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Oak |
in LDR 000 what is the difference between values 45e0 and 4500? |
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Oak |
wait |
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magnuse |
Oak |
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magnuse |
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Oak |
\o/ |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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wonders who is giving the talk on "Extending Koha using linked data" at kohacon |
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Oak |
ah. someone better record that talk in good audio. and preferably in 720 video as well. steady hand. |
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* Oak |
wonders who will record and upload the talk on "Extending Koha using linked data" at kohacon for the poor souls who cannot be there. |
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Oak |
magnuse, if one needs to test an sql report on Koha 3.4, how can that be done? someone called me and says this report http://goo.gl/fb8KxL does not work on his 3.4. |
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magnuse |
hm, if you have a dev install, you can check out the 3.4.x branch, empty the database and then run through the web installer, to get a working 3.4. or tell them to upgrade |
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Oak |
hmm. |
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Oak |
and i have not checked all links but seems like tars links here are broken http://koha-community.org/category/3-4/ |
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morning koha |
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morning ashimema ! |
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ashimema |
Right.. I 'think' all my utf8 testing is now done.. damn that was a long qa cycle.. |
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ashimema |
@later tell tcohen did the tests for utf8 stuff ever get past go? |
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huginn |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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Oak |
ashimema++ |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
bonjour, reiveune |
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magnuse |
ashimema++ |
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magnuse |
Joubu++ |
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ashimema |
magnuse.. what are your thoughts on utf8 vs utf8_mb4 for mysql? |
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magnuse |
dunno |
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ashimema |
that's the very last it I wanted comment on from Joubu and others.. |
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ashimema |
haha.. no worries.. it's pretty fringe information |
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magnuse |
yeah, i don't know mysql well enough i guess |
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ashimema |
https://mathiasbynens.be/notes/mysql-utf8mb4 - for background to the question ;) |
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magnuse |
but if you think it is a good idea and have been using it in production i would vote for it, i think :-) |
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ashimema |
Yeah.. all our sites for 3 years have been going in with it ;) |
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ashimema |
So I can vouch that it's stable.. |
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magnuse |
but only available from MySQL 5.5.3? |
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ashimema |
and that probably also adds my vote for it being worthwhile.. we're not really using any characters (not knowingly at least) that require it.. but my thoughts are that you never know what crazy character a library might input into a marc record ;) |
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magnuse |
yup |
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magnuse |
@get quote 123 |
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ashimema |
fiar point.. yeah.. only available from 5.5.3 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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magnuse |
@quote 123 |
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wahanui |
@quote get 123 |
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huginn |
magnuse: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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huginn |
wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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wahanui |
...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... |
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* ashimema |
goes off to check what mysql version currently ships with squeeze |
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ashimema |
anyone out there got a squeeze server they could run 'apt-cache policy mysql-server' on for me, pretty please? |
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ashimema |
(and could varify they don't have and 'extra' repositories enabled to get a more up to date mysql than the norm? |
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Oak |
i'll run it ashimema. just let me check if 'extra' is enabled or not. |
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ashimema |
cheers Oak |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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pastebot |
"Oak" at 192.168.0.191 pasted "output of apt-cache policy mysql-server" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/228 |
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ashimema |
looks like your on wheezy anyway Oak ;) |
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ashimema |
but thanks regardless |
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Oak |
bonjour monsieur alex_a |
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Oak |
oh right |
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Oak |
you said squeeze :| |
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ashimema |
we still support squeeze as a community.. So I best not push for utf8_mb4 if squeeze doesn't ship with a current enough version of mysql ;) |
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ashimema |
I'll see if I can dig out on of our last remaining squeeze's |
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Oak |
got it. |
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Oak |
will this help: |
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Oak |
https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mysql-server |
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Oak |
i can check the changelogs of the last squeeze update... |
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alex_a |
hello Oak |
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ashimema |
Yeah, looks like your right.. |
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ashimema |
'tis an ancient mysql still in squeeze :( |
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hello |
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Oak |
it's 5.1.73-1 |
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Oak |
in 6.0.10 which was released July 19th, 2014 |
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ashimema |
yup.. |
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ashimema |
we need 5.5.3 to get mb4 support.. |
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ashimema |
that's a four year old release.. |
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ashimema |
yet still not in squeeze by the looks :( |
| 07:04 |
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ashimema |
oh well |
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ashimema |
it was a 'nice to have' rather than a full on requirement |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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magnuse |
ashimema: and there is no way to set it conditionally? or have older versions silently ignore it? |
| 07:34 |
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ashimema |
possibly.. but not as a simple patch like we have already.. |
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ashimema |
means pushing more work Joubu's way.. I didn't want to be that mean ;) for a 'nice to have' |
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magnuse |
ok |
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magnuse |
but that means bug 11944 can be "passed qa"? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
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magnuse |
oh, i forgot dpavlin++ earlier! |
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ashimema |
pretty much.. |
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ashimema |
I'm just sorting a failing email system on another server.. then I'll be adding my mark and passing qa on it |
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Joubu |
ashimema: I prefer you don't upload patches |
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Joubu |
ashimema: I can add you SO line on the branch |
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ashimema |
ok.. will just scribble in comments and add passed status then ;) |
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Joubu |
your* |
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ashimema |
:) |
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Joubu |
ashimema: thanks. I will ask Tomas to upload them on the bug report when he will push them in master |
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Oak |
Joubu++ |
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Oak |
dpavlin++ |
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ashimema |
:) |
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ashimema |
Joubu++ |
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Joubu |
Paola++ & Zeno++ ;) |
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Joubu |
and ashimema++ |
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magnuse |
bonjour akafred paul_p |
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magnuse |
yeah Paola++ Zeno++ |
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Joubu |
welcome akafred :) |
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magnuse |
nice intro on koha-devel :-) |
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magnuse |
and that message got through, but there might still be a backlog somewhere? |
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rangi |
akafred: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]-July/036714.html |
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magnuse |
yay |
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ashimema |
nice |
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ashimema |
rangi.. just passed your reply-to patch |
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ashimema |
patches |
| 10:15 |
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ashimema |
that should make cait happy too :) |
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magnuse |
yay |
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magnuse |
ashimema++ |
| 10:16 |
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ashimema |
not bad going this morning.. one massive qa and one smaller one.. |
| 10:16 |
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ashimema |
nice to cross those off the list :) |
| 10:16 |
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magnuse |
awesome! |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse |
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magnuse |
with pleasure |
| 10:17 |
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magnuse |
whoa 210 bugs need signoff?!? |
| 10:17 |
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ashimema |
and with any luck.. shibboleth with get caits stamp of approval tomorrow |
| 10:18 |
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ashimema |
yeah.. there's a fair bunch in the queue |
| 10:18 |
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ashimema |
We're holding some sandbox training sessions over the coming weeks here.. hopefully that'll help a little.. |
| 10:20 |
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magnuse |
ashimema: who are you training? |
| 10:20 |
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ashimema |
to start with, a Uni and a Public library.. |
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magnuse |
cool! |
| 10:20 |
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ashimema |
trying to introduce it to our customers slowly.. get some liking it.. then they can sell the sandboxes to the rest of them for us ;) |
| 10:21 |
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magnuse |
good plan! |
| 10:23 |
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Joubu |
I have a DBIC problem, see my patch submitted on bug 12627 comment 14. |
| 10:23 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12627 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Passed QA , SQLHelper replacement - C4::Suggestions |
| 10:23 |
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Joubu |
I am not sure how we can manage this problem better. |
| 10:23 |
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Joubu |
But we should, because this method is very ugly. |
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Joubu |
undef vs null vs 0 vs '' |
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Joubu |
http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]on-td3067604.html |
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Joubu |
whaou, Oct 2008... |
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magnuse |
Joubu: time flies when you're having fun ;-) |
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is searching for the fun |
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magnuse |
awww... |
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concludes from akafred's description of his name being too hard to pronounce that he is in fact a Vulcan. |
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akafred |
@oleonard That's right, t'hy'la :-) |
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huginn |
akafred: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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oleonard |
Hi akafred. Don't mind huginn, he's just complaining because of the @ in your message |
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* akafred |
acknowledges that twitter has ruined his two decades old knowledge of how to address people on irc ... |
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akafred |
rangi: We have drawn some inspiration from the jbfink docker-approach :-9 |
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oleonard |
We should remove the hold limit option from the Circulation and Fine rules matrix since it doesn't work. |
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schnydszch |
Hi! anybody here experienced news not showing in their Koha ILS' OPAC? we're using 3.16.3 |
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oleonard |
Did it happen just after an upgrade schnydszch? |
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schnydszch |
yeah I upgraded |
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schnydszch |
from 3.16.2 to 3.16.3 |
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schnydszch |
debian package |
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schnydszch |
but I got the problem in one of my koha instance which was running 3.16.2, I upgraded it, hoping that it will be resolved |
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schnydszch |
..since newer version is 3.16.3 |
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oleonard |
Just today schnydszch? It is the last day of the month (in my time zone anyway): Bug 12507 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12507 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , News does not always display in staff or OPAC |
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schnydszch |
yeah just today.. and yes it's the last day of the month here too |
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schnydszch |
okay got it.. thanks! I'll see it tomorrow :) thanks! |
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oleonard |
By the way schnydszch, you emails to the Koha list always end up in my spam folder (with gmail). Maybe because they're sent through Nabble? |
| 13:33 |
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schnydszch |
I got alerted that some staff could have edited or remove customizations in the OPAC. sigh of relief it's just a bug. Thanks and cheers! |
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oleonard |
I just thought i'd mention it in case you weren't getting responses |
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schnydszch |
yes oleonard, i'm using nabble |
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mm123 |
hello. I have recently updated Koha to version 3.14.10, did a full reindexing. However, when doing a search i get the following: No results match your search for 'kw,wrdl: |
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mm123 |
any suggestions of what might have gone wrong? |
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schnydszch |
so i should not stick with nabble? any other way? |
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oleonard |
schnydszch: You might consider subscribing to the email list instead. |
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oleonard |
mailing list? |
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wahanui |
well, mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
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schnydszch |
okay i'll do that |
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schnydszch |
thanks! :) |
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mm123 |
when searching in OPAC i get the following: No results match your search for 'kw,wrdl: |
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oleonard |
You're welcome schnydszch |
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oleonard |
Anyone here who can run mm123 through the standard routine of verifying Zebra is working? |
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schnydszch |
mm123 you can try this: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ installing/upgrading part |
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mm123 |
last night i manually ran a full zebra reindex |
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mm123 |
perl /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v |
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mm123 |
because the librarian reported issues with search |
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mm123 |
the reindexing seemed to have worked |
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mm123 |
but the seach is still not working this morning |
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schnydszch |
try to clear zebra indexes |
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mm123 |
kind of emabrassing, but how do i do that? |
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mm123 |
so sorry |
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schnydszch |
i'm using debian package so i can only relate with debian package installation, how did you install your koha ils? |
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schnydszch |
this worked for me: $ zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg -g iso2709 -d biblios init $ zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-authorities.cfg -g iso2709 -d authorities init |
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mm123 |
git |
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schnydszch |
oopps.. i haven't tried git, i always go for debian package installation since it's easier :) but maybe you can try clearing first your zebra index. |
| 13:56 |
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schnydszch |
then rebuild your zebra index |
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oleonard |
mm123: Is koha-zebra-daemon running? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]-_git#Setup_Zebra |
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mm123 |
this is set in crontab |
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mm123 |
# ZEBRA INDEX UPDATES with -z option, incremental index updates throughout the $ # for both authorities(REMOVED) and bibs 5 * * * * /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z $ |
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mm123: That refers to the index process, but the Zebra service needs to be running in order for Koha to interface with the index which that cron job builds |
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mm123 |
i tried to clear Zebra by running the following command zebraidx -c /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg drop biblios |
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mm123 |
but then I get [fatal] zebra_begin_trans: cannot open register |
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schnydszch |
hi! have you tried oleonard's suggestion? checking the status of koha zebra daemon |
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mm123 |
zebrasrv appears to be started |
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schnydszch |
hi! googling your error i see this, you can probably start from here: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2010-02-24 cheers! |
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oleonard |
If anyone can do something to get Bug 12892 moving again I would appreciate it |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen |
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oleonard |
khall? |
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khall |
yo |
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oleonard |
Are you waiting for something from someone else in order for Bug 12892 to move forward? |
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khall |
oleonard: yeah, it involves the coding guidelines and whether what the patch does should be allowed or not |
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khall |
I'm working on an alternative right now |
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oleonard |
Thanks. I consider the bug a blocker for upgrade for my library so it'd be great to see a fix make it into 3.16.x |
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khall |
understood, I'm making it a priority |
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reiveune |
bye |
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Malumfashee |
Is there any body online |
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oleonard |
Ask you question, Malumfashee, and if someone can answer your question they may |
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Malumfashee |
Please, I am currently an Koha system administrator. My problem with our system is that our institution logo that has been appearing on the OPAC interface of our system which replaced Koha logo before has now disappear. Please how can I restore it back on OPAC so that users can be able to see it. Thanks |
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oleonard |
Malumfashee: Can you share the link to your OPAC? |
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gaetan_B |
bye |
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Malumfashee |
Our OPAC is based on Intranet |
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Malumfashee |
Are you online? |
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oleonard |
What method did you use to change the logo? Did something change before the logo disappeared? An upgrade? |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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* magnuse |
waves at meliss and JesseM |
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JesseM |
Hi magnuse |
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meliss |
Hello magnuse |
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meliss |
I have coffee and ready to tackle the rest of the afternoon. |
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magnuse |
yay |
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* magnuse |
has gone 40 odd years without coffee |
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* magnuse |
waves at nengard |
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* nengard |
waves back |
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nengard |
:) |
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oleonard |
Given C4:Branch.pm:GetBranchesLoop (http://git.koha-community.org/[…]13a2;hb=HEAD#l155)... |
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oleonard |
Would it be wrong to do this? $branchloop = C4::Branch::GetBranchesLoop(""); |
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oleonard |
...to pass an empty string as the branch in order to force no branches to be "selected" ? |
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oleonard |
Seems to work, but I'm wondering if it's stylistically incorrect somehow |
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magnuse |
have fun #koha! |
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pablito |
hi all |
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pablito |
anyone here can help me with some errors generated from the koha-common script? |
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* cait |
waves |
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pablito |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi pablito:) |
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pablito |
long time to chat...how are you? :-) |
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cait |
tired? :) |
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cait |
just got home from giving a presentation |
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cait |
long day |
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wahanui |
long day is probably over. Now for the long night. Have a great day, #koha. |
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pablito |
ok hehe |
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pablito |
have a good night |
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pablito |
:-) |
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pablito |
cait: me too |
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pablito |
:-) |
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cait |
here for a bit :) |
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pablito |
I've been getting this error that's a bit frustrating, can you help a little? |
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pablito |
This is the error I get in the log and via email. The file stslib.conf does exist, but the error |
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pablito |
/etc/cron.daily/koha-common: |
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pablito |
tar: etc/apache2/sites-available/stslib.conf: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
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pablito |
tar: etc/apache2/sites-enabled/stslib.conf: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
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pablito |
tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
sorry, not sure what that could be |
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cait |
the instance stslib exiss? |
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pablito |
I have a feeling it has to do with the automatic backup script |
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pablito |
yes, stslib.conf exists |
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pablito |
I wonder if it has to do with not having the "/" before the etc |
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cait |
hm not sure |
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cait |
might be osmething witht he path or permissions... i ma not very good on the sysadmin side of things |
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eythian |
hi |
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bag |
hey there eythian |
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howdy bag |
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eythian |
I can't seem to edit sysprefs in 3.16.2. This is weird and concerning |
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eythian |
it behaves like I have ctrl pressed or something, so it just goes all strange. |
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eythian |
ah, it's some customisation we have |
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eythian |
bizarre |
