IRC log for #koha, 2014-09-30

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05:04 * Oak waves
05:07 Oak in LDR 000 what is the difference between values 45e0 and 4500?
05:17 Oak wait
05:30 magnuse Oak
05:36 Oak magnuse
05:36 Oak \o/
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05:47 magnuse :-)
05:47 * magnuse wonders who is giving the talk on "Extending Koha using linked data" at kohacon
05:50 Oak ah. someone better record that talk in good audio. and preferably in 720 video as well. steady hand.
05:52 * Oak wonders who will record and upload the talk on "Extending Koha using linked data" at kohacon for the poor souls who cannot be there.
05:57 Oak magnuse, if one needs to test an sql report on Koha 3.4, how can that be done? someone called me and says this report does not work on his 3.4.
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06:01 magnuse hm, if you have a dev install, you can check out the 3.4.x branch, empty the database and then run through the web installer, to get a working 3.4. or tell them to upgrade
06:03 Oak hmm.
06:04 Oak and i have not checked all links but seems like tars links here are broken
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06:12 ashimema morning koha
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06:18 Oak morning ashimema !
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06:36 ashimema Right.. I 'think' all my utf8 testing is now done.. damn that was a long qa cycle..
06:36 ashimema @later tell tcohen did the tests for utf8 stuff ever get past go?
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06:36 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
06:36 Oak ashimema++
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06:38 reiveune hello
06:38 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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06:41 magnuse ashimema++
06:41 magnuse Joubu++
06:41 ashimema magnuse.. what are your thoughts on utf8 vs utf8_mb4 for mysql?
06:41 magnuse dunno
06:41 ashimema that's the very last it I wanted comment on from Joubu and others..
06:42 ashimema haha.. no worries.. it's pretty fringe information
06:42 magnuse yeah, i don't know mysql well enough i guess
06:42 ashimema - for background to the question ;)
06:43 magnuse but if you think it is a good idea and have been using it in production i would vote for it, i think :-)
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06:43 ashimema Yeah.. all our sites for 3 years have been going in with it ;)
06:43 ashimema So I can vouch that it's stable..
06:44 magnuse but only available from MySQL 5.5.3?
06:44 ashimema and that probably also adds my vote for it being worthwhile.. we're not really using any characters (not knowingly at least) that require it.. but my thoughts are that you never know what crazy character a library might input into a marc record ;)
06:44 magnuse yup
06:45 magnuse @get quote 123
06:45 ashimema fiar point.. yeah.. only available from 5.5.3
06:45 huginn magnuse: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
06:45 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
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06:45 magnuse @quote 123
06:45 wahanui @quote get 123
06:45 huginn magnuse: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
06:45 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
06:45 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
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06:45 * ashimema goes off to check what mysql version currently ships with squeeze
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06:49 ashimema anyone out there got a squeeze server they could run 'apt-cache policy mysql-server' on for me, pretty please?
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06:49 ashimema (and could varify they don't have and 'extra' repositories enabled to get a more up to date mysql than the norm?
06:52 Oak i'll run it ashimema. just let me check if 'extra' is enabled or not.
06:52 ashimema cheers Oak
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06:53 alex_a bonjour
06:54 pastebot "Oak" at pasted "output of apt-cache policy mysql-server" (9 lines) at
06:55 ashimema looks like your on wheezy anyway Oak ;)
06:55 ashimema but thanks regardless
06:55 Oak bonjour monsieur alex_a
06:55 Oak oh right
06:55 Oak you said squeeze :|
06:56 ashimema we still support squeeze as a community.. So I best not push for utf8_mb4 if squeeze doesn't ship with a current enough version of mysql ;)
06:56 ashimema I'll see if I can dig out on of our last remaining squeeze's
06:57 Oak got it.
06:58 Oak will this help:
06:58 Oak
06:58 Oak i can check the changelogs of the last squeeze update...
06:59 alex_a hello Oak
07:02 ashimema Yeah, looks like your right..
07:02 ashimema 'tis an ancient mysql still in squeeze :(
07:02 Joubu hello
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07:03 Oak it's 5.1.73-1
07:03 Oak in 6.0.10 which was released July 19th, 2014
07:03 ashimema yup..
07:04 ashimema we need 5.5.3 to get mb4 support..
07:04 ashimema that's a four year old release..
07:04 ashimema yet still not in squeeze by the looks :(
07:04 ashimema oh well
07:04 ashimema it was a 'nice to have' rather than a full on requirement
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07:30 gaetan_B hello
07:33 magnuse ashimema: and there is no way to set it conditionally? or have older versions silently ignore it?
07:34 ashimema possibly.. but not as a simple patch like we have already..
07:34 ashimema means pushing more work Joubu's way.. I didn't want to be that mean ;) for a 'nice to have'
07:36 magnuse ok
07:38 magnuse but that means bug 11944 can be "passed qa"?
07:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
07:39 magnuse oh, i forgot dpavlin++ earlier!
07:39 ashimema pretty much..
07:39 ashimema I'm just sorting a failing email system on another server.. then I'll be adding my mark and passing qa on it
07:41 Joubu ashimema: I prefer you don't upload patches
07:41 Joubu ashimema: I can add you SO line on the branch
07:41 ashimema ok.. will just scribble in comments and add passed status then ;)
07:42 Joubu your*
07:42 ashimema :)
07:42 Joubu ashimema: thanks. I will ask Tomas to upload them on the bug report when he will push them in master
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07:42 Oak Joubu++
07:43 Oak dpavlin++
07:43 ashimema :)
07:43 ashimema Joubu++
07:43 Joubu Paola++ & Zeno++ ;)
07:43 Joubu and ashimema++
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08:10 magnuse bonjour akafred paul_p
08:10 magnuse yeah Paola++ Zeno++
08:11 Joubu welcome akafred :)
08:15 magnuse nice intro on koha-devel :-)
08:15 magnuse and that message got through, but there might still be a backlog somewhere?
09:04 rangi akafred:[…]-July/036714.html
09:11 magnuse yay
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10:14 ashimema nice
10:14 ashimema rangi.. just passed your reply-to patch
10:14 ashimema patches
10:15 ashimema that should make cait happy too :)
10:15 magnuse yay
10:15 magnuse ashimema++
10:16 ashimema not bad going this morning.. one massive qa and one smaller one..
10:16 ashimema nice to cross those off the list :)
10:16 magnuse awesome!
10:16 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse
10:16 magnuse with pleasure
10:17 magnuse whoa 210 bugs need signoff?!?
10:17 ashimema and with any luck.. shibboleth with get caits stamp of approval tomorrow
10:18 ashimema yeah.. there's a fair bunch in the queue
10:18 ashimema We're holding some sandbox training sessions over the coming weeks here.. hopefully that'll help a little..
10:20 magnuse ashimema: who are you training?
10:20 ashimema to start with, a Uni and a Public library..
10:20 magnuse cool!
10:20 ashimema trying to introduce it to our customers slowly.. get some liking it.. then they can sell the sandboxes to the rest of them for us ;)
10:21 magnuse good plan!
10:23 Joubu I have a DBIC problem, see my patch submitted on bug 12627 comment 14.
10:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12627 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Passed QA , SQLHelper replacement - C4::Suggestions
10:23 Joubu I am not sure how we can manage this problem better.
10:23 Joubu But we should, because this method is very ugly.
10:24 Joubu undef vs null vs 0 vs ''
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11:40 Joubu http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]on-td3067604.html
11:40 Joubu whaou, Oct 2008...
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11:44 magnuse Joubu: time flies when you're having fun ;-)
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11:46 * Joubu is searching for the fun
11:50 magnuse awww...
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12:31 akafred @oleonard That's right, t'hy'la :-)
12:31 huginn akafred: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
12:32 oleonard Hi akafred. Don't mind huginn, he's just complaining because of the @ in your message
12:35 * akafred acknowledges that twitter has ruined his two decades old knowledge of how to address people on irc ...
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12:38 akafred rangi: We have drawn some inspiration from the jbfink docker-approach :-9
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13:06 oleonard We should remove the hold limit option from the Circulation and Fine rules matrix since it doesn't work.
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13:25 schnydszch Hi! anybody here experienced news not showing in their Koha ILS' OPAC? we're using 3.16.3
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13:25 oleonard Did it happen just after an upgrade schnydszch?
13:25 schnydszch yeah I upgraded
13:26 schnydszch from 3.16.2 to 3.16.3
13:26 schnydszch debian package
13:27 schnydszch but I got the problem in one of my koha instance which was running 3.16.2, I upgraded it, hoping that it will be resolved
13:27 schnydszch ..since newer version is 3.16.3
13:27 oleonard Just today schnydszch? It is the last day of the month (in my time zone anyway): Bug 12507
13:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12507 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , News does not always display in staff or OPAC
13:28 schnydszch yeah just today.. and yes it's the last day of the month here too
13:29 schnydszch okay got it.. thanks! I'll see it tomorrow :) thanks!
13:33 oleonard By the way schnydszch, you emails to the Koha list always end up in my spam folder (with gmail). Maybe because they're sent through Nabble?
13:33 schnydszch I got alerted that some staff could have edited or remove customizations in the OPAC. sigh of relief it's just a bug. Thanks and cheers!
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13:34 oleonard I just thought i'd mention it in case you weren't getting responses
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13:36 schnydszch yes oleonard, i'm using nabble
13:36 mm123 hello. I have recently updated Koha to version 3.14.10, did a full reindexing. However, when doing a search i get the following: No results match your search for 'kw,wrdl:
13:36 mm123 any suggestions of what might have gone wrong?
13:36 schnydszch so i should not stick with nabble? any other way?
13:37 oleonard schnydszch: You might consider subscribing to the email list instead.
13:37 oleonard mailing list?
13:37 wahanui well, mailing list is at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
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13:38 schnydszch okay i'll do that
13:38 schnydszch thanks! :)
13:39 mm123 when searching in OPAC i get the following: No results match your search for 'kw,wrdl:
13:39 oleonard You're welcome schnydszch
13:45 oleonard Anyone here who can run mm123 through the standard routine of verifying Zebra is working?
13:47 schnydszch mm123 you can try this: installing/upgrading part
13:51 mm123 last night i manually ran a full zebra reindex
13:51 mm123 perl /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/mig​ration_tools/ -b -r -v
13:51 mm123 because the librarian reported issues with search
13:51 mm123 the reindexing seemed to have worked
13:52 mm123 but the seach is still not working this morning
13:52 schnydszch try to clear zebra indexes
13:53 mm123 kind of emabrassing, but how do i do that?
13:53 mm123 so sorry
13:53 schnydszch i'm using debian package so i can only relate with debian package installation, how did you install your koha ils?
13:53 schnydszch this worked for me:  $ zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg -g iso2709 -d biblios init     $ zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-authorities.cfg -g iso2709 -d authorities init
13:54 mm123 git
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13:56 schnydszch oopps.. i haven't tried git, i always go for debian package installation since it's easier :) but maybe you can try clearing first your zebra index.
13:56 schnydszch then rebuild your zebra index
13:57 oleonard mm123: Is koha-zebra-daemon running?[…]-_git#Setup_Zebra
13:58 mm123 this is set in crontab
13:58 mm123 # ZEBRA INDEX UPDATES with -z option, incremental index updates throughout the $ # for both authorities(REMOVED) and bibs 5 * * * *  /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/mig​ration_tools/ -b -a -z $
13:59 oleonard mm123: That refers to the index process, but the Zebra service needs to be running in order for Koha to interface with the index which that cron job builds
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14:25 mm123 i tried to clear Zebra by running the following command zebraidx -c /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg drop biblios
14:25 mm123 but then I get [fatal] zebra_begin_trans: cannot open register
14:27 schnydszch hi! have you tried oleonard's suggestion? checking the status of koha zebra daemon
14:31 mm123 zebrasrv appears to be started
14:38 schnydszch hi! googling your error i see this, you can probably start from here: cheers!
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15:53 oleonard If anyone can do something to get Bug 12892 moving again I would appreciate it
15:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen
15:53 oleonard khall?
15:53 khall yo
15:53 oleonard Are you waiting for something from someone else in order for Bug 12892 to move forward?
15:54 khall oleonard: yeah, it involves the coding guidelines and whether what the patch does should be allowed or not
15:54 khall I'm working on an alternative right now
15:55 oleonard Thanks. I consider the bug a blocker for upgrade for my library so it'd be great to see a fix make it into 3.16.x
15:56 khall understood, I'm making it a priority
15:57 reiveune bye
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16:13 Malumfashee Is there any body online
16:14 oleonard Ask you question, Malumfashee, and if someone can answer your question they may
16:18 Malumfashee Please, I am currently an Koha system administrator. My problem with our system is that our institution logo that has been appearing on the OPAC interface of our system which replaced Koha logo before has now disappear. Please how can I restore it back on OPAC so that users can be able to see it. Thanks
16:18 oleonard Malumfashee: Can you share the link to your OPAC?
16:19 gaetan_B bye
16:20 Malumfashee Our OPAC is based on Intranet
16:20 Malumfashee Are you online?
16:22 oleonard What method did you use to change the logo? Did something change before the logo disappeared? An upgrade?
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17:17 * magnuse waves
17:20 * magnuse waves at meliss and JesseM
17:21 JesseM Hi magnuse
17:21 meliss Hello magnuse
17:22 meliss I have coffee and ready to tackle the rest of the afternoon.
17:28 magnuse yay
17:29 * magnuse has gone 40 odd years without coffee
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17:34 * magnuse waves at nengard
17:37 * nengard waves back
17:37 nengard :)
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18:33 oleonard Given ([…]13a2;hb=HEAD#l155)...
18:33 oleonard Would it be wrong to do this? $branchloop = C4::Branch::GetBranchesLoop("");
18:34 oleonard pass an empty string as the branch in order to force no branches to be "selected" ?
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18:34 oleonard Seems to work, but I'm wondering if it's stylistically incorrect somehow
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19:03 magnuse have fun #koha!
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19:30 pablito hi all
19:31 pablito anyone here can help me with some errors generated from the koha-common script?
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19:32 * cait waves
19:32 pablito hi cait
19:32 cait hi pablito:)
19:32 pablito long time to are you? :-)
19:32 cait tired? :)
19:33 cait just got home from giving a presentation
19:33 cait long day
19:33 wahanui long day is probably over. Now for the long night. Have a great day, #koha.
19:33 pablito ok hehe
19:33 pablito have a good night
19:33 pablito :-)
19:33 pablito cait: me too
19:33 pablito :-)
19:34 cait here for a bit :)
19:34 pablito I've been getting this error that's a bit frustrating, can you help a little?
19:34 pablito This is the error I get in the log and via email.  The file stslib.conf does exist, but the error
19:34 pablito /etc/cron.daily/koha-common:
19:34 pablito tar: etc/apache2/sites-available/stslib.conf: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
19:34 pablito tar: etc/apache2/sites-enabled/stslib.conf: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
19:34 pablito tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
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19:35 cait hm
19:35 cait sorry, not sure what that could be
19:36 cait the instance stslib exiss?
19:36 pablito I have a feeling it has to do with the automatic backup script
19:36 pablito yes, stslib.conf exists
19:36 pablito I wonder if it has to do with not having the "/" before the etc
19:40 cait hm not sure
19:40 cait might be osmething witht he path or permissions... i ma not very good on the sysadmin side of things
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22:01 eythian hi
22:01 bag hey there eythian
22:02 eythian howdy bag
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23:43 eythian I can't seem to edit sysprefs in 3.16.2. This is weird and concerning
23:44 eythian it behaves like I have ctrl pressed or something, so it just goes all strange.
23:49 eythian ah, it's some customisation we have
23:49 eythian bizarre

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