IRC log for #koha, 2014-03-20

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01:41 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "zebra facet yaz-client result" (58 lines) at
01:43 wajasu looking into facets.
01:44 dcook Did you set up zebra::facet::title:w in your zebra config?
01:45 dcook You could try zebra::facet::title:0 since you're using ICU
01:48 wajasu i've been putting <retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::facet::title:w"/>  into  ... zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml
01:48 dcook Also, wajasu, I don't think we actually have a "title" index set
01:48 dcook You might try "Title"
01:48 dcook Caps might matter
01:48 * dcook can't remember the actual index he tried out in October
01:48 wajasu i tried, but will try again.
01:49 wajasu got the same thing with Title. let me try 0
01:51 wajasu 0 instead of w get
01:52 wajasu got error
01:52 dcook That's a bit bizarre
01:53 dcook Let's see...I could probably take a few minutes to try this again
01:53 dcook I really need to remember to set up a dev machine one of these days..
01:55 wajasu i even tried the retreival lines from comment 6  from bug  11232
01:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
01:56 dcook Hold on. I'm just getting it set up now :p
02:01 dcook Hmm
02:03 wajasu maybe i forgat to put something in the yazgfs section
02:03 dcook Mmm, I doubt it
02:03 dcook Maybe I forgot to put something in instructions
02:03 dcook wajasu: Are you using a package install?
02:04 wajasu yes
02:04 dcook Have you tried koha-zebra-restart?
02:04 wajasu well i lied.
02:04 dcook lol
02:05 wajasu i created a VM and did koha packages to get dependencies, but then to a kohaclone dev install
02:05 wajasu the VM in about 5 week old.
02:05 wajasu in/is
02:05 dcook In any case, if you can restart zebra itself, try that
02:07 wajasu i have clean db with 3 records i pulled and caltaloged that have "heart" in the title
02:07 wajasu i've rebuild_zebra and restart zebrasrv
02:07 dcook That's not what I said to do :p
02:07 dcook Ah
02:08 dcook I'm thinking that there is something missing in my directions..
02:09 wajasu my  base biblios    find @attr 1=4 heart    gets 4 hits.
02:09 wajasu its the elements line
02:10 dcook Yes, that would be it
02:11 wajasu element zebra::facet::any:w,title:w,title:0       ends up giving me:
02:11 wajasu [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::facet::any:w,title:w,title:0'
02:12 dcook Yeah, same.
02:12 wajasu maybe my retrieval should be combined
02:12 dcook Same for any combo for me at the moment
02:12 dcook O_o
02:13 wajasu i hope its not because its squeeze  and an older zebrasrv yaz-client
02:13 wajasu when you were hacking could it have been a newer compiled version?
02:13 dcook Well, I'll try it on my wheezy vm in a minute
02:13 dcook Well could've been
02:13 dcook Facetting is only supported from Zebra 2....
02:13 dcook 2.1
02:14 dcook Wait..
02:14 wajasu zversion says 3
02:14 dcook Maybe 2.0.20
02:14 wajasu but that may be the default
02:20 wajasu got yaz-client version 4.0.11
02:21 wajasu option   gives:
02:21 wajasu search present delSet triggerResourceCtrl scan sort extendedServices namedResultSets
02:25 wajasu I just recently tried:
02:25 wajasu base biblios
02:26 wajasu format xml
02:26 wahanui format xml is a client side transformation of whatever comes back from the server.
02:26 wajasu elements zebra::facet::itype:w
02:26 wajasu f @attr 1=8031 BK
02:27 wajasu and got 7 hits.   then did a show and got a facet xml response, but text was G/A
02:28 wajasu just grabbed 8031 from the mapping
02:29 dcook G/A ?
02:30 wajasu is see this in the log
02:30 wajasu 21:16:20-19/03 zebrasrv(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01G\x01\x02)/A\x01\x01\x01\x06\x01\x01\x01\x06
02:30 wajasu there is a G  and /A in that string
02:31 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "zebra log" (9 lines) at
02:32 wajasu facet first phase real=0.00 cat=index     might be a lead
02:35 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "zebra log -v all" (188 lines) at
02:39 * mtompset is glad dcook and wajasu are talking zebra and facets. :)
02:54 dcook Aha!
02:54 wajasu Wha?
02:55 dcook I was wondering why it wasn't working on my Debian VM, but it's because I was pointing to the wrong file...
02:56 dcook Alas, that's for package installs
02:57 dcook So not really relevant to the task at hand
02:57 wajasu ok. be right back
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03:00 dcook wajasu: I'm quite confident that the problem is with restarting Zebra
03:00 dcook Double-check your koha-conf.xml to make sure that retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml is the correct file
03:01 wajasu ok
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03:05 dcook So yeah...I think the problem is making sure you're changing the correct file, and then making sure that Zebra is restarting correctly
03:15 mtompset dcook: less kohaclone/debian/scripts/koha-restart-zebra
03:15 mtompset look for the lone daemon line. ;)
03:15 mtompset ^lone^long^
03:15 dcook Yeah, I already looked there
03:16 dcook I don't have root access for my dev install in any case, so it looks like I'll have to ask someone else to do it
03:16 mtompset You don't have root access for your dev install?!
03:17 dcook It's not my server :p
03:17 dcook Someone else runs it
03:17 dcook I just provide the code :p
03:17 mtompset So then... why don't you have a VM for your own development?
03:18 dcook I don't really have my own development
03:18 dcook But I do have a VM and I use packages and gitify :p
03:18 dcook And we wind back up at the beginning where I have to ask someone else to restart zebra in this case :p
03:18 mtompset I have 13 VM's to play with. :)
03:18 * mtompset shouts, "MORE VMS!"
03:19 * mtompset grins.
03:59 dcook Ahhh!
03:59 dcook I'm awesome!
03:59 * dcook does a little dance
03:59 dcook It was so obvious in the end
03:59 dcook Gahhh
04:00 dcook Too much excitement. Not enough outlet...
04:00 wizzyrea hehe
04:00 dcook We're doing our Zebra config all wrong for facets
04:00 wizzyrea that is unsurprising to me.
04:01 dcook Initial testing suggests that it'll be so easy to access Zebra's special element set
04:01 dcook[…]ls.retrieval.html
04:01 dcook It specifies that "name" is optional...
04:01 dcook Wait...
04:01 dcook I need to double-check things
04:01 * dcook halts the celebration
04:01 dcook I might be an idiot still
04:03 dcook Nope! I was right!
04:03 * dcook continues dancing
04:04 dcook We just need "<retrieval syntax="xml"/>" at the bottom within <retrievalinfo>
04:04 dcook Then we regain access to the Zebra special retrieval elements
04:04 dcook That we lost by using <retrievalinfo> in the first place
04:05 dcook hdl posed the question in June 2009 and now there is an answer :)
04:30 dcook @later tell wajasu take a look at bug 11232 again. I've updated the instructions.
04:30 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
04:32 wajasu trying out
04:33 dcook It only fixes one of the problems though it appears..
04:33 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "Zebra output on non-package install" (25 lines) at
04:35 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "Zebra facet output on package install" (51 lines) at
04:40 dcook Hmm, I'm using DOM for both of them..
04:40 dcook Not sure about ICU
04:41 dcook Interesting...
04:41 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
04:41 wajasu my koha-conf has a bunch of retrieval entries as well as the included one.
04:42 dcook Yeah, those are fallbacks
04:42 dcook It looks like my package install is non-ICU, while my tarball install is ICU
04:45 wajasu i haven't had any success yet.
04:45 dcook I doubt you will while using ICU
04:45 wajasu remind me how to turn off icu
04:45 dcook Although if you replaced all the specific zebra::facet::*:* type entries with just a <retrieval syntax="xml"/> you should be able to do any facet you want in yaz
04:46 dcook You'll need to change default.idx
04:46 dcook Possibly somewhere else. I'm not sure.
04:46 dcook I do have an idea though..
04:47 wajasu now things make sense.  those index w and index p  definitions in there link stuff up
04:48 dcook Link stuff up?
04:49 wajasu the index w, and index p,  must have to do with    zebra::facet::Title:p    and such
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04:50 wajasu can u paste your default.idx
04:50 dcook Yeah, "zebra::facet::Title:p" would be a facet for the title phrase index
04:53 wajasu i suppose i can do another make and choose chr
05:03 dcook Ooo
05:03 dcook wajasu: With your ICU install, try a facet of "itype:w"
05:03 dcook That's working for me
05:04 dcook As does pubdate
05:05 dcook wth...
05:05 dcook Suddenly title is working now too
05:06 dcook wajasu: Try something like "elements zebra::facet::Title:w,itype:w,pubdate:w,rtype:w" with ICU
05:06 dcook For some reason, it's working great
05:06 dcook Oh I wonder..
05:07 dcook Oh's because I'm an idiot
05:07 dcook Probably at least
05:07 wajasu i haven't had any luck yet
05:08 dcook I switched back to non-ICU and that's why it was working..derp derp
05:09 wajasu ok i'll try switching back to non-ICU
05:09 dcook Use "charmap word-phrase-utf.chr" instead of "icuchain words-icu.xml" in default.idx for whatever index type you want to try
05:09 dcook's not a great solution if it doesn't work for ICU..
05:09 wajasu i'll copy my default.idx fromt he package install into my kohadev
05:09 dcook That's certainly one way to do it, if your package install doesn't use ICU
05:10 dcook Doesn't hurt to understand what's going on in the config files though :p
05:11 dcook Of course, the reason it might not seem to work with ICU might be because the terminal isn't expecting utf8..
05:14 wajasu i am thinking its a character conversion thing as well
05:15 dcook Hmm, I just told yaz-client to use UTF-8 and that's not working..
05:15 wajasu maybe inputcharset outputcharset stuff
05:15 dcook Yeah, I changed the output
05:17 dcook Hmm, none of those options are doing much
05:23 wajasu[…]nuary/001859.html
05:25 wajasu[…]April/002190.html
05:25 dcook Interesting
05:25 wahanui i think Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
05:25 dcook Gotta love how their bugzilla links are broken..
05:26 wajasu :)
05:28 dcook Would you post those links on Bugzilla?
05:28 dcook Probably makes more sense to focus on ElasticSearch and/or Solr anyway :p
05:30 dcook the :0 thing might fix this but I'm not sure..
05:31 wajasu i did get facet counts working, where i retrieve all the results records (marcxml) and inspect hidden etc.  but what if the system is big like 1million records.
05:32 dcook How do you mean that you got facet counts working?
05:32 dcook As in, at the Perl code level?
05:33 dcook Indexdata claims that Zebra special retrieval elements should work faster than using marcxml
05:33 wajasu yes.  the other day.  i have a bug 11909 that i was working with mtompset
05:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11909 major, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, ASSIGNED , Fix hidelostitems, OpacHiddenItems total count, prog them facet display
05:33 mtompset -- which by the way is on my "get back to quickly" list.
05:34 mtompset I should go. I need sleep.
05:34 mtompset Have a great day, #koha wajasu dcook. :)
05:34 dcook Then I'm not sure of the relevancy
05:34 dcook ta mtompset
05:34 dcook I suspect that querying Zebra for facets from a million results would be a lot faster than iterating through a million results to generate a facet list
05:34 dcook Not that that was what you were precisely saying of course :p
05:35 wajasu i agree.  that why i was investigating the facets.
05:35 wajasu now that i inderstand search so well.
05:37 wajasu what i wish i could do is query zebra and just get back the biblionumber (Local-number) for a search.  so i can grab items from the DB and count facets myself.
05:38 wajasu but we get back a marcxml chunk and must decode with MARC::Record.
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05:39 wajasu what i noticed with my patch is as i went through more than N records that a syspref restricts,  the resulting 5 facets for author changed.
05:41 wajasu so then you start realizing how much is left out.   when i increased the number from 5 to 100, the catalog got more interesting because i saw more writers who wrote on a topic, or such.
05:41 wajasu so i was learning about new authors, etc.
05:41 wajasu so i think facets are worth it.
05:43 dcook I didn't really follow most of what you said there, but yeah...the current way of doing facets really sucks
05:43 dcook There might be some hope though:[…]ruary/002563.html
05:43 dcook Probably unrelated though
05:44 wajasu i'm sure if we could read the source code we could find out, and see if there is any ICU support code.
05:46 dcook Alas, I don't know, and I have other things to do :/
05:46 dcook Definitely learned something today though and we are farther than we were
05:47 wajasu yup
05:47 wajasu thx
05:49 dcook You're welcome. It was interesting!
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06:40 paxed how does the cataloguer set the framework used for a record?
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06:49 wajasu when i search (z3950) and get the Add MaRC Record page, there is a default framework dropdown.  if other framework mappings have been setup by the admiin, i would expect they would be avaiable.
06:51 indradg good morning #koha
06:55 magnuse happy equinox, #koha!
07:04 paxed hm. any reason why 008 value builder doesn't know how show the type of material correctly? (eg. LDR/06=a and LDR/07=s, 008 builder shows BKS, when it should show CR)
07:04 paxed marc21^
07:08 * cait waves
07:09 paxed ah, it's bug 9093
07:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9093 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , 008 forgetting what material type was chosen
07:09 paxed lovely.
07:11 paxed our cataloguer just had a fit over that.
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07:29 alex_a bonjour
07:43 paxed so, is there any kind of ETA for Rancor?
07:44 magnuse bug 11559 is currently "failed qa"
07:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Professional cataloger's interface
07:45 paxed because the current cataloguing system is bad.
07:45 magnuse so pianohacker will have to fix the issues and then it will go through signoff, qa and getting pushed by the rm
07:45 magnuse there was quite some interest around it in marseille, so i think it will make it into 3.16
07:45 magnuse but you never know...
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07:46 Joubu hello
07:46 wahanui what's up, Joubu
07:46 paxed i have no idea how the koha maintainers haven't been killed by cataloguers.
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07:48 reiveune hellok
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07:54 paxed what is the reserveconstraints table for?
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08:11 cait good morning #koha
08:16 magnuse kia ora cait
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08:26 cait morning magnuse and paul_p
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08:28 marcelr hi #koha
08:43 magnuse hiya marcelr
08:43 marcelr hi magnuse
08:43 wahanui hi magnuse are you spending much time in oslo?
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08:48 cait wahanui forget hi magnuse
08:48 wahanui cait: I forgot hi magnuse
08:48 cait hi marcelr - thx for continuing :)
08:49 cait marcelr++
08:49 marcelr hi cait
08:49 marcelr continue what btw
08:49 cait QA
08:49 marcelr ok now i see :)
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09:05 Hopla Hey koha i just upgraded frop 3.8 to 3.12 i have some problems with my old css file so i want to make a new one only i find there are 2 now (i wanted to copy one to edit it) one in ccsr and one in prog ... in 3.8 there was only 1 so i should copy both or just 1 in a new local css file ?
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09:09 cait ccsr and prog are themes
09:09 cait each has it's own css file
09:09 cait but don't change the default css
09:09 Hopla i wont
09:09 cait ok :)
09:09 cait you can just add your things to opacusercss system preference
09:09 cait then you don't need to care about the files and it will just overwrite the default
09:09 cait if you want to use a file, there are other preferences
09:10 cait the theme you use can be found out by looking at the opacthemes system preference
09:10 Hopla sec
09:10 Hopla ok im using prog
09:12 cait ccsr is going to go away with 3.16 probably, it's responsive, but there is a new theme bootstrap since 3.14 that's going to be the new and only default theme at some point
09:12 Hopla so if i make a copy off the opac.css edited it and point to it in opaclayoutstylesheet it would be ok
09:12 cait if you worked like that in the past, it should work again
09:12 Hopla ow
09:13 Hopla thx fr the info :)
09:13 cait if you only have minor changes, i'd recomment just changing what you want to change and use opacusercss - it's bit easier to maintain
09:13 cait sure
09:13 Hopla aha
09:13 Hopla searching that one
09:14 cait yu can put in the css there directly and change anytime by logging in
09:14 cait also on updating, you won't miss the changes from the new css, so probably less work to make it fit again
09:15 Hopla ill try i only change logo + colours so
09:20 cait ah yeah, probably easier then :)
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09:54 vfernandes hi :)
09:54 cait hi vfernandes :)
09:54 vfernandes where I can see the koha roadmap and new features/enhacements for 3.16?
09:56 cait you could do a search in bugzilla
09:56 cait for pushed since last release
09:56 cait you can create searches by status change - that should work
09:56 cait and master as version
09:57 vfernandes i thought there was a simple way :D
09:57 cait there is also a release notes script that can be fun - it's on the  git repo
09:58 cait it's still a bit time to go, so hard to tell what will make it
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09:58 cait i woud look at what's already pushed
09:58 cait i think it was get-bugs.pö
09:59 cait .pl -[…]30ed94fabd6db4ea0
09:59 cait hi petter
09:59 petter hi cait!
10:03 magnuse kia ora petter!
10:03 petter hei magnus!
10:03 magnuse cait: .pö - is that for german perl scripts? ;-)
10:03 vfernandes but there is any new features that you have any information cait?
10:06 cait i'd have to think - there are some :) the dashboard always shows the last five enh/features pushed
10:07 cait
10:07 wahanui are the better stats to optimise
10:14 magnuse enhancements and new features pushed to master since 2013-11-22:[…]%20apply&bug_stat
10:14 magnuse us=Pushed%20to%20Master&bug_status=Pushed%2​0to%20Stable&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status​=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=BLOC​KED&chfield=bug_status&chfieldfrom=2013-11-​22&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=Pushed%20to%2​0master&list_id=93066&query_format=advanced
10:14 magnuse whoa, that's a long url
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10:15 magnuse short version:
10:16 magnuse hm, it just shows one new feature - everything might not be correctly tagged...
10:17 cait i think we are quite strict with 'new feature' but not so many more modules we can write... so maybe we should be a bit less strict :)
10:18 magnuse :-)
10:18 magnuse well, there are some features waiting to get in, i guess
10:18 magnuse like rancor
10:22 cait hm i forgot to make tea today.
10:22 * cait wanders off
10:23 vfernandes thanks magnuse and cait
10:51 magnuse woohoo - bug 10003
10:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash
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11:22 francharb good morning
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11:38 * magnuse will have french cheese for lunch, but only one kind...
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12:05 drojf hi #koha
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12:16 oleonard Hi #koha
12:17 cait hi oleonard :)
12:20 nlegrand hey #koha !
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12:55 oleonard Seems like people are entering search terms into Koha list emails like it's Google.
12:57 drojf it isn't? ;)
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13:34 kivilahtio m de rooy
13:34 kivilahtio does anyone now his nick?
13:34 oleonard irc regulars?
13:34 wahanui irc regulars is at
13:35 kivilahtio oleonard: thanks :D
13:35 kivilahtio marcelr: about bug 11974
13:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Enable unix socket connections for database connections.
13:35 marcelr hi kivilahtio
13:35 kivilahtio hi there :D
13:36 kivilahtio good suggestion btw
13:36 kivilahtio I am not very good with
13:36 marcelr :)
13:36 kivilahtio or make whatsovere
13:36 kivilahtio it is bad for my health
13:36 marcelr you can do it !
13:36 kivilahtio I was hoping you could do it
13:36 marcelr ;)
13:36 kivilahtio that would force you to sign off my patch
13:36 kivilahtio and I could sig of your pathc
13:37 kivilahtio this way we both get a sign off and commit
13:37 kivilahtio win win
13:37 kivilahtio you scratch my back i scratch yours?
13:37 marcelr better offer?
13:37 kivilahtio :)
13:37 kivilahtio I'll take a look ral quick
13:37 kivilahtio but if ANY issues arise...
13:37 marcelr so good
13:37 markvandenborre I am looking into the best way to simplify entry of sheet music books into koha
13:38 markvandenborre we only keep a relatively minor subset of metadata about them
13:38 markvandenborre any pointers towards relevant bits of documentation?
13:38 cait markvandenborre: sounds like you might want to use a custom framework
13:38 markvandenborre cait: as in not koha?
13:39 markvandenborre there seem to be provisions in koha for sheet music...
13:39 markvandenborre even ISMN (sheet music) numbering lookup
13:39 cait hm?
13:40 cait a custom framework would be just a catalouging form defined witht he fields you want to use
13:40 cait to make data entry easier
13:40 cait a bibliographic framework
13:40 cait are you using marc21 or unimarc?
13:40 markvandenborre right, I was already guessing that this was some bilbiographic or koha specific terminology, not a custom web framewrork :-)
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13:41 markvandenborre unimarc iirc, I chose the EU specific version
13:41 cait unimarc is only used in a few countries
13:41 cait france, italy...
13:41 markvandenborre Belgium?
13:41 cait depending on where you are located marc21 might make sense
13:41 markvandenborre what am I going to get the best support on?
13:41 cait i can't really tell you, maybe look what your national library uses, or what z39.50 servers in your regions use
13:41 markvandenborre ok
13:42 cait germany is all marc21 now
13:42 cait but that's something that is hard to change later
13:42 cait because the formats are different
13:42 cait so worth investigating a bit
13:42 markvandenborre it's not incredibly important
13:42 markvandenborre very small library
13:42 markvandenborre 2702 books
13:42 cait also documentation about the format
13:42 markvandenborre some audio cd's and only a tiny number of dvd's
13:43 cait both formats are similar and then very different
13:43 markvandenborre with no big increase on either a close or faraway horizon
13:43 cait in which fields are used
13:43 markvandenborre can you point me at more specific docs about this "custom framework" reference you just made
13:43 markvandenborre "custom framework" is horrible as a web search term
13:43 cait look in the manual for bibliographic frameworks
13:43 petter olli: about your socket patch -  did you measure the speedup yourself?
13:43 petter 30-40%
13:44 petter is it for real?
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13:46 markvandenborre heh, the links to the manual dropped off my screen
13:47 markvandenborre when I clicked the documentation page
13:47 markvandenborre so I just now looked at it more closely
13:47 markvandenborre they were entirely invisible when arriving to
13:48 markvandenborre don't know if there's anyone with the ambition to make the docs more prominent, but it would have helped stupid me
13:49 markvandenborre the manual seems to be quite comprehensive
13:55 markvandenborre cait: so the idea is I remove all the tags I don't need from a copy of the default framework, correct?
13:55 marcelr cait: bug 9032
13:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Share a list
13:56 marcelr i would have preferred to not include the notices for all the other languages at all :)
13:56 marcelr but that project got killed rather quickly
13:57 markvandenborre just answered my own question here after reading the f*cking manual
13:58 marcelr ga zo door markvandenborre
13:59 markvandenborre marcelr: I was hoping to find an easy way to delete tens of tags we don't need at once
13:59 markvandenborre am I overlooking something
13:59 markvandenborre or is that just not possible?
13:59 marcelr command line?
14:00 markvandenborre marcelr: where is this even stored, I presume in the sql db
14:00 marcelr you mean user tags or marc tags? btw..
14:01 markvandenborre I have made a copy of the default framework, which I suppose contains only marc tags
14:01 markvandenborre and I'm deleting all kinds of information from that
14:02 marcelr ok you mean tags in framework
14:02 markvandenborre with the goal of creating a very _simple_
14:02 marcelr you can hide them
14:02 markvandenborre ah? please tell me more about that?
14:02 marcelr look for tables marc_tag.. marc_subfield.. etc (please see the docs :)
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14:03 cait markvandenborre: better not delete but hide
14:03 cait in my experience
14:03 cait and you can use export/import and edit as spreadsheet
14:04 markvandenborre ok... so now the question becomes how to "hide"
14:04 cait export from koha
14:04 * markvandenborre starts looking through the manual
14:04 cait i think -5 shoudl do it
14:04 cait in the hideen
14:04 markvandenborre this feels like very much a welcoming irc channel, more so than many others
14:05 marcelr this feels like a quote :)
14:05 markvandenborre thank you
14:05 marcelr you can add quotes via a bot
14:06 markvandenborre thank you for the info, but I'm more interested in getting this up and running
14:07 markvandenborre cait: -5? hideen?
14:07 markvandenborre I have this export open in libreoffice now
14:07 cait first
14:07 cait ah
14:07 cait there is a hidden column
14:07 cait in the spreadsheet
14:08 markvandenborre there is no column with the header "hidden" as far as I can see
14:08 markvandenborre but maybe you mean something more magic?
14:10 markvandenborre I see column headers tagfield, liblibrarian, libopac, repeatable, mandatory, authorised_value, frameworkcode
14:10 markvandenborre ah
14:10 markvandenborre there is more info lower in the csv
14:15 markvandenborre so for a lot of info, this is clear enough
14:17 markvandenborre is there some overview page where I can find the meaning of all these unimarc fields?
14:17 markvandenborre some are quite cryptic
14:17 jcamins unimarc?
14:17 wahanui i guess unimarc is[…]ted-documentation
14:18 pastebot "petter" at pasted "bug 11974 before / after benchmarking" (34 lines) at
14:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Enable unix socket connections for database connections.
14:30 petter kivilahtio: I get a minor speeup from using domain sockets, from few percent to at best 19% faster
14:30 kivilahtio petter: how are you testing?
14:30 petter I'd be happy to sign of
14:30 petter by the benchmarking scripts in misc/load_testing
14:30 petter check the linked paste
14:30 petter
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14:31 nengard oleonard around?
14:31 oleonard Yes
14:31 kivilahtio petter: a sec I almost have the Makefile.PL modified
14:32 nengard I have a library that wants to hide the guarantor info on the child record add/edit form
14:32 nengard the borrowerunwanted field isn't working
14:32 nengard and the section has no id
14:32 nengard tips on hiding it with jquery?
14:32 marcelr kivilahtio++
14:32 kivilahtio it is a pain :)
14:32 kivilahtio and I can feel the maintenance issues
14:33 petter hm, now that i look at it actually some benchmarks are slower
14:33 petter needs more testings
14:33 petter more benchmarks i mean
14:34 oleonard nengard: I shouldn't even ask, but... Why do they want to hide it?
14:34 nengard i don't know the answer to that ... I just do what i'm asked to do :)
14:34 nengard Probably they don't want to link the child to an adult but do want other child functionality like the j to a cron
14:35 oleonard Do they think you can't create a child record without going through the "add child" link?
14:35 oleonard What does it have to do with the J to A cron?
14:36 nengard wait
14:36 nengard i had a typo let me see if it works now
14:37 nengard Yes you can ...
14:37 nengard create a child without going through that link
14:37 kivilahtio petter: marcelr: go for it! bug 11974
14:37 nengard you just go to 'New Patron'
14:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Enable unix socket connections for database connections.
14:37 nengard and choose the patron type you want :)
14:37 nengard and the J to A Cron turns a child to an adult when they reach the right age per the patron category
14:38 marcelr kivilahtio: i will be looking at it (in some stage of the process)
14:38 marcelr but not now
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14:39 oleonard nengard: I'll give up trying to understand, but I think their request might indicate a misunderstanding of how Koha works on their part that you might want to investigate.
14:39 oleonard nengard: $("legend:contains('Guarantor information')").parent().hide();
14:41 petter olli - how to test the Makefile stuff. I always installed using packages then gitify..
14:41 petter ?
14:45 kivilahtio petter: erm
14:45 kivilahtio petter: go to the folder where your INSTALL.ubuntu is
14:46 kivilahtio petter: maybe the easiest way is to use those fancy virtual sandboxes you have
14:47 kivilahtio petter: but from the INSTALL.ubuntu folder, run perl Makefile.PL
14:47 kivilahtio answer questions
14:47 kivilahtio make
14:47 kivilahtio make test
14:47 kivilahtio nano blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml
14:47 petter So does the packages use the Makefile in anyway?
14:48 kivilahtio see if mysql_socket is there with hte value you gave
14:48 kivilahtio petter: no idea
14:48 petter If packages are the recommended & preferred way, who uses the perl Makefile way?
14:48 kivilahtio but if you have the source from git, you should have Makefile.PL
14:48 petter off course
14:48 petter I have it
14:48 kivilahtio petter: don't ask me
14:48 kivilahtio petter: if you do crazy stuff like me you will enjoy the Makefile.PL
14:48 petter haha
14:48 petter never
14:49 petter Anyway, I did some more benchmarkings
14:49 kivilahtio I dont think you need to do make install (to overwrite your configs)
14:49 petter It seem indeed to be about 10% speed up on average
14:49 petter ok
14:49 kivilahtio just verify that the file there is modified
14:49 petter sure, got it
14:50 petter Did you run the benchmarking scripts?
14:50 kivilahtio i tried, i failed miserably
14:50 kivilahtio I will write my own
14:50 petter but its easy
14:50 kivilahtio I got like 100% error
14:50 kivilahtio dunno
14:50 kivilahtio need to take a look there
14:50 kivilahtio but now i need to configure zebra + mariadb + koha with unix sockets
14:50 petter cpan install HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench
14:50 petter then run the scripts
14:50 kivilahtio yeah
14:51 kivilahtio like i said i got some errors
14:51 petter you should measure!
14:51 kivilahtio jaja
14:51 petter if not you dont know if it works
14:51 kivilahtio could be
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15:55 nengard anyone around to help me find a bug report?
15:55 nengard I'm looking for a bug report I think we have that talks about the date shown for serials in the opac
15:55 nengard how it's not the date every library wants to see
16:02 reiveune bye
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16:15 wajasu nengard: maybe bug 8296
16:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add descriptive (text) published date field for serials
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16:56 bag magnuse: HELLO there
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17:09 pianohacker hello
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17:27 mtompset Greetings, #koha/.
17:30 rhcl hihi
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17:34 magnuse bag: HI
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17:52 Brooke o/
17:57 francharb \o
17:57 Brooke we gots us any big city fancy pants label makin' folkses?
18:04 Brooke gadzukes there are actual pictures in the label creator :)
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18:11 wajasu should i start testing signoffs with wheezy for master from now on?
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18:18 mtompset wajasu: What do you mean?
18:22 wajasu i wasn't sure if squeeze is the target debian, or wheezy.  i wondered if i needed to build my test VM with wheezy
18:30 mtompset I would guess that squeeze is okay until some time in 2015. :)
18:30 mtompset
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18:32 alphaman Anybody have any experience using John Wohler's sip2.class.php? I'm having trouble getting a stable connection to 3.14 with it.
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18:51 mtompset Did you just ask about PHP?
18:51 mtompset @karma php
18:51 huginn mtompset: php has neutral karma.
18:52 mtompset @karma perl
18:52 huginn mtompset: perl has neutral karma.
18:52 alphaman yup. sorry...
18:52 alphaman I was worried I'd get neutralized...
18:52 mtompset No need to apologize. Everyone does it. They are just ashamed to admit it. ;)
18:53 alphaman In all fairness, I've been doing Perl far longer than PHP…
18:53 alphaman sometimes you just gotta dig down in the muck to find a solution
18:55 alphaman yay, tho I walk through the valley of PHP, I shall fear no evil, for Perl is my shepherd, I shall not stack dump…
18:58 rhcl alphaman: just out of curiosity are you trying to connect some specific app to Koha?
19:03 alphaman homegrown. trying to auth patron's cards for our Drupal server so they can access our online resources
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20:24 nengard hmm jenkins isn't helping me - he's not telling me why the manual is failing :( -- "No problems were identified. If you know why this problem occurred, please add a suitable Cause for it"
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20:25 nengard I can't make it stop failing if you don't tell me what I did wrong jenkins!!
20:25 nengard :(
20:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #460: STILL FAILING in 5.3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/460/
20:27 bag nengard: can you get to where the docs are?
20:27 mtompset @later tell papa So tired trying to figure out bug 11213 test plan. I think I finally got it.
20:27 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
20:27 nengard bag you mean git? yes
20:27 nengard usually jenkins emails me though with the exact error
20:27 nengard he's being a .... not nice bot .... today
20:27 magnuse it fails awfully fast...
20:28 mtompset "Cannot allocate memory" That's the problem, I figure.
20:28 mtompset nengard: Can you reboot the machine it is building on?
20:28 nengard not sure what machine that is ....
20:28 magnuse i can see "ERROR: Workspace has a .git repository, but it appears to be corrupt." here: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_Docs/460/console
20:28 nengard I type my fancy git commands and it magically updates
20:28 nengard bag is it on our server?
20:29 mtompset nengard: free -m
20:29 mtompset How much is left?
20:29 mtompset When the script runs, it probably is a memory hog.
20:29 bag mtompset: are you talking about the git server?  or the jenkins server?
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20:29 magnuse i also see "Building remotely on Galen in workspace /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Docs" - maybe gmcharlt knows something about it?
20:29 mtompset http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_Docs/460/console
20:30 mtompset ERROR: Workspace has a .git repository, but it appears to be corrupt.
20:30 mtompset ewww....
20:31 nengard is it corrupt on my local machine? or is that something that I have no control over?
20:31 nengard it all seems okay from my end
20:32 magnuse yeah, looks like a problem on the jenkins server
20:33 nengard whew
20:33 nengard so i'm all good :)
20:34 magnuse from that console output it looks like the git repo on the jenkins server is corrupt, maybe because of some lack of memory (is my guess, based on looking at the error messages)
20:35 bag nengard what are you doing to gmcharlt's memory :P
20:35 nengard breaking it
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20:39 nengard :P
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20:55 rangi its not actually corrupt
20:55 rangi its just the box is out of ram
20:55 rangi not on the jenkins server either, but on galens node
20:56 mtompset rangi++ # yay for a diagnosis. :)
20:56 Dyrcona gmcharlt is giving a presentation. I'll let him know after he's finished.
20:57 * cait waves
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20:59 rangi Dyrcona: thanks, ill disable the node for the time being
21:00 rangi
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21:09 magnuse so Viktor's public library has been testing koha under plack on a server i set up for them, and it has not blown up while they have been testing the functions they usually use
21:10 magnuse they are now begging me to let them test koha+plack for one day in real use :-)
21:10 rangi sweet, we run the opac under plack in production
21:10 rangi however without fixing the zconn subroutine
21:10 rangi in C4::Context
21:11 rangi it isnt safe, it randomly gives no search results (connection has gone away)
21:11 rangi but if you fix that, its mostly safe enough, (there are more issues but we plan on fixing them soon)
21:15 magnuse rangi: cool. and "the zconn subroutine" would be fixed by your patch which is floating around somewhere?
21:15 magnuse if there are known issues it would be really good to have them documented somewhere
21:15 rangi yep thats the plan
21:16 rangi but sysprefs is one
21:16 rangi fixing the memcached config is another
21:16 rangi we cant be having env variables in apache ..
21:18 eythian hi
21:18 magnuse "sysprefs is one" - does that mean there is a problem with sysprefs in general, or that changing them can be troublesome?
21:18 magnuse hiya eythian
21:22 * cait waves
21:23 * magnuse waves to cait
21:23 pianohacker hi all
21:23 magnuse hiya pianohacker
21:24 pianohacker hey magnuse
21:24 pianohacker how was your flight back?
21:24 magnuse looong :-)
21:24 magnuse well, not as long as yours, but...
21:24 cait hi pianohacker
21:24 cait :)
21:25 magnuse we left our apartment at 05:00 am and arrived at home at 20:00 pm
21:25 magnuse 3 flights and lots of waiting
21:25 magnuse pianohacker: how was yours?
21:25 pianohacker magnuse: past a certain point, it's just long and exhausting
21:25 magnuse yeah...
21:26 * cait nods
21:26 magnuse leonard is now ~22 months and has flown 22 times
21:26 pianohacker magnuse: mine was decent. Got patted down twice, really should have shaved, and customs in the US was way understaffed, but everything happened in time :)
21:27 magnuse that is something :-)
21:27 pianohacker magnuse: wow. I hope you don't keep that up, that's a lot of time in the air!
21:32 magnuse pianohacker: it is. huge carbon footprint for a small boy. it will be a lot less once he starts kindergarten and his mothers starts working again...
21:33 pianohacker ahh, yeah... he's coming with you to oslo, I'm guessing?
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21:37 magnuse not so far, but we have talked about spending a couple weeks there before summer
21:37 magnuse we'll see
21:37 * magnuse wanders off
21:37 pianohacker bye
21:41 tcohen rangi: has anyone profilled if caching syspref fetching is worth the trouble?
21:41 tcohen i guess mysql has to be good for caching such trivial queries
21:42 jcamins tcohen: it is *not*.
21:42 eythian jcamins: which comment are you refuting?
21:43 jcamins Oh.
21:43 jcamins Right.
21:43 tcohen the second?
21:43 wahanui the second is, like, by design
21:43 jcamins tcohen: yes, I've profiled, and it's not worth it.
21:43 jcamins Maybe with Plack it could be worthwhile, but that's kind of iffy, too.
21:43 jcamins And the absolute worst thing you can do performance-wise is to preload all the sysprefs.
21:44 bag right
21:46 jcamins Well, no, the worst thing you can do performance-wise is preload all the sysprefs and discard them all.
21:46 jcamins Or, I suppose, try to cache the entire database.
21:47 eythian yeah, it's worth noting that in many cases deserialisation can be pretty expensive.
21:48 jcamins It's better if you're using JSON::XS, but it's still bad.
21:48 eythian I found a case a little while ago where the memoisation of a function made it slower.
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21:49 eythian (because it was doing its own internal caching anyway, which has its own problems. But someone had added the memoisation without benchmarking before/after.)
21:49 wajasu could it be worth using the memcached option for zebra queries?  and possibly namedResults for paging
21:49 eythian zebra is not something that is slow.
21:49 eythian you do a search and profile it, zebra doesn't really show up at all.
21:49 tcohen fetching the frameworks is
21:49 bag it's just a pain :P
21:49 eythian frameworks are slow.
21:49 wajasu premature optimization then
21:50 eythian they should be handled in a better way.
21:50 tcohen question: would it be a bad thing to force a collation for SQL queries on the Perl side?
21:51 wajasu what if the mapping framework could be generated as an XSLT transform that zebra uses and maybe we return MARC as JSON
21:51 wajasu just a wild idea
21:51 eythian nothing about that sounds like it's likely to be an improvement :)
21:51 tcohen MiJ++
21:52 jcamins Well, MiJ is faster than Marcxml.
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21:52 tcohen i was looking for a way to have dbic tell me the attributes of a db connection (character set, collation)
21:52 eythian http://debian.koha-community.o[…]h-cached/nytprof/ <-- wajasu, start here.
21:53 tcohen and found that we could actually force those from the code
21:53 jcamins (n.b. this was not a vote for making a change like that, just observing that MiJ is faster)
21:53 eythian http://debian.koha-community.o[…]obin/opac-search/ <-- or here for a version with memcache off.
21:54 rangi the thing for remembering with caching
21:54 rangi its not for speed
21:54 rangi its for scalability
21:54 rangi memcached scales more easily than mysql
21:55 wajasu i wish i could get the biblionumbers for a resultset from zebra without having to process the marcxml chunk.  then i could write batched queries against the db to determine if an item is hidden.
21:56 tcohen you can do it
21:56 tcohen jcamins knows how :-P
21:57 tcohen eythian: the cached version takes longer?
21:57 eythian yes
21:58 tcohen found the bottelneck?
21:58 pianohacker rangi: that reminds me, did you get a chance to look at the Koha::Database slowness?
21:58 rangi nope, ive been buried in ncip
21:59 pianohacker that's a heavy, smelly pile to be buried in good sir
21:59 eythian tcohen: it's mentioned on bug 11051
21:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11051 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Performance of opac-search
22:01 wajasu by the way, is it better to run C4::Context::preference once at the top of the script instead of in the loops latter when deciding to process?
22:02 eythian you should avoid calling functions in loops anyway, just to be safe.
22:02 eythian (in general, anyway.)
22:03 eythian (often it's not optional, but if you can readily store something in your own namespace, it's probably good to.)
22:03 eythian but again, premature optimisation etc etc.
22:03 eythian so do what looks best and then see.
22:03 eythian if your loop happens 5 times, no one cares. If it happens 5,000 times, then maybe worth refactoring.
22:03 eythian your profiler will let you know.
22:05 wajasu is opac-search really geared toward returning 1000 results.  since the zebra sort seems like its configured for that many results.
22:05 eythian I don't really know, I've not look at that sort of thing very deeply.
22:07 wajasu i know we git the hits, then page around 20 per page, so we grab 20 marcxmls to present.
22:07 tcohen actually 1000 might be a low value
22:08 wajasu when the build facets runs it also has a max records to preocess syspref and that constrains the amount of marcxml and then the mysql db items retrived to calucalte facet counters.
22:09 tcohen facets aren't even facets
22:09 * tcohen hides
22:09 wajasu true
22:10 wajasu but we must process all the items for the biblionumbers for a given result set.
22:11 tcohen context?
22:11 wahanui i think context is everything?
22:12 wajasu i'm wondering if i can just generate chunked queries supplying a subset of the biblionumbers, that use the where clause to match the OpacHideItem rules.
22:12 tcohen ask zebra for several biblionumbers for using them?
22:13 bag @quote random
22:13 huginn bag: Quote #175: "*oleonard is waiting for a good scientist -> hulk patron category transition script" (added by wizzyrea at 03:44 PM, January 04, 2012)
22:13 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
22:14 wajasu got to run.
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23:33 pianohacker amen
23:47 gmcharlt rangi: jenkins slave process got bloated; I've killed it and put it back in the cluster
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23:52 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
23:52 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
23:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #38: FIXED in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.14.x/38/
23:52 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update local cover images info
23:52 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
23:52 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 20.6°C (8:50 PM ART on March 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
23:56 dcook tcohen: How long until you head to London? :)
23:56 dcook @wunder london, england
23:56 huginn dcook: The current temperature in London, United Kingdom is 8.0°C (11:50 PM GMT on March 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
23:56 pianohacker bye
23:56 dcook ta, pianohacker
23:56 pianohacker cya dcook
23:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #59 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #51 1 day 10 hr ago)
23:59 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
23:59 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
23:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #59: FIXED in 1 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.12.x/59/
23:59 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update local cover images info

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