IRC log for #koha, 2013-09-04

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00:00 BobB joined #koha
00:02 Brooke gday bob
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00:07 drojf well, that was fun
00:08 drojf looks likemimdo notmhave a notebook anymore
00:08 Brooke hmm?
00:09 drojf hi brooke
00:09 Brooke hey there
00:09 wizzyrea whaddup brooke
00:10 drojf i have apparently destroyed my notebook
00:10 Brooke editing teh wikipedia
00:12 drojf i bet handing in a pen and paper thesis will work just fine ;)
00:12 Brooke ooof!
00:12 Brooke how destroyed is destroyed
00:14 drojf not sure yet. something involving liquid and no reaction at all. it does not look really bad on the inside but i did not take it apart completely
00:14 eythian I assume that all your thesis is in version control anyway, so you should be able to pick it up on any machine, right?
00:15 drojf that is not the problem, but there is no othrr machine
00:16 drojf well, i can (and probably will) type on a raspi for a few days
00:16 drojf but if the notebook is actually broken i will still have a problem
00:20 drojf so, prepare yourselves for a kickstarter or something for signing off on your patches unless something better comes up :/
00:25 Brooke I have thought that kickstarter or mechanical turk would be excellent means for bug testing for years now.
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00:40 dcook morning #koha
00:40 dcook stunt driving school, wizzyrea? Sounds awesome!
00:40 Brooke morning dcook
00:40 dcook hey ya Brooke :)
00:40 wizzyrea >.>
00:40 Brooke pfft, who needs school when one has Maryland just the other side of teh River?
00:42 dcook Lack of fiery death?
00:42 * Brooke thinks dcook is no fun.
00:42 dcook hehe
00:43 dcook I'm a responsible driver!
00:44 Brooke tell it to the judge, lady ;)
00:44 dcook Who never ever "stunted" on ice patches in the prairies growing up >.>
00:44 Brooke heheh
00:44 * dcook is a lady?
00:44 Brooke are you questioning mah authoritay?
00:44 * Brooke busts out the tazer.
00:46 * Brooke is teasing.
00:48 Brooke ChurChur EQNZ anniversary
00:48 * Brooke imagines a days without True marmite clock someplace...
00:49 * dcook is so confused
01:43 * jcamins wipes brownie batter off his elbow.
01:43 jcamins I'm not sure how it got there.
01:43 * dcook once knew someone who got mustard on the back of his shirt between his shoulder blades
01:44 dcook We assume he held his sandwich above and slightly behind his head while laughing and the mustard must've fallen then
01:44 dcook We hope
01:44 jcamins lol
01:45 wizzyrea hey there's marmite again now :P
01:45 jcamins Seriously?
01:46 * jcamins has been using PrivacyFix.
01:46 jcamins For, you know, checking the privacy of websites.
01:46 jcamins It was purchased by AVG.
01:46 jcamins And now it "requires access to your Facebook account in order to sync your data across devices and across apps and uses tracking cookies."
01:48 * jcamins removes it.
01:51 eythian that seems contradictory of it.
01:52 dcook :(
01:52 jcamins eythian: agreed.
02:42 * wizzyrea almost spit water.
02:43 * dcook wonders if this is in response to an earlier comment or just a statement of fact.
02:44 * jcamins curses java.
02:45 mtompset because of garbage collection? ;)
02:45 jcamins No.
02:47 wizzyrea it was a response to privacyFix using tracking cookies.
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03:00 * dcook ponders gmcharlt's review of The Alchemist
03:02 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah, I figured that would be why, but given the time lapse, I figured I'd make sure :p
03:42 eythian
03:45 jcamins dcook: it never happened.
03:46 jcamins Or, at least, not in 3.x.
03:46 dcook So the manual is wrong?
03:46 jcamins Must be, because I have never known that to work.
03:47 * dcook was going to say"I'm not insane?" but didn't want to get carried away
03:48 jcamins lol
03:48 jcamins No, you probably still are.
03:48 dcook hehe
03:50 jcamins Why do I bother with VMs that have <1G/RAM?
03:50 dcook That is a very good question
03:50 jcamins Gosh, that review certainly is mini.
03:51 dcook I've enjoyed the book as entertainment and the fact that it's a quick read has always been its selling point
03:51 dcook But in terms of literature...I think he's on the money
03:54 dcook " Oops. Don't click mandatory on subfields for tags you've never heard of."
03:54 dcook Random quote of the dashboard. Hehe.
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03:57 cait hi #koha
04:01 dcook hey ya cait
04:02 cait hi dcook
04:02 cait :)
04:03 dcook My body must've known that you were coming. I just grabbed my lunch ;)
04:03 cait lol
04:03 cait but i am early
04:03 wizzyrea good morning cait
04:03 cait and i have to leave in a bit more than 30 mins
04:04 cait :(
04:04 wizzyrea ew
04:04 eythian that's silly
04:06 dcook :(
04:09 cait the things we do ...
04:09 eythian I don't
04:10 dcook Yeah, I sleep in
04:10 dcook Sleep is good
04:20 dcook Hmm. What to improve...DC to MARC it is...
04:23 mtompset I thought you were going to improve sleep, like I am now. ;)
04:23 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. :)
04:36 dcook Yes, Dspace...publish unqualified dublincore xml...because that's so helpful...
04:36 * dcook grumbles
04:36 dcook <dc:date>2005-06-19T21:07:46Z</dc:date>
04:36 dcook <dc:date>2005-06-19T21:07:46Z</dc:date>
04:36 dcook <dc:date>2001</dc:date>
04:36 dcook What kind of date is each? Who knows?
04:37 dcook Hypothetically, we can guess the last one is the issue or publication date because it doesn't thave the seconds attached...
04:37 dcook But that is an assumption...
04:39 dcook Mmm, perhaps not an issue with Dspace so much as OAI_DC
04:39 dcook bleargh
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05:20 dcook Sweeeet
05:20 dcook Dspace 3 can export QDC (qualified dublin core)
05:20 dcook That helps
05:21 dcook Although I suppose a DC record could still have 2 publishers and 1 date...
05:21 * dcook re-checks the MARC spec
05:22 dcook Mmm, the 260 was made repeatable in 2001 to account for publisher changes over time...
05:22 dcook So generally speaking all of your different publishers and dates would go into your 260...or your 264
05:23 dcook DC has "Created" and "Issued" qualifiers for Date which don't really distinguish between manufacturer, distributer, or publisher..
05:23 dcook Issued would technically be date of publication, I suppose
05:26 dcook O_o
05:26 dcook Mmm
05:27 * dcook thinks jcamins was right before...dcook probably IS insan
05:27 dcook insane even
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05:39 drojf good morning #koha
05:39 dcook morning drojf :)
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05:40 * dcook ponders whether to make a better MARC export for Dspace or to continue working on the DC=>MARC XSLT in Koha...
05:40 * cait waves
05:40 drojf thinkpad++
05:40 cait drojf:  it recovered?
05:41 drojf looks like it. i'm using it right now
05:41 drojf that was not funny at all :/
05:41 cait yay thinkpad++
05:42 cait i can imagine
05:42 drojf the keyboard could use another shower, feels weird
05:44 drojf might not be 100% dry from the last one ;)
05:45 cait it will be fine :)
05:50 cait @wunder lippstadt
05:50 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Geseke, Germany is 12.8°C (7:42 AM CEST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
05:50 cait hm brr?
05:50 wahanui brr is right
05:53 eythian @wunder nzwn
05:53 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
05:53 eythian supposed to get worse, too.
05:53 cait evening eythian
05:53 eythian hi
05:53 cait how's things?
05:54 eythian not too bad
05:54 eythian it's cold outside though, and probably windy.
05:55 cait sounds about right
05:56 dcook The MARC 653 field is so weird....
05:56 drojf why?
05:57 dcook Instead of having multiple 653 fields, you can just put all of your subject terms in one as separate "a" subfields
05:57 cait yep why? :)
05:57 dcook Which seems contrary to the other 65x fields..
05:57 dcook Or rather 6xx fields
05:57 cait hm
05:57 cait we do multiple 653
05:57 drojf it says repeatable
05:57 drojf so where is the problem?
05:57 cait i think you can do either
05:58 drojf we have multiple ones too
05:58 cait the examples look like that too
05:58 dcook Yeah, I think you can do either
05:58 drojf i used it for… i forgot. something special to our library :)
05:58 dcook But it's an option to group together primary and secondary index terms by just repeating subfields
05:59 cait ah seem slike therer are indicators involved
05:59 dcook Yeah, the first indicator denotes whether it's primary, secondary, or unknown/not provided info
06:00 drojf there is even a great bug 9972 to index it ;) *spam*
06:00 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
06:00 dcook hehe
06:02 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
06:03 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.7°C (8:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
06:04 dcook Hmm
06:04 dcook I think I have some friends in Berlin at the moment
06:04 * dcook is probably making that up
06:04 dcook They might actually be in Amsterdam
06:04 dcook Australians abroad. Partying like crazy, no doubt.
06:04 drojf everybody is in amsterdam atm. seems like it
06:04 dcook Yeah?
06:05 drojf heh. i met a group of australians at a swedish hostel once. crazy people :D
06:05 drojf i think they had beer for breakfast
06:05 dcook lol
06:05 dcook My wife said that in Australia you're allowed to drink alcohol any time of the day
06:05 * dcook thinks she was having some red wine around 11am that day
06:05 drojf sounds like a good rule
06:06 drojf :P
06:06 dcook To be fair, it was the weekend
06:06 dcook I like that rule :D
06:06 * dcook says drinking from his water bottle
06:09 drojf i should either start the caffeine thing or go back to bed for an hour, now that i know i still have a notebook
06:11 dcook caffeine!
06:13 rangi ohh casey is about to start
06:15 dcook rangi: ?
06:16 rangi
06:17 rangi
06:17 rangi sea farer II is him, a swimmer from wellington who catalyst sponsor, is going to start swimming the english channel, in about 1 hour
06:17 rangi and is going to try for the world record
06:18 cait :)
06:18 cait cool
06:19 dcook Cool beans!
06:19 dcook Catalyst++
06:19 dcook seafarerii++
06:20 dcook Nothing like wanting to contact librarians/developers in Montreal to make you break out the online French-English dictionary...
06:21 dcook
06:21 dcook They seem to have a pretty good Marc export of their Dspace..
06:24 dcook hehe
06:24 dcook "un harvester"
06:26 * dcook wishes the BibLibre folk were on line..
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06:30 reiveune hello
06:30 wahanui salut, reiveune
06:33 dcook salut reiveune!
06:33 dcook I know you just got here, but could I ask you a question or two about English->French translations in a library/IT context?
06:33 reiveune dcook: yes you can
06:34 cait hi reiveune
06:34 reiveune hi cait :)
06:34 dcook How does one say bibliographic record in French? Is it "record bibliographique"?
06:35 reiveune dcook: notice bibliographique
06:35 dcook Merci :)
06:35 dcook I would have never guessed that
06:35 reiveune dcook: :)
06:37 reiveune dcook: can you do something for me please ?
06:40 reiveune someone from New Zealand can go in and make a simple search with "aborigenes" ?
06:41 reiveune its to test geolocation with piwik
06:41 rangi he's in australia tho :)
06:41 rangi but i can try
06:42 reiveune it's better :)
06:42 reiveune thanks rangi
06:43 rangi oh, casey is swimming now
06:43 cait :)
06:46 rangi reiveune: there is currently a nzer swimming from england to your country :)
06:46 cait crazy ;)
06:46 reiveune great \o/
06:48 dcook sorry, was on the phone for a minute
06:48 * dcook is back
06:50 dcook Is Casey out in front?
06:52 rangi yep, yellow arrowhead
06:53 rangi dcook:[…]s/512573118817821
06:53 dcook So are most of those arrows boats?
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06:53 gaetan_B hello
06:53 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B
06:53 rangi yep thats teh support boat
06:53 rangi will be alongside the swimmer
06:55 dcook There are 6 arrows though?
06:57 dcook I think I got tired after 6 or so lengths of the 20m pool a few weeks ago :p
06:58 rangi 6.55 hours is the fastest
06:58 dcook 33.1km?
06:58 rangi 10.31 is the fastest this year
06:59 rangi yep
06:59 dcook If I did .1 of a km, then that means...
06:59 dcook :p
07:00 dcook Swimmers are amazing
07:01 dcook reiveune: One more question. What are controlfields, datafields, and subfields called in French?
07:01 rangi he did cook strait which is 29km in 4 hours 37
07:01 dcook Ufda
07:02 dcook He can sure swim
07:02 rangi so there is a possibility .. if its his day, and the weather is good
07:02 reiveune dcook: controlfields : champs de contrôle ; datafields : champs ; subfields : sous-champs
07:02 dcook Intriguing
07:02 dcook Merci beaucoup, reiveune :)
07:02 reiveune :)
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07:04 dcook Mmm, maybe one more question
07:04 dcook Notice is a masculine or feminine noun?
07:04 dcook masculine?
07:04 dcook No, feminine
07:04 Joubu dcook: une notice, so feminine
07:04 reiveune dcook: feminin
07:05 dcook Joubu: My French, so rusty ;)
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07:05 dcook Merci both of you :)
07:08 cait bonjour Joubu
07:08 cait :)
07:10 Joubu hello cait
07:10 wahanui hello cait are you here?
07:17 dcook Thanks again, reiveune
07:17 dcook I'm sure I'll see Casey's results on your FB, rangi ;)
07:17 dcook ta all
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07:18 cait hm running out of battery on the laptop
07:18 cait and still over an hour until switching trains
07:18 cait annoying
07:18 samueld hi everybody :-)
07:19 cait hi samueld
07:19 cait and bye all - bbl
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08:54 * cait1 waves from the next train
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09:50 * Oak waves
09:50 Oak cait! are you well? still home?
09:50 Oak @wunder islamabad
09:50 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 34.0°C (2:00 PM PKT on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
09:55 cait Oak: travelling today, giving training tomorrow
09:56 Oak ah good.
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09:57 cait looking forward to get there and meet everyone in person i have talked to over the phone :)
09:58 Oak :)
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12:26 khall @later tell Joubu can you revist qa on 7720 when you have the time? thanks!
12:26 huginn` khall: The operation succeeded.
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12:50 Joubu khall: yep, I will try to do that shortly. It is on my todo list! :)
12:50 khall thanks!
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13:07 tcohen morning #koha
13:08 tcohen logs?
13:08 wahanui logs is
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13:11 tcohen how was the qa meeting yesterday?
13:12 druthb QA-ey.  cait ran a good meeting as always.
13:13 tcohen heh
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13:27 druthb Hi, mtompset! :)
13:28 mtompset Greetings, druthb. Your greetings have been rather automated lately. Are you human? :P
13:28 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
13:29 druthb perhaps.
13:29 mtompset Okay, I have a patch that I like, but I looked at one file, and realized it was a pointless refactor. How do I get the origin/master version of the file back?
13:29 * SkittlesBot chucks Skittles at mtompset.
13:30 mtompset And now you are going to claim it wasn't you, druthb? :P
13:30 * druthb stands mute, and a plea of "not guilty" was entered by the Court.
13:31 mtompset druthb?
13:31 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:32 druthb :P
13:33 tcohen git checkout origin/master file
13:35 tcohen hi mtompset
13:35 mtompset I had just figured that out. Greetings, tcohen.
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14:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10634 - Use datatables for course details items table <[…]171ca3387ac2999ac>
14:23 jcamins In other news, physicists try to determine whether universe is a simulation.
14:24 jcamins (really!)
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14:27 tcohen that sounds weird
14:27 tcohen because a simulation would be a model of what we belive things are
14:28 jcamins tcohen: or a model of what *other people* believe things are.
14:29 gmcharlt @quote random
14:29 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
14:30 tcohen i'd like to see them try to prove god is the biggest model for the universe
14:31 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10755 - Add "Keyword as Phrase" to staff client advanced search indexes <[…]995bc92bb46cdfa02> / Bug 10361: (follow-up) add tests for search history functions <[…]4eca4f4ce969ad9a7> / Bug 10361: Add option to to purge OPAC search hist
14:33 drojf jcamins: what are they doing to find out? trying to contact the person whose smartphone app we are part of?
14:33 tcohen they want to prove the definition of simulation is sound
14:33 tcohen :-P
14:34 drojf i like to think of earth as a part of some old, rotting fruit and our goal is to convert it to dust. we are pretty good at that
14:35 jcamins drojf: they're looking for a non-continuous maximum power for cosmic waves, or something like that.
14:36 druthb US Politics is part of a simulation being set up by the future for their entertainment.  A future Monty Python's Flying Circus.
14:41 mtompset Yes, but if there an infinitely set of nested simulations, at what point does the host environment fail?
14:41 mtompset there are...
14:42 mtompset druthb++ # good joke. :)
14:43 druthb joke?
14:43 * druthb reviews the log looking for her last joke.
14:44 jcamins mtompset: it doesn't, because if the host environment fails, the simulations being run never existed.
14:44 drojf i loved monty python's flying circus for the great range of british accents they used. i miss that in us politics ;)
14:45 druthb They missed one important and useful part of the Circus in the US Politics simulation, though—we need Silly Walks.
14:45 drojf heh
14:45 * druthb pictures jcamins silly-walking, and giggles.
14:46 mtompset Oh stop it, druthb. :P
14:46 mtompset jcamins for prez! ;)
14:46 druthb jcamins would make a great benevolent dictator.
14:47 mtompset -- leader.
14:47 druthb he's *already* a great leader.  He'd make a great benevolent dictator.
14:48 * druthb is seeking an appointment as Jestress to the Royal Court.
14:50 mtompset jcamins: Would you be a dictator if could be? I don't see him as a dictatorial type, benevolent or otherwise. I do see a passionate leader who works for the best, something like the president of the US needs to do. ;)
14:51 jcamins mtompset: maybe, maybe not.
14:57 drojf as a leader, you would have to take good care of your position 05
14:57 jcamins lol
14:59 mtompset position 05? Is that a MARC joke?
15:00 drojf yes. i made a MARC joke. what have i become…
15:00 jcamins drojf: my laugh was rueful.
15:01 drojf lol
15:03 druthb drojf: welcome to the Dark Side.  jcamins makes the cookies.
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15:03 * cait waves
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15:03 druthb Hi, cait!  :)
15:04 drojf hi cait
15:04 drojf druthb: :)
15:04 cait just a quick visit at my hotel room, then i am off again
15:05 drojf oh jcamins: i got some chickpea flour today. it's only 10x the price of wheat flour. :/
15:05 reiveune bye
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15:05 jcamins drojf: ouch.
15:05 cait ouch
15:06 jcamins Three times the price here.
15:06 drojf i'll have to find it in another store maybe, this one is organic and idon'tknow. harvested at full moon or something
15:22 mtompset (Muppet Thor wants Library Books)
15:22 chris_n can anyone confirm that koha fails to properly process a hold on items with a hold which are checked *in* via the self-checkout mode?
15:23 * chris_n smells a bug
15:24 cait tehy are not set to waiting
15:24 cait yes
15:24 cait that's a feature for our libraries tho :)
15:25 tcohen do we have unit tests fr the reading history stuff?
15:25 cait i think the reason had something to do with slip printing and the hold notices
15:26 cait chris_n: checkin/checkout notices from self check are problematic too - missing the item information it seems
15:26 chris_n cait: so I'll open a bug for the sco issue
15:27 cait chris_n: i think it's by design, just maybe needs a pref, if the 'not waiting' part is what bothers you
15:27 cait but i am not sur if that is your problem
15:28 * cait should be quiet
15:28 chris_n yes, we do not print notices; we have koha send them via email, so they should fill automatically in our case
15:28 chris_n so maybe what you suggest is the fix :)
15:28 chris_n I'll have a look
15:28 cait hm not sure, but we might be talking around each other :)
15:28 chris_n its about time I did something Koha related anyway
15:28 cait for holds maybe ake a look at bug 9138
15:28 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9138 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, SIP2 failing to mark reserves waiting, and sending blank emails
15:29 cait bug 3638
15:29 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface
15:29 cait the thing with the email checkout slips i haven't reported yet, but i have a ticket form one of our libraries - totally unrelated to holds :)
15:29 chris_n well, the worst part is that if a patron checks in via sco, no one is notified that the item with a hold on it has been returned, so no one can complete the process
15:29 cait it will show up in your holds to pick report
15:29 cait holds to pull? holds queue?
15:29 cait both i think
15:30 * chris_n senses that this may be a librarian training issue rather than a bug
15:30 cait and we have a report that the library uses, so they can print the reserve slips on the circulation desk
15:30 chris_n and I'd rather work on a bug any day :P
15:30 chris_n I'll take a look at that report
15:32 chris_n I see it
15:33 chris_n however, I think what they are looking for is something like: check-in via sco > automatically fill highest priority hold
15:34 chris_n so I'm not sure if that is possible currently
15:36 cait how will the user know where the item is?
15:36 cait and how will it get to the pickup location
15:36 cait ?
15:36 cait the hold will be filled as soon as you check it in again - at least that's all how it is in 3.6
15:36 cait we have one library that does self checkin with sip
15:37 cait oh - are we talking sip or web based sco?
15:37 cait i might be too confused today :)
15:40 chris_n cait: the patron who set the hold receives an email stating the hold is available and at location X
15:40 chris_n that part works great
15:40 chris_n ie: if the item is checked in at the circ desk, the librarian fills the hold and the patron receives an email
15:41 chris_n but all bets are off if the item is checked in via sco
15:41 mtompset Lunch time. Bye, #koha.
15:42 cait chris_n: are you using the web based or a sip2 based self check?
15:42 chris_n web based
15:42 cait ah ok
15:42 cait i misunderstood then
15:42 chris_n yeah
15:42 cait i don't work with that
15:42 chris_n web based sco has some issues :)
15:42 * chris_n does not think many people use it
15:43 chris_n there should probably be a common self-check backend
15:43 chris_n into which one could plug any sort of front
15:43 * cait hands chris_n a cookie as apology for being confusing
15:44 chris_n accepted, but really you were not too confusing
15:44 chris_n it made me think the problem through differently
15:44 chris_n and I now know about hold reports
15:45 cait :)
15:45 * chris_n hands cait a mint chocolate brownie for being helpful
15:45 cait yay!
15:48 gaetan_B bye !
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16:44 tcohen gmcharlt: do u have at hand a search history cookie?
16:45 gmcharlt tcohen: not tasty at all!
16:45 * gmcharlt checks
16:45 drojf jcamins: i did not expect chickpea flour to be that powerful! got a massive dough now. \o/
16:46 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "tcohen: search cookie" (1 line) at
16:47 tcohen gmcharlt++
16:48 jcamins drojf: yay!
16:48 jcamins Hey, I need a reminder about some basic Perl.
16:49 jcamins If I want to mock the routine used by new Object(), what routine do I mock?
16:49 jcamins Object::new, or do I need to do something more subtle?
16:52 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5904: make patron search autocompletion respect IndependentBranches <[…]acec15648f7c5ccd9>
16:52 tcohen you mock the routine
16:53 tcohen i'm doing $auth->mock('checkauth', \&MockedCheckauth);
16:53 tcohen for use in get_template_and_user
16:53 jcamins tcohen: sorry, I meant, literally, I want to mock "new Object()"
16:53 jcamins I'm going to try mocking Object->new.
16:54 jcamins If that doesn't work I'll go digging.
16:54 tcohen You could use Test::MockObject instead
17:02 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10786: fix Javascript error on the parcel page <[…]df42f395c89c8df0f>
17:07 jcamins tcohen: looks like mocking Object->new works.
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17:08 tcohen great jcamins
17:09 tcohen what was the way of testing something is an array?
17:12 jcamins I don't remember.
17:15 tcohen np
17:16 gmcharlt tcohen: 'any' for List::MoreUtils
17:24 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10588: improve selection of default branch for OPAC popular items pag <[…]fbacbd8e57cd7eb35>
17:26 tcohen List::MoreUtils, I remember loving 'any'
17:31 jcamins Hey, you know what I just noticed?
17:32 jcamins C4::Matcher would appear to have an over-liberal match policy for bib records.
17:34 tcohen btw, Data::Printer is awesome
17:35 tcohen bye #koha, and shana tova
17:38 jcamins Oh, yeah.
17:38 jcamins It's Rosh Hashana today.
17:38 * jcamins distributes apples and honey.
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17:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:54 mtompset jcamins: I was curious about how the facet problem (mis-counts and showing things that should be hidden) is being addressed in the search re-write. Any information on that?
17:54 jcamins mtompset: it's not being addressed at all at this time.
17:55 jcamins If and when it is addressed, it will be by using a real faceter and not some hacked up thing in C4::Search.
17:56 mtompset So, a solr search setup will have the same facet'ing problem that zebra does, because the facets are "hacked up" in C4::Search?
17:56 jcamins No, because the current Solr code doesn't support anything that uses C4::Search.
17:58 mtompset okay, perhaps I am misunderstanding something. Are the search re-write and the solr code different but overlapping?
17:58 jcamins So I suppose it's possible you would consider the faceting worse.
17:58 jcamins Yes.
17:59 jcamins Unrelated.
17:59 jcamins gmcharlt: I have a question for you about database-dependent versus non-database-dependent unit tests.
17:59 jcamins I'm adding a db-dependent test for C4::Matcher.
17:59 jcamins There is already a t/Matcher.t.
18:00 jcamins I was adding it as a different file: t/db_dependent/Matcher_auth.t. Does that make sense?
18:00 gmcharlt jcamins: yes
18:00 jcamins Thanks.
18:01 jcamins It irks me to make it db-dependent since it doesn't actually require a database, just C4::Context, but discretion being the better part of valor, db-dependent is where it's going.
18:02 gmcharlt yeah, there's been various approaches for mocking bits of C4::Context -- would be worth it document and consolidate
18:06 jcamins gmcharlt: okay, another question about unit tests: I wrote a unit test in order to prove some changes (6 lines) to C4::Matcher correct. My inclination is to break it into two patches, unit test first. Is that over-thinking it?
18:07 gmcharlt jcamins: separate patches match my preference
18:07 gmcharlt it's like telling a story -- tests for new functionality (or regressions), then main patch, then a happy ending of tests passing
18:08 jcamins In this case, the unit test actually passes both before and after the patch.
18:08 jcamins It's a missing follow-up to QueryParser, which makes C4::Matcher use SimpleSearch for auths.
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18:15 gmcharlt cool
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19:28 mtompset jcamins: Thanks for the comment. I know there is no updated test plan, because I didn't notice an original one.
19:29 jcamins mtompset: A) there needs to be a test plan, and B) you definitely have to address why is now dependent on Koha's plugin system, which is entirely unrelated to the cataloging plugins generally.
19:29 jcamins If it is not dependent on the plugin system, you should note that fact.
19:30 mtompset You mean I should set it to no enable_plugins? I thought I had to get it to work.
19:30 mtompset I suppose I should test that. :)
19:30 jcamins I mean that shouldn't be required because the two systems should be unconnected.
19:30 jcamins If there is any connection, you need to explain what it is.
19:31 mtompset Okay... I'll do that later tonight, I finally scrolled back and found the old test plan in comment number 3.
19:31 mtompset did you try to apply the patch?
19:32 mtompset Or are you waiting on the test plan?
19:32 jcamins I didn't look at it because it mentioned the plugins and didn't have an updated test plan.
19:33 mtompset okay.
19:34 mtompset I was just curious if I had messed up the patch and it didn't apply either. :)
19:34 jcamins I would've marked it Patch doesn't apply if it didn't apply.
19:49 rangi fastest swim of the year :)
19:52 rangi by 1 hour
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20:03 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
20:11 drojf rangi: the map never updated for me so i thought he is still swimming circles to get in the mood.
20:11 rangi heh
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20:57 * cait waves
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21:21 rangi back
21:24 eythian[…]e-book-paintings/
21:25 cait hi rangi and eythian
21:25 eythian hi cait
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21:31 rangi
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22:01 pianohacker rangi: ... what the hell am I watching?
22:01 rangi hehe, just a slice of nz
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22:40 jcamins What should we have for dinner?
22:40 cjh jcamins: pizza.
22:40 jcamins cjh: oooh.
22:40 jcamins Yum.
22:40 jcamins Alas, no cheese.
22:41 jcamins Also, I'm not sure I'm waiting until the tomato sauce is done.
22:47 eythian you don't need cheese on pizza, though it is typically there.
22:48 jcamins eythian: I don't have a lot of else, either.
22:48 jcamins *lot else
22:48 eythian sounds like it'll be a pizza base for dinner then!
22:48 jcamins Hehe.
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23:10 ibeardslee cook it, let it cool and then put icecream and chocolate sauce on it
23:12 wizzyrea you could do something like bearnaise sauce, and caramelised onions
23:12 wizzyrea and... olives
23:12 wizzyrea or... chipotle soaked pineapple
23:13 jcamins wizzyrea: wow. You have a weird pantry. :P
23:14 jcamins I just made some tortellini and we had some tomato sauce with it.
23:16 jcamins Very chunky tomato sauce, since it's still too hot to blend.
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23:29 pianohacker Hey #koha, I have a UI question for you. The new cataloging editor uses pazpar2 to do its z3950 search, which is awesome and easy, but comes with one downside
23:29 pianohacker The results are loaded several times, as pazpar2 gets more results and re-sorts them
23:30 pianohacker would you personally prefer to just wait until everything is loaded, or have some approach where, say, if your cursor was above the results, they wouldn't reload until you moved back off?
23:30 dcook I'm not sure I follow, pianohacker
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23:31 jcamins Depends on the latency, but probably I'd prefer it to load fast and frequently.
23:31 eythian make it grey and not interactible with until loading has completed? That way you can see progress, but it doesn't mess up by jumping around underneath you.
23:31 dcook Do you mean something along the lines of "Load X results" then if the scroll down or put your cursor lower down then "Load X + Y results"?
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23:31 jcamins Yeah, eythian's suggestion makes sense.
23:32 pianohacker jcamins: That's definitely nice; the problem is that if you're busy looking at or interacting with results, then they reload, it's a bit jarring
23:32 pianohacker eythian: Hmm, that seems pretty reasonable
23:32 jcamins pianohacker: right, that's why you have to make the reload not jarring.
23:33 dcook Although people are probably fairly use to jarring from FB and other sites
23:33 tcohen jarring?
23:33 jcamins dcook: from Facebook?
23:33 pianohacker Sudden and disorienting
23:33 pianohacker Some kind of crossfade, maybe?
23:34 eythian dcook: that is never an excuse :)
23:34 tcohen wahanui: what's the context?
23:34 wahanui no idea, tcohen
23:34 dcook jcamins: Yeah, some of the screens load a certain number of results and then only load more once you scroll to the bottom, which sometimes causes that jarring effect
23:34 jcamins dcook: I think that's different, because you are doing something to trigger the reloda.
23:35 jcamins *reload
23:35 dcook eythian: You might have a point there, but when it comes to UI design, I don't think we even ask normal users
23:35 eythian dcook: they're resorting though, so it's different.
23:35 dcook Mmm, right resorting.
23:35 dcook I suppose I don't really understand what the UI is supposed to look like in any case.
23:35 pianohacker hrm... screenshot time
23:35 dcook :D
23:36 * dcook is a fan of screenshots
23:36 tcohen are you talking about Koha's UI?
23:36 eythian wahanui: irc logs
23:36 wahanui irc logs are
23:36 eythian tcohen: ^ :)
23:36 tcohen ok ok
23:39 pianohacker <-- Search UI for new cataloging interface
23:40 dcook New cataloguing interface or new Z39.50 interface?
23:40 dcook question didn't make sense
23:41 * dcook tries to reword
23:41 dcook Are you able to edit the MARC in this interface?
23:41 dcook Actually, feel free to ignore that too. I don't want to get off topic.
23:41 eythian it's a search interface
23:41 * dcook thinks eythian's original idea is probably best
23:41 pianohacker dcook: You would click on open to bring it into the cataloging interface under that popup
23:42 jcamins Yeah, I think you need to show the results ASAP, but not make them interactive.
23:42 dcook mhm
23:43 pianohacker I like this plan :)
23:44 pianohacker Any thoughts on the search interface in general? Static images are only so helpful, of course, but most of what you can do is on display
23:45 dcook To be honest, I think it would make the most sense to ask cataloguing librarians
23:45 * dcook supposes he used to be a cataloguing librarian
23:46 dcook I might use different labels than "Open" and "Substitute"
23:46 dcook I like the targets on the left though
23:46 tcohen librarians often do trial and error on the cataloguing quality of the retreived records
23:47 dcook Trial and error?
23:47 pianohacker dcook: I was fighting with those, the difference is subtle... One opens the search result as a new record, the other transposes its contents into the current record
23:47 eythian pianohacker: "open as new", "replace current record"
23:48 pianohacker eythian: Clear but verbose
23:48 dcook "New" "Replace" ?
23:48 pianohacker "Open" and "Replace current", maybe?
23:49 dcook To me "open" is basically the same as "view"
23:49 jcamins I don't like "Open."
23:49 jcamins I agree with dcook.
23:49 jcamins "Open" means "I want to look at this record."
23:49 eythian hmm yeah
23:49 jcamins "Import" is better.
23:49 eythian yes, it is
23:50 dcook Although both options are a type of import
23:50 pianohacker fair enough, makes sense
23:51 dcook Although, I assume "substitute" only comes up when you're using z39.50 within the context of an existing record
23:51 dcook So "Import" probably is the best bet
23:51 pianohacker dcook: yes
23:51 dcook I suppose people would soon figure out that "Import" allows them to edit before saving as well
23:51 dcook Sorry, I'm babbling
23:52 pianohacker There is pervasive undo, so either one isn't the end of the world :)
23:52 dcook Overall, I'm liking this
23:52 * dcook was always a fan of that type of MARC interface
23:53 dcook Very clean
23:53 dcook pianohacker: Are you also working on a new editor screen?
23:54 dcook Or an "advanced editor"?
23:54 pianohacker dcook: Yes indeed, has about the same format as the MARC display from that screenshot, just with fancier fixed field editing
23:55 dcook :D
23:56 dcook pianohacker++
23:56 dcook That is awesome news
23:56 eythian dcook: pianohacker seems to pretty good at this sort of thing. IIRC the sysprefs interface is also his from quite some time ago.
23:56 pianohacker Yup, with some polishing by oleonard
23:56 pianohacker but thank you eythian :)
23:56 dcook pianohacker++
23:56 dcook ;)
23:57 dcook I think two of my biggest pet peaves in Koha are probably the search and the cataloguing, so super excited for your work there
23:59 pianohacker dcook: Glad to hear! I have nengard as my main advisor, so trust me, it should be much better than the current one

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