IRC log for #koha, 2014-10-03

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00:04 rangi hehe i was just noticing the extra a :)
00:12 tcohen its a nickname I've heard Paul use for cait
00:13 tcohen she's much quiet than the hurricane that hit new orleans a couple years ago
00:14 rangi heh
00:14 rangi unless you break stuff in koha
00:14 tcohen ah, yes
00:14 tcohen i recall
00:14 * tcohen hides
00:21 rangi :)
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01:21 wizzyrea does anyone have a catalogue that has both RtoL records and english in the same catalogue?
01:22 wizzyrea or a dataset of same for testing?
01:50 rangi hmm cait does im pretty sure
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02:41 tcohen wizzyrea: i might have something
03:11 wizzyrea oo
03:11 wizzyrea doh
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03:34 Oak kia ora #koha
03:35 wizzyrea hi oak
03:36 Oak hello wizzyrea :)
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03:59 cait morning
04:01 wizzyrea mornin. fly day?
04:05 cait yep
04:06 cait super excited
04:06 cait nd worried :)
04:06 ashimema mornin'
04:06 cait wow you get up early
04:07 ashimema today I have..
04:07 ashimema couldn't sleep
04:07 cait oh
04:07 cait me neither
04:07 ashimema so now trying to wrap my head around angularjs services.
04:07 ashimema you have a good reason not to sleep... kohacon!
04:08 cait i hope it means i might be able to sleep on hte plane later
04:08 wizzyrea long flights lol :)
04:09 wizzyrea which way do you go, east or west?
04:09 cait i go via madrid and buenos aries
04:09 cait no idea if that is east or west :)
04:10 wizzyrea west :)
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04:17 cait wizzyrea: do you still need records with rtl?
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04:17 Oak good luck cait !
04:18 Oak good luck everyone. have a great kohacon.
04:32 cait thx Oak :)
04:41 magnuse safe travels cait
04:41 cait thx!
04:43 magnuse wizzyrea: i don't think going east would make a lot of sense for cait ;-)
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05:07 * cait hopes everything will work out as planned
05:15 cait wish me luck? :)
05:15 ashimema good luck cait.
05:15 ashimema keep me informed :)
05:16 cait I will :)
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05:47 * cait-m__ waves
05:47 cait-m__ train station :)
05:51 cait-m__ noone here?
05:53 ashimema hello
05:55 cait-m__ hi
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05:59 * magnuse waves
05:59 * magnuse waves at cait-m__ at the trains tation
05:59 cait-m__ :)
06:12 * magnuse tries not to be too envious
06:12 * ashimema is in the same boat
06:25 magnuse ashimema: anyone from ptfse going?
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06:35 reiveune hello
06:35 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:36 reiveune hi magnuse \o_
06:44 ashimema not this time unfortunately..
06:44 ashimema we've got so much on at the minute we didn't feel we could afford to lose someone for the week..
06:45 ashimema however.. I'm scheming to go to hackfest..
06:45 ashimema and bring along at least one other employee
06:50 magnuse woohoo!
06:50 magnuse i'm scheming to go there too
06:51 ashimema :)
06:51 ashimema Should be good..
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06:57 alex_a_ bonjour
06:57 wahanui kia ora, alex_a_
07:04 magnuse @wunder boo
07:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
07:05 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 15.3°C (8:57 AM CEST on October 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:05 magnuse @wunder cordoba, argentina
07:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 14.0°C (4:00 AM ART on October 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
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07:06 fridolin hie community
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07:10 magnuse bonjour fridolin et sophie_m
07:10 sophie_m hi magnuse
07:10 sophie_m hello #koha
07:10 fridolin bonjour magnuse
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07:15 gaetan_B hello
07:15 wahanui salut, gaetan_B
07:57 magnuse petter++ for doing the very first signoff using our vagrant-based
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08:01 cait-m__ zurich airport
08:01 rangi how long til you take off?
08:06 cait-m__ hmm 2 hours
08:07 cait-m__ i was early :) got all boarding passes but dont know the gate yet
08:09 rangi :)
08:10 cait-m__ and the suitcaae ended up at exactly 23 kg
08:11 cait-m__ all chocolate is safe
08:16 magnuse yay!
08:16 ashimema ooh.. magnuse..
08:16 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
08:16 ashimema you did the debbox stuff you were talking about then?
08:16 magnuse yup
08:16 magnuse well, it's still a work in progress, but kind of usable
08:16 ashimema wocked..
08:17 ashimema I may be stealing a copy of that ;)
08:17 magnuse ashimema: i based it on your bash script
08:17 * magnuse should remember to give credit for that
08:17 magnuse ashimema: steal away!
08:17 magnuse and patches are welcome
08:17 ashimema no worries.. I bet you tidied it up allot ;)
08:17 ashimema cool.. Will do.
08:22 magnuse it's meant to be a general tool that others outside opl can use too
08:23 cait-m__ :)
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08:35 cait-m__ guess i will get kicked of the wifi soon
08:35 cait-m__ only some time is free
08:38 magnuse better torrent some movies while you can then ;-)
08:40 cait-m__ heh
08:42 ashimema If I can work out my vim debug setup would that be a useful patch magnuse?
08:42 magnuse ashimema: sure
08:43 magnuse i'm also thinking it should be possible for users to basically inject their own bash script at the end
08:43 magnuse so that we can have a common "backbone", but not force people to abandon their own best practices
08:50 ashimema yeah.. that sounds like a great plan.
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09:10 cait back from the laptop... :)
09:12 magnuse wb cait
09:14 cait 45 minutes... :)
09:19 magnuse cait: until your plane leaves?
09:19 cait yep
09:32 mtj hey peeps
09:32 mtj happy flying cait! :)
09:32 cait thx mtj
09:33 mtj im very excited for you :p
09:33 mtj quite the adventure
09:35 cait :)
09:36 cait first flight already delayed...
09:36 cait hope not too exciting
09:39 mtj heh... yes good point
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09:57 cait @wunder madrid
09:57 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
09:58 cait @wunder madrid, spain
09:58 huginn cait: The current temperature in Madrid - Las Mercedes, Madrid, Spain is 21.1°C (11:45 AM CEST on October 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
10:53 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
10:53 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 17.9°C (11:52 AM BST on October 03, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
10:59 ashimema anyone here use debian wheezy..
10:59 ashimema I'm finding that adduser never seems to create a /var/mail/username file so I always have to manually add one to get mail working..
11:00 ashimema wondering if that's normal.. or there's somthing wrong in the way i'm doing things.
11:15 * magnuse waves at khall
11:15 khall mornin!
11:35 Oak yes ashimema I'm using it.
11:35 Oak let me check.
11:40 Oak ashimema: this[…]/01/msg02528.html and this[…]php?f=16&t=282559 suggest that it will get created when first mail arrives. they are quite old though.
11:41 ashimema yeah.. I've got to the bottom of it now..
11:42 ashimema thanks though Oak..
11:42 ashimema seems my hostnames and exims final destination didn't match..
11:42 ashimema so mail was dissapeareing into hole.
11:42 Oak cool
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12:01 oleonard Hi #koha
12:02 tcohen hi oleonard
12:04 * oleonard suspects things are going to be quiet around here for a while
12:07 magnuse nah, let's make some noise!
12:15 * oleonard makes noises
12:17 magnuse bug 11944
12:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
12:18 magnuse just checking...
12:22 ashimema :)
12:22 ashimema magnuse: is it the lack of cait that worries you ;)
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12:47 magnuse ashimema: yup
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13:12 Oak magnuse
13:12 Oak hello oleonard
13:13 Oak later.
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13:23 * oleonard wonders if there are people out there who are required to use Firefox 3.5
13:23 oleonard ...which is about the same age as IE8
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13:26 oleonard No one ever complains that their IT department has standardized on Chrome 2.0 and won't let anyone upgrade
13:30 magnuse lol
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13:40 khall oleonard: what do I need to do for bug 10632>
13:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Enable datatables for courses and course details in the OPAC
13:44 oleonard I'll take a look khall. Can't remember.
13:50 khall oleonard: thanks!
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14:17 fridolin see u
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14:20 * cait waves
14:20 cait 15 minutes of free internet... and onone here to talk to? :)
14:20 ashimema hello
14:20 ashimema first flight done then cait
14:21 cait yep :)
14:21 oleonard Hi cait, where are you?
14:21 cait i even got an exit row
14:21 cait first time ever
14:21 cait and without asking
14:21 cait so far so good
14:21 cait oleonard: in madrid now, leaving from here to buenos aires
14:21 cait but... in 3 hours
14:21 cait only here for another few mins probably, only 15 mins of free wifi at this airport :(
14:21 oleonard Boo
14:21 cait yep
14:22 cait but i will search for food an see, maybe i can find a cafe
14:22 ashimema I disliked madrid airport allot..
14:22 ashimema had a 5 hour stop there once.. but wasn't even aloud into the main airport..
14:22 cait hm i don't dislike it yet... but zürich is a lot fancier
14:22 oleonard Toronto_airport_free_wifi++
14:22 cait which is also irritating in its own way
14:22 wahanui okay, cait.
14:22 ashimema got stuck between exiting a plain and entering the lounge :(
14:22 ashimema was painful
14:23 cait oh
14:23 cait not sure for me
14:23 cait i passed the passport control, so i am probably in the international terminal now
14:23 ashimema then they stole everyones duty free before letting you into departures..
14:23 cait no passport controls from swtzerland to spain :)
14:23 ashimema I tend to try not to fly through madrid now if i can help it ;)
14:23 cait that sounds weird
14:24 cait i got my passport checked, but not the luggage and am at my gate
14:24 ashimema it was..
14:24 ashimema was flying back from peru..
14:24 cait maybe that made you suspicious
14:24 ashimema perhaps.
14:24 ashimema but I tihnk it was the same for everyone on my flight.
14:26 ashimema basically our connection was overnight... so we were one of th elast flights to land at night.. then the airport closes everything around you and locks you between passport control to go into spain, a one man customs desk (which is locked and closed) to take you into departures, and the door to the runway where you just got off your flight..
14:26 ashimema then 411/2 hours later, they start opening the airport again, and if your lucky they let you through the tiny customs booth, steal all your duty free from the first leg, and let you into departures.
14:26 ashimema all very odd
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14:37 Gigio85 Hi all
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14:39 Gigio85 Can I ask if someone know why  the manual says that the "IndependentBranches" option "volud be set before going live and that it NOT be changed"?
14:39 Gigio85 Thanks
14:53 oleonard nengard around?
14:54 nengard yes
14:54 oleonard I was just looking at Bug 11271 again since you bumped it
14:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11271 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , serials table off the screen on low resolutions
14:54 oleonard The width problem is caused by the search fields in the table footer
14:55 oleonard I'm not sure there is a mechanism to make it fluid as long as the filter is enabled
14:55 oleonard I'm curious, though, whether you think those footer search fields are useful to librarians
14:56 oleonard I don't deal with lots and lots of data in any Koha table which uses those filters, so I have no personal experience
15:01 nengard checking now
15:01 nengard the search at the top searches all those fields right?
15:02 oleonard Yes
15:02 oleonard Actually I'm backtracking now... The width is not set by DataTables. Some added CSS might fix it.
15:02 nengard then I say it's more important to fit all data on the screen than have the mini filters
15:03 nengard oh ...
15:03 nengard well that's good too
15:03 * oleonard still isn't a fan of the filters
15:03 nengard I say remove them then
15:03 nengard i usually use the one at the top
15:03 nengard we could also merge the links at the end in to a button like on reports
15:04 oleonard Yeah that's my instinct as well
15:04 nengard :)
15:04 nengard work your magic oleonard
15:04 nengard make it gorgeous
15:04 * oleonard gets his jars of glitter
15:06 reiveune bye
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15:09 nengard oleonard++
15:10 * barton hands oleonard boxes of marvy and pentel pens.
15:17 barton Hey, I just ran into an issue that's got me a bit mystified -- one of our partners isn't seeing 'Advanced notice' in the list of available messages in the message preferences on Intranetuserjs is empty ... what else would cause this?
15:18 nengard Totally had me confused too!!!
15:26 oleonard barton: Have you tracked back through the code to see where the options are generated?
15:37 barton oleonard -- nope, not yet. that's my next step... I was hoping someone would have insight about a syspref or bit of logic that I wasn't aware of.
15:38 oleonard Looks like is where the template gets the data from
15:39 nengard barton no syspref ...
15:39 nengard all 6 are controlled by the same sys pref
15:40 barton oleonard++
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16:39 gaetan_B bye
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18:36 wnickc hi #koha
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18:56 learning hi everyone, who knows the meaning of "Bad MARC record 17549: utf8 "\xE2" does not map to Unicode at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/ line 174, <GEN13> line 17550." is ?  i got one file back from bywater koha
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18:59 learning who knows the meaning of "Bad MARC record 17549: utf8 "\xE2" does not map to Unicode at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/ line 174, <GEN13> line 17550." is ?  i got one file back from bywater koha
19:00 wnickc I think that might be when you have a character that Koha doesn't know how to deal with
19:02 wnickc I had similar erros when trying to pimport a Charlotte Brontë record
19:02 learning wnickc:  so how do you deal with it please ?
19:03 wnickc Go into the record, look for odd/malformed characters and replace/fix them
19:03 wnickc Using MARCedit or some such, should be able to jump there since you have the record number
19:05 jcamins learning: that error indicates that you have marked a record as Unicode when it is actually MARC-8 or vice versa. I cannot recall which.
19:06 learning wnickc & jcamins:   yes,  but my problem is i do not know find out that record in my database
19:06 wnickc thanks jcamins, I knew it was somehting with encoding, explains now why I could never get mine to work
19:07 learning jcamins:  how to transfer Unicode to MARC-8 ?
19:07 jcamins wnickc: yeah, if you get it out of Koha and flip the UTF-8 thingy in the leader then save it as UTF-8.
19:08 jcamins learning: MARCedit is a good choice if you're not comfortable with Perl.
19:08 jcamins Everyone I know who uses it says it's pretty easy.
19:08 jcamins learning: it's record 17549.
19:09 learning @jcamins:  how to use MARCedit please ? i do not know that at all, please help
19:09 huginn learning: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
19:09 jcamins learning: I don't use it.
19:09 jcamins But it has a GUI and so forth so I'm sure you can probably figure it out.
19:11 learning @jcamins:  hum...  i still feel confused now, i am really new about koha, so could you tell me what i should do now as my first step to fix this issue please ?
19:11 huginn learning: downloading the Perl source
19:11 jcamins learning: in order to do that you would have to tell me exactly what the issue is.
19:12 jcamins Not that I can guarantee that I'm going to be able to help you, but I certainly can't help without knowing the problem.
19:12 jcamins first question?
19:12 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
19:12 learning huginn:  hi,  i am a php programmer,  and i just export  database sql and gave it to bywater koha company,  after then the give me one file back
19:12 huginn learning: I suck
19:12 jcamins huginn is a bot.
19:12 huginn jcamins: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
19:12 jcamins @wunder 10001
19:12 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Flatiron, New York, New York is 19.1°C (3:10 PM EDT on October 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
19:14 jcamins wahanui?
19:14 wahanui jcamins?
19:14 jcamins wahanui is also a bot.
19:14 wahanui okay, jcamins.
19:14 jcamins wahanui?
19:14 wahanui yes, jcamins?
19:14 jcamins wahanui?
19:14 wahanui jcamins?
19:14 jcamins wahanui?
19:14 wahanui yes, jcamins?
19:14 wnickc lol
19:14 jcamins Huh.
19:14 jcamins That didn't do what I expected.
19:14 jcamins wahanui: literal wahanui
19:14 wahanui jcamins: wahanui =is= a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot.
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19:14 learning ok  let me repeat my question:  i am a php programmer, have no idea about koha or perl,  so i just exported  database sql from phpmyadmin,  and gave it to bywater koha company,  after that,  they gave me one file back, which said "Bad MARC record 17549: utf8 "\xE2" does not map to Unicode at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/ line 174, <GEN13> line 17550."  i do not know how to fix it !
19:15 jcamins learning: I still don't know what you want to do.
19:15 jcamins You have told me an error message, but I don't know what the error message is from, or why you want a file in the first place.
19:16 jcamins However, since you're paying ByWater, I'm going to suggest that your best bet is going to be submitting a ticket with them.
19:16 learning @jcamins:  i just got one error "Bad MARC record 17549: utf8 "\xE2" does not map to Unicode at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/ line 174, <GEN13> line 17550." from koha company, i just want to find out how to fixt it
19:16 huginn learning: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
19:18 jcamins learning: I can't help you, sorry. Since you're working with ByWater, they should know what you're trying to do and be able to help. I believe their ticketing system is at
19:18 jcamins wnickc: you're a ByWater Partner, right? Did I get the ticketing system URL right or has it moved?
19:18 wnickc you got it right
19:18 wnickc had to check my bookmark
19:19 wnickc they also have an IRC channel #bws-partners
19:21 wnickc @wunder 05059
19:21 huginn wnickc: The current temperature in Quechee Lakes Sec 1, Quechee, Vermont is 19.8°C (3:21 PM EDT on October 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
19:25 jcamins wahanui: wahanui?
19:25 wahanui i am right sometimes
19:25 jcamins wahanui: wahanui?
19:25 wahanui rumour has it i am a bot
19:25 jcamins wahanui
19:25 wahanui yes, jcamins?
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19:57 jcamins tcohen++
19:57 jcamins bgkriegel++
19:57 jcamins # the conference is set up for remote presentations
20:03 tcohen
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20:29 rangi well my bag is tagged all the way through, i wont see it again until argentina, however I have to check in again in auckland .. weird system
20:29 rangi but im sorta on my way at least
20:30 jcamins rangi: safe travels.
20:31 rangi thanks
20:35 magnuse have fun rangi!
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