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* wizzyrea |
is contemplating a koha-get-password command line script. |
| 01:09 |
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wizzyrea |
thoughts? |
| 01:09 |
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wizzyrea |
or a koha-get-info |
| 01:09 |
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wizzyrea |
and if it was get info, what info do we want? |
| 01:16 |
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dcook |
I did something like that on my VM, but why would a person want to do that, wizzyrea? |
| 01:16 |
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dcook |
I think I was using it for mysql but there is that built-in koha-mysql now isn't there? |
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wizzyrea |
because you're a system administrator, and remembering all of the flags for xmlstarlet is onerous. |
| 01:17 |
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wizzyrea |
because koha-get-password sitename is faster to type than cat /etc/koha/sites/sitename/koha-conf.xml? |
| 01:18 |
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dcook |
I meant in what cases would a person need to know? |
| 01:18 |
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wizzyrea |
laziness, mostly is your answer. |
| 01:18 |
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dcook |
But I don't do much in the way of sysadmin, so I wouldn't know :) |
| 01:18 |
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dcook |
I made a get_password.sh to do exactly what you're describing though :p |
| 01:18 |
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wizzyrea |
because you want to log in as the supersuperadmin to check on sysprefs for the library |
| 01:18 |
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wizzyrea |
so did I |
| 01:18 |
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wizzyrea |
but I was wondering if it should be an included command |
| 01:19 |
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wizzyrea |
for the same reason that koha-mysql sitename is easier than mysql -u -p dbname |
| 01:19 |
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dcook |
Couldn't hurt. I would be down with it. |
| 01:19 |
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mtj |
wizzyrea, sounds like a handy thing, to me... |
| 01:19 |
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mtj |
i often want to dump that info, for a koha |
| 01:20 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, I was thinking, if you had a get info |
| 01:20 |
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wizzyrea |
it could dump all of the most interesting stuff out of koha-conf.xml in a readable fashion. |
| 01:20 |
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mtj |
koha-info --passwd mykoha |
| 01:21 |
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dcook |
The unix sockets for Zebra would be nice too |
| 01:21 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah, something like that. |
| 01:21 |
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dcook |
Every now and then I want to yaz-client it up |
| 01:21 |
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wizzyrea |
things that have to do with connectivity, users, passwords |
| 01:22 |
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wizzyrea |
you'd have to sudo to get it so it's not a security concern (i.e. it's not anything that a user with sudo privileges can't get one way or another anywa) |
| 01:22 |
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dcook |
Exactly |
| 01:23 |
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wizzyrea |
but really, in response to "why" the answer is "laziness" |
| 01:23 |
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dcook |
I seem to recall there being a quote about how the ideal sysadmin/programmer is lazy |
| 01:24 |
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dcook |
That they build the tools to do the work for them :p |
| 01:24 |
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wizzyrea |
plus the tools, given the same parameters, do it exactly the same way every time. |
| 01:24 |
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wizzyrea |
so cuts down on error. |
| 01:26 |
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gmcharlt |
xml2 < koha-conf.xml | grep '^/yazgfs/config/pass' |
| 01:28 |
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gmcharlt |
(for when you don't want to deal with xmlstarlet) |
| 01:28 |
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wizzyrea |
the one I have does basically that but with starlet ^.^ nice to know there's an alternative though |
| 01:28 |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, phasefx found it recently |
| 01:29 |
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wizzyrea |
you still have to remember the path to the variable you want though |
| 01:29 |
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wizzyrea |
and yeah ok you'd remember that after 10 times |
| 01:31 |
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wizzyrea |
also think about the mailing list, and the documentation |
| 01:32 |
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wizzyrea |
which would you rather new users do? |
| 01:32 |
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gmcharlt |
er, I'm not arguing with you about the utility of a koha-info command |
| 01:32 |
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wizzyrea |
oh, i'm not arguing. |
| 01:32 |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
| 01:33 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 01:33 |
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wizzyrea |
I just thought of another reason to have it, besides laziness |
| 01:33 |
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wizzyrea |
^ it's up there. :P |
| 01:33 |
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dcook |
moar commands = moar fun? |
| 01:34 |
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mtj |
those type of commands are really helpful for newbies |
| 01:36 |
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mtj |
and make it easier for us to help debug newbies installs, too |
| 01:38 |
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mtj |
i've often thought a tool to check a koha for common problems (like permissions) , would be handy too |
| 01:39 |
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mtj |
# koha-check mykoha |
| 01:40 |
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eythian |
presumably koha-fsck |
| 01:40 |
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eythian |
then koha-unfsck to fix issues |
| 01:40 |
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dcook |
mtj: We've started building up a monthly "audit" checking for common problems |
| 01:41 |
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dcook |
I can't remember the criteria off the top of my head, but mostly...looking for bad records, notices not being set, and stuff like that |
| 01:41 |
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mtj |
a check for wrong user/pass combos for… mysql or zebra |
| 01:42 |
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wizzyrea |
koha-unfsck makes me giggle. |
| 01:43 |
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mtj |
zebra files that are owned by root, etc... |
| 01:43 |
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wizzyrea |
http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]acker-looks-at-an < then it could really be like this |
| 01:44 |
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eythian |
a weekly job that tracks things like records that aren't indexed would be interesting too. |
| 01:44 |
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mtj |
theres a whole bunch of common newbie mistakes that a tool could detect |
| 01:44 |
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mtj |
awesome wizzyrea :p |
| 01:45 |
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mtj |
eythian, agreed |
| 01:45 |
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eythian |
Or just make an expert system that learns symptoms and solutions and point people to that :) |
| 01:46 |
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eythian |
http://www.20q.net/ <-- like this |
| 01:51 |
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mtj |
ooooh, thats very cool |
| 01:51 |
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mtj |
…looks 28 questions to get 'software' :) |
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wizzyrea |
It couldn't guess mine |
| 01:54 |
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eythian |
It didn't have blast cord. |
| 02:08 |
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eythian |
I really really don't like that the packages C4::OAI::* are actually in opac/oai.pl. |
| 02:09 |
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eythian |
I don't see why they wouldn't be split out like normal. |
| 02:13 |
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* eythian |
also notes that OAI-PMH doesn't respect the opac supression type things. |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
OAI-PMH pretty much respects nothing |
| 02:23 |
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dcook |
eythian: opac/oai.pl also drives me nuts |
| 02:24 |
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dcook |
It might not be a bad idea to define export profiles for the OAI-PMH server. |
| 02:25 |
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eythian |
what are they? |
| 02:25 |
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wahanui |
they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) |
| 02:25 |
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dcook |
Well, what I mean is just running it through a XSLT before sending it out |
| 02:25 |
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eythian |
ah right |
| 02:25 |
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dcook |
In the case of DSpace, they convert from their internal metadata format to a host of others such as DC |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
It's something we would need to do anyway if we were to become metadata agnostic |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
Well..maybe |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
I suppose we already do it for oai_dc in a way |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
Actually, I can't remember if we use XSLT or the Perl modules for the oai_dc... |
| 02:27 |
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eythian |
I've not dared to look that deep. |
| 02:27 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
MARC21slim2OAIDC.xsl |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
That looks like the XSL we use to output oai_dc |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
So at the moment it will use an XSLT for anything that isn't marcxml |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
Although only marcxml and oai_dc are available metadataPrefixes by default.. |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
Heaps of XSLTs look like they're there for other metadata formats though |
| 02:35 |
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dcook |
Btw, eythian: Feel free to separate those packages out. I would test and sign off that patch in no time. |
| 02:37 |
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eythian |
There's a chance we'll have to do some work on that (making it obey 942$n), in which case I'll do that as its own thing I think. |
| 02:37 |
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eythian |
The code seems nice and clean otherwise really though, albeit woefully undocumented. |
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| 02:38 |
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dcook |
Feel free to CC me into those bug reports if you'd like. I would be keen to see that go through as well. |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I don't think there's much to it. Mostly just extending the HTTP::OAI modules so that they work specifically with Koha |
| 02:38 |
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eythian |
cool |
| 02:41 |
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dcook |
There are a few things that should probably be fixed up with our implementation but...nothing too severe, I think. |
| 02:41 |
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dcook |
Some suggestions about how it could support deleted items would also be sweet, but yep...good ol' time.. |
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eythian |
wahanui: andromeda is coming right for us! |
| 03:12 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 03:14 |
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dcook |
yay tcohen for 3.18! |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:45 |
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* eythian |
notes that Nine Inch Nails is playing tomorrow in Wellington. |
| 03:45 |
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eythian |
Also that I have a ticket. |
| 03:47 |
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dcook |
Can't say that I'm really a NIN fan, but yay live music! |
| 03:47 |
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eythian |
I must try to find my earplugs. |
| 03:49 |
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dcook |
A wise decision. |
| 03:49 |
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* dcook |
really needs to remember to 'buy' earplugs. |
| 03:49 |
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wizzyrea |
oooo |
| 03:49 |
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dcook |
I figure being deaf has certain advantages as I get older... |
| 04:10 |
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mtompset |
what? ;) |
| 04:11 |
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mtompset |
shoot... dcook... what was that bug report that made me think of you. |
| 04:11 |
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eythian |
Oh no, I think I've just become papa. I just wrote a map containing a ternary operator containing another map. |
| 04:12 |
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eythian |
and it relies on a -- along with short-circuit evaluation to determine if it should function. |
| 04:13 |
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mtompset |
Eeeeew! |
| 04:13 |
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mtompset |
dcook: bug 11575. |
| 04:13 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11575 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , OPACBaseURL sometimes set by ENV variable and not system preference |
| 04:13 |
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pastebot |
"eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "that's totally understandable, right?" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/172 |
| 04:14 |
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eythian |
oh, 'cept that @_ should be $_ |
| 04:15 |
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mtompset |
eythian: That's a logistical nightmare to read. |
| 04:15 |
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dcook |
mtompset: Oh? |
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* eythian |
passes mtompset a book on LISP |
| 04:16 |
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dcook |
eythian: It's easier to read than some nested maps I've seen |
| 04:17 |
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mtompset |
easier to read still doesn't make it right. |
| 04:18 |
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mtompset |
dcook: Are you going to move forward on 11575? |
| 04:20 |
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dcook |
I can't say that it's on my list of priorities at the moment, no. |
| 04:21 |
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dcook |
Possibly in the next few months maybe |
| 04:25 |
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mtompset |
Did anyone notice my question on the development list? |
| 04:34 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha dcook eythian wizzyrea. |
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papa |
I fint it cool |
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cait |
morning #koha |
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paxed |
if i type "au:smith pubdate(-2008)" into the mainpage catalog search input, i get "Error: Can't call method "sort" on an undefined value at /root/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 426." |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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* cait1 |
waves |
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cait1 |
eythian++ # signing up as packaging manager again :) |
| 07:10 |
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cait1 |
hm, we still need a lot of rmaints |
| 07:12 |
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magnuse |
cait++ for signing up as qam again :-) |
| 07:32 |
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paxed |
can anyone confirm that error i wrote about in here? looks similar to bug 9578 |
| 07:32 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9578 minor, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Error when search and sort not on relevance |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
hello, reiveune |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
| 07:50 |
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magnuse |
guten morgen cait |
| 07:52 |
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cait |
god morgen magnuse |
| 07:53 |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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Joubu |
good morning |
| 08:21 |
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cait |
good morning Joubu :) |
| 08:25 |
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magnuse |
bonjour Joubu |
| 08:25 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (9:20 AM CET on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 10.2°C (9:25 AM CET on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:26 |
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magnuse |
...and all that lovely cheese. hm... |
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sophie_m |
magnuse: there is some left, and that smells stronger every day :-) |
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Hopla |
hey koha i just updated koha (old-stable and updated perl dependencies only Test::WWW::Mechanize would not update is that a problem ? |
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magnuse |
Hopla: only if you want to run a few of Koha's more exotic tests |
| 09:16 |
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magnuse |
nothing to worry about for regular use of Koha |
| 09:16 |
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magnuse |
sophie_m: yay! ;-) |
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Hopla |
ok :) |
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nlegrand |
hey #koha :) |
| 09:36 |
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magnuse |
hiya nlegrand |
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nlegrand |
o/ magnuse ^^ |
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| 10:39 |
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Joubu |
cait: what do you suggest for bug 11744? |
| 10:39 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11744 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , cancel receipt doesn't work for one item |
| 10:40 |
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Joubu |
cait: to show holds? To raise an alert if an hold exist? To remove the hold silently? |
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paxed |
grrh. |
| 10:58 |
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paxed |
is there any technical reason not to use unique id for database tables? |
| 10:59 |
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cait |
sorry phone call |
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paxed |
or, when there is a unique id, why not use it? |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
i think alert that the hold will be canceleld (and doing that) would be good |
| 11:16 |
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cait |
and then have an option to back out - yes delete cancel and um no |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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francharb |
morning #koha |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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* cait |
waves |
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* paxed |
hits C4/Reserves.pm with a hammer. |
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* oleonard |
hands paxed a bigger hammer |
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paxed |
yes, indeed, i do need one. |
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* mtompset |
sprinkles the hammer with holy water. |
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* paxed |
grumbles something about having a unique id in the table... and then not using it. |
| 12:24 |
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mtompset |
paxed: You have to think of development as on going.... |
| 12:24 |
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oleonard |
paxed: reserveid? That was added fairly recently. |
| 12:24 |
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mtompset |
perhaps it started without one. |
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paxed |
mtompset: there is no reason to create a table without a uid column. |
| 12:25 |
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mtompset |
paxed: I agree, but just because something makes sense does not mean that is the way it is coded. |
| 12:26 |
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paxed |
i'd like to hit the person who coded it with the hammer. |
| 12:26 |
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mtompset |
Remember, not everyone in the Koha community are pure coders, just as not everyone is a pure librarian. We're a mongrel bunch. :) |
| 12:27 |
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* mtompset |
enchants the hammer to only be solid against code, but nerf against people. ;) |
| 12:27 |
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paxed |
sure, but not everyone has commit access, and those who do, should know better. |
| 12:28 |
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oleonard |
Since there is 14+ years of Koha history it's better not to get angry about decisions that were made a long time ago, especially when the evidence shows that people are trying to make it better. |
| 12:28 |
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mtompset |
I'm with oleonard on this. :) |
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paxed |
ok, i'll phrase it as: there was no reason to create a db table with no uid 15 years ago. |
| 12:29 |
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paxed |
hopefully whoever did that has learned a bit since then. |
| 12:30 |
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mtompset |
@seen khall |
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huginn |
mtompset: khall was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 48 minutes, and 1 second ago: <khall> also, I like the icon |
| 12:31 |
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oleonard |
paxed: patches are always welcome. |
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paxed |
oleonard: why do you think i'm cursing this code? |
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mtompset |
Good for working on a patch. :) |
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petter |
Hello #koha |
| 12:31 |
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magnuse |
kia ora petter! |
| 12:31 |
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petter |
hei hei! |
| 12:33 |
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petter |
Are there any plans to bootstrapify the staff interface as well? |
| 12:34 |
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petter |
jsut curious |
| 12:34 |
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oleonard |
petter: No immediate plans because it's such a big task |
| 12:34 |
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petter |
ok |
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oleonard |
It would be nice to have a framework in place to make the staff client more mobile-friendly, but... So many templates. |
| 12:35 |
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petter |
yea, I dont know if i would use the staff interface on mobile myself |
| 12:35 |
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petter |
I agree it would be a giant task |
| 12:36 |
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oleonard |
I do from time to time: Consulting the holds queue while walking through the stacks for instance, looking at title information. |
| 12:36 |
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oleonard |
It would be worthwhile to choose certain pages to make mobile-friendly while leaving other things as they are. |
| 12:37 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha. -- EXERCISE! |
| 12:38 |
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petter |
Yes. I was also thinking about the "reusable component" which a framework like bootstrap allows |
| 12:38 |
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petter |
like modal windows |
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petter |
dropdowns |
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wahanui |
dropdowns are great for preventing typos. |
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petter |
right |
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oleonard |
Good morning tcohen, talljoy, nengard |
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nengard |
morning oleonard!! |
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nengard |
I used your bootstrap tab tutorial the other day :) |
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nengard |
thanks so much for that |
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talljoy |
morning oleonard! |
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oleonard |
nengard: Sure. If you have common problems that you think I should address please let me know. |
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nengard |
I do have one. The 'powered by' at the bottom. People seemed to like it as the Koha logo instead of having the logo in the top left, I tried to do it on my own but it was a spectacular disaster |
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nengard |
so if you want to do another post in the future, I'd love to know how to make that powered by a Koha logo (linked to Koha's site) |
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oleonard |
nengard: So people ask for the Koha logo at the top to go away, or be replaced by something else? |
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nengard |
i've only trained a couple libraries so far on bootstrap - but yes, go away seems to be the request because theyw ant their logo (in the header) to be prominent - and they still want to give Koha credit of course but at the bottom in the 'powered by' statement as a logo instead of text |
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oleonard |
Do they want their logo to replace the Koha logo at the top? It's so small. |
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nengard |
nope |
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nengard |
they just want nothing up there |
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nengard |
they will use the header (like you suggest) for their logo |
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oleonard |
I guess having nothing is feasible since there is now a consistent breadcrumbs menu |
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nengard |
So it goes like this: 1. hide Koha logo at top, 2. Add library logo to header (which you showed) 3. update powered by at bottom to have Koha logo instead of 'Koha' words |
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nengard |
Or: |
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nengard |
1. hide koha logo at top when it's a logo, but leave it there as the home icon - if having the home icon is a concern |
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nengard |
I did try that too |
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oleonard |
breadcrumbs don't appear below a certain pixel width, so a home link is needed then. |
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nengard |
So then my alternate option - show the home icon, but not the Koha Logo at the top |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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cait |
nengard: wait a sec |
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cait |
i think 952$2 is right |
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nengard |
952$2 is right |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, nengard. |
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cait |
ah :) |
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nengard |
she says it says 942$2 |
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nengard |
which is wrong |
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nengard |
but I don't know what documentation she means |
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nengard |
because the manual is right :) |
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cait |
ah i misread |
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* cait |
stops writing an email |
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nengard |
hehe |
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cait |
i guess today is a 'no sql updates on production databases' kind of day |
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nengard |
LOL |
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nengard |
Mine was Monday |
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cait |
today is terrible :( |
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* nengard |
sends cait a virtual cookie |
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cait |
aw thx :) |
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cait |
nengard: i think both are probably kind of right - as we do have 942$2 as well... but I am not sure it is used |
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cait |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]42b9624cbfe652a61 |
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cait |
but i found the help page |
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nengard |
wow! how is it that i have never updated taht? |
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nengard |
that |
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nengard |
will report bug and fix right now |
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nengard |
thanks cait |
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cait |
hm bug 6939 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6939 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, CLOSED FIXED, DefaultClassificationSource not used in 942$2 |
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cait |
nengard: at least searching is unlike to break something :) |
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sophie_m |
QA team, would it be possible to have a look at bug 9593. It's a serious pb for some of our customers. Thx |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9593 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Signed Off , Prices not imported correctly from a staged file |
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cait |
sophie_m: not sure when I will get to it :( It not one of the quick and fast ones I suspect. khall is probably not going to be around for a while, but I will see what I can do |
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nengard |
typo fixed |
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kivilahtio |
do you have issues with cpan HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench ? |
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sophie_m |
thanx cait |
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kivilahtio |
hmm, I was missing a c compiler :) |
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magnuse |
nengard++ |
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nengard |
:) |
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nengard |
doing a bit of catching up |
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magnuse |
better late than never! :_ |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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magnuse |
anyone got a nice, simple, free software, javascript chart library they can recommend? |
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petter |
http://omnipotent.net/jquery.sparkline/#s-about |
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jcamins |
magnuse: d3? Flot? |
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petter |
d3 is not exacly simple, but very powerfull! |
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jcamins |
True. |
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magnuse |
yeah d3 looked like a bit of overkill, but it's certainly on my todo list... |
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kivilahtio |
Is anyone using memcached with koha? |
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kivilahtio |
I havent seen a koha module yet to actually use memcached |
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kivilahtio |
is it called anywhere from code? |
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petter |
I think its just used as session store |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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kivilahtio |
thanks petter |
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mtompset |
git grep -i memcache |
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kivilahtio |
mtompset: thanks! I wonder why memcached is even an optional part of Koha? It should be a mandatory part of Koha :) |
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mtompset |
Because it would be yet another thing to configure. |
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kivilahtio |
mtompset: hmm that's true. |
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mtompset |
And a DB setup and Apache configuration is complex enough. Too complex for some. |
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kivilahtio |
mtompset: checking for memcahced in code is just nasty, but one can capsulate those checks under the api |
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kivilahtio |
mtompset: I understand. Thanks for helping me out! |
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* magnuse |
uses memcached |
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magnuse |
petter: it's not just for sessions |
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magnuse |
not sure how to get an overview of what it is used for, though |
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mtompset |
That's why I mentioned the git grep, magnuse. :) |
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petter |
magnus: ok! |
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petter |
what else? |
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petter |
I havent rellay looked into it, |
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petter |
I enabled memcached and did some benchmarks |
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petter |
No big difference |
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petter |
but i heard if you have many active sessions it can help you out |
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kivilahtio |
petter: git grep -i memcache :) |
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petter |
hehe, thanks! |
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petter |
But I'm lazy |
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petter |
I want you guys to explain! |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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magnuse |
oops, https://github.com/digibib/kohaprofile now saves data in mysql and displays them in a Dancer app. work in progress, patches welcome! :-) |
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cait |
kivilahtio: look for the Koha::Cache bug |
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kivilahtio |
petter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upcvR-39myE There is no rest for the wicked |
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kivilahtio |
:) |
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cait |
kivilahtio: there are some things in the code that could use memcache, but in my experience it's still a bit experimental, apart from sessions maybe |
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kivilahtio |
cait: thanks |
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kivilahtio |
cait: I'll deploy memcached and try to use it in my further dev-work |
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kivilahtio |
it doesnt look like it is used for much. |
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cait |
one of the problems i had was that changes to the frameworks wouldn't show up immediatley |
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kivilahtio |
xcept SQLHelper which "might" automatically pull from cache primary keys |
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kivilahtio |
and column stuff, where SQL helper is used (not very oftern :) |
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cait |
i think ther is a bug for making sqlhelper die too :) |
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jcamins |
As an aside, the memoize_memcached used by SQLHelper is massively buggy. |
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kivilahtio |
jcamins: So i might be better off not using memcached? |
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jcamins |
As an additional aside, memoize is just a bad idea all around. |
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cait |
hm was that the module tcohen is maintaining now? |
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jcamins |
cait: oh, was he? That'd be nice. |
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cait |
i thought i remembered something like that |
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kivilahtio |
ok ,no memcached for our production :( |
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jcamins |
Yup. Cool! |
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cait |
ah you were faster :) i was still searching - where did you find it? |
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jcamins |
So memoize_memcached 0.04 should work fine. |
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jcamins |
http://search.cpan.org/~tcohen/ |
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cait |
ah , had the wrong name then :) |
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jcamins |
I mean, it's still a bad idea, but at least it doesn't hurt performance. |
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kivilahtio |
haha |
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kivilahtio |
thats a marketing speech for a cache |
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jcamins |
memoize is appropriate for repeated math, not for data access. |
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petter |
hm, yea, you would need some way to invalidate the cache when you update your data |
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jcamins |
petter: exactly. |
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* cait |
nods |
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cait |
otherwise it turns out rather confusing |
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cait |
hm quite confusing? |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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kivilahtio |
cait: yes |
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kivilahtio |
I don't want any hard to track behaviour here |
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kivilahtio |
I guess I will be way over my head anyway |
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kivilahtio |
is it possible to use unixsockets to communicate between mysql and koha? |
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kivilahtio |
mysql <-> perl |
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mtompset |
Why are you asking that? |
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mtompset |
Do you think the DBI library is poorly written? |
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petter |
I would guess that's what DBI is using |
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mtompset |
me too, petter, me too. :) |
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petter |
if you are on the same machine that is |
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petter |
At least its capable of doing it |
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petter |
http://www.cs.wcupa.edu/docs/m[…]nfo/perl_dbi.html |
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kivilahtio |
my issues is that I have two containers, which have a hsared partition for unix sockets |
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kivilahtio |
koha container -> shared socket partition <- mariadb container |
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kivilahtio |
so koha and mariadb dont work in the same namespace but could communicate via a unix-socket |
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kivilahtio |
this way I don't have to generate TCP packets |
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petter |
You could maybe try modify sub _new_dbh in Context.pm |
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kivilahtio |
I could |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio: it would require changing the connection string. But I would suspect that the overhead is probably insignificant compared to other things Koha does. |
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kivilahtio |
:) |
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kivilahtio |
jcamins: good point |
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petter |
I think so too, probably not worth it |
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petter |
Rarther, lets get Plack to work! |
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jcamins |
But if you think it might be, test test test. |
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petter |
hm, actually it might be quite a bit to gain |
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petter |
check this |
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petter |
http://momjian.us/main/blogs/p[…].html#June_6_2012 |
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petter |
its the postgress maintainer |
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petter |
measuring, udp to be 33% percent faster than TCP |
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petter |
sorry, not udp, menat unix-domain-socket |
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kivilahtio |
koha makes a HUGE amount of database queries |
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jcamins |
petter: an Apache process is started and the entirety of the Koha codebase is loaded on every connection... |
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petter |
jcamins: yes. There are some inherit limitations in the cgi-model I guess. If it was an in-memory process we could reuse connections |
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petter |
Anyway, I have some hopes that if we get a working Plack configuration we could see quite a boost |
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petter |
ok, time to go out in the sun |
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petter |
see you folks! |
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oleonard |
@wunder 45701 |
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oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is 10.9°C (11:35 AM EDT on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
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oleonard |
No sun here. |
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rhcl |
@wunder 64507 |
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rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 3.2°C (10:36 AM CDT on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
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nengard |
@wunder 78741 |
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huginn |
nengard: The current temperature in Huston-Tillotson Environmental Studies, Austin, Texas is 14.3°C (10:39 AM CDT on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
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nengard |
Loving it :) |
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rhcl |
why do I always have to be at the coldest spot on the planet? Why can't I be warmer than Athens, Ohio just once? |
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mtompset |
@wunder l7e 5y5 |
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mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is 2.7°C (11:47 AM EDT on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
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nengard |
eek |
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rhcl |
I mean, I don't expect to live in a tropical paradise like nengard and druthb, but just warm would be nice |
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nengard |
LOL |
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nengard |
hey, we had a cold winter here in paradise |
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mtompset |
Just had to point out it was colder here. :) |
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nengard |
freeze warnings all over the place and ice storms |
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rhcl |
barely, and you are 39 more lattitude lines north |
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jcamins |
OH MY GOD! THERE WAS SOME ICE! |
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nengard |
LOL |
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nengard |
it's a bit nuts, but when you don't have the infrastructure to handle it it makes sense - they don't insulate their pipes here like they did back home |
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nengard |
and so they freeze easy so everyone makes a big fuss when it gets cold |
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nengard |
in fact the pipes in our new house burst cause there wasn't any heat yet - of course it's not our house yet so they had to fix that :) |
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nengard |
webinar time for me |
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nengard |
ttyl |
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* druthb |
perks |
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druthb |
tropical paradise? oh, yes, I'm wearing a sleeveless blouse today. :) |
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druthb |
Be jealous. |
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mtompset |
It may be freezing, but I'm wearing a short sleeve shirt... just not outside. ;) |
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rhcl |
Well, I'm sitting here rubbing my hands together over my computer wishing it had a 1000 watt power supply instead of just 550. |
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cait |
that reminds me of that comic... |
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cait |
can't find the right xkcd :( |
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cait |
ah this one.. https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
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reiveune |
bye |
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rhcl |
that is appropriate! |
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mtompset |
paxed: Oh yes! Love that patch for 11885... It's so elegant. |
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cait |
bug 11885 |
| 16:09 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11885 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Inconsistent HTML in MARC Details |
| 16:10 |
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mtompset |
I'm just in the midst of signing it off. |
| 16:12 |
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mtompset |
Ooo... minor thing. |
| 16:12 |
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mtompset |
Missing a - that was there before. |
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paxed |
as i noted in the bug description. |
| 16:15 |
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mtompset |
and there it is. Great! |
| 16:16 |
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mtompset |
Also... is an IF around the description necessary? What's wrong with a blank span? |
| 16:17 |
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mtompset |
Hmm... if you don't have a tag, can you even have indicators or a description? |
| 16:18 |
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mtompset |
I'll sign off... but perhaps there is a tighter optimization possible. |
| 16:18 |
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paxed |
i was more aggravated by impossible css styling. |
| 16:19 |
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oleonard |
Isn't avoiding unnecessary markup a form of optimization? |
| 16:24 |
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mtompset |
oleonard: But the markup should be consistent between tabs. |
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AmitG |
hi |
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mtompset |
paxed made them consistent by turning the tab draws into a single subroutine. |
| 16:25 |
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AmitG |
alex around |
| 16:25 |
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mtompset |
It was so beautiful, I almost cried. |
| 16:26 |
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oleonard |
@seen alex |
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huginn |
oleonard: I have not seen alex. |
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cait |
oleonard: which alex are you looking for? |
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oleonard |
cait: That was for AmitG who is looking for an alex |
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cait |
ah |
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AmitG |
hi cait |
| 16:29 |
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cait |
i think we have different alex...s but with other nicks |
| 16:30 |
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AmitG |
alex biblibre |
| 16:30 |
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cait |
hm alex_a i think |
| 16:30 |
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cait |
@seeen alex_a |
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huginn |
cait: downloading the Perl source |
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cait |
@seen alex_a |
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huginn |
cait: alex_a was last seen in #koha 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 38 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <alex_a> hello |
| 16:31 |
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AmitG |
@seen AmitG |
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huginn |
AmitG: AmitG was last seen in #koha 1 minute and 6 seconds ago: <AmitG> alex biblibre |
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druthb |
hm. |
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druthb |
@seen jdavidb |
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huginn |
druthb: jdavidb was last seen in #koha 2 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 37 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <jdavidb> I'm just here to confuse you. |
| 16:31 |
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druthb |
damn. |
| 16:32 |
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druthb |
I'm surprised it remembers. |
| 16:32 |
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jcamins |
druthb: I'm confused... |
| 16:32 |
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AmitG |
hi |
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wahanui |
salut, AmitG |
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AmitG |
indradg |
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AmitG |
hi druthb |
| 16:32 |
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druthb |
Hi, AmitG |
| 16:33 |
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AmitG |
any good doc drupal with koha |
| 16:33 |
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AmitG |
? |
| 16:33 |
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druthb |
@seen libsysguy |
| 16:33 |
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huginn |
druthb: libsysguy was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 53 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <libsysguy> its quiet in here today |
| 16:33 |
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druthb |
saw him today, in the lunch line. Gave him crap about eating the buffet today—it's Deep Fry All The Things day. |
| 16:33 |
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oleonard |
\o/ |
| 16:33 |
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druthb |
Told him if he got the mini corn dogs, I was going to tell The Swede on him. |
| 16:34 |
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jcamins |
druthb: do they have deep fried Mars Bars? |
| 16:34 |
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druthb |
no. I had those at the State Fair, tho. *ick* |
| 16:34 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 16:34 |
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jcamins |
I've never actually tried one. It sounds too horrible. But that's apparently a Scottish thing. |
| 16:34 |
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druthb |
Deep-fried butter is even nastier. But it sells like crazy. |
| 16:35 |
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jcamins |
Deep-fried butter? That doesn't even make sense. |
| 16:35 |
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cait |
eww |
| 16:35 |
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jcamins |
The melting point of butter is way below 300 degrees. |
| 16:35 |
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druthb |
you're requiring southern food to make sense? Since when? |
| 16:35 |
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druthb |
yes. But you freeze the butter, batter it, and flash-fry it. Like fried ice cream—only a little metls. |
| 16:36 |
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druthb |
melts, even. |
| 16:36 |
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cait |
eww |
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jcamins |
And then you spread it on deep fried toast? |
| 16:36 |
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druthb |
But it is *supremely* icky. |
| 16:36 |
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druthb |
No, then you eat it. |
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* cait |
thinks she should really go home now :) |
| 16:37 |
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jcamins |
It's new. |
| 16:37 |
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jcamins |
It came out of Texas in 2009, but the Iowa State Fair appears to be the venue best-known for it. |
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mtompset |
AmitG: I'd ask someone in BibLibre, but I can't help you beyond that. I know they wrote some drupal connector thing. |
| 16:43 |
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druthb |
There was a joint in DC in 2009-2010 that was making it, in response to the news…some bar or other. That's where I tried it. They were using quarter-sticks, having determined that a pat of butter would melt too quickly, and a stick was just a waste. |
| 16:44 |
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AmitG |
i have done with MARC21 |
| 16:44 |
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AmitG |
but some confusion is there |
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mtompset |
deep fried toast? wouldn't that be like french toast? |
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* mtompset |
dreams of the day he'll be able to have maple syrup again. |
| 16:53 |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Are you banished to a land without maple syrup? |
| 16:53 |
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mtompset |
No, I'm on a diet. |
| 16:53 |
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mtompset |
And that means avoiding sugar and carbs. |
| 16:54 |
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mtompset |
not all carbs, just more than a microscopic amount. |
| 16:54 |
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mtompset |
I've lost 45+ pounds in just over a year. |
| 16:54 |
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mtompset |
So, I'm going to stick with it until I reach my optimal weight. |
| 16:55 |
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mtompset |
Then, I'll be able to "cheat" and then work hard to keep it off at a much more relaxed level. |
| 17:00 |
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tcohen |
when is the newsletter sent? ((aprox) |
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marjorie |
Hi, i am searching a way to scan mutiple barcode on return.pl. Is someone knows a way to do with RFID? |
| 17:09 |
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cait |
marjorie: are you using barcodes or rfid? |
| 17:10 |
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cait |
the software one of the vnedors our libraires use had an option to send a return after each number... i think that kind of worked, but basically it's not made for multiple |
| 17:10 |
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cait |
you might miss messages it shows, like for holds |
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marjorie |
cait: rfid |
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cait |
yeah, then what i said applies i think |
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cait |
there is one interesting rfid rfc from oslo public library on the wiki |
| 17:11 |
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marjorie |
cait: ok thanks! |
| 17:14 |
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move_ |
hello, is somebody here using koha with nginx and plack? I have problems that sometimes item searches in opac shows no results. if i try the serach again, all results are shown. can't figure out the problem (btw: sorry for my bad english) |
| 17:18 |
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cait |
move_: your english is fine - sadly i can't really help |
| 17:18 |
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cait |
ashimema might be interested - he was going to look into nginx and plack |
| 17:20 |
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move_ |
thx :) in the near future my koha installation must move to a server without apache. all works fine with nginx and plack, only search is not working properly |
| 17:20 |
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cait |
i suspect it's a known plack bug |
| 17:21 |
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cait |
soem people have been talking about that |
| 17:21 |
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cait |
where zebra looses the connection? |
| 17:22 |
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move_ |
thx I will try searching this lpack bug |
| 17:22 |
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cait |
try reading the dev meeting logs maybe |
| 17:22 |
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cait |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng,_March_12_2014 |
| 17:23 |
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cait |
hm no not the march one |
| 17:23 |
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cait |
february |
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cait |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]February_25,_2014 |
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jcamins |
cait: the items not showing up is a different bug. |
| 18:25 |
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jcamins |
move_: are you using a slightly older version of Koha? |
| 18:26 |
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move_ |
I'm using current debian-version, 3.14.04 |
| 18:26 |
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move_ |
debian version ist wheezy |
| 18:26 |
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cait |
jcamins: ah, i thought search not working at all |
| 18:26 |
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jcamins |
Hmm. |
| 18:27 |
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jcamins |
cait: yeah, that's the bug you were talking about. :) |
| 18:27 |
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cait |
move_: sorry, misread then |
| 18:27 |
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cait |
the bug i meant was search sometimes not working |
| 18:27 |
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jcamins |
move_: could you please share your Plack script thing with paste.koha-community.org? |
| 18:27 |
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move_ |
works most, but after some time search is showing no results and after trying again search shows all results |
| 18:28 |
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jcamins |
Oh, the search is showing no results, not just no items? |
| 18:28 |
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jcamins |
In that case, it's the bug cait mentioned. |
| 18:28 |
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cait |
yay :) |
| 18:28 |
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cait |
but it's a bug... so yay :(? |
| 18:28 |
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jcamins |
As far as I know, no fix has been submitted for inclusion in Koha. |
| 18:28 |
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jcamins |
But I haven't been following the bugs list recently. |
| 18:29 |
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magnuse |
known bugs are better than unknown bugs |
| 18:29 |
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move_ |
can't find a bug in this relation for plack and koha |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
there is one link to a kid of fix in the log i think |
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cait |
move_: i think it's not on bugzilla, that's why i gave the link to the february dev meeting |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
i think it was talked about there and a link posted to a repo |
| 18:29 |
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magnuse |
i think rangi or catalyst has something that is just on a branch somewhere, not a patch yet |
| 18:29 |
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jcamins |
cait: but I think it has to be patched manually. |
| 18:29 |
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jcamins |
There is a bug, but I don't recall the number. |
| 18:29 |
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cait |
probably |
| 18:30 |
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move_ |
cant find something related in the dev-log. i will try again |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
haven't seen, i only remembered from the meeting |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
let me see |
| 18:30 |
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jcamins |
It's called something weird. |
| 18:30 |
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* jcamins |
filed it. |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
http://meetings.koha-community[…]25-21.01.log.html |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
i think it's this |
| 18:31 |
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cait |
21:13:29 <rangi> http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]86e253cb4dfe04597 |
| 18:33 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
| 18:34 |
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move_ |
great :) thx for help |
| 18:34 |
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magnuse |
awww http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]l-bywater-family/ |
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bag |
magnuse: HI |
| 18:34 |
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wahanui |
hi, bag |
| 18:34 |
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magnuse |
bag: HI |
| 18:34 |
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magnuse |
bag: finally at home, safe and sound? |
| 18:35 |
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bag |
finally home - arrived last night - with no luggage |
| 18:35 |
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move_ |
jcamins and cait: will try if this fix helps me |
| 18:35 |
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bag |
but the luggage was just dropped off at home |
| 18:35 |
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cait |
bag: good to hear it's late but there now |
| 18:39 |
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magnuse |
bag: that sux - but maybe less than having no baggage when you arrive in the great unknown? |
| 18:40 |
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bag |
yeah at least they knew where it was. I landed in Paris from Rome with only 20 minutes to get on the next plane - so I think I was just faster than my bags where |
| 18:40 |
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magnuse |
ooh, bag was faster than his bags! |
| 18:41 |
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magnuse |
yeah, 20 minutes is not a lot of time |
| 18:41 |
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jcamins |
bag: if only they had accidentally sent *you* to Tahiti instead of your luggage, right? |
| 18:41 |
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bag |
HA |
| 18:41 |
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rhcl |
:) funny |
| 18:41 |
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bag |
is a single bag faster than multiple bags - I guess so |
| 18:45 |
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cait |
:) |
| 18:45 |
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cait |
did the chocolate bunny made it? |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
i made one of my coworkers very happy today by sharing some peanut butter cups... |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
but i still have about half of them :D |
| 18:46 |
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magnuse |
ooh, lucky coworkers! |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
lucky me :) |
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bag |
yes cait the bunny made it :) |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
khall++ :) |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
baby photos! |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
daria++ :) |
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bag |
khall++ |
| 19:18 |
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magnuse |
khall++ |
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magnuse |
bywater++ for putting baby photos on their website! |
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bag |
:P |
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tcohen |
khall++ |
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bag |
it's a family |
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mtompset |
I saw the thumbnail and khall and thought V is for Vendetta. |
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bag |
right |
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magnuse |
heh |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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* magnuse |
adds some basic graphing to https://github.com/digibib/kohaprofile and calls it a day |
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rhcl |
I've searched the bywater site for "khall's baby", "Kyle's baby pics" and just "baby" and get no results. Obviously the site is using zebra. |
| 19:46 |
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rhcl |
let's see if the google indexer can find them |
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rhcl |
neg |
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mtompset |
rhcl: news on the bywatersolutions site. It was just posted today. Google hasn't indexed it yet. :) |
| 19:52 |
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rhcl |
yep, she looks like Kyle |
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* wajasu |
wonders if we can employ memcached option with zebra itself to cache using the zebra option memcached. |
| 20:20 |
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mtompset |
wajasu: Are you trying to hurt my brain? :P |
| 20:22 |
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wajasu |
well if we cache the marcxml in memcached by doing a zebra search, then when we go grab the marc_record from results, it might be in the cache(RAM) and save the mysql db hit. |
| 20:23 |
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wajasu |
also, the named result sets option would cache a query asa named results set option. then when we do paging, we specifiy the named result set. |
| 20:23 |
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wajasu |
just sayin. |
| 20:24 |
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wajasu |
i started looking into facets. |
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rhcl |
I like watching titans talk about stuff. |
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mtompset |
wizzyrea++ # good point about the lack of link between patron categories and permissions. |
| 21:04 |
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mtompset |
didn't the gods kill the titans? ;) |
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smeagol |
Anyone know why i may be getting this message...? "git: 'bz' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. Did you mean one of these? am gc mv rm" |
| 21:12 |
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smeagol |
Hi all, by the way |
| 21:13 |
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cait |
what did you type? |
| 21:13 |
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cait |
and did you install git bz? |
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wizzyrea |
probably that means you didn't link git-bz into your path |
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wizzyrea |
git-bz |
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wizzyrea |
git bz? |
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wahanui |
git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL |
| 21:20 |
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wizzyrea |
^^ see that link |
| 21:20 |
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smeagol |
yes, installed git bz from instructions, went to do command: git bz appy xxxx and got the above message |
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smeagol |
thought i did, will check path again |
| 21:24 |
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* wizzyrea |
has occasionally reversed the direction of the symlink in a dumb way accidentally |
| 21:24 |
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wizzyrea |
and then it doesn't work :P |
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jcamins |
Note that if you're not using Debian, your default path might not include the directory where you put git-bz. |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
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jcamins |
Also note that git-bz is in a folder called git-bz, which can lead to incorrect symlinking due to tabcomplete. |
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eythian |
hi |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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* wizzyrea |
still thinks category based permissions would be cool. |
| 21:40 |
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wizzyrea |
At least to be able to define by default a set of permissions that a category starts with, a la the "enhanced messaging defaults" |
| 21:44 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: i think maybe have a way to save permission sets |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
and then apply when you create the patron |
| 21:45 |
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wizzyrea |
why not layer that on top of the category? |
| 21:45 |
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cait |
because i don't want to have more than one staff category:) |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
but that's maybe just because of how we set things up |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
i think i#d be happy if go to the permissions page for a patron and have a pull down that gives me an option to choose from sets i defined, like 'cataloguer' 'circ help' or sth like that |
| 21:47 |
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rangi |
would mean having to define a bunch of extra circ rules |
| 21:47 |
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rangi |
if you tied to category |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
yeah, and notice triggers and other things |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
people should not be circulating with their staff accounts. :P |
| 21:48 |
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rangi |
have you ever met library staff? |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
they should not use them as their personal account. |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, yes I have. |
| 21:48 |
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rangi |
there is no should in libraries |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
note the "should" |
| 21:48 |
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cait |
they might still check out things for staff uses |
| 21:48 |
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rangi |
if its possible, they do it |
| 21:48 |
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cait |
and that |
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cait |
also more complicated in reports |
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* wizzyrea |
drops it |
| 21:49 |
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cait |
just 2 different approaches i think :) |
| 21:51 |
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mtompset |
At edit or entry time, you know the permissions you want for a patron, I don't see why the member entry couldn't have a drop down list like cait suggested which defaults the flags. |
| 21:52 |
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wizzyrea |
http://31.media.tumblr.com/cad[…]1rrx588o1_400.gif |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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* mtompset |
gives magnuse a high five. :) |
| 22:05 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 22:09 |
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* magnuse |
kicks off a kohaprofile with 100 commits and 100 iterations, and wonders if it will be done before he wakes up |
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* magnuse |
falls asleep |
| 22:09 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 22:10 |
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dcook |
cait: I like this permission set idea, although I'm not sure how well it would go down with staff |
| 22:11 |
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dcook |
I wonder how it would factor into the sub-permission for controlling permissions.. |
| 22:11 |
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cait |
dcook: i don't think it would change much - just a different way to set all the checkboxes and could still allow for manual |
| 22:11 |
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eythian |
magnuse: you could integrate it with git bisect to find where specific performance issues came about. |
| 22:12 |
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dcook |
I imagine library folk wouldn't like the extra click, or you might have staff who don't know what permissions to assign. |
| 22:12 |
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dcook |
Or they might assign permissions differently across a patron category even though they should be the same |
| 22:12 |
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jcamins |
dcook: then they wouldn't have to use it. |
| 22:12 |
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dcook |
But then they would just say it's broken, jcamins :p |
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jcamins |
dcook: use CSS to hide the selector. Easy peasy. |
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dcook |
Maybe, but what if they're the librarians who wanted to have default permissions by category? :p |
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eythian |
So they both want and don't want it? |
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eythian |
Sounds like they have bigger issues :) |
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dcook |
^ |
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jcamins |
eythian: that sounds redundant. </snark> |
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eythian |
heh |
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dcook |
I suppose at the moment they have to go into "Set permissions" in order to set permissions anyway |
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dcook |
So while it might be an extra click in the add/modify page, it would still save clicks overall |
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dcook |
Actually, permission sets could be really handy. We wrote a little "permission audit" script a while back, but it's rough in comparison to what you could do using permission sets |
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dcook |
That said, the overwhelming majority of new patrons are likely to be actual patrons and not staff... |
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dcook |
Hmm, you CAN tell that I went to library school... |
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* cait |
leaves some cookies and goes to bed ;) |
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dcook |
Cookies! |
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wahanui |
Cookies are delicious delicacies |
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dcook |
Damn now I want chocolate.. |
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mtompset |
So do I, but my snacks are tasteless crackers for a few days. :( |
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dcook |
Tasteless crackers? |
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dcook |
But crackers are awesome! |
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magnuse |
eythian: output will look something like this: http://div.libriotech.no/files[…]19%2023-23-21.png not sure if git-bisect will add anything... |
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mtompset |
dcook: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/i[…]I/5136WCG9GRL.jpg (except mine is cinnamon) |
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eythian |
magnuse: well, it'd be faster as it'd do a binary rather than linear search. But really, it's for a slightly different use case. |
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move_ |
cait-m___ and jcamin: yeah :) after some testing your hints to fix the zebra search issue with plack seems to work for me. thanks for pointing this out |
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magnuse |
eythian: yeah, i think what i want is a time series that can show trends + any spikes over time |
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eythian |
fair enough |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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* magnuse |
falls asleep for real this time |
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bag |
magnuse: HI |
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eythian |
magnuse: later |
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dcook |
All right, re-introducing "OPACItemsResultsDisplay" back into the XSLT... |
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* dcook |
should check that this hasn't already been done |
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dcook |
Which doesn't work as described in the non-XSLT anyway... |
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mtompset |
XSLT? What? Huh? |
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mtompset |
dcook: Oh, on a template level? |
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