:43 dcook Hmm, du coke appears to also refer to carbon.. 00:43 * dcook goes back to grumbling about tables in word documents which run off the page.. 00:46 dcook Actually, on a side note, has anyone ever had a problem where Wheezy freezes when trying to logout via the desktop gui? 00:47 eythian Haven't heard of it, but I don't use it on the desktop 00:48 dcook Fair enough 00:48 dcook My Wheezy box at home works fine 00:48 dcook And I have 2 identical boxes here... it works fine on one of them but doesn't on the other 00:48 dcook :S 00:48 dcook The interwebs suggests using the kernel image from wheezy-backports, but seeing that it works on one box but not the other.. 00:48 dcook And I swore it was working earlier this week.. 00:52 wizzyrea disk space? 00:52 wizzyrea maybe it's trying to write something and the disk is full. 00:52 eythian if I had to speculate, most likely graphics hardware related. 00:53 eythian something failing during the modeswitch on logout 00:53 wizzyrea syslog might tell you though. 00:57 dcook eythian: Yeah, the boss is thinking it's graphics hardware related 00:57 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah, I was scanning the logs but nothing popped out at me :( 00:58 eythian if it crashes before it can write to disk, it's crashed before it can write to disk 00:58 dcook hmm? 00:59 dcook Ah, right 00:59 dcook Yeah, so nothing in the logs in that situation.. 00:59 dcook The software should be almost exactly the same on both and they're both using the same hardware 00:59 eythian hmm 00:59 eythian could just be weird corruption somewhere. 00:59 dcook I figure that's the only thing that makes sense 00:59 wizzyrea updates on one but not the other? 00:59 dcook But trying to find it.. 00:59 eythian or, the hardware isn't exactly the same 01:00 dcook wizzyrea: I thought about that too, but they've had the same updates :S 01:00 dcook eythian: I suppose. Hmm... I'm pretty sure it worked with a different monitor. Maybe I'll just check that quickly.. 01:01 eythian start by comparing the output of lspci 01:01 eythian add -v to be more sure 01:02 eythian actually, lshw might be better 01:08 dcook Hmm lshw is pretty much identical 01:08 dcook Only differences are things like uuid and serial numbers 01:10 dcook Same with lspci :/ 02:00 nwrl can someone steer in the right direction on how to make my koha setup a z39 target? 02:00 eythian wahanui: z3950 02:00 wahanui eythian: sorry... 02:00 nwrl rather make my koha install a z39 target? 02:00 wizzyrea yes, probably 02:00 nwrl http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server 02:01 wizzyrea http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-December/021752.html 02:01 wizzyrea it should be in the manual as well 02:01 eythian the netstat line in that wiki page totally doesn't do what it says. 02:01 eythian Also, '--udp'? 02:02 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/systemfaq.html#publicztarget 02:02 wizzyrea ^ this should be the canonical source imo. 02:03 wizzyrea z39.50 target is <reply> http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/systemfaq.html#publicztarget 02:03 wizzyrea nwrl ^ 02:03 nwrl my issue is where the conf file is? 02:03 wizzyrea how did you install koha? 02:03 nwrl extremely green 02:03 nwrl live install disk 02:04 wizzyrea probably /etc/koha/sites/<sitename>/koha-conf.xml 02:04 wizzyrea but I honestly have no idea, that's not a thing we advocate doing for production use. 02:04 wizzyrea thus I don't know much about how it works. 02:08 nwrl our existing ils has poor z39 support, so looking at alternatives 02:10 wizzyrea Ah. Which one? 02:10 nwrl canadian company 02:10 nwrl L4U 02:10 wizzyrea not familiar with that one ^.^ 02:11 nwrl you're better off ;) 02:11 wizzyrea testing with a live disk is fine, come back again if you decide on Koha, we'll help you do it properly :) 02:11 dcook L4U... hmm doesn't sound familiar at all 02:11 wizzyrea ^ canadian 02:12 dcook Is it an East coast thing? 02:12 * dcook is a western Canadian 02:12 wizzyrea kekeke 02:12 dcook I thought I knew all the library options at this point :p 02:12 nwrl http://www.l4u.com/contact.php 02:13 nwrl kelowna bc 02:13 dcook Huh... that's interesting 02:13 dcook Are you out in BC? 02:13 * dcook used to live in Vancouver 02:13 wizzyrea OPAC (internet Public Access Catalog) uhhh 02:13 wizzyrea lol. 02:13 eythian haha 02:13 wizzyrea sorry sorry, I shouldn't joke I'm sure it's a lovely catalogue. 02:14 dcook "A strong customer focus since the very beginning has led to L4U Library Management Software delivering many industry firsts and winning numerous awards over the years." 02:14 wizzyrea ooh, here's a selling feature "There are no confusing libraries or CGI scripts that must be loaded." 02:14 dcook I've worked in libraries in Canada since 2006, and I've never heard of this... I've also spent my entire life in libraries... 02:15 dcook nwrl: Can you tell us more about your organization? Are you running Koha yourselves? 02:15 wizzyrea "Integrate with existing eBook subscriptions through MARC records" NO WAI! 02:15 wizzyrea sorry the snark keeps slipping out. 02:15 dcook wizzyrea: It's part of why we know and love you ;) 02:15 wizzyrea probably my least endearing quality ;) 02:16 wizzyrea just behind my stubbornness. 02:16 dcook Hmm, seems like it focuses on schools a lot.. 02:16 * dcook isn't so familiar with library software in schools 02:16 nwrl no manitoba 02:16 wizzyrea there are some special snowflake systems for schools 02:16 dcook nwrl: Oh yeah? I'm originally from Saskatchewan :) 02:16 nwrl really 02:17 nwrl where you current reside? 02:17 dcook Sydney, Australia 02:17 nwrl currently* 02:17 nwrl o wow 02:17 dcook Long way from a small village in rural Saskatchewan, haha. 02:17 dcook nwrl: What sort of library is it? 02:17 nwrl were public 02:17 nwrl but local school division uses l4u as well 02:18 nwrl more and more L4U is not suiting Public lib's needs 02:18 wizzyrea yeah I reckon not. 02:18 dcook Yeah, I think I have a friend at the Ministry of Education in Manitoba 02:18 dcook They recently switched to Koha 02:19 nwrl lot of pl's moving to evergreen 02:19 dcook Also a good option 02:19 dcook Manitoba Education Library. That's the one I'm thinking. 02:19 nwrl hmmm 02:19 dcook So are you in Winnipeg? 02:19 nwrl nope 5 hrs north 02:19 nwrl Swan River 02:19 dcook Ah, right 02:19 dcook I know people who know people from there 02:20 dcook Do you have an IT team? 02:20 nwrl nope just i 02:20 dcook As in, you're the IT team or you double as IT and library? 02:21 * dcook apparently can't use commas correctly today 02:21 dcook Hmm, is Swan River an independent public library? 02:22 dcook I would think you'd be part of a consortium 02:22 dcook In Saskatchewan, all 306 public libraries are part of one large group 02:22 dcook I'm mostly asking because this is probably the best way to install Koha: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Koha_on_Debian 02:23 nwrl ya MB in my opinion is way behind the times in that matter 02:23 dcook It sounds like it :S 02:23 nwrl we do have an internal ILS system that is based off of z39 02:24 dcook I'm not really sure what that means ;) 02:24 dcook Someone wrote something back in the day? 02:24 nwrl we have a Interlibrary system based on z39 02:24 dcook Actually, going back to your original question, why do you want your Koha to be a z39.50 target? 02:24 dcook Ahhh 02:24 dcook That'd do it 02:24 nwrl but our current provider doesn't return any more than 20 hits a time 02:24 dcook Well, if I recall correctly, it should be as easy as changing some settings in koha-conf.xml 02:25 dcook And making sure your firewall allows traffic through on port 210 02:25 nwrl yep looking into right now 02:25 nwrl i work in IT elsewhere 02:25 dcook Ahh 02:25 dcook I suppose that was the original intent behind a lot of my questions ;) 02:25 nwrl lol 02:25 dcook I actually got my MLIS from UBC, but have worked in IT for a few years now 02:26 dcook While I really like the excitement librarians have for Koha, I want to make sure it's tempered with knowing that technology requires work 02:26 dcook Maintenance if nothing else. 02:26 nwrl ya 02:26 dcook Even if it is just someone to monitor upgrades, logs, etc. 02:27 dcook Anyway, I think that path that wizzyrea gave you is probably the right one 02:27 nwrl ya 02:27 nwrl currently running vm 02:31 * eythian hates init scripts that silently fail 02:32 * dcook hates pretty much anything that silently fails 02:32 eythian huh, it wasn't the init script 02:32 eythian apparently the 'service' command does something different in jessie. 02:32 dcook O_o 02:32 dcook Really? 02:32 dcook That doesn't sound good 02:32 eythian well, it claims to do the same thing 02:32 eythian but it didn't work 02:32 dcook :( 02:32 dcook Hmm... what happened? 02:32 eythian nothing 02:33 eythian silent failure 02:33 dcook And it's not that particular service? 02:33 eythian if I launch it manually it works 02:34 dcook Is it missing from the right "rc" dir? 02:34 * dcook says having barely ever setup any services ever 02:34 eythian I don't think that should matter 02:35 dcook I thought /etc/init.d make it a service, but that you had to symlink it into the relevant "rc" to get it to run at boot 02:35 eythian I wasn't trying to run it at boot 02:36 dcook Ah, right, I gotcha now 02:36 dcook You meant manual as in manual 02:36 dcook Bizarre 02:36 eythian well no, if I /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start it works, if I service koha-zebra-daemon start it doesn't. 02:37 dcook Yeah, I eventually figured that's what you meant 02:37 dcook :) 02:38 dcook Hence bizarre :( 02:38 dcook Ah, but is this the only service where that happens? 02:38 eythian dunno 02:38 dcook Can you start and stop other ones? 02:38 eythian probably, I haven't tried 02:38 dcook It makes me wonder if something inside the koha-zebra-daemon just needs updating 02:39 eythian I just wanted zebra working so I can test something against it 02:39 dcook Hmm, what is the koha-zebra-daemon? 02:39 wahanui somebody said the koha-zebra-daemon was in init.d, linked to koha-zebra-ctl.sh in oleonard's koha bin directory 02:40 eythian it starts the koha zebra daemon 02:40 dcook But that's not part of the packages 02:40 dcook It's for a dev install, I guess? 02:40 eythian no, this is a dev setup 02:41 dcook Is that the "koha-zebra-ctl.sh" one? 02:41 eythian maybe? I dunno 02:41 dcook I think so.. 02:41 eythian probably 02:41 dcook You've symlinked it? 02:41 eythian yes, turns out I have 02:42 dcook According to "./misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh", it's name is "koha-zebra-ctl.$DBNAME" 02:42 dcook I figure it would just use the filename, but maybe it's different in Jessie? 02:42 eythian I dunno 02:42 * dcook wonders how much that file is really maintained 02:43 eythian You don't need to diagnose it for me, I'm doing something else anyway as something else is broken and I don't care enough about it to fix it right now :) 02:43 dcook Hehe 02:43 dcook Fair enough 02:43 dcook I never use it myself. I just Zebra manually when I need to test it 02:44 tcohen dcook: isn't it the name for the process? 02:44 dcook Could be 02:44 dcook I made a Zebra service a while back for Ubuntu and that sounds familiar 02:44 dcook Anyway, I should grab food 02:45 tcohen bye 02:45 tcohen daemon --name=$NAME .. 02:54 eythian so far as I can tell, there's a lot of weirdness in searching authorities 02:57 wizzyrea you said searching in that sentence, I assumed there'd be weirdness. 03:06 bag yes eythian I quite agree with that statement 03:06 bag oh an wizzyrea ’s too 03:06 bag s/an/and 03:06 eythian I was just trying to understand something where it had access to a bit of data, decides not to use it and run a heuristic over it all instead. 03:07 bag ha 03:07 eythian I think I'm going to have a go making something more sensible there. 03:07 bag that feels like my brain sometimes 03:07 eythian ...tempted to put all the info in at index time to make lookups faster. 03:07 wizzyrea I suggest that you should do what you think is best. 03:08 wizzyrea because... god help us if you put in all of the shenanigans that we've put in over the years. 03:08 eythian heh 03:08 wizzyrea now's your chance! Make it tidy! 03:08 wizzyrea make it sensible! 03:08 bag TIDY +1 03:09 bag @seen trea 03:09 huginn bag: trea was last seen in #koha 15 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <trea> indeed 03:09 bag oh 03:09 bag @later tell trea - happy birthday man 03:09 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 03:09 wizzyrea trea has much too much to do to hang out with the kohackers anymore :( 03:09 bag sniff sniff 03:09 wizzyrea ikr :/ 03:09 bag but also at the same time :D 03:09 wizzyrea :) 03:10 bag I’m happy for the man who has the best radio voice 03:10 * bag has a soft spot for trea 03:10 eythian funny accent though 03:10 bag HA 03:10 wizzyrea hehehehe 03:10 bag but excellent bass 03:10 wizzyrea he does have the best radio voice. 03:10 bag bass != fish 03:10 wizzyrea I think one of his former jobs still uses his recording for the voicemail system. 03:11 wizzyrea at any rate they used it for a long while after he was gone. 03:11 bag yeah wizzyrea if we ever get that complicated here - I’m calling up trea for that 03:11 wizzyrea hahahahaha 03:11 wizzyrea he'd probably do it too. 03:11 bag I’d hope he would 03:46 dcook hehe 03:46 * dcook really needs a trip to Wellington if only to hear this man's voice... and get some music recommendations 03:47 * dcook seems to recall wizzyrea saying trea was a music lover's music lover. 03:47 dcook ... 03:47 dcook That sounded less weird in my head. 04:50 dcook Hmm, has anyone had any issues downloading CSV results of SQL reports in the Report module? 04:52 dcook Hmm, no problem with 9999 rows, but 13,000 is failing.. 04:53 dcook 10000 is ok.. 04:56 bag hmm is there a hardcoded limit? 04:56 dcook Sort of 04:56 dcook But the limit should stop anything weird happening I would think :S 04:56 dcook Unless the file is getting corrupted I guess... 04:56 bag I thought maybe there was - or a syspref? 04:56 dcook Well, it's also a local version of the code, which makes it extra special ;) 04:56 bag take the limit off your report :P 04:57 bag heh - just kidding 04:57 dcook I think the harcoded limit is... 99,999 04:57 dcook But we might have a cap on 10,000? 04:57 dcook I guess the thing to try is 10,001 04:58 dcook I think I got a partially downloaded result of 12,000 rows though.. 04:59 dcook Ah, we have a limit of 500,000... 05:09 dcook Weird... 05:09 wahanui well, weird is normal after a while :) 05:09 dcook So true 05:09 dcook 11,000 rows download fine... 11,500 hangs after 7,000-some rows 05:10 dcook Hmm... 05:10 dcook At least the first 2-3 times 05:10 dcook The fourth try downloaded fine 05:10 dcook ... 05:10 dcook Yep... fired off 3 download requests in a row... the first two are hanging but the third completed 05:10 dcook :S 05:29 dcook Well that's supremely frustrating. 05:32 dcook Well... that's interesting... 05:33 dcook When I use "warn" to log every line, it downloads perfectly every time. 05:37 bag ha 05:38 bag “warn†that seems … 05:38 dcook Like it would explode your logs really quickly? :) 05:40 dcook Hmm... ever more Perl dependencies.. 05:44 dcook Hmm, looks like there have been improvements made... 05:45 dcook Mmm, and I bet it works in master now because the Export looks like it's done way nicer.. 05:54 dcook Damn it... 06:21 dcook bag: Looks like it was the reverse proxy making things time out :p 06:22 bag :) 06:26 dcook Or not :( 06:27 dcook Very strange that it works sporadically 06:29 dcook No, it's totes the reverse proxy 07:09 sis after upgrading to koha 3.18.03 the search results are nt there and we receive an error as Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 800. 07:10 sis how to sort out the error 07:14 * magnuse waves 07:17 sis can someone help 07:19 magnuse sis: what did you upgrade from? which version? 07:22 sis 3.18 to 3.18.3 07:25 sis from 16 to 18 3.16.4 to 3.18 07:27 magnuse my first gut feeling is that it might have to do with grs1 and dom 07:27 magnuse do you know how you are indexing? 07:27 sis right 07:27 sis i used dom 07:27 sis and changed in koha-conf.xml 07:27 sis those 4 lines were nt there 07:27 sis i added them manually 07:27 magnuse ok 07:27 magnuse and did you restart zebra and then reindex everything? 07:28 sis used http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/switiching_to_do.. 07:28 sis yes 07:28 sis do i need to change this anywhere else than koha-conf.xml 07:31 magnuse no, that should not be necessary 07:31 magnuse do you get any errors when you reindex? 07:31 sis no error 07:31 sis only warn Class::XSAccessor is old 07:32 sis i manually installed new one 07:54 magnuse sis: do you get the error for all searches or just some? 07:57 mveron Good daytime #koha 07:57 mveron @wunder allschwil 07:57 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is -2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 07:58 alex_a bonjour 07:58 wahanui kia ora, alex_a 07:59 Joubu Good morning #koha 07:59 mveron hi cait :-) 08:00 cait hi mveron 08:00 mveron Included ordered: = "Einschliesslich Bestellungen" ? on /cgi-bin/koha/circ/reserveratios.pl 08:00 mveron It is the filter "Refine results" 08:03 cait hm maybe... einschließlich bestellexemplaren? 08:03 cait i think that's what it does... icluding or not including the on order items 08:03 mveron Better, inclusiver szett... 08:04 cait we found some more things in training th elast days 08:04 cait have to work through lots of little notes on my materials today 08:04 cait and decipher 08:06 mveron Ok, will wait until late afternoon to take de-DE as a base for de-CH 08:06 mveron Hi drojf :-) 08:07 * magnuse winket 08:07 * mveron winkt zurück 08:08 drojf hi mveron, magnuse and #koha 08:11 magnuse moin drojf 08:17 drojf i think vormerkrate is weird. it is actually something like a vormerk(ungs)verhältnis (verhältnis zwischen vormerkungen und vorhandenen exemplaren) as oleonard explained to me. but i found it a few times like this, so i used it too for consistency 08:21 cait hm hold ratio i think in english 08:22 cait no better idea from me i am afraid 08:27 cait ok, bbl :) 08:49 kivilahtio eythian: Sorry, maybe next year. 09:35 fridolin hie all 09:49 magnuse bonjour fridolin 09:50 fridolin bonjour monsieur magnuse 09:53 magnuse @wunder marseille 09:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 10.7°C (10:52 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 09:53 magnuse @wunder boo 09:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 AM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady). 11:35 gerundio rolando.isidoroyahoo.comNm6kiBsVlOgx 11:36 gerundio bad copy + paste 11:37 gerundio password change on the way :| 13:03 oleonard [off] Oh yay now "that other paul" is entering my territory. 13:06 magnuse [off] fun fun fun 13:08 drojf [off] congratulations. he knows a lot about everything :) 13:11 drojf anyone using fulfILLment in production? 13:13 tcohen morning 13:14 jcamins [off] oleonard: you should be honored that he is turning his considerable expertise on your specialty. 13:25 oleonard drojf: I tried to volunteer my library for fulfILLment + Koha testing and got nowhere. 13:27 drojf oleonard: i see. i tried to read the docuentation wiki and found that there have been daily spam bot changes for at least 2 months now :/ 13:27 drojf *documentation 13:28 oleonard drojf: Same with their developers' mailing list 13:29 drojf there are people on irc but it is probably the wrong time of day. or they are spa bots too :D 13:29 drojf *spam 13:29 drojf ok but that is not really promising 13:30 oleonard yeah I don't like that whatever is going on with the project is going on behind closed doors. 13:31 jcamins drojf: spa bots? This is a great idea! 13:31 drojf exactly! 13:32 jcamins "Would you like another peeled grape with your Interlibrary Loan?" 13:32 drojf heh 13:32 * oleonard programs a spa bot to follow him around and give back rubs 13:36 oleonard @wunder 45701 13:36 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -22.3°C (8:35 AM EST on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 30.44 in 1031 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 11 PM this evening to 7 PM EST Saturday... 13:36 drojf i never used evergreen (which fulfILLment is based on), so maybe setting it all up is self explaining or the evergreen documentation is enough to set up fulfILLment. but maybe not. don't feel like spending a lot of time on that now if that is unclear 13:36 oleonard I guess I should program the spa bot to follow me around with a portable heater 13:36 drojf goodness 13:36 jcamins @wunder 11375 13:36 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Meadow Lake, New York, New York is -15.7°C (8:15 AM EST on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -24.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am EST this morning... 13:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 13:36 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 9.0°C (2:20 PM CET on February 20, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 13:36 drojf spring \o/ 13:37 drojf kind of 13:39 khall First try at a true REST service. Looking for any input: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13738 13:39 huginn 04Bug 13738: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Add RESTful Borrower service 14:05 tcohen khall++ 14:06 khall still a very rough work in progress, but we need something to throw stones at. Comment and criticize as much as possible! 14:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13593: (follow-up) 'stock number' should be 'inventory number' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8770d37de70ea935702139ca955b4dd9d4ff38fa> / Bug 13593: 'stock number' should be 'inventory number' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cc7ac68e1c2993b7780a6fe1c361ddd434a595b> / Bug 12858 [QA Followup] - Don't call webservice if we have no data <http://git.koha-com 14:37 magnuse khall: is that coordinated with ashimema's efforts to submit pianohacker's restful code? 14:38 khall magnuse: indeed! 14:38 magnuse very cool! 14:39 magnuse @later tell ashimema any chance of getting a look at your latest and greatest ill code before marseille? 14:39 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 14:39 khall What'd I like to to create one service that is feature complete to use as a template and guideline for future services 14:39 magnuse sounds like A Very Good Idea! 14:42 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza 14:45 cait drojf: do you have time for translating? 14:48 drojf cait: not in this second (cooking) but today, yes 14:48 drojf is there more? 14:48 drojf i still see 4 words left ;) 14:48 cait only a bit butnot sure when i can get to it 14:48 cait still trying to sort things out here :) 14:48 cait oh 14:49 cait so somene did already! 14:49 drojf yes. i did. yesterday. where did you think my translation questions came from? D 14:49 drojf :D 14:52 cait drofj++ # translation hero 14:52 drojf heh. there were like 150 words :P 14:52 drojf and i had not even contributed anything to the 3.18 translation 14:53 drojf the translation server was much shinier and faster than i remembered it :) 14:53 cait that's good - search was giving problems for a while 14:54 cait yep 14:54 cait awesome now! 14:54 cait bgkriegel++ tcohen++ 14:55 oleonard I wonder if Bug 8753 includes some mechanism for "expiring" password reset links 14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Patch doesn't apply , Add forgot password link to OPAC 14:55 * oleonard hasn't wondered hard enough to look at the code yet 14:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12948: Use word indexing for language (MARC21) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c29a53ea20d668f135c62abbc7dda1bf282be8f0> / Bug 12948: Use word indexing for language (NORMARC) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf89e306a86c440a3296fc89436ad5e854ea4f34> / Bug 13690: use Koha::Schema only when it's needed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm 15:03 drojf [off] oleonard: wait until the other paul does it ;) 16:02 oleonard I disagree that dates should be shown with times by default (Bug 13739) 16:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13739 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , KohaDates should display hours if they exists by default unless specified 16:03 oleonard Oh wait, I'm speaking too soon. 16:03 oleonard It excludes hours if the time is 23:59. 16:03 oleonard Never mind. 16:03 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. 16:03 * cait waves at oleonard 16:03 oleonard wahanui: How come you never give me back rubs? 16:03 wahanui oleonard: bugger all, i dunno 16:04 nengard_phone LOL 16:06 drojf spahanui 16:14 AmitG chris around 16:15 mveron hi cait and drojf, I downloaded de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po, open it in Poedit and save, gets one error: 'msgstr' is not a valid C format string... 16:15 mveron %sAdd%sDuplicate%s Modify%s patron (%s%s%s%sOrganization%s%sAdult%s%sChild%s%sProfessional%s%sStaff%s%s) 16:16 mveron ^ that's the source text 16:16 drojf mveron: it's because of nested brackets 16:16 drojf in the german version 16:16 mveron drojf: I did a new translation in my cd-CH file, and it saves OK... 16:17 mveron de-CH .. 16:17 drojf it saved ok for me too, but it complained at one point 16:17 drojf i think the german version of professional has parentheses 16:17 mveron copied down original and filled in the words. Text / brackets are the same. 16:18 mveron and it saved without complaints 16:33 Joubu have a good weekend #koha 17:22 * tcohen is in fear of his FWtoXSLT beast 17:22 tcohen =D 17:30 geek_cl Hi guys, i need info about the access from koha to a other DB server, but not the GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES access... 17:30 geek_cl i mean a secure access to PROD Koha server 17:30 geek_cl Hi guys, i need info about the access from koha to a other DB server, but not the GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES access... 17:30 geek_cl i mean a secure access to PROD Koha server 17:32 tcohen geek_cl: de vuelta 17:32 geek_cl hey! 17:32 geek_cl i just find this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_Koha_3.6_on_Debian_squeeze_using_a_separate_MySQL_server, but is not most secure conf, right ? 17:34 geek_cl tcohen, queda claro ? 17:38 tcohen what you mean "not secure"? 17:38 tcohen it depends on your infrastructure actually 17:39 tcohen you usually put a firewall in front of it 17:39 tcohen allowing only a specific IP access to mysql's port 17:39 tcohen our institution (for example) has an internal database server that is only reachable internally 17:41 tcohen doubts? 17:41 geek_cl we have two Koha enviroments, DEV and PROD, the security guy is fine with GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES with DEV server, but he not like the same access to the PROD servers 17:42 geek_cl the DB server is a remote only DB dediated server 17:42 geek_cl dedicated" 17:45 geek_cl they can granulate the privileges, but user@koha-{dev,prod}-server, but the problem is "GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES" 17:47 tcohen you need most of the privileges (i.e. on install/upgrade you might need to drop/create tables) 17:48 geek_cl tcohen, not for install, in fact it is a prod server, just running a "static" koha. 17:48 tcohen yes, but think of any upgrade 17:49 geek_cl yeah. 17:49 tcohen you should ask for all table manipulation permissions 17:49 tcohen and avoid asking for db users management 17:49 tcohen that's what you can tell the sysop guy 17:54 geek_cl tcohen, i mean , actually the user koha_mylibrary have this permissions, http://pbrd.co/1EdMEVz ,, they want less (or more secure) privileges. 17:55 tcohen so what is the question? 17:55 tcohen i think you can safely remove the administration permissions, as I said 17:57 bag morning 17:57 bag forgot to say hi when I got in :P 18:01 tcohen Joubu: do we still have fk issues with t/db_dependent/Ratings.t ? 18:01 geek_cl tcohen, Ok we going to talk about it... i thinking in this: http://pastebin.com/smyuV4QG 18:01 tcohen bag: heh, good morning! 18:03 tcohen geek_cl: yes, he/she will say 'no' because of the 'all' 18:03 geek_cl tcohen, right! but? we can disable the administration "column" of the image pasted? 18:03 tcohen talk to you DBA, will understand 18:03 tcohen and yes 18:03 geek_cl tcohen, thanks . 18:08 tcohen hi cait 18:08 cait hi tomas 18:08 cait :) 18:13 tcohen cait: can u do me a favor? 18:13 cait phone 18:13 tcohen prove t/db_dependent/Ratings.t 18:13 cait sec 18:45 cait hm now 18:47 cait tcohen: tests pass for me 18:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13645 [QA Followup] - Add DBIx::Connector to the list of dependancies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00f27cb0b9fb200a06da461371e04be1501ca107> / Bug 13645: Use DBIx::Connector <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4883835816ebce164ec336f9adcd4c925f9244b4> / Bug 13645: Cache the DBIx connection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35 18:51 tcohen Joubu++ # taking DBIx usage seriously 18:51 tcohen khall++ # taking DBIx usage seriously 18:54 tcohen @karma Joubu 18:54 huginn tcohen: Karma for "Joubu" has been increased 125 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 125. 18:54 tcohen Joubu++ 18:54 tcohen khall++ 18:54 tcohen happy friday! 18:54 tcohen :-D 18:55 cait :) 19:16 bag oh excellent 19:16 bag Joubu++ 19:16 bag khall++ 19:17 drojf zu müde für alles 19:17 drojf heh wrong window 19:17 cait even for english? :) 19:17 drojf yup :D 19:18 cait i can agree to tired 19:18 * jcamins too. 19:19 cait why are you tired? :) 19:19 jcamins cait: flu. 19:20 cait oh 19:20 * jcamins is trying to eat his first actual meal since Tuesday. It's not working so well. 19:22 cait good luck? 19:27 jcamins Thanks. 19:45 tcohen have a nice weekend everyone 19:45 cait you too! 21:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #639 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #639: SUCCESS in 3 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/639/ 21:38 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: remove tip about iso because now it says marc 21:39 barton dcook [or any other zebra wizards] -- I have a quick question about ccl.properties -- I'm seeing the following entry: Summary 1=Summary 21:39 barton how does that work? 21:41 barton in bib1.att, we have this: att 9902 Summary 21:42 * barton is purplexed. 21:47 drojf barton: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing 21:52 barton drojf: that covers the syntax <index-name> 1=<bib 1 attribute> -- e.g. Doc-id 1=1032 ... that I understand. but when it looks like this: <index-name> 1=<index-name>, e.g. 'Summary 1=Summary' it doesn't make sense -- it seems to point to itself. 22:09 wnickc barton: is bug 6499 supposed to inxed 035z as well as a? 22:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, barton, Needs Signoff , MARC21 035 -- Other-control-number -- Indexing & Matching 22:10 barton wnickc: yes. 22:11 wnickc hm...is it? 22:12 wnickc working for a, not z, unless it doesn't like my made up number 22:12 barton wnickc: last time I checked... 22:14 wnickc hm...will keep playing, thought maybe it was restarting zebra 22:15 wnickc js is missing closing ); 22:15 barton *sigh* 22:19 wnickc barton:oh, maybe I should copy the thrid file over instead of just two ;) 22:21 barton wnickc: that's the story of my life, when it comes to zebra. Murphy's law has a tight grip on that beast. 22:28 wnickc barton:huzzah 22:33 barton wnickc: is that agreement, or success? ;-) 22:38 wnickc can't it be both? 22:38 wnickc but indeed success 22:59 barton wnickc: well, we *were* talking about murphy's law ... ;-) you're right, success and agreement aren't mutually exclusive. IN any case, I say HUZZAH!