IRC log for #koha, 2013-09-07

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03:19 mtompset joined #koha
03:20 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:20 mtompset How do you discover why a line is deleted?
03:21 mtompset git blame -L30,38 .../prog/en/.../
03:22 mtompset (v3.12.04)
03:22 mtompset git blame -L30,35 ...
03:22 mtompset (master)
03:22 mtompset Why did the [% OPACResultsSidebar %] disappear?!
03:23 mtompset Even more confusing... why is the div still there?!
03:38 mtompset Ah there it is... commented on the patch.
03:55 mtompset Have a great weekend, #koha. :)
04:53 Oak joined #koha
04:54 Oak kia ora #koha
06:36 * magnuse waves
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07:02 magnuse Oak
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07:47 Oak magnuse
07:50 lakshmi_ does ddc haveto be different for each book
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07:59 lakshmi_ am trying to use dewey decimal in koha, but as one catalogs it takes a long time to find DDC for each book, is it ok if one catagory has one number? can any one throw some light
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08:05 drojf good morning #koha
08:11 lakshmi_ am trying to use dewey decimal in koha, but as one catalogs it takes a long time to find DDC for each book, is it ok if one catagory has one number? can any one throw some light
08:20 cait joined #koha
08:25 cait good morning #koha
08:37 drojf @later tell jcamins oh, good idea. encrypting the history would be nice!
08:37 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
08:37 drojf hi cait
08:37 cait hi drojf :)
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08:54 * magnuse waves again
08:54 cait hey magnuse :)
08:55 magnuse kia ora cait
11:04 magnuse @wunder boo
11:04 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on September 07, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
11:04 magnuse @wunder marseille
11:04 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 28.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on September 07, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:05 magnuse wow!
11:05 magnuse @wunder konstanz
11:05 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (1:00 PM CEST on September 07, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
11:05 magnuse yikes!
11:17 cait hm?
11:30 magnuse 24 degrees?
11:31 cait ah yes
11:31 cait summer is back
11:31 cait a bit :)
11:32 magnuse we just had a couple of relatively warm days too
11:32 magnuse but a bit more chilly today
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14:50 mtompset joined #koha
14:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:52 mtompset Could someone eyeball the diff file for bug 10405?
14:52 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10405 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , User-editable sections should have ids
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15:33 mtompset Hmmm... Hello? I'm getting a git bz error, and thought someone might be able to help me get it configured correctly.
15:34 jcamins What error?
15:34 mtompset NameError: global name 'host' is not defined.
15:34 mtompset What value is it expecting?
15:35 jcamins It needs configuration.
15:35 jcamins Will find.
15:36 jcamins[…]#Configure_git-bz
15:36 jcamins Non-global
15:38 jcamins Much better. You need to set bz.default-tracker, most likely.
15:39 mtompset I think I made a typo.
15:39 mtompset I typed bug instead of bugs.
15:43 jcamins Yeah, that would do it.
15:44 mtompset multiple times even. ARG! Fixed.
15:46 mtompset There. Care to check bug 10840, jcamins? It's the one line patch you suggested I put on a new bug.
15:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10840 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Re-add missing [% OPACResultsSidebar %]
15:46 jcamins Will do.
17:47 cait @later tell khall - could you take a look at my follow up for bug 10626 please?
17:47 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
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18:10 * magnuse waves
18:13 * cait waves back :)
18:31 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10742: improve converting simple search to Z39.50 search <[…]e2282dd8805198720>
18:33 cait gmcharlt++ :)
18:36 magnuse talking of which...
18:36 magnuse cait: have you had trouble doing z39.50 searches for e.g. titles that contain umlauts?
18:37 cait hm it depends on the target
18:37 magnuse i think there is a problem with æøå...
18:37 magnuse ah, ok
18:37 cait currently i think you have to search with the base character in our union catalog
18:37 cait results look ok
18:38 * magnuse wonders if that is genuine problem with the target, or if it could be fixed with the encoding for the query we send
18:38 gmcharlt magnuse: I can test with a different Z39.50 client if you give me the coordinates of the target and an example search
18:40 mtompset Greetings, magnuse cait gmcharlt. :)
18:40 cait hi gmcharlt and mtompset
18:40 cait gmcharlt: i have problems with your patch for bug 10792 :(
18:40 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10792 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Amounts in funds table on acquisitions home page not sorting correctly
18:40 magnuse gmcharlt:, as described here: - let me find an example search...
18:41 gmcharlt cait: could you attach the HTML source of the generated funds table?
18:41 cait sure, give me a second to switch back to my branch
18:42 gmcharlt thanks
18:43 cait
18:43 magnuse gmcharlt: a z39.50 search for "døden" ("death") gives 2 pages of results in koha, but none of them are in norwegian
18:45 gmcharlt cait: OK, looks like I missed adding the necessary spans for rows where the fund was inactive (which, in my defense, does point to a redundancy in the template that shouldn't exist) -- I'll update the attachment tot he bug report in a moment
18:46 cait cool (or not for the redundancy)
18:46 cait but I am standby to give this another try :)
18:58 gmcharlt cait: all set -- please try again
18:58 gmcharlt cait++
18:58 cait thx for the follow up :) gmcharlt++
18:58 magnuse gmcharlt++ cait++
18:59 cait hmm
18:59 cait gmcharlt: it would have been a bit easier as a follow up patch :)
18:59 cait and keeping the sign off
19:00 gmcharlt meh, my bias is for the ease of folks who need to read the patches later, after we've all forgotten the initial chrun that led to a good one
19:01 gmcharlt but...
19:01 gmcharlt magnuse: busy at the moment? :)
19:01 cait hehe
19:01 cait guess he is
19:01 cait if he is still working at this ungodly hour
19:01 cait i will obsolete the first patch as a start
19:02 magnuse gmcharlt: working on a migration - got 24 hours left to do it in, max
19:03 magnuse banging my head against reserves at the moment
19:03 cait ouch
19:03 cait don't do that
19:03 cait and tell me if i can help
19:04 cait i have done those a few times by now - if the problem is on Koha side
19:05 * cait waits for the tests to finish
19:06 magnuse trying to figure out how to identify records with reserves but without items at the moment...
19:07 cait ?
19:07 cait can you describe it a bit more?
19:08 cait records with no items or title level holds?
19:09 magnuse title level holds
19:10 magnuse and no good record id that carries over from the old to the new system
19:10 magnuse could perhaps have used 001, but they seem to be random
19:10 cait so you need to identify in the old system?
19:11 magnuse so i use a random barcode and then look up the biblionumber connected to that barcode when i import into koha
19:11 cait in koha i thnk the only difference is no itemnumber but only a biblionumber in reserves
19:11 magnuse but that only works for records that have at least one barcode
19:11 cait but how would you add a reserve to a record without any items?
19:12 magnuse the old system has title level reserves on records that are "on order" and have no items
19:12 magnuse that's possible in koha too, right?
19:12 cait @later tell rangi - could you take a look at bug 10792 please? I found a problem with inactive funds not sorting correctly and now it needs another person for QA :)
19:12 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
19:12 magnuse or do you have to add a dummy item to be able to reserve?
19:13 cait no reserves without items
19:13 cait how would that reserve be ever filled?
19:13 cait if you want on order records to be hodable, you need to create on order items, using AcqCreateItem = on order later
19:13 magnuse when the item arrives and is no longer "on order"
19:13 cait so you'd need dummy items, as many as the order is if you migrate those too
19:13 cait and link them
19:14 cait hm maybe it works - but it's not possible with Koha right now
19:14 cait i mean, maybe it works if you migrate that way, but you can't do that with Koha's UI
19:14 magnuse huh? but arn't reserves on the record level?
19:15 cait but determining if you can reserve something is item level :)
19:15 cait for example if all items are notforloan, you can never place a reserve
19:15 * magnuse gets dizzy
19:15 cait in hope there once will be an item where you can...
19:15 cait maybe time to take a break and try again tomorrow?
19:15 cait I think i have talked to Viktor about this
19:16 cait about the on order items that have to be created in order to place holds on things that are in the acquisition process
19:16 magnuse well, just adding a reserve to the reserves table, with a biblionumber and borrowernumber should work
19:16 cait it might
19:16 cait i would give it a test
19:17 cait but the user won't see it's an on order record in Koha later - might be confusing. Adding on order items is what i would recommend for the future
19:23 cait jcamins: still around?
19:23 cait i have a search question :)
19:23 jcamins Vaguely.
19:23 jcamins What's up?
19:23 gmcharlt magnuse: I have an idea regarding getting that target to work -- pursuing it now
19:23 cait looking at dcooks patch for 10793
19:24 jcamins bug 10793
19:24 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10793 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Signed Off , XSLT change 780/785 search queries to use ti,phr indexes like other linking entries
19:24 cait and i have doubts that a ti,phr: search will work over multiple subfields correctly
19:24 jcamins You are correct, it will not work.
19:24 cait but i wonder if that's a real problem or only one with my records having a and t filled
19:24 cait 780 0 0  _iVorg.
19:24 cait _aFachinformationszentrum Technik / f
19:24 cait _tFIZ Technik / Maschinenbau
19:24 cait it gives me results... so I am a bit confused here
19:25 cait could you help me out?
19:25 jcamins Why?
19:25 cait why what?
19:25 cait why help me? :)
19:25 jcamins Why do you need help?
19:25 cait because it seems to work... somehow, but it shouldn't
19:25 cait well, it's probably not really exact -  or works with some caveats
19:27 jcamins Yeah, just a peculiarity of Zebra, I think.
19:28 cait hm.
19:29 * cait is still confused
19:29 cait *sigh*
19:41 cait ok, left a comment
19:42 * cait updates her UNIMARC installation
19:42 cait jcamins++
19:58 cait hm
19:58 * cait feels like picking on dcook tonight
19:59 cait well... not really feeling like it... just seems that i found another problem in one of his patches
20:03 magnuse cait++
20:04 magnuse there is no way in the opac to see if a record has reserves, right?
20:05 cait hm there is
20:05 cait look at system preferences
20:05 cait but it shows up below the items table normally
20:05 magnuse ah
20:05 cait it's something with holds or reserves in it
20:05 cait but it might be inside the items IF
20:07 magnuse OPACShowHoldQueueDetails
20:07 magnuse cait++ for being awesome
20:07 * cait is not
20:07 cait and it seems like dcook's patch works :)
20:09 magnuse yay, even better
20:16 cait and it was oleonard's patch really... i guess i better stop qa'ing after this one for tonight :)
20:23 magnuse cait: kick back with the latest cultural export from norway: ;-)
20:29 cait omg.
20:31 magnuse hehe
20:31 magnuse they are comedians
20:31 magnuse it's a "commercial" for their weekly tv show, and a parody of pop music :-)
20:32 cait oh good :)
20:33 magnuse quite catchy though :-)
20:33 cait yeah, that tune might stay with me for a while
20:33 magnuse sorry about that ;-)
20:36 cait could be worse :)
20:39 magnuse hehe
20:40 magnuse what does the fox say is <reply>
20:40 magnuse what does the fox say?
20:40 magnuse oh well, time to catch some sleep
20:41 magnuse what does the fox say is<reply>
20:41 magnuse what does the fox say?
20:41 magnuse yeah, definitely
20:41 jcamins \what does the fox say is <reply>
20:41 jcamins what does the fox say?
20:41 jcamins does the fox say is <reply>
20:41 jcamins what does the fox say?
20:41 wahanui
20:43 gmcharlt @later tell magnuse[…]969db4f6d0a9794fb
20:43 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
20:44 jcamins ... I don't even know...
20:44 mtompset It is catchy.
20:47 cait gmcharlt++ :)
20:52 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7143: history.txt and about page updates <[…]1996a36c0d6c5e4c4>
20:57 * cait tries her hand on unimarc cataloguing
21:02 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10793: XSLT change 780/785 search queries to use ti,phr indexes like other linkin... <[…]4fe982e9008032407> / Bug 10218: Add individual CSS classes for bibliographic information in OPAC (UNIMARC) <[…]5542ec7233c17cfce> / Bug 10835: fix patron search for
21:03 cait coming back?
21:03 magnuse nope
21:03 magnuse clicked the wrong button
21:03 magnuse have fun!
21:12 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10672 - Add subtitle to display of checkouts, overdues, and holds on the patron... <[…]9ff193b17f87ae4c1> / Bug 10721 - Improve DataTables configuration on transfers to receive report <[…]cb016bba01f0529ab>
21:14 * cait fails at adding an authority :(
21:24 cait *grrr*
21:24 cait Unsupported UNIMARC character encoding [] for XML output for UNIMARCAUTH; 100$a -> a at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/ line 505.
21:24 cait it says i have to enter 100$a - then it tells me that whatever i enter there is wrong *sob*
21:25 jcamins 100$a is coded.
21:26 cait there is no plugin or so
21:26 gmcharlt yeah, it's the equivalient of the MARC21 008 IIRC
21:26 jcamins There probably should be.
21:26 jcamins gmcharlt: except a million times worse.
21:26 gmcharlt how so?
21:26 jcamins It's not a fixed length.
21:27 gmcharlt ah
21:27 jcamins There are several different UNIMARC formats, differentiated by the length of the 100$a.
21:27 * jcamins still can't get over this.
21:28 gmcharlt heh
21:28 gmcharlt bbiab
21:49 mtompset is a bit over, gmcharlt?
21:55 mtompset Greetings, druthb. Escaped the clutched of Gauntlet addiction? ;)
21:55 cait hey druthb
21:55 cait :)
22:01 mtompset I take that lack of answer as, "only for a tiny moment". ;)
22:08 druthb Hi, mtompset and cait. :)
22:08 druthb Played Galaga for a while, then went seriously old-school...Berzerk!
22:10 * cait does better not ask :)
22:10 druthb old, old video games, cait.
22:13 druthb Did a little turning today, too....a nice fountain pen, in cocobolo, and a birthday present for my brother.
22:14 cait :)
22:18 drojf joined #koha
22:25 druthb Carpe Lignum!  Torne Lignum!  :D
22:46 cait ?
22:46 cait drojf?
22:46 wahanui rumour has it drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi
22:46 drojf ыес_
22:46 drojf ох
22:47 drojf he
22:47 drojf wrong script
22:47 cait lol bgkriegel++
22:47 cait every single time i get my queue below 70 - bgkriegel pops up and starts adding more patches :)
23:08 bgkriegel joined #koha
23:15 cait bgkriegel: i was just talking about you :)
23:15 cait (00:47:12) cait: lol bgkriegel++
23:15 cait (00:47:27) cait: every single time i get my queue below 70 - bgkriegel pops up and starts adding more patches :)
23:15 cait and now i go to sleep :) bye all
23:15 cait left #koha
23:15 bgkriegel Hi  cait
23:16 bgkriegel late
23:20 * drojf still wonders what cait wanted from him

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