IRC log for #koha, 2013-09-08

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01:33 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10272: (follow-up) add regression test <[…]6f40c539333e8ebbc> / Bug 10272: make CheckReserves respect ReservesControlBranch <[…]2356b004e7bfcecff> / Bug 10584 - Hide OPAC biblio details if all items are hidden <
01:43 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10324: fix display of editorial series in normal view (UNIMARC / no XSLT) <[…]01fcde36f2a996dfa>
01:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10349 - Don't show empty Descriptions/Title notes tabs in OPAC and staff <[…]f58155560e98a922f>
02:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10333: Labels/t_Batch.t needs to create its own data <[…]de39b94059fdb2c2f> / Bug 10550: DBRev <[…]7f0245d8f5de07466> / Bug 10550: (follow-up) correct one additional instances of 'wthdrawn' <[…]eb/?p=koha.git;a=
02:33 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10325: (follow-up) add test for overriding system preferences <[…]b15d83a0bc35eed65> / Bug 10325: (follow-up) fix typos and whitespace in httpd.conf example <[…]92d2b2b1daa1c6cf3> / Bug 10325 - QA Followup - Fix typos <
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03:55 * mtompset wonders what to do about a eleven year old comment.
05:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10325: (follow-up) restore case-insensivity of syspref cache <[…]a5c251a03ec120125>
05:24 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7478: fix template translation problem in <[…]46e7d123633a64920>
05:33 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
05:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9531: Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml <[…]32fce528f72076df8>
06:04 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9845: correct SIP 08checkin.t <[…]c7a2506a11c2bfda2>
06:15 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9252 - Add option to send patron's home branch in AF field - QA Followup <[…]7b3c9fd8ad10940b3> / Bug 9252 - Add option to send patron's home branch in AF field <[…]200a1e8180df5bfcf>
06:36 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10619 - fix errors in sco.css for the CCSR OPAC templates <[…]d02f94bfed66158f5> / Bug 10769 - Simplify clearing of input fields when duplicating a patron <[…]7331c8ec9cd80a9dd> / Bug 10027: (follow-up) improve display of fine details on printed invoice
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07:06 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10320: (follow-up) handle OverDrive authentication failure more gracefully <[…]e8a965272089ec887> / Bug 10320: DBrev <[…]eec59a9c1a961155a> / Bug 10320: (follow-up) tidy up new system preferences <
07:06 cait aah
07:07 cait good morning #koha :)
07:16 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9943: activate "Pay selected" button only when at least one fine is selected <[…]dc953a00ee0806491>
07:16 cait gmcharlt: still busy? :)
07:26 cait bgkriegel++
07:27 * magnuse waves
07:27 cait hey magnuse
07:27 cait how is it going?
07:30 magnuse guten morgen cait
07:30 magnuse just about to get started
07:30 magnuse but everything takes soooo much time...
07:31 magnuse as i said on twitter recently: why have libraries not forced vendors to agree on a common format for data export/import between ILSes?
07:35 cait magnuse: guess there are many not so nice about libraries reasons for that
07:35 magnuse yeah...
07:43 gmcharlt magnuse: well, one issue is that they would get used only sporadically
07:44 gmcharlt e.g. lots of reasons to exchange MARC records all the time, fewer reasons to do batch import/exports of anything else
07:44 magnuse gmcharlt: yeah, but maybe more often if migrations were easier to do - and they are hard because there is no common format... ;-)
07:44 gmcharlt (I'm treated things like NCIP, SIP2, OAI-PMH, as fulfilling a different application need)
07:45 gmcharlt magnuse: yeah, but there's always a shorter term need that provides more immediate payoff
07:45 magnuse hehe, true
07:46 cait yeah
07:46 gmcharlt i.e., given a choice between developing a feature that patrons can use "now" versus something that may only be useful to the library five years later, when they get sick of their current ILS... the longer-term considerations is not likely to win
07:47 magnuse well, libraries should force vendors to implement a common format out of their own pocket: "we will not buy this unless it supports import/export with formatX"
07:48 gmcharlt also ... too much emphasis on a common interchange format could run the risk of ossifying ILS R&D even more than it is already
07:48 magnuse but then like every other library standard there would of course be vendor specific versions and implementations of formatX...
07:48 gmcharlt heh
07:48 gmcharlt can you imagine the committee meetings? :)
07:48 magnuse hehe
07:49 cait maybe we really better concentrate on something else :)
07:49 gmcharlt to be honest, IMO it's really sufficient if libraries just get all the vendors to use standard DBMSes,  document their database schemas, and provide tools to get *everything* out in text/XML/something-sensible format
07:49 cait also there might be information loss if you tried to define a common format
07:50 cait gmcharlt++
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07:50 cait good morning drojf :)
07:51 gmcharlt and now, to bed ... this time... FOR REAL, I tell you!  really, truly!
07:51 cait :)
07:51 magnuse sleep tight gmcharlt
07:52 cait sleep well :)
07:52 * drojf passes gmcharlt the baton of sleep
07:52 drojf good morning #koha
07:52 * magnuse is working on a migration now where i have the whole db i text format, and it is not fun
07:52 magnuse moin drojf
07:52 * cait hands drojf some green tea to start the morning with
07:53 drojf :)
07:53 drojf hi magnuse and cait
07:54 drojf magnuse: i imagined that text db to be on paper and had to laugh. i hope it is not. ;)
07:54 magnuse drojf: not quite :-)
07:54 drojf good :)
07:55 cait hm queue back to 74
07:55 cait i had it down to 69 last night..
07:55 cait i better get started
07:56 magnuse hehe
08:08 cait one down... 73 to go
08:16 magnuse cait++
08:16 cait better keep that karma :)
08:16 magnuse @karma cait
08:16 huginn` magnuse: Karma for "cait" has been increased 453 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 452.
08:16 magnuse :-)
08:17 magnuse @karma
08:17 huginn` magnuse: Highest karma: "rangi" (895), "oleonard" (768), and "jcamins" (638).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-120), "<!" (-114), and "failed" (-104).  You (magnuse) are ranked 10 out of 2622.
08:17 magnuse hehe "poor" ie
08:17 magnuse <!++
08:17 magnuse @karma <!
08:17 huginn` magnuse: Karma for "<!" has been increased 14 times and decreased 127 times for a total karma of -113.
08:18 cait @karma kf
08:18 huginn` cait: Karma for "kf" has been increased 312 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 312.
08:18 cait @karma cait
08:18 huginn` cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 453 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 452.
08:19 cait @karma gmcharlt
08:19 huginn` cait: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 482 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 477.
08:19 cait gmcharlt++ # totally needed
08:19 cait hm totally deserved :)
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08:25 cait hi connor_dewar :)
08:25 connor_dewar Hello!  :)
08:26 cait still learning python? :)
08:27 connor_dewar i am , still my favouite langauge! :), iv also got php under my belt and im about to start working on ruby
08:27 connor_dewar maybe perl to
08:29 connor_dewar so i was wanting to do some work with koha, so i got koha using git but am unsure whats next :/
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08:33 cait :)
08:34 cait hm, where are you stuck? and what have you used as instructions to install?
08:35 connor_dewar i used this link :[…]Control_Using_Git . and im not sure what it is i can contribute haha.
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08:38 magnuse connor_dewar: have a look around bugzilla and you can probably find plenty to do ;-)
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08:41 connor_dewar Will have a look thanks magnuse :)
08:43 cait connor_dewar: you will want to take a look at intallation instructions next i think, if you cloned the git repo
08:43 cait like running Makefile.PL
08:44 cait magnuse++ # developer's handbook
08:44 cait hm qa'd one and signed off one... remaining at 73... doh.
08:44 connor_dewar Where would i find installation instructions?
08:45 cait what OS have you installed on?
08:46 connor_dewar ubuntu 12.04
08:47 cait hm this doesn't look too bad:[…]a_on_ubuntu_-_git
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08:47 cait you probably have done the git steps, but you still might want to install the packages to get the depenencies
08:48 cait hi druthb_away :)
08:49 connor_dewar thanks will do. so with bugzilla, i find a bug that doesnt look too hard, and well fix it?
08:49 cait yep
08:49 cait basically that is it :)
08:50 cait we might have suggestions when you get your koha runnng ;)
08:52 connor_dewar Thanks for the help ill get it going now :)
09:48 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:48 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.9°C (11:43 AM CEST on September 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
09:49 drojf so the weather lied to me and i spent the last 26° day in a cold library. thanks, weather
10:00 cait sip2 is confusing
10:27 cait yay
10:27 * cait deterines 10817 works as expected
10:44 magnuse bug 10817
10:44 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10817 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Passed QA , SIPserver does not return holds info when requested
10:44 magnuse yay
10:57 cait ColinC++ for providing a test script
11:01 cait and the test script even worked like a charm
11:25 magnuse ColinC++ then :-)
11:28 cait how is the migration?
11:52 * cait laughsl maly having checked out and checked in an item via sip!
11:52 cait lol
11:52 * cait laughs madly of course
12:20 * magnuse thought "laughsl maly" was kinf of appropriate for sip ;-)
12:21 magnuse the migration is slogging along - 80% of the data takes 20% of the time, and then the remaining 20% of the data takes 80% of the time...
12:22 magnuse s/kinf/kind/
12:23 magnuse heh "cait laughs madly of course" is nice when you take it out of context :-)
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12:28 cait :)
12:48 magnuse what does the fox say?
12:48 wahanui
12:48 magnuse moahahahaha
12:49 cait hehe
12:54 magnuse i just had another listen and the view count went up by ~40k while i was watching...
13:22 * magnuse needs some fresh air
13:26 magnuse and a new brain
13:40 cait new brain sounds good
14:08 jcamins magnuse is right. What does the fox say? is horrifyingly catchy.
14:10 magnuse moahahahaha
14:32 jcamins What should I do with a squid?
14:35 magnuse use it as a proxy?
14:36 jcamins Hehe.
14:36 jcamins I was thinking of the edible kind.
14:36 magnuse ah, sorry
14:36 cait carefuly cut it criss cross and then pan fry?
14:36 magnuse what kind? the classical one from the cartoons, with a big head in the middle and arms all around?
14:37 magnuse or the kind with a long tube-like body?
14:37 cait magnuse: i think you think octopus :)
14:37 jcamins Squid = tube-like body.
14:37 magnuse ah, ok
14:37 jcamins I'm not quite ready to try cooking an octopus yet.
14:37 magnuse hehe
14:37 cait octopus is good raw
14:37 cait :)
14:37 * jcamins shudders
14:37 cait so you don't have to cook it :P
14:37 magnuse first thing i think of is calamares a la romana
14:38 magnuse cut the body into rings, dunk them in some kind of uhm batter and deep fry them
14:38 magnuse yummy with a squeeze of lemon and a salad
14:38 jcamins Yeah, that's the first thing that came to my mind too. :)
14:38 magnuse ooh, great minds think alike ;-)
14:39 * cait likes the healthier variant without batter :P
14:39 cait but fried is yummy
14:39 jcamins cait: I'm thinking about something like this, to avoid the unhealthiness of frying:[…]healthy-eats-way/
14:40 magnuse i once had dinner at a fish restaurant in barcelona. on the next table were a young japanese (?) couple with a dictionary. when they were served large bowls of more or less whole octopus they almost fainted ;-)
14:41 jcamins magnuse: you'd think a young Japanese couple would know how to deal with an octopus.
14:41 magnuse yeah, and they might have done, but it was definitely not what they expected, judging by the looks on their faces
14:42 jcamins Hehe.
14:42 * jcamins wouldn't have expected it either.
14:42 cait that looks very yummy
14:42 cait i will need to buy panko at some point
14:42 cait magnuse: hm raw octopus is janpanese...
14:42 cait japanese
14:43 cait maybe they were unhappy it was cooked? :P
14:43 jcamins magnuse: but you know how it is with octopi:[…]=7WJXHY2OXGE#t=36
14:45 jcamins cait: yeah, looks like I need to buy panko breadcrumbs too.
14:54 magnuse @wunder boo
14:54 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on September 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
14:54 magnuse @wunder oslo
14:54 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
14:54 magnuse @wunder oslo, norway
14:54 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Holter, Holter, Norway is 23.0°C (4:52 PM CEST on September 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
14:54 magnuse @wunder osl
14:54 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Oslo Airport, Norway is 21.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on September 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
17:09 * jcamins has squid. :D
17:09 cait yay :)
17:09 jcamins Frozen squid rings, actually, because it was the same price as fresh, and I figured one step at a time.
17:09 cait do you have a teleportert too?
17:09 jcamins Nope.
17:09 jcamins Just squid.
17:09 jcamins And panko breadcrumbs.
17:09 cait ooh
17:12 cait i am trying to test a packages patch
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17:41 jcamins This is incredibly awesome:
17:43 cait hi drojf
17:45 * jcamins thinks that all algorithms classes should be taught by Hungarian folk dancers.
17:45 cait :)
17:45 cait bubble sort is nice
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19:26 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10331 - Little errors in (punctuation) <[…]70d819ddac675425d> / Bug 9924: (follow-up) ensure that correct error message is displayed <[…]d9bf1fdb47a25435a> / Bug 9924 - Simplify and rename patron card creator error message include <h
19:33 cait oh looks like gmcharlt is awake again? :)
19:36 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10564 - use OPACURLOpenInNewWindow in UNIMARCslim2OPACResults.xsl <[…]4e61da9fbb55fab52>
19:56 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10817: return hold items info in SIP Patron Info Response <[…]665a46c0584aaefc8>
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20:13 cait hi Viktor
20:14 Viktor Hi cait!
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20:36 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10630: give DelBookseller() a return value <[…]dcb29ab033fad567e> / Bug 10718: fix items with no checkouts report <[…]a26ab361be9ea915e>
20:46 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10320: (follow-up) remove stray merge conflict marker <[…]3739b243d0aaff657> / Bug 10640: (follow-up) bump up the number of expected tests in Bookseller.t <[…]e5767d182a42a2595> / Bug 10640: give ModBookseller() an explicit return value. <http://git.koha
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20:58 bgkriegel Hi
21:00 cait oh no
21:00 cait bgkriegel is back to push my queue over 70 again!
21:00 cait ;)
21:00 bgkriegel hehe
21:00 cait just joking, bgkriegel++ for weekend sign offs
21:00 bgkriegel Hi cait :)
21:00 * wizzyrea waves
21:01 bgkriegel Hi wizzyrea
21:01 bgkriegel Hey kiwis, Team NZ 3 - Oracle USA 0, in reality (3 , -2), on America's Cup :)
21:02 jcamins bgkriegel: -2?
21:02 wahanui -2 is good enough for me
21:03 bgkriegel yes, penalized befor start
21:03 bgkriegel something abut the boat
21:04 cait hi wizzyrea
21:05 * cait needs someone to take a look at bug 10667 :D
21:05 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10667 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , ILS-DI: AuthenticatePatron should also work with cardnumber
21:05 bgkriegel looking
21:06 cait well, probably not the first in the queue :) just happy that i got the patches done
21:08 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:08 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on September 08, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
21:09 bgkriegel @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:09 huginn` bgkriegel: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 28.0°C (6:00 PM ART on September 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
21:09 bgkriegel not bad for winter :)
21:09 cait you couldsay so :)
21:11 bgkriegel cait: all test pass, that's all?
21:12 cait bgkriegel: the first patch is just adding unit tests - the second is a change and can be tested with IlS-DI too
21:12 cait and running the tests
21:12 bgkriegel ok
21:12 cait you have to turn on the ils-di feature, then if you access the opac page there is documentation on how to craft the URLs
21:13 cait the ils-di documentation page in opac
21:21 bgkriegel ok, works using cardnumber as username :)
21:24 cait sorry, i should have written more about the ils-di part of testing
21:32 bgkriegel cait: done :)
21:33 cait wow - thx bgkriegel!
21:56 eythian hi
21:56 wahanui bonjour, eythian
21:56 cait hi eythian
21:56 eythian hello
22:10 rangi morning
22:11 cait morning rangi
22:24 eythian[…]-competition/2013
22:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10678 - Update addbooks help page <[…]23c40d3ce6d44f3eb> / Bug 10678 - Allow framework selection when creating from Z39.50 <[…]9317b96479cfa26d2>
22:37 wizzyrea what no pictures of the librarians?
22:38 eythian apparently they don't go into icy places so much
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23:05 dcook morning #koha
23:06 rangi hiya dcook
23:06 dcook hey rangi
23:06 dcook Good weekend?
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23:07 rangi busy but pretty good
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23:40 dcook UMontreal++
23:40 dcook I guess that's only tangentially related to Koha...
23:40 dcook They shared their Dspace MARC export files with me :)

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