IRC log for #koha, 2014-07-07

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00:11 dcook Mmm, that "roadtype" thing sounds familiar
00:11 dcook Ish
00:18 eythian @wunder nzwn
00:18 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on July 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
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00:24 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
00:24 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (10:00 AM EST on July 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
00:24 dcook Surely it must be warmer in both places...
00:25 eythian No, it's most likely 11 here.
00:25 eythian Sunny though.
00:25 eythian So it'll probably feel warmer out of the shade.
00:30 dcook Yeah, I'm thinking that must be it
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02:25 dcook Hurray! Comics arrived!
02:27 eythian whatcha get?
02:28 dcook Volumes 2-5 of Locke & Key
02:28 dcook Already have 1 at home, and will have to ask the wife if 6 is on the way..
02:28 cjh :D
02:28 eythian I don't know that one.
02:28 * eythian is not a huge comic person, so that's not too surprising
02:29 dcook I think the authors are NYT best sellers but not sure if the comics are..
02:29 dcook It's not a good one to read before bed. Pretty darned creepy.
02:30 eythian heh
02:30 dcook Read the first volume cover to cover when I was sick in bed a couple years ago though and kept meaning to read more
02:30 dcook I love me some comics :D
02:30 dcook Started reading web comics in high school but stopped at one point in uni (probably because I needed to sleep and work)
02:31 eythian yeah, I have a few, and quite a number in comixology, they're something I'll binge on for a few days, and then put down for a few months though.
02:32 dcook Yeah, I have that tendency as well
02:32 dcook Well, web comics sometimes I'll stay on for for a while when I'm on the bus/eating lunch/etc
02:33 dcook I'm tempted to look at comixology a bit more now...
02:33 cjh eythian: heh I was just mentioning comixology to dcook in priv :)
02:33 eythian it's quite nifty, especially if you're a casual reader.
02:33 dcook cjh++ #good recommendation
02:33 jcamins I met the comixology people. A colleague ran their office space.
02:34 dcook jcamins: Neato!
02:34 cjh I dislike growing piles of comics, and it is much cheaper (especially for back issues)
02:37 eythian <-- cjh
02:56 cjh > Emojli: the emoji-only network.
02:59 cjh really their landing page should be all emoji
03:04 eythian also, twitter's should be 140 characters only.
03:04 eythian and facebooks all about what you had for breakfast.
03:04 eythian Actually, it probably is.
03:07 cjh
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04:19 cait hm no dcook
04:19 eythian hi cait
04:19 cait hi eythian
04:19 eythian dac is dcook
04:19 cait ah
04:19 cait thx :)
04:20 cait dac: about acq search - i am still confused
04:20 cait my results were only different WITH query parser
04:20 dac O_o
04:20 cait while the bug states it should be different without
04:20 dac How do you mean?
04:20 dac What search did you do?
04:20 cait der
04:20 cait it's an article, i only have 101 records :)
04:21 cait so that gives a bit more than 20 results
04:21 dcook Ok
04:21 dcook So when you're using query parser, are you doing the same search in acq and elsewhere?
04:22 dcook What I mean is...
04:22 dcook Did you have the system preference on for both tests?
04:23 dcook cait: Basically, before applying the patch, if you use QueryParser, you should have relevance ranked results. If you're not using QueryParser, they should be ordered by biblionumber.
04:24 cait dcook: ?
04:25 cait i only tested the serach in acquisitions
04:25 dcook Actually, let me look at Kyle's code again..
04:25 * dcook isn't overly fond of the patch
04:26 cait sorry, part of the confusion may be because i just woke up... i need some time in the morning :)
04:27 dcook I know that feelings :p
05:05 thd rangi: Are you there?
05:06 eythian thd: it's unlikely
05:06 eythian he's away for today and tomorrow
05:15 thd eythian, has he been away for a few days recently?
05:15 eythian thd: well, it's been the weekend, so effectively yes.
05:15 thd of course, that :)
05:16 thd eythian, Thank you, I will try back in a couple of days.
05:17 * thd returns to work
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05:25 francesa sorry to anyone using the koha irc site, I temporarily broke it. I've pushed the fix through now so hopefully it should be working again at some point
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06:28 marcelr hi #koha
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06:54 alex_a bonjour
06:54 wahanui salut, alex_a
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07:22 gaetan_B hello
07:22 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B
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07:24 cait good morning #koha
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07:33 cait morning pa
07:33 cait moning paul_p
07:33 paul_p hi cait.
07:37 cait paul_p: now you don'thave to worry about me QAing patches ;)
07:37 cait did you see my email about the CAS server?
07:37 paul_p cait = yes, I saw it. Will fwd: it to matts who probably has an answer (and I don't)
07:38 cait ok
07:39 paul_p cait = about the match: I thought it was about to be 50/50. The piece fall on the "germany" side, but it could have fall on the "france" side. I don't think german team has played better than the french one (the french one didn't play better than the german though)
07:40 cait paul_p: I don't know enough about soccer to really judge who played better - I enjoy watching but don't know much about it :)
07:40 cait paul_p: but i guess you are right
07:43 paul_p cait what really striked me was that no team was playing as if it were about to loose. The french players, 5mn before the end of the match, were playing as if they were *sure* that they'll win at the end. That's what is "fun" with soccer: you cannot be sure before the real end that you're winner (even when you're 5-0 20mn before the end, you can loose. Very unprobable, but possible)
07:49 cait it was nicer to watch then the second game
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07:51 cait good morning ashimema :)
07:52 ashimema good morning cait
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07:54 ashimema random question for any linux nerds out there.. is anyone else having frequent crashes with google chrome on ubuntu gnome edition at all..
07:55 ashimema I've been having crashes with it for month now and they’re getting more frequent
07:55 ashimema s/month/months
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08:02 reiveune hello
08:02 wahanui que tal, reiveune
08:04 cait ashimema: rearely using chrome :(
08:05 gaetan_B oh, you did the qa on my patch, thanks cait :)
08:05 gaetan_B cait++
08:14 cait gaetan_B: you are welcome
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08:31 nlegrand Hey #koha!
08:32 cait hi nlegrand
08:32 nlegrand hey cait :)
08:39 nlegrand In my slow work in progress to port BULAC customisations to follow recent releases, I have open a github :
08:39 nlegrand their is a branch with our dead end fork:[…]-dead_end-3.02.04
08:40 cait optimistic name ;)
08:40 nlegrand rather unreadable I guess, I will try to repatch with the "one functionnality, one branch" way
08:41 nlegrand cait: ha ha, it's just I don't want to try rebases :)
08:41 nlegrand cait: first paul_p warned me about templates changed in 3.4
08:41 cait oh right
08:41 cait you still have htp
08:42 nlegrand cait: second, it's not separated by functionnality, which means it could not be proposed to the community
08:42 cait was it not in a git repo?
08:42 nlegrand what's htp?
08:42 cait the old template thing
08:42 cait html template pro i think
08:42 cait because the bulac featrues seem to be one big commit?
08:42 nlegrand cait: no, it was in a SVN, checkedout from a 3.02.04
08:43 cait hm i wonder ... hsould be possible to somehow convert it to git?
08:44 cait i see lots f interesting looking lines, makes me wonder what's hiding in there :)
08:44 nlegrand the two big stuffs that may be interestings are Stacks, to manage communcationcirculation of books inside stacks the patrons cannot go into, and Callnumber which increments callnumbers for books stored in stacks
08:45 cait both sound very interesting
08:45 cait closed stacks are quite a thing here
08:46 nlegrand cait: ho it is, I'm not sure it's possible to have only the koha directory though (it's in a repository with other devs for the BULAC)
08:47 cait hm don't know aboutthat either, just looks really hard to work from what it is like now
08:49 nlegrand cait: you're interested by history? The commit logs aren't super usefull (references to a Mantis where all the details are) and in french :(
08:49 cait as long as you have the history
08:50 cait :) just worried about the headache this looks likely to be
08:50 nlegrand cait: yep :) I'm almost full time on it, I hope to finish at the end of the year
08:50 nlegrand cait: ^^
08:50 cait :)
08:50 cait but i would be very interested in some specs about how the closed stack features work
08:52 nlegrand Sure, I have some documentation, but it's in french only, would you prefer a translation ?
08:52 cait i would prefer, but it takes time, i can try google translate :)
08:53 nlegrand :)
08:53 paul_p nlegrand = the template system was HTML::Template::Pro, not it's Template::Toolkit. Abbreviated in htp & TT
08:53 paul_p s/not/now/
08:55 cait meeting bbiab
09:10 ashimema ohh.. did I hear someone talking about stacks..
09:10 ashimema it's on my list to develop a 'request from stacks' functionality..
09:10 ashimema though with the current worklaod it's about 2 years off.. would be lovely to see someone else attacking it.
09:23 nlegrand ashimema: I'll be working on porting ours for a koha master branch with a decent patch as soon as possible :) (I hope I'll have something showable in august)
09:41 ashimema That's awesome nlegrand.. I'll happily test/qa it for you
09:53 nlegrand :D
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11:04 cait nlegrand: count me in for qa then :)
11:04 cait or for sign off... if i beat ashimema to it :)
11:05 nlegrand \o/ ho now I really have to work :)
11:05 cait yes, go and work on stacks!
11:05 cait :)
11:05 nlegrand \o/
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11:22 mle hey : )
11:23 mle is the opac/staff password in patrons the same as the intranet login? how to i reset the staff/admin intranet passwords?
11:31 cait hi mle :)
11:31 cait mle: patron accutns are used for staff access and opac - same login - the only difference is the permissions
11:31 cait normal users don't have the permissions to access staff
11:31 cait you can either tell them to reset their passwords in the opac
11:32 cait or if the password was forgotten a superlibrarian user can reset them for other staff members
11:32 cait like you do for patrons - patron account - toolbar - change password
11:32 cait if you are using the database user for staff login... it's different, but you shouldn't be doing that
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11:51 francharb Good morning
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12:08 bgkriegel morning
12:24 mle thank you cait : )
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12:29 cait you are welcome mle :)
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12:38 bgkriegel hi cait tcohen :)
12:38 tcohen morning #koha
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12:49 jcamins @wunder houston, tx
12:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in SE-Svc-Cntr, Houston, Texas is 26.3°C (7:49 AM CDT on July 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
12:49 jcamins @wunder 11375
12:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village Juniper Valley Park, Queens, New York is 25.6°C (8:49 AM EDT on July 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
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12:52 mle cait: thank you so much. It was the fact that it was not default for the new patron of type 'staff' to have access to the librarian interface that threw me.
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12:54 mle I still need to unpick which particular permission does that. just using superlibrarian now.
12:56 cait catalog is the minimum i think, the rest is optional
12:57 paul_p hi tcohen. No France<>Argentina for final...
12:59 Joubu tcohen: could you please have a look at the last patch on bug 11518?
12:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add new method to Koha::Schema::Result::Item that will always return the correct itemtype
13:02 tcohen Joubu: a followup?
13:02 wahanui rumour has it a followup is a patch that applies after the other one with the differences
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13:04 Joubu tcohen: a proposition, for discussion
13:04 lducos hellà
13:04 lducos hello
13:04 wahanui hi, lducos
13:04 lducos is sick ?
13:04 lducos fatal: read error:
13:05 cait hm looks like it, maybe just too many requests
13:05 cait ah works for me , just slow
13:06 lducos ok works for me now
13:06 lducos works but slow
13:08 Joubu tcohen: do you plan to regenerate the dbic schema regularly?
13:08 Joubu tcohen: the current one has at least 2 unexistent tables
13:08 Joubu nonexistent*
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13:12 lducos re
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13:20 Joubu khall: around?
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13:20 khall yep!
13:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12499: adding units tests for C4::Letters <[…]a36895a125a09b7c8> / Bug 12151: Remove uses of smartmatch operator from Koha/Solr/ <[…]3aa9c229a5010d294> / Bug 12151: Remove use of smartmatch operator in tools/ <http://git.koha-com
13:21 Joubu khall: hi! Can I get your opinion on my last patch on bug 11518 please?
13:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add new method to Koha::Schema::Result::Item that will always return the correct itemtype
13:22 khall Joubu: will do!
13:25 khall Joubu: have you tested your patch? I added the biblioitem relationship manually because our db schema does not match what dbic expects. Instead of saying $biblio->biblioitem(), you had to write $biblio->biblioitemnumber() to get the biblioitem, which I found needlessly confusing.
13:27 Joubu khall: I tested that your unit tests pass
13:31 Joubu khall: I understood your problem, but I'm under the impression that my patch fixes that without adding new constraints
13:34 khall hmm, I really can't say if one method is better than the other. Yours is more clear and straightforward, but mine seems like it is more in line with how to use dbic perhaps. I may or may not create other needed relationships automatically.
13:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #46: FAILURE in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_U14/46/
13:34 khall I like that your version is simpler though. I think we need to get other dbic people to weigh in. gmcharlt would be a good person to ask.
13:35 bgkriegel Question: Does anyone know/remember which is the use of 'seealso' field in frameworks? (see Bug 6007)
13:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6007 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Checking 'Display only used Tags/Subfields' on MARC framework page results in unusable output
13:37 Joubu khall: ok thanks, I hope he will involve in the discussion :)
13:42 tcohen does anyone have root access to ?
13:42 tcohen it seems to have banned soe jenkins ondes
13:42 tcohen nodes
13:42 tcohen *somehow*
13:43 Joubu tcohen: I think rangi has it
13:43 tcohen f*ng timezones
13:45 bgkriegel tchohen: perhaps gmcharlt also
13:46 tcohen bgkriegel: its still 6:46 in Seattle
13:51 bgkriegel yep, but will be awake earlier
13:51 cait tcohen: so true
13:56 bgkriegel no git :(
13:56 cait hm it worked for me a moment ago, just slow
13:56 cait maybe someone is downloading dumps again
13:57 cait i think one time it was down because lots of people git cloned at the same time
14:00 bgkriegel perhaps we need to remove git option from install instructions, and move that to README.developers
14:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12495 - Include streetnumber in hold alert address <[…]acb1220f8a108a08f> / Bug 12511 - Novelist Select not using https in bootstrap <[…]9c94e1fd8c681ea68> / Bug 12062: Follow up - adds missing ) <[…]oha.git;a=commitd
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14:22 mtompset @later tell cait Oops. Didn't directly answer question re 8462. No, because I don't know if I am right or wrong, I would leave it for the testers to confirm.
14:22 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
14:24 cait hm now i missed him
14:24 cait @later tell mtompset I was not sure I understood what you wanted to be tested - and it's already signed off
14:24 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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14:44 mle I am wondering whether there is facility for users to checkout from their opac login, assuming that they have been given the correct permission in admin (if so what permissions would they be?)
14:47 cait mle: there is web based self check
14:47 cait manual?
14:47 wahanui it has been said that manual is at
14:48 cait http://manual.koha-community.o[…]selfcheckout.html
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14:59 cait bye :)
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15:20 smrt hi i was just wondering when i do an update (ex: 3.16.0 to 3.16.1) does it replace all the files on the local machine or just the ones that are changed?
15:22 tcohen all of them
15:22 tcohen well, it depends
15:23 smrt oh ok, so what does it depend on?
15:23 francharb Hi all!
15:25 francharb Quick question : I have an installation where Holds queue doesnt display holds on checked out or not for loan items. Is it a correct behaviour?
15:26 francharb (its on koha 3.14.7)
15:27 jcamins smrt: why do you ask?
15:30 francharb I checked the code, I answered my qestin
15:30 francharb :)
15:32 smrt there are a couple of things ive been changing in the perl code for my library and i just want to make sure that when i upgrade those changes will still be there. and on an unrelated notehow do you reply to specific people in IRC?
15:33 jcamins smrt: they will *NOT* be there.
15:33 jcamins If you made changes to your production code, they will be overwritten.
15:33 jcamins That's why changing production code directly is such a hugely bad idea.
15:33 jcamins Just put a person's nick at the beginning of the line followed by a colon.
15:36 smrt jcamins: yeah. i figured that was the case. i just can't seem to think of a way around my problem other than doing that. there is a bug in the bugzilla thing that looks like its related but it hasn't gone through yet, but i kinda need a workaround now (we just went into production). i guess i'll just have to keep track of it.
15:37 jcamins smrt: make your change in a version-controlled environment, test thoroughly, then build packages with your changes and use those packages in production.
15:40 smrt jcamins: I think I'm kind of doing that. we have a local machine that we do all our testing on, and then if it works there we go to the production server and make the changes there. I still need to learn how to make our own packages though. Any tutorials you can point me to? or is it a little too complicated than just reading a simple tutorial online?
15:41 jcamins packages?
15:41 wahanui it has been said that packages is at
15:41 jcamins There should be a link to the instructions for building packages there.
15:43 jcamins It's not all that simple, unfortunately.
15:43 smrt jcamins: oh i guess i should mention that we installed koha on a CentOS server (our server admins don't really like debian/ubuntu) from source. would that tutorial work for us?
15:43 jcamins No.
15:44 jcamins What you should be doing is building a tar ball using "git archive" and then installing from that.
15:47 tcohen smrt, jcamins: we have nice instructions here[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way
15:48 jcamins tcohen: yeah, but they won't help on CentOS.
15:48 tcohen oh :-D
15:48 smrt tcohen, jcamins: hah yeah i was about to ask
15:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12429 [OPAC] patron seeing fines codes <[…]0176ca940d6a0d0c1> / Bug 12429 [staff client] patron seeing fines codes <[…]dd204a966bdcb3688> / Bug 11650: multiplicated authorities after <
15:50 smrt tcohen, jcamins: so is git something that anyone can learn? ive just googled git tutorials, should those be enough? or am i getting way way out of my league?
15:50 tcohen smrt:
15:51 smrt tcohen, jcamins: In case you haven't already noticed i'm not a programmer, just a library tech with decent google skills
15:54 tcohen smrt: no problem!
15:55 reiveune bye
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15:56 smrt tcohen, jcamins, wahanui: Well I guess i have some reading to do, thanks for all your help
15:57 tcohen u r welcome
15:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #48: FAILURE in 1 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_U14/48/
15:59 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 11650: multiplicated authorities after
15:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 12429 [staff client] patron seeing fines codes
15:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 12429 [OPAC] patron seeing fines codes
15:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11650 normal, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , multiplicated authorities after
15:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12429 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron seeing fines codes
16:00 smrt tcohen, jacamins, wahanui: Oh sorry one more question, if i add completely new files to the koha folders will those get deleted with the updates?
16:00 jcamins Probably not, but assume they will be.
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16:02 smrt jcamins: ok thanks
16:03 bag good morning
16:08 tcohen morning bag
16:08 bag morning tcohen
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16:36 mle @later tell cait thank you again
16:36 huginn mle: The operation succeeded.
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17:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 9245 Fixes visual bux with fines tab not highlighting <[…]c733a8a21211ab205> / Bug 11030 - Add 359, 947 and 969 fields in french unimarc_complete framework - followup <[…]a44bd27a2159892b4> / Bug 11030 : add fields 947,969,359 in unimarc_complete french frame
17:56 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "script for updating DBIC class files" (8 lines) at
17:57 gmcharlt tcohen: ^^
17:57 tcohen awesome
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18:00 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:02 bgkriegel hi mtompset
18:14 gaetan_B bye
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19:01 * cait waves
19:03 tcohen hi cait
19:03 cait buenas tardes (?)
19:04 cait i guess it's somewhat correct as it's later here than where you are... hopfully
19:06 tcohen ah, we call "tarde" from 16 to 19/20 I guess
19:06 cait hm.... 21 here... so i missed it :)
19:06 cait what's your time?
19:07 mtompset got your message, cait.
19:07 mtompset Looks like I'll just have to test my scenario, since
19:07 mtompset I have a hard time describing it.
19:07 cait my offer: write up a stpe for step for the dumb (like me tonight after a long day) and i will test it :)
19:07 cait aah
19:07 cait that works for me too :)
19:08 mtompset once I do it, then it will get written, because then it will be more concrete in my mind.
19:20 cait bug 11703
19:20 wahanui rumour has it bug 11703 is waiting for an answer, I started QA on it :)
19:20 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
19:23 tcohen what about it cait
19:23 cait nothing, just looking it up :)
19:38 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice day/night
19:41 mtompset Bye, tcohen. :)
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22:26 eythian hi
22:26 wahanui bonjour, eythian
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