Time Nick Message 19:13 rhcl Karam++ 19:11 rhcl http://youtu.be/mSb5Dxi5jSA 19:11 rhcl I played this video for my class last night... 18:58 mtompset YAY! Results of me training him are paying off. :) 18:57 cait :) 18:55 mtompset Oh, I was pleased to be talking with my Filipino librarian colleague yesterday/today, and he was telling me that he was teaching his library interns how to set up Koha. :) 18:51 cait yeah there are ways 18:49 mtompset I did find a --since parameter which kind of helped me walk back. 18:49 mtompset git blame -L # {file} only tells me the last change. I want a history of changes of that line. 18:48 rhcl hi mtompset 18:48 mtompset Greetings, rhcl. 18:47 mtompset There's no way for you to catch it here. :) 18:47 mtompset Thankfully, we haven't mastered transporter technology. 18:47 cait i don't want to get that 18:47 cait i am off work for 2 weeks now 18:47 cait stay away from me 18:47 cait ew 18:46 mtompset My sinuses are clogged. 18:46 mtompset I have a serious head cold. 18:46 cait tired too? :) 18:46 mtompset Silly typos. 18:45 mtompset ^but you^ 18:45 mtompset Yes, but to still do an amazing job of thinking half-awake and tired. :) 18:45 cait i might be just too tired to think :) 18:45 cait no idea 18:44 cait maybe we should discuss that with another native speaker 18:44 mtompset Because it says 'Username'. 18:44 cait ah meh 18:44 cait not sure 18:44 mtompset So, you think the Staff client should be changed to match then? 18:44 cait but still not change the label in a translatable way 18:44 cait and with the new text... libraries could put a note there 18:44 cait but youget told by your library 18:44 mtompset some sites expect me to remember a number. 18:44 mtompset some sites expect an email address. 18:43 mtompset It is neutral. Neutral to the point of not knowing. 18:43 cait i thought login was neutral 18:43 cait not sure it might differe from library to library 18:43 mtompset Or a tool tip on the text box? 18:42 mtompset Perhaps 'Username / Cardnumber'? 18:42 mtompset Though, I'm frequently confused by log in interfaces where I don't know what it is expecting for input. 18:42 mtompset Valid point. 18:41 cait login seems better to me 18:41 cait the field takes cardnumber or username 18:41 cait mtompset: i think i don't agree with the username change 18:33 cait git blame -L line, line is normally what i do 18:12 mtompset Question... let's say I have a line of code that I want to see the history for, how would I do that? 18:01 cait :) 18:01 druthb cait! 17:45 cait drojf, druthb 17:42 drojf :) 17:42 drojf druthb! 17:42 * druthb waves. 17:42 druthb drojf! 17:19 drojf hi #koha 16:53 gaetan_B bye! 16:32 cait bye all :) 16:21 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:13 * magnuse goes back to making pizza 16:10 magnuse the password algorithm was changed not too long ago 16:00 phasefx for reference: perl -e 'use lib "/usr/share/koha/lib/"; use Koha::AuthUtils; print Koha::AuthUtils::hash_password("password here") . "\n";' 15:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10818: improve display and translatability of sysprefs OAI-PMH:ConfFile's description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15b4f9bbe990224067aea8ac9ddfd02d524c84ad> 15:49 phasefx dbs++ 15:48 dbs phasefx: Koha/AuthUtils.pm says use Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt qw(bcrypt en_base64) 15:42 huginn talljoy: jcamins was last seen in #koha 1 day, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <jcamins> @later tell ashimena QueryParser uses the QueryParser configuration file. It is orthogonal to Zebra. 15:42 talljoy @seen jcamins 15:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12034: standardize alerts referring to lists and list items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f7b89633ed9e5be611a4d6c981bf3065670ba1a> 15:12 phasefx jfyi, I tried using the result from perl -MDigest::MD5 -e 'use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_base64); print md5_base64("password here") . "\n";' based on what I saw in opac-passwd.pl, but I seem to be fumble fingering it or doing something else wrong :) 15:06 reiveune bye 14:53 phasefx alright, looks like base64 MD5 re: password 14:49 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 3.4°C (9:49 AM CDT on April 04, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 14:49 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:34 phasefx for 3.14 14:33 phasefx what function should I use to encrypt a password directly on the borrowers table? 14:06 atheia Good morning to you too - though it's late afternoon here… 13:56 talljoy good morning 13:33 wajasu that helps. 13:32 cait you coudl use a JSON report... and then show that i think 13:32 cait most use one of the opac html prefs 13:32 cait kivilahtio: there are a few documented things out there, nothing inside koha 13:27 kivilahtio I might be worng but I feel strongly that I saw it somewhere 13:27 * wajasu goes back to coding zebra facets. 13:27 kivilahtio don't know where 13:27 wajasu i knew someone would know that. thanks. 13:27 kivilahtio there are some scripts intended to display new items 13:27 kivilahtio wajasu: There is a ready script for that in Koha 13:26 wajasu my librarian wants the home page to show results from a configurable report. they want "new" items. thats why i was interested. 13:26 kivilahtio wajasu: dateaccessioned is "Date acquired" in additem.pl 13:25 cait wajasu: it's in items 13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items 13:25 kivilahtio new is not instantiated anywhere in bug 11023 13:24 kivilahtio new can be whatever you want :) 13:24 wajasu do we have dateaccessioned as field somewhere? can new status me a derived field, where new is defined as greater than a date syspref, or is it a status that must be flipped on/off manually. 13:22 kivilahtio thanks folk! 13:22 kivilahtio I'll write my test review 13:22 kivilahtio well anyway 13:21 kivilahtio well the field value should be set to 1 eg (items.new == 1) 13:21 cait but i should realyl read the bug description first 13:21 cait but it looks like it has a proposed use? 13:21 kivilahtio cait: it could be a boolean or a flag or a hash 13:20 * cait goes back to reading marc documentation 13:20 kivilahtio cait: well the field is general 13:20 cait too general 13:20 cait not sure what this is about, but i think system-note could be confusing 13:18 kivilahtio wajasu: ++ 13:18 kivilahtio But I can see the whole BibLibre codebase hanging on the new-column :) 13:18 wajasu system_note seems to be such a local multipurpose field. 13:18 wajasu i think kivilahtio wants to be specific as to the function of the field, so that it doesn't get overloaded/multipurposed later. or else we end up with encoded schemas in a field. hard to write code to query against. 13:17 kivilahtio This would make me happy :) 13:17 kivilahtio Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here. This field is meant for local modifications only and should not be used in features intended for master 13:14 kivilahtio Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here. This field is meant for local modifications only and should not be used in features intended for master 13:13 kivilahtio Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here 13:12 * wajasu or newest later. 13:11 * wajasu i'm adding newer-column for something else :| 13:11 kivilahtio Joubu: I understand this, but the name, new... 13:10 Joubu but maybe someone else would like to use it as a multivalued field 13:09 Joubu we (at BibLibre) use it as a boolean :) 13:09 Joubu if can use it as boolean if it is a varchar 13:09 kivilahtio Joubu: well what would you like to put there? 13:09 Joubu it is too restrictive 13:08 kivilahtio then it would make sense to have it indicate a status 13:08 kivilahtio Joubu, maybe change the new-column from VARCHAR to BOOLEAN? 13:07 kivilahtio Joubu: but if nothing explicitly set any values there? 13:07 Joubu I added it to manage a "new" status, so "new" looks like a good name 13:06 kivilahtio or system_notes? 13:05 kivilahtio Joubu: or something dexcriptive. Also a comment about what the column is supposed to do would be appreciated, like -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here 13:05 kivilahtio Joubu: well I saw that coming :) Well should it be called a notes-column? 13:05 Joubu you can use it as a boolean or a string if you want 13:04 Joubu kivilahtio: you can do what you want with this field 13:04 Joubu cait: yep indeed 13:04 kivilahtio dateaccessioned, case closd :) 13:03 kivilahtio The cronjob empties the new-column 13:03 cait if i interpret it correctly 13:03 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Items.pm;hb=fe205c907a6ec1959add1b24a5bf3ff09ee5149c#l2093 13:02 kivilahtio Joubu: could you please write a short description to the bug about what the items.new-column does? I am confused, it is stated it is just a field, then it is a flag, but it is instantiated in CREATE TABLE as a VARCHAR(32)? 13:02 cait AddItem seems to set it when you enter nothing 13:01 cait Joubu: it looks like there is also something about dateaccessioned in Items.pm 13:00 ashimema maybe I'll go bakc to email ;) 13:00 ashimema well.. he'd be the right person to ask.. I just don't fancy my chances of catching him any time soon ;) 13:00 cait nz weekend already started 13:00 ashimema bet he's not actually here though ;) 13:00 ashimema ooh.. eythian appears to be online.. 13:00 cait yeah quite sure there too 13:00 ashimema I'm sure catalyst does.. 12:59 cait yeah it hink you are right 12:59 ashimema I don't believe bywater does.. not yet at least.. 12:59 ashimema like configuring multiple rDNS entries to enable sensible mail and stuff. 12:59 cait hm maybe talk to eythian? quite sure bywater does - and the free koha magnuse does i think 12:59 ashimema I'm wondering how some of the finer details work.. 12:58 ashimema every time you run 'koha-create' you bringing up a new 'tenant' on the systm 12:58 cait hm i thnk at least some do 12:58 ashimema i.e running multiple koha's on the one system. 12:58 cait ashimema: multi-tenancy? 12:57 cait because we don't set it for items we import i think, and i have never seen it empty 12:57 cait i thought it was always set 12:57 Joubu kivilahtio: yes, you can do a lot of things with it 12:57 kivilahtio like a swiss army stuff 12:57 ashimema are many people using multi-tenancy with the packages? 12:57 kivilahtio but the cronjob does a lot of stuff 12:56 kivilahtio documentation says cronjob only removes the NEW status 12:56 kivilahtio but what is added to the new-column? 12:56 cait it's been forever since i looked at that more closely 12:56 cait let me check something 12:56 Joubu no? :) 12:56 cait hm 12:56 Joubu kivilahtio: looking at the code,dateaccessioned is only set in acqui/finishreceive.pl. So I suppose the date is set to NULL before receiving the item 12:55 kivilahtio which is quite cool! 12:55 kivilahtio your cronjob works 12:54 Joubu hum? 12:54 kivilahtio regardless if you specify a date there 12:54 kivilahtio isn'tthe dateaccessioned value set by default? 12:53 Joubu and it was not "ACQ" framework 12:53 kivilahtio Joubu: the dateaccesioned value is set yes, but what is added in the new-column? I thought stuff is removed from there? 12:53 Joubu kivilahtio: the dateaccessioned value is set on receiving. 12:50 kivilahtio Joubu: I tested via additem.pl 12:50 kivilahtio Joubu: Or does it work only via the acquisitions module? 12:49 kivilahtio Joubu: So should the new-status be automatically added when a item is added? 12:47 Joubu kivilahtio: To display it, you must link the db field with a marc field in the ACQ framework 12:45 kivilahtio Joubu: Should the new-column be visible in the additem.pl? 12:21 kivilahtio I am using ccode to dostinguis them and default to the itemtype 12:20 kivilahtio and some of those items have a loan period of 7 days 12:20 kivilahtio what I need to do is limit the loan period of new items to 14 days 12:20 kivilahtio idneed 12:19 kivilahtio cait: you are making perfect sensse 12:19 cait it's a werid friday 12:19 * cait hopes to make some sense 12:19 kivilahtio yeah, we already talked about our policies and agreed that we can update the dateaccessioned/Date acquired when the item is barcoded 12:18 cait the only quesiton is when you craete them on order, if you can not set a date then or update it on receive later to be more accurate 12:18 kivilahtio ok 12:18 cait kivilahtio: dateaccessioned in the database won't be changed by external, it's not a last changed date but something you add to the item in cataloguing 12:18 kivilahtio cait: thanks for the confirmation 12:18 cait kivilahtio: it's not changed 12:17 kivilahtio so true 12:17 Joubu kivilahtio: this is the Description, not the first comment :) 12:17 kivilahtio This status should be removed depending on some conditions. 12:17 Joubu kivilahtio: a cronjob updates the items.new value 12:17 kivilahtio Some libraries would like to manage a "new" status for items. 12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items 12:16 Joubu kivilahtio: bug 11023 comment 1 12:16 kivilahtio which one :) 12:16 kivilahtio wow 12:16 Joubu kivilahtio: did you read the commit msg ? :) 12:15 kivilahtio not sure, but it looks very fishy. 12:15 kivilahtio it might be changed when external sources harvest our data? 12:15 kivilahtio Joubu: items.dateaccessioned is labeled as the "Date Acquired" in the staff client, but that column is used elsewhere as well. Not sure if that column value is persistent 12:14 Joubu kivilahtio: it is based on dateaccessioned I think 12:13 kivilahtio Joubu: Do you store a timestamp there? or how do you define which item is newer than the other? 12:12 kivilahtio Joubu: well if you paln to make searches based on it :) 12:12 Joubu kivilahtio: it could be a good idea to add an index 12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items 12:11 kivilahtio Joubu: If you are not enjoying your weekend by now, could you tell me why bug 11023 has a items.new column without an index? 12:10 sophie_m :-) 12:09 kivilahtio sophie_m: This looks quite good! 12:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items 12:02 sophie_m kivilahtio: Bug 11023 11:49 atheia *blush* 11:48 magnuse yeah atheia++ 11:47 atheia indeed. 11:47 cait it's big, so might need a follow up and can fix then 11:46 cait i think not super urgent 11:46 atheia Is it worth me fixing that now? My instinct would be to wait and see whether qa issues come up… 11:45 atheia Ah, very useful, thanks cait. 11:40 cait ah and here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commit_messages 11:40 cait atheia: seems we hid that well: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SubmitingAPatch 11:38 cait atheia: ah maybe one thing that might be useful for you - there is a syntax you can use for sponsored by information that will be picked up by the release notes script 11:36 kivilahtio hey that column is documented!! 11:34 kivilahtio thanks! 11:34 kivilahtio well I'll take a look 11:34 kivilahtio I wonder what does dateaccessioned mean 11:34 kivilahtio wow 11:33 cait i think some libraries update the dateaccessioned when receiving the item 11:33 kivilahtio good wahanui! 11:33 wahanui the reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 11:33 kivilahtio the reports library 11:33 cait looking for the received dates and finding the items they belong to 11:33 kivilahtio hmm yeah 11:32 cait i think you could probably figure it out using a report 11:32 kivilahtio I will 11:32 kivilahtio okey 11:32 cait you might want to take a look there 11:32 cait i think 11:32 cait hm there is a feature from Joubu about something liek that in the qa queue 11:32 kivilahtio which have been available for 3 months, not in 'in acquisitions'-state 11:32 kivilahtio I need to trigger a status on items which have been in our library for 3 months 11:32 cait creating items on order then? 11:31 cait kivilahtio: dateaccessioned? or the return date? 11:31 kivilahtio I am not talking about the acquisitions date but the date the acquisition has been received 11:31 atheia Just hope the ++ sticks even after it's gone through qa ;-) 11:31 atheia :-) thanks — 't was a bit of work. 11:31 kivilahtio IS there any way to know when the Item has arrived to the library? 11:29 cait atheia++ 09:21 magnuse hiya atheia 09:14 cait hi atheia :) 09:12 atheia 'lo! 08:09 nc-th Ok! thanks a lot for your kind suggestions! I really appreciate your help. 08:08 magnuse yeah, don't just edit the standard xslt files, they will be overwritten when you upgrade :-) 08:07 cait there is also a pref to link to your own file 08:07 cait you'd have to do your own set of xslt files then 08:06 nc-th What I like is a little bit different from the default one > Title - Remainder of the title - Publisher - Description - ISBN - Subjects - Year 07:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11762 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Pushed to Master , Sequence of MARC21 245 subfields different on XSLT result list and detail page 07:55 magnuse bug 11762 will affect the order of subfields from 245. it will be in 3.16 07:55 cait but the order is according to the marc standard 07:54 cait yes,... then you'd have to modify, or add your own xslt 07:54 magnuse nc-th: probably. which order would you prefer? 07:50 nc-th after activating xslt to default, it displays now! but not in the order that I would like it to be.. so I have to modify the xslt files? 07:46 cait try activating the xslt views if they are not currently - search for system preferences with 'xslt' 07:46 cait nc-th: i think it's a confusion of terminology 07:46 nc-th in my set up, MARC / ISBD showing $b but not the normal view. Thank you for all suggestions. I am checking out keyword mappings. I am new to Koha, many things to learn. 07:41 wahanui hola, gaetan_B 07:41 gaetan_B hello 07:35 magnuse looking at the xslt, it looks like $b should show as default 07:31 cait you can take a look at the keyword mappings under administration or switch to xslt 07:30 nc-th in normal view, it doesn't show $b 07:29 dcook /cgi-bin/koha/admin/fieldmapping.pl 07:29 cait dcook: i think it shows by default in xslt, not sure about normal 07:29 dcook When not using XSLTs 07:28 dcook There is a mapping to make that work I believe.. 07:28 cait by default - what are you looking at? 07:28 cait hm $b should show 07:28 nc-th Hi everyone. Is it right that if I would like to display tag 245 subfield b in OPAC, the only way is to modify xslt files > MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl / MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl? 07:26 cait hi nlegrand :) 07:26 nlegrand magnuse, cait o/ 07:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on April 04, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:22 magnuse @wunder boo 07:22 magnuse hiya nlegrand and cait 07:14 cait good morning #koha 07:12 nlegrand Bonjour ! 06:40 wahanui kai ora, reiveune 06:40 reiveune hello 06:38 cait bbiab 06:38 * cait waves 06:10 kivilahtio hyvää huomenta wahanui 06:10 wahanui hola, kivilahtio 06:10 kivilahtio bonjour 06:09 alex_a bonjour 06:09 * magnuse waves 05:03 wajasu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mip9MppUsQA run free today 04:32 wajasu Can one cosine a loan? 02:13 eythian (though I'd be OK with changing that if needed.) 02:13 eythian *built 02:12 eythian really the only other way I'd probably handle it would be a package-specific patch, but we can't do that right now as Koha is build as debian native. 02:12 mtompset Just like thinking about the problem. :) 02:12 dcook mtompset: I think wizzyrea has it well in hand. Perhaps find another bug to test for now? 02:11 wizzyrea no, I don't like that and I won't do it that way. 02:07 mtompset Ugly indirection, but it would work. 02:07 mtompset Ah there is a configuration item pointing to the install log. ;) 02:06 eythian most likely that 02:06 mtompset or configuration item in koha-conf.xml? 02:05 eythian also, that's not appropriate for sysprefs because it's not a preference, it's a fact. 02:05 eythian nope 02:04 mtompset do we have a syspref that marks what type of install this is? 02:01 mtompset probably not. 02:01 eythian I'm not sure patching scripts from the installer is the ideal thing to do. 02:00 mtompset is there a way to file the install log file? 02:00 mtompset in the install log file. 02:00 eythian if that's an environment variable, the answer is no. 01:56 mtompset SCRIPT_DIR! 01:56 wizzyrea so don't worry about it for now. 01:56 wizzyrea it's ok, I've got an idea on how to fix it 01:55 mtompset Hmmm... 01:55 mtompset So you're right. 01:55 mtompset No, because it isn't suppose to be web accessible. 01:54 wizzyrea and it shouldn't be 01:54 wizzyrea yep. 01:54 mtompset Sadly, the FindBin logic idea I had fails horribly, because the runreports.pl script isn't in tools. 01:53 mtompset I just want something I can test without having to roll my own distribution. :) 01:53 mtompset I don't expect it to be. :) 01:52 wizzyrea it's not going to be a rewrite of the scheduler, that I do know. 01:50 wizzyrea I'm not sure you can leave it for now. 01:33 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 01:33 mtompset @later tell wizzyrea What are we doing about bug 12031? 00:31 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 hours and 12 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> and we'd all have a righteous chuckle. 00:31 mtompset @seen wizzyrea 00:27 mtompset dcook, eythian: The remainder of the jokes went unmentioned. :P