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@seen cait |
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Oak: cait was last seen in #koha 8 hours, 54 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <cait> might be osmething witht he path or permissions... i ma not very good on the sysadmin side of things |
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Oak |
Ahoy cait |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
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Oak |
haven't talked to you in a while. brushed your teeth? |
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cait |
:) |
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Oak |
no seriously. have you? |
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cait |
lol not yet, just getting ready for wokr |
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cait |
but i will |
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Oak |
oook. |
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Oak |
so no breakfast then either? |
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Oak |
wait. get ready for work. i'll annoy you later. |
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:) |
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:) |
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you don't annoy me, just still sleepy |
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@wunder Cordoba, Argentina |
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cait: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 14.7°C (2:35 AM ART on October 01, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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Oak |
cool. |
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Oak |
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\o/ |
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:-) |
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hello |
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wahanui |
hello, reiveune |
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Oak |
hello reiveune |
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hi Oak magnuse cait :) |
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Bnojour monsieur alex_a |
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Salut Oak |
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hello |
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hello Joubu ! |
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bonjour reiveune alex_a Joubu gaetan_B |
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alex_a |
bonjour magnuse |
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cait |
morning all :) |
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kia ora cait |
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ashimema |
morning cait |
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ashimema |
morning all |
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magnuse |
hiya ashimema |
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"ashimema" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "mail headers good" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/229 |
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magnuse |
? |
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ashimema |
that was meant for cait ;) |
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ashimema |
didn't mean to post it here.. |
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cait |
:) |
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have fun JesseM_away :-) |
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magnuse |
hiya akafred |
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akafred |
hello :-) |
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akafred |
btw - the issue i had with the koha-devel a couple of days ago was that the mailing list software looks at the actual sender, not the one in the to:-field - so i had to do some tweaking n my end. |
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indradg |
Hi #Koha :) |
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cait |
akafred: it looks like todayis typoday |
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cait |
i got the ame problem:) |
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magnuse |
e oo |
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khall |
mornin all! |
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magnuse |
kia ora khall |
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khall |
mornin magnuse! |
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cait |
khall: i am confused by the new waitig hold patch :( |
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ashimema |
morning khall |
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khall |
cait: it's my new alternative to the patch that was so contentious. I'm hoping everyone will be happy with this one. |
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khall |
mornin ashimema! |
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cait |
not sure about the Koha::Objects Koha::Object |
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khall |
magnuse: ashimema: You should check out bug 12892 and let me know what you think. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen |
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khall |
cait: the idea is to avoid using DBIC from our perl scripts, but still have a nice base upon to build smart objects so we aren't creating everyone in a bespoke fashion. |
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cait |
i understand the separating of dbic from perl - but i get lost about the objects i guess |
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ashimema |
i'll have a look |
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ashimema |
though I have to admit lately we've been reaching the edge of my perl understanding ;) |
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cait |
i would scratch 'lately' from that sentence for me :) |
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khall |
The way we are headed we will have totally inconsistent ways of handling higher level functionality in Koha. Koha::Object and Koha::Objects are bases upon which we can build better more consistent classes. Of course, no one will be forced to use them unless the dev's vote to do so. But at least they would be available. |
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khall |
so Koha::Item is a Koha::Object. We can then do things like $item->barcode and $item->barcode('1234'). We save them to the db with $item->Store(). |
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khall |
Koha::Objects is where anything that deals with a group of objects lives. So for example, if we want a method that returns all checked out items ( for whatever reason ) we would put it in Koha::Items, and it would return any array of Koha::Item objects. |
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khall |
This way, our perl scripts know nothing about DBIC, but we can have consistency. |
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khall |
We can make our Object and Objects classes smarter over time. For example, I'd love to add iteration to Koha::Objects, but it wasn't needed for this bug, and would have taken me more time to add. |
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ashimema |
So you envisage a $items->next call for example where $items is a Koha::Items object which inherits all the basics from Koha::Objects.. right? |
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goes off the read the patches |
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khall |
ashimema: exactly |
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khall |
It does sacrifice some of the automagic we get from DBIC, but in turn we gain much more control over how we do things. |
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ashimema |
sounds like a pretty dry approach.. which is nice. |
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khall |
We don't even *need* to use dbic. We can use plain ole DBI to get hashrefs to create Objects. So we aren't even married to DBIC though I don't see us switching to anything else in the near future. |
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khall |
yeah, I'm big on keeping things dry ; ) |
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hates to be wet. |
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ashimema |
haha |
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ashimema |
Well.. looking at the code I like it.. |
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ashimema |
I think we need to get Joubu, rangi, tcohen and gmcharlt to weight in though.. |
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Joubu |
hum? |
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read back |
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Joubu |
khall: nice, I will have a look quickly! |
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khall |
Joubu: excellent! I didn't realize you were in! |
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Joubu |
khall: Where can I put comment? On the bug report? |
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khall |
I don't know. If it's about the implementation, why don't we start here in #koha |
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cait |
:) |
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khall |
I'd really like to get your input. |
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khall: I am for Koha::Object and Koha::Objects but other guys didn't. Did you read the last meeting about DBIC? |
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khall |
I'm afraid not. It was really bad timing that I was away last week. Cait: do you have a link to the minutes? |
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khall |
Joubu: Of course, use of these classes is entirely optional, so those who don't like it don't have to use it. |
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cait |
khall: not right now, if not on the wiki probably best to dig them up from the irc logs |
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Joubu |
khall: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/ |
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khall |
thanks! |
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ashimema |
http://meetings.koha-community[…]23-15.06.log.html |
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ashimema |
lol |
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ashimema |
15:43:50 <gmcharlt> as far as our quesinon #6 is concerned -- I'm not a fan of a Koha::Object and/or Koha::Object::Set as a universal base class |
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Joubu |
khall: IMO if Koha::Object exists, all classes should inherit of it. |
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khall |
I would prefer that as well |
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ashimema |
me 3 |
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Joubu |
khall: just looking at the code, quickly: 1/ Type and ObjectClass could be attributes, not method, isn't it? |
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Joubu |
2/ <troll> Why methods begin with MAJ? :) |
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khall |
Joubu: 1) I tried that and found methods to be easier, but that could be changed easily. |
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khall |
2) You mean camel casing method names? It was really just because we already camel case module subroutines |
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khall |
It also helps to separate methods from "properties" so to speak. |
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Joubu |
3/ About the Save/Set method, you should have a look at http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]31953&action=diff I found a bug yesterday about "default" values and empty string vs '0' vs undef. Not sure how we should manage that correctly |
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Joubu |
Id method ++ :) |
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khall |
One of the advantages to this is we can override the default Store to do custom checking based on what's required for a given object type. |
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khall |
Id() could be important in the long run. Using it will allow us to fix our db schema without changing any code! |
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Joubu |
"Bad setter returns undef" => not sure about that. Bad setter should croak |
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Joubu |
Maybe it could be good to use Class::Accessor too (for get/set at least) |
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Joubu |
you should remove the encode call and depend on 11944 :) |
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cait |
Joubu: maybe for a follow up |
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cait |
this is a bad bug in 3.16, so we probably need it there |
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khall |
cait: Joubu: exactly. We can update the Object as a one liner. |
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cait |
but something to keep a note somewhere to not forget |
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won't forget. |
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Joubu |
khall: Why Koha::Borrower->new($patron_info) does not work? |
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Joubu |
sorry, looking at the wrong class |
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khall |
lol, yeah, I was re-reading my code to see what I did wrong! |
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khall |
If we added iteration to Objects, we can have it store an Object array, and be able to pass in an array of Object as part of the constructor as well. But that's thinking ahead a bit. |
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khall |
Keeping it simple at the start is probably for the best. |
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Joubu |
khall: yes, I agree |
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Joubu |
I am really not a fan of CamelCase, especially when you have a "new" method |
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Joubu |
khall: last: t/db_dependent/Objects.t should be t/db_dependent/Borrowers.t |
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khall |
I'm open to changing that |
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khall |
Joubu: I was thinking that. Originally I set it up so Object and Objects could be instantiated directly, but in the end I though maybe that was a bad idea so I changed the unit tests to use Borrower and Borrowers instead. |
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Joubu |
khall: Otherwise, it could be a good start :) |
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khall |
It's really testing Object and Objects via Borrower and Borrowers so the naming is really philosophical ; ) |
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khall |
Joubu: thanks! I really hope we can get some consensus on how to move forward. I keep writing proofs of concept and my hands are cramping up! |
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Joubu |
khall: yes but you directly test Borrowers, not Objects |
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Joubu |
anyway, not a big deal |
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khall |
Joubu: you are correct and have no problem with those tests being renamed. |
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Joubu |
khall: you would have been good to have the Object and Objects in a separate bug report (for the discussion, at least) |
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Joubu |
s/you/it |
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khall |
I agree with that. |
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khall |
give me a minute ; ) |
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khall |
mornin tcohen! Please take a look at bug 12892! |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen |
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tcohen |
hi khall |
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tcohen |
will do! |
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khall |
tcohen: if you can read back I think you'll find the recent discussion helpful, but it's nothing we haven't discussed before |
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KaustubhG |
hello anyone there ? |
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khall |
yes ; ) |
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KaustubhG |
hi khall :) |
| 11:18 |
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KaustubhG |
I am a newbie wanting to contribute for koha |
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KaustubhG |
how do i go about it ? |
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khall |
KaustubhG: what experience do you have? Are you a programmer? A librarian? |
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Joubu |
KaustubhG: How do you want to contribute? Technically ? |
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KaustubhG |
yes i want to contribute technically |
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KaustubhG |
I am currently studying engineering in Computer Science |
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KaustubhG |
I wanted to implement better book searches |
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KaustubhG |
using Natural language processing |
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khall |
KaustubhG: probably the two best things you can do are to write patches for existing bugs, and to test and sign-off bugs that already have patches |
| 11:27 |
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khall |
Your suggestion there is a big idea! |
| 11:28 |
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KaustubhG |
:) |
| 11:28 |
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khall |
Do you have any idea where you'd start with the natural language processing? I think you'd need to learn a lot about Koha's search related internals if you haven't already. |
| 11:29 |
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KaustubhG |
I have started watching the video tutorials on NLP offered by coursera |
| 11:29 |
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khall |
it's also important to note that there is work being done to add ElasticSearch support to Koha. Right now we use Zebra from Index Data as the search engine. It's a z39.50 server basically. |
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KaustubhG |
oh |
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KaustubhG |
whats a z39.50 server ? |
| 11:31 |
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wahanui |
i guess a z39.50 server is done by zebra, so i think no |
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khall |
wahanui: I suppose I'm oversimplifying things, aren't I |
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wahanui |
khall: i'm not following you... |
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KaustubhG |
me too |
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khall |
anyone please correct me if I'm wrong, but we build our query in CCL ( among other opions iirc ), query the zebra server with that, and it gives back MARC records. |
| 11:36 |
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ashimema |
bingo khall |
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ashimema |
z39.50 is a library specific indexing engine KaustubhG |
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KaustubhG |
oh |
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ashimema |
well.. actaully zebra is the indexing engine.. z39.50 is the protocol to interact with it. |
| 11:37 |
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ashimema |
and z39.50 itself support a number of different query langauge's.. |
| 11:37 |
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ashimema |
that about right aint it khall? |
| 11:38 |
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khall |
yes, I think that's more accurate |
| 11:39 |
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KaustubhG |
so koha currently uses zebra for querying the searches ? |
| 11:39 |
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ashimema |
as khall said. we are also currently investigating elasticsearch, which uses Lucene as the underlying indexing engine and eleasticesearch is in effect the z39.50 bit.. and can similarly be queried via different query languages.. I think |
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ashimema |
lets define it in simpler terms.. |
| 11:40 |
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ashimema |
ccl -> z39.50 -> zebra -> records |
| 11:40 |
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ashimema |
so koha uses ccl (and sometimes pqf) query languages to communicated over z39.50 protocol to the zebra indexer which holds record fields inside indexes. |
| 11:41 |
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ashimema |
and a 'record' in this sense is a marc21 or unimarc record.. |
| 11:41 |
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ashimema |
That's pretty much the flow.. |
| 11:41 |
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ashimema |
hope that helps |
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KaustubhG |
wow :) |
| 11:42 |
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ashimema |
in parallel there is work going on to add elestic search.. which pretty much replaces each one of those steps with similar steps, but specific to the Lucene indexer... |
| 11:42 |
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ashimema |
try saying all that 5 times fast .. |
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khall |
lol |
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* ashimema |
should really get back to setting up mail servers |
| 11:42 |
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ashimema |
In short, search is hard KaustubhG |
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KaustubhG |
so tweaking the searches is gonna be hard :p |
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ashimema |
kinda ;) |
| 11:44 |
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ashimema |
though there are lots of peeps interested in it in here ;) |
| 11:45 |
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ashimema |
eythian and dcook are the current peeps with most vested interest.. but jcamins is also usually interested in it too.. though he does less with koha these days. |
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khall |
Joubu: ashimema et al, to bounce back to bug 13019 ( I moved the patch to it's own bug ). On of the benefits of this system is we can encapsulate our bad schema, then fix it! For example, we can have Koha::Biblio keep and handle biblioitems as well. Once it's encapsulated in the code, we can merge the two tables in the database, update only Koha::Biblio and we are done! The same goes for tables that need renaming ( like reserves shou |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects |
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magnuse |
KaustubhG: you might want to look at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eveloper_handbook |
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KaustubhG |
thanks magnuse |
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khall |
If we went with the DBIC facing approach, we'd have to do the opposite, fix the schema then update all the code that handles biblioitems, a much more monumental task. |
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khall |
I think it's a good middle ground between full-dbic and what we envisioned in Edinburgh |
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Joubu |
khall: you have been cut: " like reserves shou" |
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khall |
( like reserves should be holds ) |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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khall |
mornin oleonard! |
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hi oleonard |
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cait |
glad to see the discussion iss back on :) |
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magnuse |
yeah! |
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magnuse |
it's way over my head, but it sounds like something that would be good to decide on *now*, so we don't have to go back and change too much |
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oleonard |
@later tell eythian I don't see a red box when adding a library to Koha. What version? |
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huginn |
oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
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oleonard |
I'll ask this again since people are awake... |
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oleonard |
Given C4:Branch.pm:GetBranchesLoop (http://git.koha-community.org/[…]13a2;hb=HEAD#l155)... |
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oleonard |
Would it be wrong to do this? $branchloop = C4::Branch::GetBranchesLoop(""); |
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oleonard |
...to pass an empty string as the branch in order to force no branches to be "selected" ? |
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oleonard |
Seems to work, but I'm wondering if it's stylistically incorrect somehow |
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Joubu |
oleonard: $branchloop = C4::Branch::GetBranchesLoop() should be enough |
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oleonard |
Okay I guess I'm misunderstanding how it's being called in the context of the script I'm looking at |
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* oleonard |
will have to look again |
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* cait |
cheers oleonard on |
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tcohen |
morning |
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cait |
morning tcohen :) |
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tcohen |
morning cait |
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oleonard |
Thanks for taking my suggestion in that followup for Bug 12550 khall. I think that works well. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12550 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to delay loading of patron's checkouts in circulation and patron details |
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np! |
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oleonard |
Hi schnydszch, how's your news today? |
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schnydszch |
hi oleonard, they're back :) |
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schnydszch |
the NEWS are back |
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schnydszch |
how are you oleonard? |
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oleonard |
I'm fine thanks schnydszch |
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nengard |
cait didn't you and I work on some jquery to hide item types from the advanced search page? I don't see it on the wiki |
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cait |
nengard: hm i didn't put it there, but i think we discussed on irc |
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nengard |
yeah, that's what i'm remembering and i didn't put i there either :( |
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cait |
but it stll had the problem that it left holes or that the lines had a different number of entries |
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reiveune |
bye |
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feels battered and bruised after having spent the last two days getting to grips with mail servers! |
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ztajoli |
Hi to all. In dev mailing list I have sent a post about IE6/IE7 and their support in opac, bootstrap theme |
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ztajoli |
As I have understand, now opac is not usable with IE6/IE7 |
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ztajoli |
Are we aware of this situation ? |
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ztajoli |
The mail: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]tober/040836.html |
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oleonard |
Frankly I don't care if something doesn't work in IE6. But I'm open to discussion on IE7. |
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oleonard |
ztajoli: You sent this email after testing in IE6 and IE7? |
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ztajoli |
No, because I don't have IE6 or IE7 |
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ztajoli |
But the documentation on jtree plugin is very clear: |
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ztajoli |
It doesn't work with IE6/IE7, only from IE8 |
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ztajoli |
So, now, with the code in git master |
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ztajoli |
Koha Opac doesn't work with IE6/IE7 only for the presence of jtree JQuery plugin |
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jeff |
If anyone finds themselves needing/wanting to test in ancient versions of IE, Microsoft provides virtual machine images here which I have found useful in the past: https://www.modern.ie/en-us/vi[…]n-tools#downloads |
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oleonard |
ztajoli: Have you tested the behavior of jstree in the OPAC with a modern browser? |
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jeff |
from IE6 and IE8 on XP, IE7 on Vista, IE 8/9/10/11 on Windows 7, and IE10 and IE11 on Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 respectively. |
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oleonard |
...although I'm pretty sure usage of the IE6 on XP VM is banned by the Geneva conventions |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
isn't jstree only used for authorities? |
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druthb |
. |
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cait |
and only if you have a certain pref on? |
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cait |
hi druthb :) |
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* druthb |
perks. |
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* druthb |
dropped something on her keyboard. :P |
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* druthb |
is a clumsy old thing |
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ztajoli |
Yes, jstree is used only for authority in Opac |
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ztajoli |
But for me authority is a quite important part of Opac, so the meaning is 'Opac doesn't work with IE6/IE7' |
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cait |
hm do you use hierarchical linked authorities? |
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oleonard |
ztajoli: Therefore I think that saying "Opac doesn't support IE6 and IE7" is an unnecessary exaggeration |
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ztajoli |
For us not |
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ztajoli |
It is used in details and MARCdetails |
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oleonard |
ztajoli: jstree is used in details and MARC details? |
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ztajoli |
Jstree is the only first js library that I find not supporting IE6/IE7. Now I do a completa check and I will add the situation on the dev-list (and here). Probably I will send the situation from 1-2 hours |
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jcamins |
Why is jstree required for non-hierarchical authorities? |
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ztajoli |
opac-auth-detail.tt -> line 123 with [% IF ( displayhierarchy ) %] |
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cait |
yes it's only needed if you have hierarchical linked authority data and choose to show them |
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jcamins |
I'm having trouble caring that an advanced feature doesn't work on IE6 or IE7. |
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ztajoli |
opac-auth-MARCdetail.tt -> 65 with [% IF ( displayhierarchy ) %] |
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oleonard |
Anyone know a link to a publicly-accessible OPAC which shows hierarchical linked authority data? |
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jcamins |
I don't see how that's different from lynx not displaying images. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: Lyon 3, maybe? |
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jcamins |
I can't find their library catalog, never mind. |
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ztajoli |
I need to go away, I will report the situation as soon as possible |
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oleonard |
jcamins: Never mind, we don't use a version of jsTree that is broken in IE6/7 |
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oleonard |
http://old.jstree.com/ |
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jcamins |
oleonard: just as well, this isn't the one I was thinking of. |
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jcamins |
I could've sworn it was a French library that start with an 'L,' but Lyon 3 is Sonia's library, and that's not the one. |
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oleonard |
Koha uses two different javascript tree view plugins in two different places and I think both would be broken by an upgrade to the latest jQuery |
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jcamins |
Wait, where's the other tree view plugin? I thought I replaced it. |
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jcamins |
(note: I'm not replacing it if I didn't, I'm just making conversation) |
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oleonard |
jquery.treeview.pack.js in the staff client, jquery.jstree.js in the OPAC |
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jcamins |
Oh, staff client. I didn't know we had any tree view plugins on the staff client. |
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jcamins |
And didn't we conclude the staff client didn't work in IE7 anyway? |
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oleonard |
Occasionally someone files a bug about IE7 and sometimes they get fixed |
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cait |
some people have ie customers... |
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jcamins |
cait: yeah, but I thought too many people had given up. |
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cait |
hm? |
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jcamins |
cait: I thought it was not a matter of policy but a matter of people not having enough time to fix the IE7 bugs. |
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cait |
ah |
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Oak |
\o/ |
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oleonard |
If folks are using IE7 and having problems then they're not reporting many bugs: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ha&resolution=--- |
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* Oak |
got Koha installed inside a virtual machine using QEMU/KVM |
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Oak |
cait, are you at KohaCon? |
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cait |
yes :) |
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Oak |
wait. |
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Oak |
oh cool. |
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cait |
did i mess up now? |
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Oak |
huh? |
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Oak |
nope you are OK. |
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cait |
becaus eyou said wait and i had already answered :) |
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Oak |
oh i got confused about dates... whether KohaCon is even started or not :) |
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jcamins |
According to my calendar, not. |
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Oak |
:) |
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Oak |
6th October. |
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cait |
ah yes, i will be at koha con :) |
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cait |
right now i am panicking becuase i need to pack! |
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Oak |
when is your flight? |
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cait |
friday around noon :) |
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Oak |
hmm. lots of preparations to make then. |
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oleonard |
Let it be known: chris_n forever lies in wait for the right time to strike. |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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bag |
@marc 100a |
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huginn |
bag: unknown tag 100a |
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bag |
@marc 100 |
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huginn |
bag: A personal name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8] |
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oleonard |
@marc 100$a |
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huginn |
oleonard: unknown tag 100$a |
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chris_n |
oleonard: muhaahhaha! |
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rangi |
ah yes, the old reporting bugs that dont exist because we read a page on the internet trick |
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cait |
heya rangi |
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rangi |
morning |
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tcohen |
morning rangi |
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cait |
rangi: just told tcohen that you will have free hand on the slides |
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tcohen |
heh |
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cait |
i wlil just stand there trying not to faint |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
at least its the last day, so we have a few evenings to work on it before then |
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cait |
rangi: yeah |
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cait |
rangi: maybe we can do a practice run |
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tcohen |
rangi: negative - drinking beer is the plan :-P |
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tcohen |
let cait do it |
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cait |
WHA! |
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* bag |
offers to help rangi and tcohen drink beer |
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* bag |
has to put together some slides for his talk at night too |
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rangi |
im happy to drink after the conference :) but i learnt my lesson in 2009, early nights when you have to speak the next day, or you lose your voice |
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cait |
only 2009? |
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rangi |
thats the only conference i had to skip my talk cos i had no voice |
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bag |
rangi: I blame texas - not the drinking or the late nights |
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tcohen |
heh |
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tcohen |
ok ok |
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tcohen |
drinking only wednesday onwards |
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* tcohen |
is happy to speak only at the beggining |
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goes to start the next load of laundry... travel prep :) |
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rangi |
hmm looks warm next week, according to the forecast |
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rangi |
http://www.weather.com/weather[…]rgentina+ARCA0023 |
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rangi |
@later tell paul_p i have a copy of the presentation from last year, i figure we just add one more year to it eh? |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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bag |
oh nice - Shorts weather |
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rangi |
bbiab feeding ravenous children |
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rangi |
back, briefly |
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rangi |
and gone again |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
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eythian |
@later tell oleonard 3.16.3, but it was our weird patched version that has other issues, so it could have just been that. |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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gmcharlt |
http://koha-community.org/koha-3-16-4-released/ |
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wizzyrea |
\o/ |
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eythian |
gmcharlt: bug 12849 could do with being put into 3.16 (and 3.14) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12849 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sending a list has malformed links |
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gmcharlt |
eythian: cool, I've tackd on the rel_3_16_5_candidate keyword in the bug |
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eythian |
cool ta |
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eythian |
http://youtu.be/0YBumQHPAeU <-- rangi |
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tcohen |
AWESOME |
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tcohen |
awesome |
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eythian |
wahanui: you're supposed to answer to that |
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wahanui |
eythian: huh? |
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wizzyrea |
awesome! |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
yerp. |
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tcohen |
awesome! |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, tcohen |
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