Time Nick Message 00:25 jcamins 3.10 release date? 01:47 tcohen hi #koha 01:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:11 mtompset @later tell tcohen Sorry, had to pick up brother from work. 02:11 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 02:21 tcohen bye #koha 02:32 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 03:49 dcook @later tell tcohen There we are! I think that's a starting outline of my overall thoughts ;). 03:49 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 03:50 dcook @later tell tcohen I might wait to add what I'm currently doing until folks have had a chance to look...and until I finish some other local work anyway 03:50 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 04:45 eythian when you stage records with 952 fields, then view the staged marc, should the 952 fields show up? It's not, and I'm wondering if that's by design or not. 04:46 eythian It seems they get split up, so it's probably by design. 05:13 * cait waves 05:13 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on July 08, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 05:13 dcook yo cait 05:14 cait hi dcook 05:14 cait hi eythian 05:15 eythian hi cait 05:15 eythian bye cait, dcook 05:15 cait bye eythian :) 05:15 dcook later eythian 06:42 reiveune hello 06:42 wahanui hi, reiveune 06:47 alex_a bonjour 06:47 lds hello 07:03 cait hi #koha 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:48 ashimema Good morning #koha 07:48 ashimema hi cait 08:09 cait hi ashimema 08:09 cait :) 08:10 ashimema good morning cait. 09:53 JUBIB hi i need help 09:57 JUBIB anyone around? 09:59 JUBIB where is everyone? 09:59 wahanui everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver 10:00 JUBIB well that explains... nothing, actually. 10:00 sophie_m JUBIB, ask your question if you want an answer 10:01 JUBIB thanks. i have ghost entries that i can't access and can't delete. 10:01 JUBIB they were test entries and since entering them i have had to make changes. it's still showing them in the search, but when i click on them to edit i get error messages or "there are no entries" as a response 10:03 JUBIB so my question is, how do i get rid of them? 10:03 gaetan_B JUBIB: try reindexing, sounds like your records are still in zebra but not in your database 10:04 JUBIB reindexing? 10:04 wahanui hmmm... reindexing is done. Looks like 3.6.x doesn't like ICU. 10:04 gaetan_B also, if you have no records, zebra cannot reindex, you need at least one record 10:04 gaetan_B JUBIB: don't pay attention to wahanui, he's a bot 10:04 JUBIB thanks for the heads up. but i am still not following exactly (very much a newbie) 10:05 gaetan_B JUBIB: i don't think i will be able to tell you how to reindex unfortunately... how did you install koha ? 10:06 JUBIB my server admin did it for me. but he doesn't know the program, so it's always helpful if i can give him details on what i need done. 10:06 JUBIB so reindexing is done in zebra? 10:06 gaetan_B also if you have deleted all your test entries, my guess is that zebra (the indexing engine) will get confused, so you should leave at least one test entry 10:06 gaetan_B yes, you have to do it in the command line 10:06 JUBIB okay that helps. 10:07 gaetan_B otherwise it should be automatic if the install was made properly 10:07 JUBIB should i reenter a test enrty (or a real one) before that's done? 10:07 gaetan_B but yes keep in mind having no records in the database can cause the sort of problem you are having 10:07 gaetan_B yes, that's what i would do 10:07 gaetan_B actually creating one *might* solve the problem without having to resort to the command line 10:08 JUBIB even if i add a new entry, he'll still need to reindex though? 10:08 JUBIB :) 10:08 JUBIB thanks a bunch, i'll give that a try 10:08 gaetan_B i don't really know about this sorry, you'll have to try 10:08 gaetan_B good luck :) 10:08 JUBIB also have a problem with creating patron cards 10:08 JUBIB the program times out onr crashes when i click on the link for the pds 10:08 gaetan_B printing the cards yourself with koha is a bad idea in my opinion 10:09 JUBIB oh. better option? 10:09 gaetan_B you will save a lot of time ordering pre-printed patron cards, and you'll get a nicer design 10:10 JUBIB thanks for the tip 10:10 gaetan_B you need to find a vendor that prints cards for you, with writeable zones for the patrons information, and most importantly pre-printed barcodes in the right sequence 10:10 gaetan_B printing cards yourself is only a valid option for a *very* small library in my opinion 10:10 JUBIB how do i export the right barcodes then 10:10 gaetan_B small to the point where you wouldn't even need cards actually :D 10:11 gaetan_B you don't export them 10:11 JUBIB then how do iget the right barcodes? 10:11 gaetan_B you tell your vendor "i need 10 000 cards, the first one will have barcode 00001, the last one 10000" and when you create a patron you scan the card you are giving him in the cardnumber field 10:12 JUBIB oic 10:12 JUBIB aill koha read any type of barcode? 10:12 JUBIB will 10:12 gaetan_B i don't know about this 10:13 gaetan_B try it with your vendor 10:13 JUBIB ok 10:13 gaetan_B i think code39 is fairly standard 10:13 gaetan_B actually 10:13 gaetan_B it doesn't depend on Koha 10:13 gaetan_B but on your barcode reader 10:13 gaetan_B which just sends plain text to your computer 10:13 gaetan_B (or keystrokes, i never really understood this) 10:14 JUBIB okay thanks! going to give your suggestions for a fix a try 10:14 JUBIB i love that there's this live chat option for help! 10:15 gaetan_B you're welcome :) 11:04 moz hello all 11:05 moz i want to ask smt. about circulation 11:05 moz is is possible to set item-specific circulation rules 11:06 moz for ex; there is 10 DVD's, but one of them is just borrowed by teachers, not all patron categories 11:11 cait moz: you use different itemtypes for that 11:12 cait itemtype in koha can not only be the time of the media, but you could have a special reference itym type or short loan etc. then you set the circulation rules accordingly 11:12 cait you you have 9 dvds normal loan and 1 teacher loan or something like that 11:12 cait have to go, bye #koha 11:12 moz ok, thank you 11:19 fALSO Hi! 11:19 fALSO Does anyone know the name of the file in koha that has the db connection info 11:19 fALSO un/pw/host 11:26 bgkriegel Hi 12:02 tcohen morning #koha! 12:21 bgkriegel hi tcohen 12:56 tcohen hola bgkriegel 13:00 * tcohen is loving the bash tab-completion feature :-D 13:03 nlegrand hey #koha 13:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12332: Fix for tab "Purchase suggestions" not lighting up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3acbead04930c502b3e406d54b3a513088ddd098> 14:05 ashimema oh... did you tab completion make it's way in now then tcohen. 14:05 ashimema awesome.. been looking forward to that for AGES 14:05 tcohen :-D 14:05 tcohen it only work for the root user btw 14:05 tcohen heh 14:06 ashimema that's fair enough. 14:06 ashimema I've been using zsh completion for a while.. it's nice to get it working in bash. 14:06 ashimema and to have it done properly.. rather than zsh's clever guesses 14:10 tcohen i wrote it in a way we can easily extend it 14:10 tcohen ashimema: did you find the time for the indexer daemon handling for packages? 14:11 ashimema fraid not yet. 14:11 ashimema been stuffed with non-koha work of late. 14:12 ashimema but.. as it happens you've caught me at a moment where I'm in need of a koha inspired break ;) 14:12 ashimema bug 8773 right? 14:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 14:12 tcohen that one! 14:12 wahanui that one is down more often than up 14:13 tcohen :-D 14:13 tcohen i changed it to accept parameters 14:13 tcohen so we can use rebuild_zebra.pl 14:14 ashimema excellent. 14:14 ashimema just reading it now and will throw it at my package builder in a tic. 14:16 * tcohen has just got his third sexual proposal as a reply to a message he sent to koha@ and koha-devel@ 14:16 ashimema haha.. love it. 14:16 jcamins tcohen: someone in Quebec had their computer hacked, I think. 14:17 tcohen "I don’t care if we meet somewhere public first or at my place, I’m just looking to have some safe fun honestly." 14:17 tcohen and some nude pictures :-D 14:17 tcohen jcamins, you didn't mention the RM position had those kind of advantages 14:18 jcamins lol 14:18 tcohen LOL 14:20 Joubu tcohen: Yesterday, "Carrie" sent me some photos too... 14:21 cait ... 14:21 tcohen oh, I'm not special then :-P 14:21 cait shoudl I be worreid now because I don't get any? :) 14:21 ashimema me neither.. 14:21 ashimema we're oviosly not hard core enough cait ;) 14:21 tcohen ROTFL 14:22 cait heh 14:22 rhcl so how do you all rate? I only get offers of special deals on walk-in tubs 14:22 ashimema or maybe our spam filters are just that bit more active ;) 14:23 jcamins ashimema: have you sent any message to koha@ in the last few days? 14:24 ashimema not in forever ;) 14:24 ashimema been concentrating on other project of rthe last month or so.. so been in koha read only mode for a while ;) 14:25 jcamins There you go. 14:25 tcohen hey, that'd be a good way to promote community participation 14:31 ashimema nice work on the reworking of the deamonized indexing tcohen.. testing all going well so far. 14:31 ashimema tcohen++ 14:32 cait tcohen++ ashimema++ 14:43 ashimema so cait.. does tcohen updated indexer patch need a further qa after i've signed off this followup? 14:46 cait paola++ btw too :) 14:46 cait ashimema: which bug number is that? 14:46 ashimema bug 8773 14:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 14:47 ashimema if your wanting to qa it, would you like me to make you a package? 14:48 cait not keen on qaing it heh 14:48 ashimema I qa'd it last time 14:48 cait heh 14:48 ashimema it passed but was held back by galen as it was built for use with the tamil indexer. 14:48 ashimema the followup tcohen has done switches is to using the rebuild_zebra.pl in daemon mode by default instead. 14:49 ashimema I've tested and signed off the new patch.. 14:49 cait hm it's a new patch 14:49 cait so i guess we should qa it 14:49 ashimema 'most' of it is the smae old stuff that passed the first time.. but there is some reworking and it is a 'new' patch 14:49 ashimema okies.. we'll I've signed it off now.. 14:49 cait yeah, please set to signed off for now 14:50 ashimema so we just need a QA 14:50 cait or we need to talk someone into a sign off :) 14:50 ashimema chris signed it off once in the first run.. 14:51 ashimema maybe we could bend his arm ;) 14:51 ashimema or robin.. as it's packages related? 14:51 tcohen it is a more generic version of the last patch, set as default to use rebuild_zebra 14:51 tcohen at least eythian should take a look and sign 14:53 ashimema yeah.. eythian is probably the best placed.. 14:53 ashimema thanks tcohen.. it's an awesome addition to koha. 14:53 tcohen eythian or rangi can both QA on it 14:54 tcohen hope they find the time 14:54 * tcohen is happy to think it can be ready for 3.18 15:09 fALSO Hi 15:09 wahanui hey, fALSO 15:09 fALSO Im having a little problem when acessing the Users page in Koha -intranet 15:09 fALSO koha 3.14.8 15:09 fALSO Undefined subroutine &DBIx::Class::Exception::blessed 15:10 fALSO Debain 6.0.6 installed via via apt-get 15:10 fALSO Debian 15:48 reiveune bye 15:51 gaetan_B bye! 15:52 jcamins gnd? 15:52 wahanui gnd is quite short ;) 15:54 jcamins @later tell cait Where is the GND standard? tcohen needs it. 15:54 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 15:57 bag morning all 16:41 tcohen hi 16:41 tcohen what's up with the oftc server? 16:41 tcohen morning bag 16:41 bag morning tcohen 16:42 bag probably a netspilt or something 16:43 tcohen yeah 17:23 gmcharlt @quote random 17:23 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009) 17:24 tcohen heh 17:24 gmcharlt in that case, let's ask Bayer for a grant for the project! ;) 17:25 tcohen :-D 17:26 tcohen linked data? 17:26 tcohen ES? 17:26 wahanui ES is pretty awesome 17:26 tcohen @later tell eythian need to talk about ES and linked data specifically 17:26 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 19:45 bag bug 6427 19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6427 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Rewrite of the accounts system 20:01 cait brasil vs. germany now :) 20:03 bag heya cait 20:03 bag figured you show up 20:06 cait so i am predictable now? :) 20:06 * bag loves it 20:06 cait hmpf. :) 20:08 cait tcohen: what do you need gnd for? i am confused :) 20:10 cait brasil has a player with the name 'hulk' :) 20:10 tcohen yeah 20:10 tcohen weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 20:10 tcohen goooooooooooooooooool 20:10 cait tcohen: so you are brazil? 20:11 cait hm sorry for typoing earlier, i knew it looked somewhat wrong 20:11 tcohen ? 20:11 cait 1:0 germany :) 20:11 tcohen i preferred argentina-brazil 20:11 cait i thought your ... weeeee gooool thing was referring to the game :) 20:11 tcohen i was cheering germany 20:11 cait excellent :) 20:12 cait jcamins left me a cryptic message about gnd and then ran off to tango. 20:12 cait can you explain? 20:12 tcohen i want to integrate TemaTres (you know) 20:12 cait yes, but i haven't really looked into it so far 20:13 tcohen integrating an external thesaurus means the $9 wouldnt contain an authid 20:13 tcohen but a reference to the original entity 20:13 cait hm 20:13 tcohen an URI 20:13 tcohen a timestamp, etc 20:13 cait does tematres not offer ids? 20:14 tcohen of course it does 20:14 cait why not put that in $0? 20:14 gmcharlt cait: quite possibly, the URIs /are/ the IDs 20:14 cait but i should let you explain first 20:14 cait and you should probably talk with gmchrlt about it :) 20:14 tcohen hi gmcharlt 20:14 gmcharlt hi tcohen 20:14 tcohen the thing is i'm trying to learn about standards for linlked data 20:14 cait gmcharlt: you ended up being golden yellow in my irc client today - it suits you :) 20:15 tcohen without knowing much about them 20:15 gmcharlt :) 20:15 cait tcohen: gnd is the german authority file 20:15 cait it has persons, subjects, etc. 20:15 cait we offer a free z39.50 for it now if you want to take a look at the data 20:15 tcohen I know that a marc record should somehow contain a reference to the external entity the heading is referring to 20:15 cait it does a lot of linking, which is good and is based on marc21 authorities standard 20:16 cait what koha does is using $9 for the authority id 20:16 cait which is good 20:16 cait the marc21 standard added $0 for that purpose later 20:16 tcohen suppose we added another option 20:16 cait it's repeatable and normally you have something like (Organisationcode)identifier in there, the subfield is repeatable 20:17 tcohen have a list of defined external vocabulary servers 20:18 tcohen and had catloguing plugins to link specific fields to a defined vocabulary server 20:18 cait if you just link, you won't be able to make use of it for search more than having a unified heading i think 20:18 cait without downloading/creating an authority record in Koha with all the extra information 20:19 gmcharlt or make a local cache of the relevant RDF triples, anyway 20:19 gmcharlt which /might/ be represented as a MARC authority record temporarily 20:19 tcohen well, i'd like to discuss this 20:19 gmcharlt but it would be better, I think, to avoid doing that except purely as an interim measure 20:20 cait i think one use for authorities is to help with all the possible names of an author 20:20 cait tschaikovsky and the mulitple possible spellings being an example 20:20 tcohen another option could be to make and import (in an OAI style) of a SKOS-core export of the vocabulary data 20:21 tcohen and upgrade it frecquently 20:22 tcohen SKOS-core -> MARC authorities 20:22 cait that's an example for a gnd authority record: http://d-nb.info/gnd/118638157/about/html 20:22 cait 2:0 20:22 cait :) 20:23 bag WOW 20:23 JesseM 2-0 20:23 cait hehe yay 20:24 cait 23rd minute 20:24 cait still a lot of time 20:24 tcohen you've got to be kidding 20:24 JesseM very true 20:24 wahanui I know. That's why I said it. 20:24 cait tcohen: soccer or authority? 20:24 cait 3-0 20:24 bag WHAT am I on a delay 20:24 tcohen important stuff of course 20:24 tcohen soccer 20:25 cait hehe 20:25 bag it's still 2-0 here 20:25 cait it's totally 3-0 here :) 20:25 bag oh my gosh 20:25 tcohen 4-0 20:25 JesseM WOW 20:25 bag yup just scored 20:25 JesseM 3-0 20:25 bag holyshit 20:25 tcohen WOOOOOOOW 20:25 cait still 3-0 for me now 20:25 cait are we all watching the same game or is tcohen joking? :) 20:25 cait oh now it's 4.0 20:25 cait lol 20:25 gmcharlt no, it really is 4-0 20:25 cait ok, so the sequence is tochen, me, then bag 20:26 bag I'm still on replays from the third goal 20:26 bag no way!!!! 20:26 bag 4th goal just scored 20:26 JesseM 4-0 OMG 20:26 bag I would cry if I brazil 20:26 tcohen bag has a censorship delay 20:26 * cait agrees 20:27 cait and one of their important players was injured last game :( 20:27 cait tcohen: the link i posted earlier - there is a link to rdf too 20:28 gmcharlt if GER keeps this up, the game risks being confused with an American football game, score-wise 20:28 tcohen 5-0 20:29 cait not seriously? 20:29 bag hopefully not 20:29 tcohen Keddira 20:29 bag no way tcohen 20:29 tcohen Kedhira 20:29 cait arrived here 20:29 gmcharlt 5-0 20:29 cait this is almost as good as if we had a teleporter andcould watch together 20:29 cait but only almost 20:29 gmcharlt did Brazil forget to field a goalie? 20:30 bag oh my gosh - happened here too 20:30 bag is there a mercy rule? 20:30 tcohen there's a tactical problem 20:30 tcohen bag: there should 20:30 tcohen next goal i wont spoil 20:31 bag it's fine with me tcohen - this channel is more exciting 20:31 cait fine with me too 20:31 cait spoil away 20:31 tcohen ff, almost 6-0 20:35 cait hm time for another goal... 20:35 cait *hides* 20:36 bag there will be another goal scored in this game 20:46 cait break now 20:47 * bag wonders if Brazil comes out after the break 20:47 cait they show crying fans here :( 20:47 bag does the goalie cry? 20:49 cait news now here 20:55 bag The only way Brazil can win now is to use the Flying V (from mighty ducks movie) 20:56 bag cait http://imgur.com/mjJaPQB 20:56 cait mean 20:56 cait ew beer 20:57 bag tcohen: http://imgur.com/mjJaPQB 20:57 bag heh 21:05 cait ok, game resumed 21:05 cait everyone still here? 21:05 tcohen yes 21:06 tcohen bag: heh 21:06 bag yes cait 21:06 bag no goals so far 21:07 tcohen they want a goal 21:07 cait glad to see our goalie is on the field 21:08 cait hm is it me or are they playing totally different now? 21:12 tcohen they are not in shock anymore 21:12 cait but not easy to get past neuer 21:16 tcohen they have a goalie too :D 21:17 cait yeah, there he was :) 21:24 tcohen 6-0 21:25 cait oooh 21:25 tcohen unbelivable 21:25 cait not yet here 21:25 cait woohooooo 21:25 tcohen not sure what is brazil doing 21:26 tcohen germans shoot alone 21:26 cait tought they had found their game now... but 21:26 bag wow 21:34 cait german fans singing 21:34 tcohen 7-0 21:34 * cait still thinks tcohen must be joking 21:34 cait who? 21:34 tcohen schurle 21:35 cait wow 21:35 cait second goal 21:35 tcohen % /spelling/ 21:35 gmcharlt touchdown AND the extra point 21:35 tcohen yeah 21:36 * cait has no idea what gmcharlt is talking about :) 21:36 JesseM :) nice 21:36 bag cait: I don't think the fans will let germany get to the bus if this keeps up 21:36 gmcharlt cait: I'm joking that they're actually playing American football 21:36 cait i know, just no idea how that is played :) 21:37 bag I hope this isn't hurting neymars back anymore - poor guy 21:37 cait yeah :( 21:37 tcohen yeah, we deserved to play this match and level it a bit 21:37 tcohen s/we/he/ 21:38 tcohen brazillians are cheering the german team 21:38 bag I wonder if this means that the US was any good - they played the germans closer - but that's probably not the real truth 21:39 cait tcohen: seriously? 21:39 tcohen ooole, ooole 21:39 tcohen f* yeah 21:39 tcohen that's not right 21:39 cait some others have left earlier, i can understand that more 21:41 bag the announcers that we have (or that I am watching) aren't really talking about the game anymore - they are talking about the Brazilian people and hoping they don't protest again 21:42 tcohen wahanui: germany hammered brazil 7-0 in 2014's FIFA World Cup 21:42 wahanui tcohen: huh? 21:43 cait germany? 21:43 wahanui i think germany is very cool 21:43 cait i like you wahanui 21:43 cait talking mostly about the team here and history 21:44 cait hm about 2 more minutes.... 21:45 tcohen they seem to be letting brazil score 21:45 tcohen *trying to* 21:45 tcohen uhhhhhh 21:45 tcohen ozil almost scored 21:46 cait not sure neuer is in on that 21:46 tcohen 7-1 21:46 cait oooh 21:46 bag from JesseM "announcers just said that Brazil is as quite as a library." 21:46 bag booo 21:46 bag booooo 21:46 bag booo 21:46 cait i kind of disagree with that goal 21:47 bag I haven't seen it yet 21:47 bag ah there we go 21:48 cait heh 21:48 cait poor bag 21:48 tcohen done 21:48 cait 7:1 21:48 cait wow 21:50 cait fireworks outside 22:14 eythian hi 22:14 wahanui hello, eythian 22:18 cait tcohen: i will cheer for argentina tomorrow :) 22:19 tcohen cait: thanks 22:26 cait thx for watching soccer with me #koha :) 22:26 cait good night 22:26 wahanui It'll all be over soon...