IRC log for #koha, 2014-07-08

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00:25 jcamins 3.10 release date?
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01:47 tcohen hi #koha
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01:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:11 mtompset @later tell tcohen Sorry, had to pick up brother from work.
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02:21 tcohen bye #koha
02:32 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
03:49 dcook @later tell tcohen There we are! I think that's a starting outline of my overall thoughts ;).
03:49 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
03:50 dcook @later tell tcohen I might wait to add what I'm currently doing until folks have had a chance to look...and until I finish some other local work anyway
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04:45 eythian when you stage records with 952 fields, then view the staged marc, should the 952 fields show up? It's not, and I'm wondering if that's by design or not.
04:46 eythian It seems they get split up, so it's probably by design.
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05:13 * cait waves
05:13 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on July 08, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
05:13 dcook yo cait
05:14 cait hi dcook
05:14 cait hi eythian
05:15 eythian hi cait
05:15 eythian bye cait, dcook
05:15 cait bye eythian :)
05:15 dcook later eythian
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06:42 reiveune hello
06:42 wahanui hi, reiveune
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06:47 alex_a bonjour
06:47 lds hello
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07:03 cait hi #koha
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07:22 gaetan_B hello
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07:48 ashimema Good morning #koha
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07:48 ashimema hi cait
08:09 cait hi ashimema
08:09 cait :)
08:10 ashimema good morning cait.
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09:53 JUBIB hi i need help
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09:57 JUBIB anyone around?
09:59 JUBIB where is everyone?
09:59 wahanui everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
10:00 JUBIB well that explains... nothing, actually.
10:00 sophie_m JUBIB, ask your question if you want an answer
10:01 JUBIB thanks.  i have ghost entries that i can't access and can't delete.
10:01 JUBIB they were test entries and since entering them i have had to make changes.  it's still showing them in the search, but when i click on them to edit i get error messages or "there are no entries" as a response
10:03 JUBIB so my question is, how do i get rid of them?
10:03 gaetan_B JUBIB: try reindexing, sounds like your records are still in zebra but not in your database
10:04 JUBIB reindexing?
10:04 wahanui hmmm... reindexing is done. Looks like 3.6.x doesn't like ICU.
10:04 gaetan_B also, if you have no records, zebra cannot reindex, you need at least one record
10:04 gaetan_B JUBIB: don't pay attention to wahanui, he's a bot
10:04 JUBIB thanks for the heads up.  but i am still not following exactly (very much a newbie)
10:05 gaetan_B JUBIB: i don't think i will be able to tell you how to reindex unfortunately... how did you install koha ?
10:06 JUBIB my server admin did it for me.  but he doesn't know the program, so it's always helpful if i can give him details on what i need done.
10:06 JUBIB so reindexing is done in zebra?
10:06 gaetan_B also if you have deleted all your test entries, my guess is that zebra (the indexing engine) will get confused, so you should leave at least one test entry
10:06 gaetan_B yes, you have to do it in the command line
10:06 JUBIB okay that helps.
10:07 gaetan_B otherwise it should be automatic if the install was made properly
10:07 JUBIB should i reenter a test enrty (or a real one) before that's done?
10:07 gaetan_B but yes keep in mind having no records in the database can cause the sort of problem you are having
10:07 gaetan_B yes, that's what i would do
10:07 gaetan_B actually creating one *might* solve the problem without having to resort to the command line
10:08 JUBIB even if i add a new entry, he'll still need to reindex though?
10:08 JUBIB :)
10:08 JUBIB thanks a bunch, i'll give that a try
10:08 gaetan_B i don't really know about this sorry, you'll have to try
10:08 gaetan_B good luck :)
10:08 JUBIB also have a problem with creating patron cards
10:08 JUBIB the program times out onr crashes when i click on the link for the pds
10:08 gaetan_B printing the cards yourself with koha is a bad idea in my opinion
10:09 JUBIB oh.  better option?
10:09 gaetan_B you will save a lot of time ordering pre-printed patron cards, and you'll get a nicer design
10:10 JUBIB thanks for the tip
10:10 gaetan_B you need to find a vendor that prints cards for you, with writeable zones for the patrons information, and most importantly pre-printed barcodes in the right sequence
10:10 gaetan_B printing cards yourself is only a valid option for a *very* small library in my opinion
10:10 JUBIB how do i export the right barcodes then
10:10 gaetan_B small to the point where you wouldn't even need cards actually :D
10:11 gaetan_B you don't export them
10:11 JUBIB then how do iget the right barcodes?
10:11 gaetan_B you tell your vendor "i need 10 000 cards, the first one will have barcode 00001, the last one 10000" and when you create a patron you scan the card you are giving him in the cardnumber field
10:12 JUBIB oic
10:12 JUBIB aill koha read any type of barcode?
10:12 JUBIB will
10:12 gaetan_B i don't know about this
10:13 gaetan_B try it with your vendor
10:13 JUBIB ok
10:13 gaetan_B i think code39 is fairly standard
10:13 gaetan_B actually
10:13 gaetan_B it doesn't depend on Koha
10:13 gaetan_B but on your barcode reader
10:13 gaetan_B which just sends plain text to your computer
10:13 gaetan_B (or keystrokes, i never really understood this)
10:14 JUBIB okay thanks!  going to give your suggestions for a fix a try
10:14 JUBIB i love that there's this live chat option for help!
10:15 gaetan_B you're welcome :)
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11:04 moz hello all
11:05 moz i want to ask smt. about circulation
11:05 moz is is possible to set item-specific circulation rules
11:06 moz for ex; there is 10 DVD's, but one of them is just borrowed by teachers, not all patron categories
11:11 cait moz: you use different itemtypes for that
11:12 cait itemtype in koha can not only be the time of the media, but you could have a special  reference itym type or short loan etc. then you set the circulation rules accordingly
11:12 cait you you have 9 dvds normal loan and 1 teacher loan or something like that
11:12 cait have to go, bye #koha
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11:12 moz ok, thank you
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11:19 fALSO Hi!
11:19 fALSO Does anyone know the name of the file in koha that has the db connection info
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11:26 bgkriegel Hi
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12:02 tcohen morning #koha!
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12:21 bgkriegel hi tcohen
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12:56 tcohen hola bgkriegel
13:00 * tcohen is loving the bash tab-completion feature :-D
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13:03 nlegrand hey #koha
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13:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12332: Fix for tab "Purchase suggestions" not lighting up <[…]54b3a513088ddd098>
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14:05 ashimema oh... did you tab completion make it's way in now then tcohen.
14:05 ashimema awesome.. been looking forward to that for AGES
14:05 tcohen :-D
14:05 tcohen it only work for the root user btw
14:05 tcohen heh
14:06 ashimema that's fair enough.
14:06 ashimema I've been using zsh completion for a while.. it's nice to get it working in bash.
14:06 ashimema and to have it done properly.. rather than zsh's clever guesses
14:10 tcohen i wrote it in a way we can easily extend it
14:10 tcohen ashimema: did you find the time for the indexer daemon handling for packages?
14:11 ashimema fraid not yet.
14:11 ashimema been stuffed with non-koha work of late.
14:12 ashimema but.. as it happens you've caught me at a moment where I'm in need of a koha inspired break ;)
14:12 ashimema bug 8773 right?
14:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
14:12 tcohen that one!
14:12 wahanui that one is down more often than up
14:13 tcohen :-D
14:13 tcohen i changed it to accept parameters
14:13 tcohen so we can use
14:14 ashimema excellent.
14:14 ashimema just reading it now and will throw it at my package builder in a tic.
14:16 * tcohen has just got his third sexual proposal as a reply to a message he sent to koha@ and koha-devel@
14:16 ashimema haha.. love it.
14:16 jcamins tcohen: someone in Quebec had their computer hacked, I think.
14:17 tcohen "I don’t care if we meet somewhere public first or at my place, I’m just looking to have some safe fun honestly."
14:17 tcohen and some nude pictures :-D
14:17 tcohen jcamins, you didn't mention the RM position had those kind of advantages
14:18 jcamins lol
14:18 tcohen LOL
14:20 Joubu tcohen: Yesterday, "Carrie" sent me some photos too...
14:21 cait ...
14:21 tcohen oh, I'm not special then :-P
14:21 cait shoudl I be worreid now because I don't get any? :)
14:21 ashimema me neither..
14:21 ashimema we're oviosly not hard core enough cait ;)
14:21 tcohen ROTFL
14:22 cait heh
14:22 rhcl so how do you all rate? I only get offers of special deals on walk-in tubs
14:22 ashimema or maybe our spam filters are just that bit more active ;)
14:23 jcamins ashimema: have you sent any message to koha@ in the last few days?
14:24 ashimema not in forever ;)
14:24 ashimema been concentrating on other project of rthe last month or so.. so been in koha read only mode for a while ;)
14:25 jcamins There you go.
14:25 tcohen hey, that'd be a good way to promote community participation
14:31 ashimema nice work on the reworking of the deamonized indexing tcohen.. testing all going well so far.
14:31 ashimema tcohen++
14:32 cait tcohen++ ashimema++
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14:43 ashimema so cait.. does tcohen updated indexer patch need a further qa after i've signed off this followup?
14:46 cait paola++ btw too :)
14:46 cait ashimema: which bug number is that?
14:46 ashimema bug 8773
14:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
14:47 ashimema if your wanting to qa it, would you like me to make you a package?
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14:48 cait not keen on qaing it heh
14:48 ashimema I qa'd it last time
14:48 cait heh
14:48 ashimema it passed but was held back by galen as it was built for use with the tamil indexer.
14:48 ashimema the followup tcohen has done switches is to using the in daemon mode by default instead.
14:49 ashimema I've tested and signed off the new patch..
14:49 cait hm it's a new patch
14:49 cait so i guess we should qa it
14:49 ashimema 'most' of it is the smae old stuff that passed the first time.. but there is some reworking and it is a 'new' patch
14:49 ashimema okies.. we'll I've signed it off now..
14:49 cait yeah, please set to signed off for now
14:50 ashimema so we just need a QA
14:50 cait or we need to talk someone into a sign off :)
14:50 ashimema chris signed it off once in the first run..
14:51 ashimema maybe we could bend his arm ;)
14:51 ashimema or robin.. as it's packages related?
14:51 tcohen it is a more generic version of the last patch, set as default to use rebuild_zebra
14:51 tcohen at least eythian should take a look and sign
14:53 ashimema yeah.. eythian is probably the best placed..
14:53 ashimema thanks tcohen.. it's an awesome addition to koha.
14:53 tcohen eythian or rangi can both QA on it
14:54 tcohen hope they find the time
14:54 * tcohen is happy to think it can be ready for 3.18
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15:09 fALSO Hi
15:09 wahanui hey, fALSO
15:09 fALSO Im having a little problem when acessing the Users page in Koha -intranet
15:09 fALSO koha 3.14.8
15:09 fALSO Undefined subroutine &DBIx::Class::Exception::blessed
15:10 fALSO Debain 6.0.6 installed via via apt-get
15:10 fALSO Debian
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15:51 gaetan_B bye!
15:52 jcamins gnd?
15:52 wahanui gnd is quite short ;)
15:54 jcamins @later tell cait Where is the GND standard? tcohen needs it.
15:54 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
15:57 bag morning all
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16:41 tcohen hi
16:41 tcohen what's up with the oftc server?
16:41 tcohen morning bag
16:41 bag morning tcohen
16:42 bag probably a netspilt or something
16:43 tcohen yeah
17:23 gmcharlt @quote random
17:23 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
17:24 tcohen heh
17:24 gmcharlt in that case, let's ask Bayer for a grant for the project! ;)
17:25 tcohen :-D
17:26 tcohen linked data?
17:26 tcohen ES?
17:26 wahanui ES is pretty awesome
17:26 tcohen @later tell eythian need to talk about ES and linked data specifically
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19:45 bag bug 6427
19:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6427 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Rewrite of the accounts system
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20:01 cait brasil vs. germany now :)
20:03 bag heya cait
20:03 bag figured you show up
20:06 cait so i am predictable now? :)
20:06 * bag loves it
20:06 cait hmpf. :)
20:08 cait tcohen: what do you need gnd for? i am confused :)
20:10 cait brasil has a player with the name 'hulk' :)
20:10 tcohen yeah
20:10 tcohen weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:10 tcohen goooooooooooooooooool
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20:10 cait tcohen: so you are brazil?
20:11 cait hm sorry for typoing earlier, i knew it looked somewhat wrong
20:11 tcohen ?
20:11 cait 1:0 germany :)
20:11 tcohen i preferred argentina-brazil
20:11 cait i thought your ... weeeee gooool thing was referring to the game :)
20:11 tcohen i was cheering germany
20:11 cait excellent :)
20:12 cait jcamins left me a cryptic message about gnd and then ran off to tango.
20:12 cait can you explain?
20:12 tcohen i want to integrate TemaTres (you know)
20:12 cait yes, but i haven't really looked into it so far
20:13 tcohen integrating an external thesaurus means the $9 wouldnt contain an authid
20:13 tcohen but a reference to the original entity
20:13 cait hm
20:13 tcohen an URI
20:13 tcohen a timestamp, etc
20:13 cait does tematres not offer ids?
20:14 tcohen of course it does
20:14 cait why not put that in $0?
20:14 gmcharlt cait: quite possibly, the URIs /are/ the IDs
20:14 cait but i should let you explain first
20:14 cait and you should probably talk with gmchrlt about it :)
20:14 tcohen hi gmcharlt
20:14 gmcharlt hi tcohen
20:14 tcohen the thing is i'm trying to learn about standards for linlked data
20:14 cait gmcharlt: you ended up being golden yellow in my irc client today - it suits you :)
20:15 tcohen without knowing much about them
20:15 gmcharlt :)
20:15 cait tcohen: gnd is the german authority file
20:15 cait it has persons, subjects, etc.
20:15 cait we offer a free z39.50 for it now if you want to take a look at the data
20:15 tcohen I know that a marc record should somehow contain a reference to the external entity the heading is referring to
20:15 cait it does a lot of linking, which is good and is based on marc21 authorities standard
20:16 cait what koha does is using $9 for the authority id
20:16 cait which is good
20:16 cait the marc21 standard added $0 for that purpose later
20:16 tcohen suppose we added another option
20:16 cait it's repeatable and normally you have something like (Organisationcode)identifier in there, the subfield is repeatable
20:17 tcohen have a list of defined external vocabulary servers
20:18 tcohen and had catloguing plugins to link specific fields to a defined vocabulary server
20:18 cait if you just link, you won't be able to make use of it for search more than having a unified heading i think
20:18 cait without downloading/creating an authority record in Koha with all the extra information
20:19 gmcharlt or make a local cache of the relevant RDF triples, anyway
20:19 gmcharlt which /might/ be represented as a MARC authority record temporarily
20:19 tcohen well, i'd like to discuss this
20:19 gmcharlt but it would be better, I think, to avoid doing that except purely as an interim measure
20:20 cait i think one use for authorities is to help with all the possible names of an author
20:20 cait tschaikovsky and the mulitple possible spellings being an example
20:20 tcohen another option could be to make and import (in an OAI style) of a SKOS-core export of the vocabulary data
20:21 tcohen and upgrade it frecquently
20:22 tcohen SKOS-core -> MARC authorities
20:22 cait that's an example for a gnd authority record:
20:22 cait 2:0
20:22 cait :)
20:23 bag WOW
20:23 JesseM 2-0
20:23 cait hehe yay
20:24 cait 23rd minute
20:24 cait still a lot of time
20:24 tcohen you've got to be kidding
20:24 JesseM very true
20:24 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
20:24 cait tcohen: soccer or authority?
20:24 cait 3-0
20:24 bag WHAT am I on a delay
20:24 tcohen important stuff of course
20:24 tcohen soccer
20:25 cait hehe
20:25 bag it's still 2-0 here
20:25 cait it's totally 3-0 here :)
20:25 bag oh my gosh
20:25 tcohen 4-0
20:25 JesseM WOW
20:25 bag yup just scored
20:25 JesseM 3-0
20:25 bag holyshit
20:25 tcohen WOOOOOOOW
20:25 cait still 3-0 for me now
20:25 cait are we all watching the same game or is tcohen joking? :)
20:25 cait oh now it's 4.0
20:25 cait lol
20:25 gmcharlt no, it really is 4-0
20:25 cait ok, so the sequence is tochen, me, then bag
20:26 bag I'm still on replays from the third goal
20:26 bag no way!!!!
20:26 bag 4th goal just scored
20:26 JesseM 4-0 OMG
20:26 bag I would cry if I brazil
20:26 tcohen bag has a censorship delay
20:26 * cait agrees
20:27 cait and one of their important players was injured last game :(
20:27 cait tcohen: the link i posted earlier - there is a link to rdf too
20:28 gmcharlt if GER keeps this up, the game risks being confused with an American football game, score-wise
20:28 tcohen 5-0
20:29 cait not seriously?
20:29 bag hopefully not
20:29 tcohen Keddira
20:29 bag no way tcohen
20:29 tcohen Kedhira
20:29 cait arrived here
20:29 gmcharlt 5-0
20:29 cait this is almost as good as if we had a teleporter andcould watch together
20:29 cait but only almost
20:29 gmcharlt did Brazil forget to field a goalie?
20:30 bag oh my gosh - happened here too
20:30 bag is there a mercy rule?
20:30 tcohen there's a tactical problem
20:30 tcohen bag: there should
20:30 tcohen next goal i wont spoil
20:31 bag it's fine with me tcohen - this channel is more exciting
20:31 cait fine with me too
20:31 cait spoil away
20:31 tcohen ff, almost 6-0
20:35 cait hm time for another goal...
20:35 cait *hides*
20:36 bag there will be another goal scored in this game
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20:46 cait break now
20:47 * bag wonders if Brazil comes out after the break
20:47 cait they show crying fans here :(
20:47 bag does the goalie cry?
20:49 cait news now here
20:55 bag The only way Brazil can win now is to use the Flying V (from mighty ducks movie)
20:56 bag cait
20:56 cait mean
20:56 cait ew beer
20:57 bag tcohen:
20:57 bag heh
21:05 cait ok, game resumed
21:05 cait everyone still here?
21:05 tcohen yes
21:06 tcohen bag: heh
21:06 bag yes cait
21:06 bag no goals so far
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21:07 tcohen they want a goal
21:07 cait glad to see our goalie is on the field
21:08 cait hm is it me or are they playing totally different now?
21:12 tcohen they are not in shock anymore
21:12 cait but not easy to get past neuer
21:16 tcohen they have a goalie too :D
21:17 cait yeah, there he was :)
21:24 tcohen 6-0
21:25 cait oooh
21:25 tcohen unbelivable
21:25 cait not yet here
21:25 cait woohooooo
21:25 tcohen not sure what is brazil doing
21:26 tcohen germans shoot alone
21:26 cait tought they had found their game now... but
21:26 bag wow
21:34 cait german fans singing
21:34 tcohen 7-0
21:34 * cait still thinks tcohen must be joking
21:34 cait who?
21:34 tcohen schurle
21:35 cait wow
21:35 cait second goal
21:35 tcohen % /spelling/
21:35 gmcharlt touchdown AND the extra point
21:35 tcohen yeah
21:36 * cait has no idea what gmcharlt is talking about :)
21:36 JesseM :) nice
21:36 bag cait: I don't think the fans will let germany get to the bus if this keeps up
21:36 gmcharlt cait: I'm joking that they're actually playing American football
21:36 cait i know, just no idea how that is played :)
21:37 bag I hope this isn't hurting neymars back anymore - poor guy
21:37 cait yeah :(
21:37 tcohen yeah, we deserved to play this match and level it a bit
21:37 tcohen s/we/he/
21:38 tcohen brazillians are cheering the german team
21:38 bag I wonder if this means that the US was any good - they played the germans closer - but that's probably not the real truth
21:39 cait tcohen: seriously?
21:39 tcohen ooole, ooole
21:39 tcohen f* yeah
21:39 tcohen that's  not right
21:39 cait some others have left earlier, i can understand that more
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21:41 bag the announcers that we have (or that I am watching) aren't really talking about the game anymore - they are talking about the Brazilian people and hoping they don't protest again
21:42 tcohen wahanui: germany hammered brazil 7-0 in 2014's FIFA World Cup
21:42 wahanui tcohen: huh?
21:43 cait germany?
21:43 wahanui i think germany is very cool
21:43 cait i like you wahanui
21:43 cait talking mostly about the team here and history
21:44 cait hm about 2 more minutes....
21:45 tcohen they seem to be letting brazil score
21:45 tcohen *trying to*
21:45 tcohen uhhhhhh
21:45 tcohen ozil almost scored
21:46 cait not sure neuer is in on that
21:46 tcohen 7-1
21:46 cait oooh
21:46 bag from JesseM "announcers just said that Brazil is as quite as a library."
21:46 bag booo
21:46 bag booooo
21:46 bag booo
21:46 cait i kind of disagree with that goal
21:47 bag I haven't seen it yet
21:47 bag ah there we go
21:48 cait heh
21:48 cait poor bag
21:48 tcohen done
21:48 cait 7:1
21:48 cait wow
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21:50 cait fireworks outside
22:14 eythian hi
22:14 wahanui hello, eythian
22:18 cait tcohen: i will cheer for argentina tomorrow :)
22:19 tcohen cait: thanks
22:26 cait thx for watching soccer with me #koha :)
22:26 cait good night
22:26 wahanui It'll all be over soon...
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