IRC log for #koha, 2014-04-04

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00:27 mtompset dcook, eythian: The remainder of the jokes went unmentioned. :P
00:31 mtompset @seen wizzyrea
00:31 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 hours and 12 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> and we'd all have a righteous chuckle.
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01:33 mtompset @later tell wizzyrea What are we doing about bug 12031?
01:33 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
01:50 wizzyrea I'm not sure you can leave it for now.
01:52 wizzyrea it's not going to be a rewrite of the scheduler, that I do know.
01:53 mtompset I don't expect it to be. :)
01:53 mtompset I just want something I can test without having to roll my own distribution. :)
01:54 mtompset Sadly, the FindBin logic idea I had fails horribly, because the script isn't in tools.
01:54 wizzyrea yep.
01:54 wizzyrea and it shouldn't be
01:55 mtompset No, because it isn't suppose to be web accessible.
01:55 mtompset So you're right.
01:55 mtompset Hmmm...
01:56 wizzyrea it's ok, I've got an idea on how to fix it
01:56 wizzyrea so don't worry about it for now.
01:56 mtompset SCRIPT_DIR!
02:00 eythian if that's an environment variable, the answer is no.
02:00 mtompset in the install log file.
02:00 mtompset is there a way to file the install log file?
02:01 eythian I'm not sure patching scripts from the installer is the ideal thing to do.
02:01 mtompset probably not.
02:04 mtompset do we have a syspref that marks what type of install this is?
02:05 eythian nope
02:05 eythian also, that's not appropriate for sysprefs because it's not a preference, it's a fact.
02:06 mtompset or configuration item in koha-conf.xml?
02:06 eythian most likely that
02:07 mtompset Ah there is a configuration item pointing to the install log. ;)
02:07 mtompset Ugly indirection, but it would work.
02:11 wizzyrea no, I don't like that and I won't do it that way.
02:12 dcook mtompset: I think wizzyrea has it well in hand. Perhaps find another bug to test for now?
02:12 mtompset Just like thinking about the problem. :)
02:12 eythian really the only other way I'd probably handle it would be a package-specific patch, but we can't do that right now as Koha is build as debian native.
02:13 eythian *built
02:13 eythian (though I'd be OK with changing that if needed.)
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04:32 wajasu Can one cosine a loan?
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05:03 wajasu run free today
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06:09 * magnuse waves
06:09 alex_a bonjour
06:10 kivilahtio bonjour
06:10 wahanui hola, kivilahtio
06:10 kivilahtio hyvää huomenta wahanui
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06:38 * cait waves
06:38 cait bbiab
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui kai ora, reiveune
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07:12 nlegrand Bonjour !
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07:14 cait good morning #koha
07:22 magnuse hiya nlegrand and cait
07:22 magnuse @wunder boo
07:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on April 04, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:26 nlegrand magnuse, cait o/
07:26 cait hi nlegrand :)
07:28 nc-th Hi everyone. Is it right that if I would like to display tag 245 subfield b in OPAC, the only way is to modify xslt files > MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl / MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl?
07:28 cait hm $b should show
07:28 cait by default - what are you looking at?
07:28 dcook There is a mapping to make that work I believe..
07:29 dcook When not using XSLTs
07:29 cait dcook: i think it shows by default in xslt, not sure about normal
07:29 dcook /cgi-bin/koha/admin/
07:30 nc-th in normal view, it doesn't show $b
07:31 cait you can take a look at the keyword mappings under administration or switch to xslt
07:35 magnuse looking at the xslt, it looks like $b should show as default
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07:41 gaetan_B hello
07:41 wahanui hola, gaetan_B
07:46 nc-th in my set up, MARC / ISBD showing $b but not the normal view. Thank you for all suggestions. I am checking out keyword mappings. I am new to Koha, many things to learn.
07:46 cait nc-th: i think it's a confusion of terminology
07:46 cait try activating the xslt views if they are not currently - search for system preferences with 'xslt'
07:50 nc-th after activating xslt to default, it displays now! but not in the order that I would like it to be.. so I have to modify the xslt files?
07:54 magnuse nc-th: probably. which order would you prefer?
07:54 cait yes,... then you'd have to modify, or add your own xslt
07:55 cait but the order is according to the marc standard
07:55 magnuse bug 11762 will affect the order of subfields from 245. it will be in 3.16
07:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11762 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Pushed to Master , Sequence of MARC21 245 subfields different on XSLT result list and detail page
08:06 nc-th What I like is a little bit different from the default one > Title - Remainder of the title - Publisher - Description - ISBN - Subjects - Year
08:07 cait you'd have to do your own set of xslt files then
08:07 cait there is also a pref to link to your own file
08:08 magnuse yeah, don't just edit the standard xslt files, they will be overwritten when you upgrade :-)
08:09 nc-th Ok! thanks a lot for your kind suggestions! I really appreciate your help.
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09:12 atheia 'lo!
09:14 cait hi atheia :)
09:21 magnuse hiya atheia
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11:29 cait atheia++
11:31 kivilahtio IS there any way to know when the Item has arrived to the library?
11:31 atheia :-) thanks — 't was a bit of work.
11:31 atheia Just hope the ++ sticks even after it's gone through qa ;-)
11:31 kivilahtio I am not talking about the acquisitions date but the date the acquisition has been received
11:31 cait kivilahtio: dateaccessioned? or the return date?
11:32 cait creating items on order then?
11:32 kivilahtio I need to trigger a status on items which have been in our library for 3 months
11:32 kivilahtio which have been available for 3 months, not in 'in acquisitions'-state
11:32 cait hm there is a feature from Joubu about something liek that in the qa queue
11:32 cait i think
11:32 cait you might want to take a look there
11:32 kivilahtio okey
11:32 kivilahtio I will
11:32 cait i think you could probably figure it out using a report
11:33 kivilahtio hmm yeah
11:33 cait looking for the received dates and finding the items they belong to
11:33 kivilahtio the reports library
11:33 wahanui the reports library is found at[…]L_Reports_Library
11:33 kivilahtio good wahanui!
11:33 cait i think some libraries update the dateaccessioned when receiving the item
11:34 kivilahtio wow
11:34 kivilahtio I wonder what does dateaccessioned mean
11:34 kivilahtio well I'll take a look
11:34 kivilahtio thanks!
11:36 kivilahtio hey that column is documented!!
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11:38 cait atheia: ah maybe one thing that might be useful for you - there is a syntax you can use for sponsored by information that will be picked up by the release notes script
11:40 cait atheia: seems we hid that well:[…]i/SubmitingAPatch
11:40 cait ah and here:[…]i/Commit_messages
11:45 atheia Ah, very useful, thanks cait.
11:46 atheia Is it worth me fixing that now? My instinct would be to wait and see whether qa issues come up…
11:46 cait i think not super urgent
11:47 cait it's big, so might need a follow up and can fix then
11:47 atheia indeed.
11:48 magnuse yeah atheia++
11:49 atheia *blush*
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12:02 sophie_m kivilahtio: Bug 11023
12:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items
12:09 kivilahtio sophie_m: This looks quite good!
12:10 sophie_m :-)
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12:11 kivilahtio Joubu: If you are not enjoying your weekend by now, could you tell me why bug 11023 has a column without an index?
12:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items
12:12 Joubu kivilahtio: it could be a good idea to add an index
12:12 kivilahtio Joubu: well if you paln to make searches based on it :)
12:13 kivilahtio Joubu: Do you store a timestamp there? or how do you define which item is newer than the other?
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12:14 Joubu kivilahtio: it is based on dateaccessioned I think
12:15 kivilahtio Joubu: items.dateaccessioned is labeled as the "Date Acquired" in the staff client, but that column is used elsewhere as well. Not sure if that column value is persistent
12:15 kivilahtio it might be changed when external sources harvest our data?
12:15 kivilahtio not sure, but it looks very fishy.
12:16 Joubu kivilahtio: did you read the commit msg ? :)
12:16 kivilahtio wow
12:16 kivilahtio which one :)
12:16 Joubu kivilahtio: bug 11023 comment 1
12:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items
12:17 kivilahtio Some libraries would like to manage a "new" status for items.
12:17 Joubu kivilahtio: a cronjob updates the value
12:17 kivilahtio This status should be removed depending on some conditions.
12:17 Joubu kivilahtio: this is the Description, not the first comment :)
12:17 kivilahtio so true
12:18 cait kivilahtio: it's not changed
12:18 kivilahtio cait: thanks for the confirmation
12:18 cait kivilahtio: dateaccessioned in the database won't be changed by external, it's not a last changed date but something you add to the item in cataloguing
12:18 kivilahtio ok
12:18 cait the only quesiton is when you craete them on order, if you can not set a date then or update it on receive later to be more accurate
12:19 kivilahtio yeah, we already talked about our policies and agreed that we can update the dateaccessioned/Date acquired when the item is barcoded
12:19 * cait hopes to make some sense
12:19 cait it's a werid friday
12:19 kivilahtio cait: you are making perfect sensse
12:20 kivilahtio idneed
12:20 kivilahtio what I need to do is limit the loan period of new items to 14 days
12:20 kivilahtio and some of those items have a loan period of 7 days
12:21 kivilahtio I am using ccode to dostinguis them and default to the itemtype
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12:45 kivilahtio Joubu: Should the new-column be visible in the
12:47 Joubu kivilahtio: To display it, you must link the db field with a marc field in the ACQ framework
12:49 kivilahtio Joubu: So should the new-status be automatically added when a item is added?
12:50 kivilahtio Joubu: Or does it work only via the acquisitions module?
12:50 kivilahtio Joubu: I tested via
12:53 Joubu kivilahtio: the dateaccessioned value is set on receiving.
12:53 kivilahtio Joubu: the dateaccesioned value is set yes, but what is added in the new-column? I thought stuff is removed from there?
12:53 Joubu and it was not "ACQ" framework
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12:54 kivilahtio isn'tthe dateaccessioned value set by default?
12:54 kivilahtio regardless if you specify a date there
12:54 Joubu hum?
12:55 kivilahtio your cronjob works
12:55 kivilahtio which is quite cool!
12:56 Joubu kivilahtio: looking at the code,dateaccessioned is only set in acqui/ So I suppose the date is set to NULL before receiving the item
12:56 cait hm
12:56 Joubu no? :)
12:56 cait let me check something
12:56 cait it's been forever since i looked at that more closely
12:56 kivilahtio but what is added to the new-column?
12:56 kivilahtio documentation says cronjob only removes the NEW status
12:57 kivilahtio but the cronjob does a lot of stuff
12:57 ashimema are many people using multi-tenancy with the packages?
12:57 kivilahtio like a swiss army stuff
12:57 Joubu kivilahtio: yes, you can do a lot of things with it
12:57 cait i thought it was always set
12:57 cait because we don't set it for items we import i think, and i have never seen it empty
12:58 cait ashimema: multi-tenancy?
12:58 ashimema i.e running multiple koha's on the one system.
12:58 cait hm i thnk at least some do
12:58 ashimema every time you run 'koha-create' you bringing up a new 'tenant' on the systm
12:59 ashimema I'm wondering how some of the finer details work..
12:59 cait hm maybe talk to eythian? quite sure bywater does - and the free koha magnuse does i think
12:59 ashimema like configuring multiple rDNS entries to enable sensible mail and stuff.
12:59 ashimema I don't believe bywater does.. not yet at least..
12:59 cait yeah it hink you are right
13:00 ashimema I'm sure catalyst does..
13:00 cait yeah quite sure there too
13:00 ashimema ooh.. eythian appears to be online..
13:00 ashimema bet he's not actually here though ;)
13:00 cait nz weekend already started
13:00 ashimema well.. he'd be the right person to ask.. I just don't fancy my chances of catching him any time soon ;)
13:00 ashimema maybe I'll go bakc to email ;)
13:01 cait Joubu: it looks like there is also something about dateaccessioned in
13:02 cait AddItem seems to set it when you enter nothing
13:02 kivilahtio Joubu: could you please write a short description to the bug about what the does? I am confused, it is stated it is just a field, then it is a flag, but it is instantiated in CREATE TABLE as a VARCHAR(32)?
13:03 cait[…]ff09ee5149c#l2093
13:03 cait if i interpret it correctly
13:03 kivilahtio The cronjob empties the new-column
13:04 kivilahtio dateaccessioned, case closd :)
13:04 Joubu cait: yep indeed
13:04 Joubu kivilahtio: you can do what you want with this field
13:05 Joubu you can use it as a boolean or a string if you want
13:05 kivilahtio Joubu: well I saw that coming :) Well should it be called a notes-column?
13:05 kivilahtio Joubu: or something dexcriptive. Also a comment about what the column is supposed to do would be appreciated, like -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here
13:06 kivilahtio or system_notes?
13:07 Joubu I added it to manage a "new" status, so "new" looks like a good name
13:07 kivilahtio Joubu: but if nothing explicitly set any values there?
13:08 kivilahtio Joubu, maybe change the new-column from VARCHAR to BOOLEAN?
13:08 kivilahtio then it would make sense to have it indicate a status
13:09 Joubu it is too restrictive
13:09 kivilahtio Joubu: well what would you like to put there?
13:09 Joubu if can use it as boolean if it is a varchar
13:09 Joubu we (at BibLibre) use it as a boolean :)
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13:10 Joubu but maybe someone else would like to use it as a multivalued field
13:11 kivilahtio Joubu: I understand this, but the name, new...
13:11 * wajasu i'm adding newer-column for something else :|
13:12 * wajasu or newest later.
13:13 kivilahtio Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here
13:14 kivilahtio Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here. This field is meant for local modifications only and should not be used in features intended for master
13:17 kivilahtio Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here. This field is meant for local modifications only and should not be used in features intended for master
13:17 kivilahtio This would make me happy :)
13:18 wajasu i think kivilahtio wants to be specific as to the function of the field, so that it doesn't get overloaded/multipurposed later.  or else we end up with encoded schemas in a field. hard to write code to query against.
13:18 wajasu system_note seems to be such a local multipurpose field.
13:18 kivilahtio But I can see the whole BibLibre codebase hanging on the new-column :)
13:18 kivilahtio wajasu: ++
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13:20 cait not sure what this is about, but i think system-note could be confusing
13:20 cait too general
13:20 kivilahtio cait: well the field is general
13:20 * cait goes back to reading marc documentation
13:21 kivilahtio cait: it could be a boolean or a flag or a hash
13:21 cait but it looks like it has a proposed use?
13:21 cait but i should realyl read the bug description first
13:21 kivilahtio well the field value should be set to 1  eg ( == 1)
13:22 kivilahtio well anyway
13:22 kivilahtio I'll write my test review
13:22 kivilahtio thanks folk!
13:24 wajasu do we have dateaccessioned as field somewhere?  can new status  me a derived field,   where new is defined as greater than a date syspref,  or is it a status that must be flipped on/off manually.
13:24 kivilahtio new can be whatever you want :)
13:25 kivilahtio new is not instantiated anywhere in bug 11023
13:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items
13:25 cait wajasu: it's in items
13:26 kivilahtio wajasu: dateaccessioned is "Date acquired" in
13:26 wajasu my librarian wants the home page to show results from a configurable report.  they want "new" items.   thats why i was interested.
13:27 kivilahtio wajasu: There is a ready script for that in Koha
13:27 kivilahtio there are some scripts intended to display new items
13:27 wajasu i knew someone would know that.  thanks.
13:27 kivilahtio don't know where
13:27 * wajasu goes back to coding zebra facets.
13:27 kivilahtio I might be worng but I feel strongly that I saw it somewhere
13:32 cait kivilahtio: there are a few documented things out there, nothing inside koha
13:32 cait most use one of the opac html prefs
13:32 cait you coudl use a JSON report... and then show that i think
13:33 wajasu that helps.
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13:56 talljoy good morning
14:06 atheia Good morning to you too - though it's late afternoon here…
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14:33 phasefx what function should I use to encrypt a password directly on the borrowers table?
14:34 phasefx for 3.14
14:49 rhcl @wunder 64507
14:49 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 3.4°C (9:49 AM CDT on April 04, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
14:53 phasefx alright, looks like base64 MD5 re: password
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15:06 reiveune bye
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15:12 phasefx jfyi, I tried using the result from perl -MDigest::MD5 -e 'use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_base64); print md5_base64("password here") . "\n";' based on what I saw in, but I seem to be fumble fingering it or doing something else wrong :)
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15:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12034: standardize alerts referring to lists and list items <[…]c981bf3065670ba1a>
15:42 talljoy @seen jcamins
15:42 huginn talljoy: jcamins was last seen in #koha 1 day, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <jcamins> @later tell ashimena QueryParser uses the QueryParser configuration file. It is orthogonal to Zebra.
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15:48 dbs phasefx: Koha/ says use Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt qw(bcrypt en_base64)
15:49 phasefx dbs++
15:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10818: improve display and translatability of sysprefs OAI-PMH:ConfFile's description <[…]c9ddfd02d524c84ad>
16:00 phasefx for reference: perl -e 'use lib "/usr/share/koha/lib/"; use Koha::AuthUtils; print Koha::AuthUtils::hash_password("password here") . "\n";'
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16:10 magnuse the password algorithm was changed not too long ago
16:13 * magnuse goes back to making pizza
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16:21 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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16:32 cait bye all :)
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16:53 gaetan_B bye!
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17:19 drojf hi #koha
17:42 druthb drojf!
17:42 * druthb waves.
17:42 drojf druthb!
17:42 drojf :)
17:45 cait drojf, druthb
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18:01 druthb cait!
18:01 cait :)
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18:12 mtompset Question... let's say I have a line of code that I want to see the history for, how would I do that?
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18:33 cait git blame -L line, line is normally what i do
18:41 cait mtompset: i think i don't agree with the username change
18:41 cait the field takes cardnumber or username
18:41 cait login seems better to me
18:42 mtompset Valid point.
18:42 mtompset Though, I'm frequently confused by log in interfaces where I don't know what it is expecting for input.
18:42 mtompset Perhaps 'Username / Cardnumber'?
18:43 mtompset Or a tool tip on the text box?
18:43 cait not sure it might differe from library to library
18:43 cait i thought login was neutral
18:43 mtompset It is neutral. Neutral to the point of not knowing.
18:44 mtompset some sites expect an email address.
18:44 mtompset some sites expect me to remember a number.
18:44 cait but youget told by your library
18:44 cait and with the new text... libraries could put a note there
18:44 cait but still not change the label in a translatable way
18:44 mtompset So, you think the Staff client should be changed to match then?
18:44 cait not sure
18:44 cait ah meh
18:44 mtompset Because it says 'Username'.
18:44 cait maybe we should discuss that with another native speaker
18:45 cait no idea
18:45 cait i might be just too tired to think :)
18:45 mtompset Yes, but to still do an amazing job of thinking half-awake and tired. :)
18:45 mtompset ^but you^
18:46 mtompset Silly typos.
18:46 cait tired too? :)
18:46 mtompset I have a serious head cold.
18:46 mtompset My sinuses are clogged.
18:47 cait ew
18:47 cait stay away from me
18:47 cait i am off work for 2 weeks now
18:47 cait i don't want to get that
18:47 mtompset Thankfully, we haven't mastered transporter technology.
18:47 mtompset There's no way for you to catch it here. :)
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18:48 mtompset Greetings, rhcl.
18:48 rhcl hi mtompset
18:49 mtompset git blame -L # {file} only tells me the last change. I want a history of changes of that line.
18:49 mtompset I did find a --since parameter which kind of helped me walk back.
18:51 cait yeah there are ways
18:55 mtompset Oh, I was pleased to be talking with my Filipino librarian colleague yesterday/today, and he was telling me that he was teaching his library interns how to set up Koha. :)
18:57 cait :)
18:58 mtompset YAY! Results of me training him are paying off. :)
19:11 rhcl I played this video for my class last night...
19:11 rhcl
19:13 rhcl Karam++
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