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rangi |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
rangi: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009) |
| 02:58 |
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rangi |
@quote get 273 |
| 02:58 |
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huginn` |
rangi: Quote #273: "rangi: The main thing I came to realise is -- 'Your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad' - which translates to - 'friends don't let friends use RDA'" (added by wizzyrea at 01:04 AM, August 30, 2013) |
| 02:59 |
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rangi |
ibeardslee: ^^ |
| 02:59 |
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dcook |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
your good ones always end in 3 |
| 03:19 |
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ibeardslee |
rangi: is that in relation to that other discussion? |
| 03:20 |
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rangi |
that was in relation to the 'dont design a cataloguing standard thing, when stephen said think of yourself as a librarian' |
| 03:20 |
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ibeardslee |
ahh |
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eythian |
wahanui: two kinds of people |
| 03:34 |
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wahanui |
eythian: i'm not following you... |
| 03:35 |
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eythian |
wahanui: two kinds of people is those who belive in false dichotomies, and everyone else. |
| 03:35 |
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wahanui |
eythian: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:35 |
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eythian |
wahanui: two kinds of people is those \who belive in false dichotomies, and everyone else. |
| 03:35 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 03:35 |
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dcook |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
10 kinds of people are those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
| 04:24 |
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eythian |
http://www.artvcancer.com/prod[…]hat-thing-he-s-on <-- wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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dac |
Hmm |
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dcook |
yata! |
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dcook |
PHP...you make me a little crazy... |
| 05:31 |
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dcook |
hey ya cait :) |
| 05:32 |
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dcook |
Actually, maybe it's just the code I'm looking at right now which is mindboggling bad... |
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cait |
hi dcook |
| 06:31 |
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cait |
bbl :) |
| 06:32 |
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dcook |
ta cait :) |
| 06:32 |
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rangi |
https://twitter.com/ranginui/s[…]74781442825256961 |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
hello, reiveune |
| 06:33 |
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cait |
lol |
| 06:33 |
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cait |
no idea what accessit is |
| 06:34 |
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dcook |
Me either |
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* dcook |
is looking up info |
| 06:35 |
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dcook |
So far I'm getting a buzzwords and pure marketing. |
| 06:35 |
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cait |
hm yeah and microsort |
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cait |
microsoft |
| 06:35 |
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cait |
but i have to go :) |
| 06:35 |
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cait |
brb |
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rangi |
its some nz schools thing |
| 06:36 |
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rangi |
http://www.accessitlibrary.co.uk/ |
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dcook |
Yeah, that's the link I'm reading now |
| 06:36 |
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dcook |
Visiting rather |
| 06:38 |
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rangi |
im never really one for feature vs feature comparisons, specially when its apples to oranges, like free software vs proprietary |
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rangi |
features are for today, freedom is forever |
| 06:39 |
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dcook |
True that |
| 06:41 |
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dcook |
Not really digging their website. It's very much "Buy our software. It's on the Internet!" |
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dcook |
I don't know. Once you go open source, I don't know why you'd want to go back. |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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* kf |
waves |
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rangi |
hi gaetan_B abd kf |
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kf |
hi rangi :) |
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dcook |
Hey ya drojf |
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dcook |
Night everyone else |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
| 07:25 |
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drojf |
dcook is too fast for at this time of day |
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kf |
:) |
| 07:26 |
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kf |
morning drojf |
| 07:26 |
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kf |
did you write your 3 pages? |
| 07:26 |
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rangi |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
hi kf and rangi |
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drojf |
i wanted four ;) i think i got more but i did not latexify it yet |
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kf |
i just wanted to be nice ;) |
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drojf |
:) |
| 07:33 |
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rangi |
gaetan_B: can you get croinuts in marseille ? |
| 07:33 |
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gaetan_B |
croinuts ? |
| 07:33 |
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rangi |
its a cross between a donut and a croissant |
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gaetan_B |
o_O |
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gaetan_B |
never heard of those |
| 07:34 |
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gaetan_B |
i'll look out for them then ! |
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rangi |
http://www.bordeauxbakery.co.nz/home/ |
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rangi |
they are really really good :) |
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gaetan_B |
i'm in paris so it might be easier to find them here |
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rangi |
ahh true |
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rangi |
it's lucky that bakery is not on my way to work |
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rangi |
or i would eat them every day |
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gaetan_B |
is it new zealand english or are they actually writing english in the french style |
| 07:37 |
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gaetan_B |
"our dear customers" |
| 07:37 |
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gaetan_B |
? |
| 07:38 |
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rangi |
english in the french style :) |
| 07:38 |
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rangi |
i think they only moved to nz about 5 years ago |
| 07:38 |
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gaetan_B |
ok :) |
| 07:39 |
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rangi |
http://www.lacloche.co.nz/ <-- this is my favourite french cafe in wellington |
| 07:41 |
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kf |
rangi: if you ate them every day i would be worried about your health |
| 07:41 |
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kf |
but i bet they are delicious |
| 07:42 |
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kf |
all evil things are :) |
| 07:42 |
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drojf |
"the Cronut (the name is trademarked)". so "croinuts" is the free and open source bakeware version? |
| 07:42 |
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rangi |
must be |
| 07:43 |
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drojf |
:) |
| 07:45 |
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drojf |
'cronuts are "a bold step forward for pastry,"' <-- rofl |
| 07:46 |
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gaetan_B |
actually the idea of deep frying a croissant is quite outrageous if you ask me :D |
| 07:46 |
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rangi |
hehe |
| 07:46 |
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rangi |
paul_p: are you on the code4lib mailing list? |
| 07:47 |
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paul_p |
hi rangi. Yes I do, except I don't read all the messages, there are too many |
| 07:47 |
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rangi |
http://www.mail-archive.com/co[…]edu/msg20174.html |
| 07:48 |
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paul_p |
lol :D |
| 07:49 |
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kf |
paul_p: guess you have to come up with a plan on how to import french cheese into US now - although I think they probably don't let you in with dangerous things like that :) |
| 07:49 |
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rangi |
oh yes |
| 07:49 |
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paul_p |
strange, I have no message since aug 28th |
| 07:49 |
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rangi |
http://www.mail-archive.com/co[…]edu/msg20175.html |
| 07:50 |
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paul_p |
kf = yes I will. I already tried in 2009, and having some cheese properly packed is OK. at least it was for this man that was on the borders ;-) |
| 07:50 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 07:51 |
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kf |
paul_p: i might try swiss chocolate - even if i am not directly in switzerland - but maybe it counts that you can just cross the border from the inner city :) |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn` |
drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.9°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn` |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn` |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (10:40 AM CEST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
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* kf |
wins |
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vfernandes |
hi :) |
| 10:54 |
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vfernandes |
guys i'm having a strange problem in koha 3.12 |
| 10:56 |
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vfernandes |
if I try to add one item to one migrated record the items cataloguing fields appear |
| 10:57 |
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vfernandes |
if I create a new record, when trying to add new items the items cataloguing fields are hidden |
| 10:57 |
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vfernandes |
what could be? |
| 10:59 |
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vfernandes |
wait... my bad :/ the models are different and the subfields are invisible in the editor |
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samueld |
hi everybody :-) |
| 11:42 |
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samueld |
i've a question: when i enabled the system preferences "patronimages", photo of borrower can be imported in koha but where these photos are located in koha? Where i have to define the source where i dowload photos? |
| 11:50 |
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vfernandes |
they are saved in the database |
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vfernandes |
patronimages table or something like that |
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kf |
samueld: there is a tool for mass uploading and you can upload the photo from the patron record |
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kf |
samueld: there is no automated download |
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kf |
samueld: the photos are stored in a database table linked to your borrower record, i think it's patronimages |
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vfernandes |
for mass uploading you need to have a zip file with the images, where each image needs to have borrowernumber as name |
| 11:53 |
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kf |
oh sorry vfernandes - i missed your answer |
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kf |
should read more carefully |
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vfernandes |
kf I've already solved my problem |
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vfernandes |
the subfields where hidden in one framework |
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vfernandes |
thanks anyway :) |
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samueld |
thank you vfernandes :-) |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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tcohen |
@later tell dcook, please share your merge. it looks like the ajax call is not given a json content-type |
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huginn` |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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druthb |
o/ |
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tcohen |
hi druthb |
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druthb |
hi, tcohen. :) |
| 12:53 |
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kf |
hi dc |
| 12:53 |
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kf |
hi druthb and tcohen |
| 12:54 |
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tcohen |
#koha: is HTML5 stuff like file drag and drop acceptable for the staff interface? |
| 12:54 |
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tcohen |
(cover images upload) |
| 12:55 |
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tcohen |
please, don't flood the IRC with your responses :-P |
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tcohen |
hi kf |
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kf |
tcohen: i thik jcamins did something with drag and drop for the opac plugins |
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kf |
i am a bit worried about accessibility - not sure if you could do a fallback? |
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tcohen |
we currently have a way to upload cover images on the tools section |
| 13:08 |
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tcohen |
a fallback mode can be done, using a simple file upload dialog i guess |
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kf |
if there is another way that seems ok, but i am not really an expert |
| 13:12 |
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kf |
file upload sounds good too |
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jcamins |
I don't really see any problems with accessibility. |
| 13:16 |
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kf |
cool :) |
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kf |
hm |
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jcamins |
If your browser doesn't support HTML5, you're going to have problems no matter what. |
| 13:16 |
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kf |
someon else having problems accessing git? |
| 13:17 |
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kf |
ah now it worked :) |
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kf |
powerpoint-- |
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tcohen |
impress 4.1 worked great for me |
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kf |
tcohen: the problem is always the drawings and diagrams for me |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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kf |
tcohen: using existing slides |
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mtompset |
Greetings, kf tcohen lds. :) |
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druthb |
Hi, mtompset! :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb. :) |
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tcohen |
hi mtompset |
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McCloud |
Is anyone here familiar with how Git or GitHub is set up during the Debian package install process? |
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mtompset |
I thought it was on the wiki page. |
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mtompset |
oh... packages don't set up git. |
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mtompset |
git? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 14:32 |
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mtompset |
That page is probably best for you, if you intend to install a development system. |
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mtompset |
packages? |
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wahanui |
i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 14:33 |
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mtompset |
That page is best if you are doing a production system installation. :) |
| 14:33 |
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kf |
McCloud: do you want to do development? |
| 14:40 |
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McCloud |
I'm trying to understand this concept of version control system on my Debian system, compared to say a Ubuntu system. I basically want to know if setting up Debian installs Git or is it set up during the install of Koha? |
| 14:40 |
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jcamins |
McCloud: no. Ideally installing Koha for production should never involve version control. |
| 14:41 |
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jcamins |
And development is not particularly tied to the Linux flavor, though you'll have a lot more luck with with Koha using Debian/Ubuntu/Mint than using Fedora/CentOS/RHEL. |
| 14:41 |
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kf |
McCloud: you only need git if you want to do local changes/development. |
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McCloud |
thank you |
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jcamins |
McCloud: there is a tool you can use to convert a package installation to use git, if you want to do development while still having all the scripts that come with the packages. |
| 14:47 |
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mtompset |
gitify? |
| 14:47 |
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wahanui |
gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 14:47 |
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mtompset |
I see someone did program it. :) |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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drojf |
evening #koha |
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kf |
evening drojf |
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drojf |
hi kf |
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druthb |
hi, drojf! :) |
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tcohen |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
hi druthb and tcohen |
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reiveune |
bye |
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tcohen |
eythian++ # new packages built |
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mtompset |
evening, drojf. Greetings, nengard. |
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nengard |
hiya |
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kf |
bye all - cya later |
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druthb |
Hi, nengard! :) |
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mtompset |
YAY! Self-rolled 3.12.4 works in my QA system. :) |
| 17:12 |
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mtompset |
or not... |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... |
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mtompset |
When you upgrade a packages system... how do you update the koha-conf.xml file? |
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tcohen |
you don't mtompset |
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mtompset |
Okay, manual fix the file it is. :) |
| 17:15 |
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tcohen |
on some ocassions I printed a message on the koha-upgrade-schema run |
| 17:17 |
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mtompset |
Where is the default plugins directory supposed to be? |
| 17:18 |
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tcohen |
packages install? |
| 17:19 |
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mtompset |
Yes. |
| 17:19 |
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mtompset |
It seems related to bug 9890 in part. |
| 17:19 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9890 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Fix the new plugin system for package installs |
| 17:19 |
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tcohen |
/var/lib/koha/$name/plugins |
| 17:20 |
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tcohen |
i know :-P |
| 17:21 |
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tcohen |
did it work for you? |
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mtompset |
still working on it... distracted. :) |
| 17:34 |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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mtompset |
Oh right... the configuration of the plugin. |
| 17:36 |
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tcohen |
<pluginsdir>/var/lib/koha/$name/plugins</pluginsdir> |
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tcohen |
<enable_plugins>1</enable_plugins> |
| 17:38 |
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mtompset |
Shoot... I must have forgotten to package upload.pl? |
| 17:39 |
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tcohen |
why? |
| 17:39 |
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tcohen |
ssh-add |
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tcohen |
eythian? |
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wahanui |
go back to bed, eythian |
| 17:41 |
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mtompset |
The upload.pl plugin isn't listed in my drop down list... I'm attempted to backport 6874 |
| 17:41 |
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mtompset |
bug 6874 |
| 17:41 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that bug 6874 is epic |
| 17:41 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Patch doesn't apply , File upload in MARC |
| 17:42 |
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tcohen |
oh, you're talking about something completely different :-D |
| 17:44 |
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mtompset |
tangentially related. :P |
| 17:48 |
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tcohen |
to rebase or not to rebase (an old patch), that's the question |
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cait |
:) |
| 17:53 |
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mtompset |
I had it working... now its broken again. |
| 17:53 |
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mtompset |
Have to remember what I did to get it working. |
| 18:01 |
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mtompset |
Running through the sysprefs first... |
| 18:02 |
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mtompset |
What is CatalogModuleRelink? |
| 18:03 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]talogModuleRelink |
| 18:04 |
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jcamins |
None of the sysprefs have anything to do with the plugins that show up, though. |
| 18:05 |
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mtompset |
Only the koha-conf.xml? |
| 18:07 |
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jcamins |
You're working with a cataloging plugin, so koha-conf.xml has nothing to do with it either. |
| 18:08 |
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mtompset |
So, why isn't the plugin icon displaying? |
| 18:10 |
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jcamins |
Possible options: you didn't enable it. |
| 18:10 |
|
jcamins |
You need to restart memcached. |
| 18:10 |
|
jcamins |
You are using Plack and need to restart the Plack process. |
| 18:10 |
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mtompset |
I'm not using memcached. |
| 18:10 |
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mtompset |
A newer version is? |
| 18:11 |
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mtompset |
Okay... I did enable it, but now it isn't there. |
| 18:11 |
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mtompset |
I go to re-enable it, and the file I am expecting in the list, isn't listed. |
| 18:12 |
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jcamins |
No, memcached is not enabled by default, I was listing possibilities. |
| 18:13 |
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jcamins |
In that case, I'd guess that probably the file isn't there, isn't executable, or is otherwise unusable. |
| 18:13 |
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mtompset |
I think that is it... Going to recreate it. |
| 18:18 |
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mtompset |
found it... cataloguing/value_builder/upload.pl |
| 18:18 |
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mtompset |
fixing... |
| 18:18 |
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wahanui |
well, fixing is better than wiping, but it's up to you. |
| 18:29 |
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mtompset |
GAH! Shoot... just lost my patch. |
| 18:30 |
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drojf |
iit's the internet. you are allowed to say shit |
| 18:31 |
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jcamins |
But I reserve the right to be offended. |
| 18:31 |
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drojf |
i can live with that. :D |
| 18:31 |
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mtompset |
And I reserve the right to censor myself as a practice of self control. :P |
| 18:32 |
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drojf |
if you insist ;) |
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paul_p |
hello #koha ! |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
hi paul_p |
| 18:57 |
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cait |
paul_p: let's hope some more show up :) |
| 18:58 |
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paul_p |
cait Joubu said he will be here |
| 18:58 |
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cait |
i got an auto-reply from bag, so I think he won't |
| 18:58 |
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cait |
haven't heard from marcelr |
| 18:59 |
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cait |
i suggest we wait until 5 past or so |
| 18:59 |
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bag |
ok I am taking a lunch break from training so I can be here |
| 18:59 |
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cait |
oh hi bag :) |
| 18:59 |
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paul_p |
hi bag ! |
| 18:59 |
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cait |
nice! |
| 19:00 |
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bag |
bb in one sec |
| 19:01 |
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khall |
hey all! |
| 19:01 |
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cait |
hi khall :) |
| 19:01 |
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bag |
back |
| 19:01 |
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cait |
ok, i am a little less worried now :) but some more would be good |
| 19:02 |
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cait |
gmcharlt? mtj? Joubu? rangi? |
| 19:02 |
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bag |
I am training a library in San Francisco - it is such a beautiful library (old brick building - completely restored) /me feeling lucky being here |
| 19:02 |
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cait |
:) |
| 19:02 |
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cait |
how is it going? :) |
| 19:03 |
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bag |
so far cait I think they understand OPAC and Patrons… onto Circ after lunch :) |
| 19:04 |
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cait |
I am travelling to train a library tomorrow - training on thursday and friday :) |
| 19:04 |
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cait |
it's always exciting |
| 19:05 |
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bag |
I love it |
| 19:05 |
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cait |
ok, people think we should start? |
| 19:06 |
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paul_p |
cait = we can I think |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
#startmeeting QA Team Meeting |
| 19:06 |
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huginn` |
Meeting started Tue Sep 3 19:06:29 2013 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:06 |
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huginn` |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 19:06 |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) |
| 19:06 |
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huginn` |
The meeting name has been set to 'qa_team_meeting' |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
#topic introductions |
| 19:06 |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 19:06 |
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Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
ok, quick poll - who is around? :) |
| 19:07 |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 19:07 |
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bag |
#info Brendan Gallagher |
| 19:07 |
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paul_p |
#info Paul Poulain, BibLibre |
| 19:07 |
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khall |
#info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:07 |
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cait |
#topic Agenda |
| 19:07 |
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Topic for #koha is now Agenda (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) |
| 19:07 |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 19:07 |
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cait |
ah :) |
| 19:08 |
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cait |
ok, today's agenda is on the wiki |
| 19:08 |
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Joubu |
(sorry for being late) |
| 19:08 |
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cait |
#info Agenda: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rd_September_2013 |
| 19:08 |
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cait |
we are not as many as I had hoped for |
| 19:08 |
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cait |
but maybe we can still discuss a few things and gather some ideas |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
is there something missing on the agenda? or something we should leave out for today? Discuss first? |
| 19:10 |
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paul_p |
cait = joubu & I have discussed of what we putted on the agenda, you added a few things that I agree with, so the agenda is OK for me |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
do i need to bribe you all with cookies? |
| 19:10 |
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paul_p |
;-) |
| 19:10 |
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khall |
looks good to me! |
| 19:10 |
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druthb |
#info Ruth Bavousett |
| 19:10 |
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druthb |
I'm here, with cookies! |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
:) |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
ok, i think we got another agenda item |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
ruth has offered to help out with QA |
| 19:11 |
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khall |
druthb++ |
| 19:11 |
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cait |
#topic QA team |
| 19:11 |
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Topic for #koha is now QA team (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) |
| 19:11 |
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cait |
khall: i think that was a yes? :) |
| 19:11 |
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khall |
absolutely! |
| 19:11 |
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druthb |
Not sure how much time I'll have, but I'll try to throw a few in, particularly on the UNIMARC patches that are needing signoff, and other things that Her Caitness needs me to do. |
| 19:11 |
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paul_p |
druthb++ (yes for me as well |
| 19:11 |
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paul_p |
) |
| 19:11 |
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cait |
any more opinions? |
| 19:11 |
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bag |
I can test SIP - but all SIP2 patches in agenda are from khall so I can't… perhaps I can schedule sometime with cait to help QA those? |
| 19:12 |
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khall |
bag: how about those ldap related patches? |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
bag: that would be helpful - i have figured out how to set up the sip server by now :) |
| 19:12 |
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bag |
I will do the LDAP one. I can test that :) |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
great :) |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
let's move a bit slower so i can keep up |
| 19:12 |
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bag |
heh |
| 19:12 |
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cait |
i will note that we have ruth on the qa team now |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
#info druthb will join the QA team to help out qa'ing |
| 19:13 |
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paul_p |
bag & cait & others = in the previous release, the rule for QA was "anyone from the QA team, even someone involved in the patch or signoff, can QA once the patch is more than 1 month old". afaik, this rule has not been cancelled |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
no it has not, but the old ones are pretty complicated |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
so i think for those it's a bit difficult |
| 19:14 |
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cait |
let me st a new topic |
| 19:14 |
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cait |
#topic QA priorities |
| 19:14 |
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Topic for #koha is now QA priorities (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) |
| 19:14 |
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cait |
ok |
| 19:14 |
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cait |
we have bag for LDAP? |
| 19:14 |
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bag |
oh paul_p I did not know that |
| 19:14 |
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paul_p |
bag meeting already useful then ;-) |
| 19:14 |
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cait |
#action bag offered to QA LDAP patches - starting with bug 9299 |
| 19:14 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9299 major, P3, ---, nunyo, Signed Off , for loop in Auth_with_ldap.pm requires an extended patron attribute to be set or LDAP logins fail |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
#action bag also offered to help cait test SIP2 patches |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
;) |
| 19:15 |
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khall |
nor did I. I assume QA'ing my own original patch would be a bad idea still? But QAing something where I only wrote a followup would be ok, assuming it's older than a month. |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
ok, and druthb would offer to look at UNIMARC? |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
khall: definitely |
| 19:15 |
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druthb |
yis. |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
and it's an emergency rule |
| 19:15 |
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cait |
and not for huge patches |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
#action druthb will try to take a look at UNIMARC patches |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
i am going to add you as a QA contact to those later? |
| 19:16 |
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bag |
what equals a HUGE patch? |
| 19:16 |
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bag |
bigger font? :P |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
bug 8015 is quite huge if you look at the list of patches there |
| 19:16 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8015 new feature, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add MARC Modifications Templates |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
i think big new features count as huge |
| 19:17 |
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* druthb |
hands cait the wiffle bat, to use as needed on rowdy Californians. |
| 19:17 |
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cait |
i think it would be better if you get worried about a bug to contact other qa team members who can take a look first |
| 19:17 |
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bag |
sounds like a good idea |
| 19:17 |
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mtj |
hi all |
| 19:18 |
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cait |
hi mtj |
| 19:18 |
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cait |
I know currently a lot of things are stuck in the queue |
| 19:18 |
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* mtj |
reads the scrollback... |
| 19:18 |
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cait |
that's part of the reason for the meeting... I think we need to try and lower the numbers |
| 19:18 |
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cait |
because the deadlines are getting really close |
| 19:19 |
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Joubu |
I started to qa 8015 and submitted a lot of followups, so I would prefer others pair of eyes look at it. But it looks very good to me! |
| 19:19 |
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cait |
bug 8015 |
| 19:19 |
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wahanui |
bug 8015 is quite huge if you look at the list of patches there |
| 19:19 |
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cait |
Joubu: I am going to try - but i don't have a lot of spare time right now - september is busy month here, which is a problem |
| 19:19 |
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paul_p |
cait OTOH, without galen pushing, reducing QA queue won't be successfull (too bad gmcharlt is not around...) |
| 19:20 |
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cait |
paul_p: gmcharlt wanted to be here, but i think he has been travelling the last few days and only comes back today |
| 19:20 |
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cait |
I think even RM deserves some days off? :) |
| 19:22 |
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druthb |
no days off for the RM! |
| 19:22 |
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cait |
i know that developers are frustrated about their things not going in |
| 19:22 |
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cait |
it's understandable |
| 19:22 |
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cait |
but we only can change that by working together - i can't do a lot more than i have been doing the last few months - so I really need some help here to get things moving |
| 19:22 |
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bag |
how many passed QA are still waiting to be pushed? |
| 19:22 |
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khall |
we currently have 63 bugs set to Passed QA |
| 19:22 |
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drojf |
#info Mirko Tietgen, lurking |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
hi drojf |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
dashboard? |
| 19:23 |
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wahanui |
dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 19:23 |
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* bag |
sends caffeine to gmcharlt |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
bag: the numbers are there, in color :) |
| 19:23 |
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drojf |
or is it over already? :) |
| 19:23 |
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bag |
cait I am THE dense sometimes :P |
| 19:23 |
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cait |
i think the one waiting to be pushed are not the problem, those numbers tend to get lower pretty fast when the RM is in action |
| 19:24 |
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cait |
and we can help out with giving things a second sign off there too |
| 19:24 |
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cait |
i think the queues we need to discuss are waiting for qa and needs sign-off |
| 19:25 |
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mtj |
agreed |
| 19:26 |
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cait |
I would reall ylike to try and get the number of bugs down in that queue first - because those get transported down into the maintained versions |
| 19:26 |
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paul_p |
cait = I agree we have to speak of the to-qa queue, but the pile of passed QA patches contains 10 patches that are pending since june. So I don't share your optimism about the QA queue being lowered when the RM pushes. But let's speak of the to-qa queue |
| 19:26 |
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cait |
and we should have them as stable as possible |
| 19:27 |
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cait |
paul_p: I know some of those are quite big |
| 19:27 |
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khall |
that's a sensible proposition. Is there anyway to filter bugzilla for just signed-off bugs? I haven't found one. |
| 19:28 |
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bag |
hmm do some of the to-qa patches depend on "passed QA" to be pushed? |
| 19:28 |
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cait |
khall: not sure i understand you right : ) but thequeues on he dashboard are linked :) |
| 19:28 |
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paul_p |
cait I already have said that many times, but my conviction is that "push asap enhancement, and take time to test/check them before release" is the most efficent way to go |
| 19:28 |
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cait |
yeah, but noone is going to test |
| 19:28 |
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paul_p |
cait (an off topic question once again...) |
| 19:29 |
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cait |
noone is going to take that time |
| 19:29 |
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cait |
in my experience :) and i have said that before |
| 19:29 |
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khall |
I'm afraid I agree with both cait and paul_p ; ) |
| 19:29 |
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cait |
if noone takes the time before they go oin - it's unlikely someone will once they do |
| 19:30 |
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cait |
pulling things out that have proven problamtic after being pushed has proved quite hard |
| 19:30 |
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cait |
and getting bugs fixed often as well |
| 19:30 |
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cait |
but we will always disagree on that I think :) |
| 19:30 |
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khall |
cait: I can search for all signed-off patches easily, but I'm not aware of any way to filter by "Importance" |
| 19:30 |
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bag |
doesn't signoff and QA help eliminate some of that problem though? isn't that the point? |
| 19:30 |
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paul_p |
cait = i'd like to leave this question for later, and go back to agenda. But that's a topic for hackfest, probably... |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
khall: you can add severity and priority to the list as columns, the option is at the bottom of the bugzilla search result list |
| 19:31 |
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khall |
agreed, we could discuss this for hours |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
khall: andsort by those |
| 19:31 |
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khall |
thanks cait! |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
bag: yep i think that is the point :) |
| 19:31 |
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cait |
ok, i think we are not ´moving here... so moving on seems like a good idea |
| 19:32 |
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cait |
#topic passing QA |
| 19:32 |
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Topic for #koha is now passing QA (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) |
| 19:33 |
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cait |
we have seen a lot of work on unit tests lately :) that's great |
| 19:33 |
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cait |
kenza++ again |
| 19:33 |
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cait |
i also find them really helpful when doing QA |
| 19:33 |
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cait |
and I think we should encourage them the best we can |
| 19:34 |
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cait |
I think currently we have been asking for tests for new subs and changes to existing ones |
| 19:34 |
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cait |
that seems to work quite well |
| 19:35 |
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paul_p |
agreed. |
| 19:35 |
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khall |
agreed |
| 19:35 |
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druthb |
+1 |
| 19:35 |
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cait |
cool :) so we can agree! :) |
| 19:35 |
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bag |
+1 |
| 19:36 |
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cait |
@agreed ask for unit tests when new routines get added to the API and existing ones are being changed |
| 19:36 |
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huginn` |
cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 19:36 |
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paul_p |
side question = do we have a "qa rule" page on the wiki. I think we should |
| 19:36 |
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cait |
#agreed agreed ask for unit tests when new routines get added to the API and existing ones are being changed |
| 19:36 |
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cait |
no, we haven't one yet - but i think it's a good idea |
| 19:36 |
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bag |
yes that would be nice |
| 19:37 |
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cait |
#action add a page with information about QA to the wiki |
| 19:37 |
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Joubu |
I agree too, even if a lot of modules/routines are not easy at all to test without having a global unit tests file for this module |
| 19:37 |
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paul_p |
QA manager, you take care of creating it ? |
| 19:37 |
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cait |
i thik the unit test one could maybe go on the coding guidelines as well - if the RM agrees |
| 19:37 |
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cait |
i can |
| 19:38 |
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paul_p |
Joubu can you give more details about " a lot of modules/routines are not easy at all to test without having a global unit tests file" ? Could we quickly add an "empty" unit test file for all modules ? |
| 19:38 |
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mtj |
looks like we all agree about the unit tests :) |
| 19:38 |
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paul_p |
something like a framework |
| 19:39 |
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cait |
Joubu: is the problem creating the data? |
| 19:39 |
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khall |
cait: I'd say that's usually the most difficult part for me. |
| 19:39 |
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cait |
i think it got easier using transactions now |
| 19:40 |
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cait |
i have tried my hands on some and it's seems a lot easier than mocking |
| 19:40 |
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cait |
but i am still stuck on a patch where i need to mock a cgi object |
| 19:40 |
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cait |
... |
| 19:40 |
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khall |
the biggest problem I see with requiring unit tests for exisiting subroutines are some are quite large and do far too much |
| 19:40 |
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Joubu |
C4::Circ, C4::Auth, C4::Acq don't have unit tests for all routines. It will be though to modify some routines in these modules. |
| 19:40 |
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Joubu |
tough |
| 19:40 |
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cait |
i thik we can still make exceptions in some cases, but without trying we won't get good examples to copy from |
| 19:41 |
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cait |
i am iwlling to make exceptions for bugs for example |
| 19:41 |
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cait |
if the solution can be tested well using a test plan |
| 19:41 |
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khall |
agreed. I think new subs need a strict requiremtn for unit tests, existing code a yes with case by case exemptions |
| 19:42 |
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cait |
i think maybe differentiate between adding new features and fixing bad behaviour there too |
| 19:43 |
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cait |
I'd like to postpone the discussion about the new module |
| 19:43 |
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khall |
yes. We don't want to hold up bugfixes any more than we have too |
| 19:43 |
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cait |
I'd like to get an opinion of gmcharlt on the possiblity of dbix for 3.14 |
| 19:44 |
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bag |
that would be great |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
it would be |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
Joubu: i am sorry, i know that#s your topic, i will try to follow up on that |
| 19:46 |
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cait |
ok to move on to the next topic? should I add something more to the minutes? |
| 19:47 |
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Joubu |
I asked Galen to give his opinion on bug 10363, but I didn't have any feedback |
| 19:47 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , There is no package for authorised values. |
| 19:47 |
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cait |
Joubu: i will try to look after that one |
| 19:48 |
|
cait |
which brings me to the next topic :) |
| 19:48 |
|
cait |
#topic Ideas to improve throughput |
| 19:48 |
|
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Topic for #koha is now Ideas to improve throughput (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) |
| 19:49 |
|
bag |
cloning Joubu and the rest of the team |
| 19:50 |
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cait |
bag: not sure i can let that count :) but .... oh well |
| 19:50 |
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cait |
#idea clone the QA team :) |
| 19:50 |
|
cait |
something else? :) |
| 19:50 |
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mtj |
falling back on the 1 month rule would indeed improve throughput |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
but in the wrong way. |
| 19:51 |
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Joubu |
I think QAers should not failed QA a patch for minor things (some tabs, etc.) but rather submit a followup themselves |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
Joubu: I agree |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
also capitalization maybe |
| 19:51 |
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cait |
small things, not changing logic |
| 19:51 |
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Joubu |
no, of course |
| 19:52 |
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cait |
#idea QA team can provide follow ups for small problems (tabs, typos, capitalization...) |
| 19:52 |
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mtj |
joubu, agreed, thats what i usually do |
| 19:52 |
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cait |
i have found it's easier to qa big patches when the developer is around to ask questions |
| 19:53 |
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cait |
i have done that a few times and it was quite productive |
| 19:53 |
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Joubu |
mtj: yes, me too |
| 19:53 |
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paul_p |
cait & joubu = that's what I made when I was RM and QAed patches. small things like capitalization or things like that are easy to fix & should be by the QAer |
| 19:53 |
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cait |
i think we see a similar effect during the hackfests too |
| 19:53 |
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jcamins |
Joubu: in cases where it would take longer to do the follow-up, I suggest just failing it. That was my rule during 3.12. If it's faster to fix than ask for a fix, fix it. Otherwise, kick it back and ask for a fix. |
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cait |
#idea set up a time with the developer to work on their patches - so you can ask questions |
| 19:54 |
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bag |
maybe have a QA day or sprint? like we scheduled this meeting - or something similar to Global bug squashing day |
| 19:55 |
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cait |
GBSD might help with that - we could be around looking at patches of developers that are on IRC that time, give feedback more directly |
| 19:55 |
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cait |
ah, bag is typing faster :) |
| 19:55 |
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bag |
it's the coffee - not me |
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cait |
i was thinking maybe fold it into gbsd - but we could also do a special one |
| 19:56 |
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paul_p |
I really love the idea of setting up a time to discuss of a given bug. Something regular, like "every friday, at 6AM GMT" |
| 19:56 |
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druthb |
special_qa_sprint_day++ |
| 19:56 |
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cait |
would it be possible that people dedicate some time to that idea? |
| 19:56 |
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cait |
if we set up a date? |
| 19:56 |
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bag |
if the date is set - I can clear my schedule with enough notice |
| 19:56 |
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druthb |
6 AM GMT? And here I thought that the French had given up on torture. |
| 19:56 |
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cait |
#idea have a QA sprint day |
| 19:57 |
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cait |
i guess it would have to be a global friday - we are really far spread around the globe |
| 19:58 |
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cait |
this time is late for europe, but actually the best option we have with the qa team widely spread |
| 19:58 |
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cait |
should we try and set a date for a qa sprint? |
| 19:58 |
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bag |
would be best to have RM present - maybe fridays aren't the best for him? let's pole the RM |
| 19:58 |
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cait |
pole? |
| 19:59 |
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bag |
poll |
| 19:59 |
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paul_p |
druthb it was just an example. and we could have various options. |
| 19:59 |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
maybe we could suggest a date |
| 19:59 |
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druthb |
paul_p: :P |
| 19:59 |
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cait |
and see if that works |
| 19:59 |
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bag |
cait: let's do it and see what happens |
| 19:59 |
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cait |
what about.... |
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* cait |
searches for her calendar |
| 20:00 |
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mtj |
how about a wednesday? |
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wahanui |
a wednesday is fine for me |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
wednesdy woudl work for me |
| 20:01 |
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Joubu |
It would be really great if wahanui could qa patches... |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
what about 11th? |
| 20:01 |
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mtj |
+1 |
| 20:02 |
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drojf |
you know that there is the regular meeting too? |
| 20:02 |
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cait |
no, but might not be a bad thing |
| 20:03 |
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cait |
i mean it doesn't necessarily interfere |
| 20:03 |
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cait |
hm depends if we want to set a time too or make it a global one |
| 20:04 |
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cait |
we could also make it thursday |
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cait |
or friday |
| 20:04 |
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cait |
12th or 13th |
| 20:04 |
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cait |
any preferences? |
| 20:05 |
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paul_p |
12th could be possible for me. 13th (my) morning won't be possible |
| 20:05 |
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bag |
+1 |
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Joubu |
+1 |
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bag |
alright back to training for me - cya later |
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cait |
that's for 12th? |
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cait |
#agreed 12th September suggested date for QA sprint |
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cait |
mtj: ok for you too? sorry i might have been too fast |
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cait |
ok, any more ideas? |
| 20:07 |
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mtj |
ok for me too :) |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
would someone be willing ot set up a wiki page for it? |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
i am travelling all day tomorrow and it would be nice to get that out and announced |
| 20:08 |
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mtj |
i can do the wiki page today |
| 20:09 |
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druthb |
mtj++ |
| 20:09 |
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cait |
mtj: awesome! |
| 20:09 |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cait |
| 20:09 |
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cait |
mtj++ |
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paul_p |
mtj++ ! |
| 20:09 |
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cait |
#action mtj to create a wiki page for the first QA sprint |
| 20:09 |
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* druthb |
puts .76 Euro in the jar for cait. |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
thx druthb |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
do we want to set up another meeting? |
| 20:10 |
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cait |
or see how the qa sprint works out first? |
| 20:11 |
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paul_p |
cait I don't have a preference |
| 20:11 |
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paul_p |
cait both are possible |
| 20:12 |
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cait |
so let's see how the qa sprint goes |
| 20:12 |
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cait |
i#d love if as many qa people as possible coudl dedicate sometime |
| 20:12 |
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cait |
maybe send a note to the list or put on the wiki page when you can be around |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
working on qA |
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mtj |
cait, ill ping you when the wiki is done |
| 20:14 |
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cait |
thank you mtj |
| 20:14 |
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cait |
and thx for volunteering |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
maybe you could add a section for a little schedule? let's see if we can make use of being globally spread? |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
ok, i am going to close the meeting now |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
#agreed new meeting to be determined after QA sprint day |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-03-19.06.html |
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huginn` |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-09-03-19.06.txt |
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Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-19.06.log.html |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
thx for coming everyone |
| 20:15 |
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mtj |
so, any idea for the frequency of the sprints… ? say every 2 or 4 weeks? |
| 20:15 |
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druthb |
cait++ |
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drojf |
cait++ |
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cait |
every 2 would be good ad we are getting so close to the deadlines, but not sure we can make it happen |
| 20:16 |
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mtj |
thanx cait++ |
| 20:16 |
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cait |
let's work together on making this first a good start |
| 20:16 |
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Joubu |
cait++ thanks ! |
| 20:16 |
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mtj |
yeah, 2 weeks is good, i think |
| 20:16 |
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cait |
Joubu++ thx for adding to the agenda |
| 20:17 |
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rangi |
cait++ #for caling the meeting and for valuing stability over speed |
| 20:18 |
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mtj |
i really like this qa-sprint idea :) |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
i really hope it works :) |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
i think we can set a good example, maybe get some people testing etc. |
| 20:18 |
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Joubu |
cait: you are welcome, but I hope my "important" point could be discussed later :) |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
we can only do something together - blaming each other won't work :) |
| 20:18 |
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cait |
Joubu: it's not forgotten |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
what was your important point? |
| 20:20 |
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* rangi |
will read back after he has dropped the kids at school |
| 20:22 |
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Joubu |
rangi: it is about bug 10363: should we wait the integration of DBIx into Koha before adding new modules? |
| 20:22 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , There is no package for authorised values. |
| 20:23 |
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rangi |
ah yeah, i have some work that is waiting too |
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rangi |
http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]ffa46052ee38063ce |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
and |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]b8d2723ea86a8ccd4 |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
+ my $borrowers = Koha::Borrower->new(); |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
+ my $borrower = $borrowers->get_borrower( { 'cardnumber' => $userid } ); |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
+ my %row = $borrower->get_columns; |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
^^ so much nicer :) |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
maybe we could get together about dbix class sometimes? i would like to elarn more |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
basically we need to fix the foreign key problems in the db |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
then the dbix::class work can get pushed |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
then all the stuff depending on it can |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
i just need to check with gmcharlt that he is ok with me working to try to fix the db |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
cos if we can do that |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
we can remove that one problematic line |
| 20:26 |
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cait |
i am interested in helping |
| 20:26 |
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cait |
it would help my work on our deletion concept |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
(byproduct is we would get better db out of it too) |
| 20:29 |
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Joubu |
rangi: yes but the patch refactors the AV code into a new module (without using DBIx), adding unit tests. The discussion is : should we rewrite the patch or include it as it is (since it improves the code)? |
| 20:29 |
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Joubu |
anyway, go to bed. bye #koha |
| 20:29 |
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cait |
bye Joubu |
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cait |
added minutes - now goin gto pack |
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rangi |
Joubu: ah that would totally be the RM call in that case |
| 21:14 |
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rangi |
id probably lean towards including, but with a big #REWRITE ME all over it |
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eythian |
hi |
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drojf |
hi eythian |
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rangi |
http://cspf.co.uk/tracking <-- if you look here from 0600 UTC and choose sea farer II |
| 21:44 |
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rangi |
yuo can watch the swimmer catalyst is sponsoring swimming the channel |
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drojf |
i hope it is at least FOSS swimming. :P |
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mtompset |
drojf: You mean you FOSS-t, right? ;) |
| 21:49 |
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mtompset |
DOH! I better grab some caffeine, that parsed badly. |
| 21:50 |
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drojf |
i have no idea what that meant. but i was blaming it on being awake too long :) |
| 21:50 |
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mtompset |
You were trying to make a pun on fast, right? |
| 21:52 |
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mtompset |
Almost recovered the patch now... but the silly window isn't popping up right. |
| 22:34 |
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mtompset |
YAY! Patch fixed again. |
| 22:35 |
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mtompset |
Well, I'll try placing it later tonight. |
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eythian |
http://osdc.org.nz/2013/09/03/[…]-francois-marier/ <-- rangi |
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eythian |
http://www.yubico.com/2013/05/browserid-yubikey/ <-- also rangi |
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rangi |
sweet |
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Brooke |
yo! |
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rangi |
hi Brooke |
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Brooke |
:) how's it? |
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rangi |
not too bad |
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tcohen |
hi rangi |
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Brooke |
good to hear |
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