Time  Nick          Message
23:59 pianohacker   dcook: Glad to hear! I have nengard as my main advisor, so trust me, it should be much better than the current one
23:57 dcook         I think two of my biggest pet peaves in Koha are probably the search and the cataloguing, so super excited for your work there
23:56 dcook         ;)
23:56 dcook         pianohacker++
23:56 pianohacker   but thank you eythian :)
23:56 pianohacker   Yup, with some polishing by oleonard
23:56 eythian       dcook: pianohacker seems to pretty good at this sort of thing. IIRC the sysprefs interface is also his from quite some time ago.
23:56 dcook         That is awesome news
23:56 dcook         pianohacker++
23:55 dcook         :D
23:54 pianohacker   dcook: Yes indeed, has about the same format as the MARC display from that screenshot, just with fancier fixed field editing
23:54 dcook         Or an "advanced editor"?
23:53 dcook         pianohacker: Are you also working on a new editor screen?
23:53 dcook         Very clean
23:52 * dcook       was always a fan of that type of MARC interface
23:52 dcook         Overall, I'm liking this
23:52 pianohacker   There is pervasive undo, so either one isn't the end of the world :)
23:51 dcook         Sorry, I'm babbling
23:51 dcook         I suppose people would soon figure out that "Import" allows them to edit before saving as well
23:51 pianohacker   dcook: yes
23:51 dcook         So "Import" probably is the best bet
23:51 dcook         Although, I assume "substitute" only comes up when you're using z39.50 within the context of an existing record
23:50 pianohacker   fair enough, makes sense
23:50 dcook         Although both options are a type of import
23:49 eythian       yes, it is
23:49 jcamins       "Import" is better.
23:49 eythian       hmm yeah
23:49 jcamins       "Open" means "I want to look at this record."
23:49 jcamins       I agree with dcook.
23:49 jcamins       I don't like "Open."
23:49 dcook         To me "open" is basically the same as "view"
23:48 pianohacker   "Open" and "Replace current", maybe?
23:48 dcook         "New" "Replace" ?
23:48 pianohacker   eythian: Clear but verbose
23:47 eythian       pianohacker: "open as new", "replace current record"
23:47 pianohacker   dcook: I was fighting with those, the difference is subtle... One opens the search result as a new record, the other transposes its contents into the current record
23:47 dcook         Trial and error?
23:46 tcohen        librarians often do trial and error on the cataloguing quality of the retreived records
23:46 dcook         I like the targets on the left though
23:46 dcook         I might use different labels than "Open" and "Substitute"
23:45 * dcook       supposes he used to be a cataloguing librarian
23:45 dcook         To be honest, I think it would make the most sense to ask cataloguing librarians
23:44 pianohacker   Any thoughts on the search interface in general? Static images are only so helpful, of course, but most of what you can do is on display
23:43 pianohacker   I like this plan :)
23:42 dcook         mhm
23:42 jcamins       Yeah, I think you need to show the results ASAP, but not make them interactive.
23:41 pianohacker   dcook: You would click on open to bring it into the cataloging interface under that popup
23:41 * dcook       thinks eythian's original idea is probably best
23:41 eythian       it's a search interface
23:41 dcook         Actually, feel free to ignore that too. I don't want to get off topic.
23:41 dcook         Are you able to edit the MARC in this interface?
23:41 * dcook       tries to reword
23:40 dcook         Errr...my question didn't make sense
23:40 dcook         New cataloguing interface or new Z39.50 interface?
23:39 pianohacker   http://i.imgur.com/8ewb1Bx.png <-- Search UI for new cataloging interface
23:36 tcohen        ok ok
23:36 eythian       tcohen: ^ :)
23:36 wahanui       irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
23:36 eythian       wahanui: irc logs
23:36 tcohen        are you talking about Koha's UI?
23:36 * dcook       is a fan of screenshots
23:35 dcook         :D
23:35 pianohacker   hrm... screenshot time
23:35 dcook         I suppose I don't really understand what the UI is supposed to look like in any case.
23:35 dcook         Mmm, right resorting.
23:35 eythian       dcook: they're resorting though, so it's different.
23:35 dcook         eythian: You might have a point there, but when it comes to UI design, I don't think we even ask normal users
23:35 jcamins       *reload
23:34 jcamins       dcook: I think that's different, because you are doing something to trigger the reloda.
23:34 dcook         jcamins: Yeah, some of the screens load a certain number of results and then only load more once you scroll to the bottom, which sometimes causes that jarring effect
23:34 wahanui       no idea, tcohen
23:34 tcohen        wahanui: what's the context?
23:34 eythian       dcook: that is never an excuse :)
23:33 pianohacker   Some kind of crossfade, maybe?
23:33 pianohacker   Sudden and disorienting
23:33 jcamins       dcook: from Facebook?
23:33 tcohen        jarring?
23:33 dcook         Although people are probably fairly use to jarring from FB and other sites
23:32 jcamins       pianohacker: right, that's why you have to make the reload not jarring.
23:32 pianohacker   eythian: Hmm, that seems pretty reasonable
23:32 pianohacker   jcamins: That's definitely nice; the problem is that if you're busy looking at or interacting with results, then they reload, it's a bit jarring
23:31 jcamins       Yeah, eythian's suggestion makes sense.
23:31 dcook         Do you mean something along the lines of "Load X results" then if the scroll down or put your cursor lower down then "Load X + Y results"?
23:31 eythian       make it grey and not interactible with until loading has completed? That way you can see progress, but it doesn't mess up by jumping around underneath you.
23:31 jcamins       Depends on the latency, but probably I'd prefer it to load fast and frequently.
23:30 dcook         I'm not sure I follow, pianohacker
23:30 pianohacker   would you personally prefer to just wait until everything is loaded, or have some approach where, say, if your cursor was above the results, they wouldn't reload until you moved back off?
23:29 pianohacker   The results are loaded several times, as pazpar2 gets more results and re-sorts them
23:29 pianohacker   Hey #koha, I have a UI question for you. The new cataloging editor uses pazpar2 to do its z3950 search, which is awesome and easy, but comes with one downside
23:16 jcamins       Very chunky tomato sauce, since it's still too hot to blend.
23:14 jcamins       I just made some tortellini and we had some tomato sauce with it.
23:13 jcamins       wizzyrea: wow. You have a weird pantry. :P
23:12 wizzyrea      or... chipotle soaked pineapple
23:12 wizzyrea      and... olives
23:12 wizzyrea      you could do something like bearnaise sauce, and caramelised onions
23:10 ibeardslee    cook it, let it cool and then put icecream and chocolate sauce on it
22:48 jcamins       Hehe.
22:48 eythian       sounds like it'll be a pizza base for dinner then!
22:48 jcamins       *lot else
22:48 jcamins       eythian: I don't have a lot of else, either.
22:47 eythian       you don't need cheese on pizza, though it is typically there.
22:41 jcamins       Also, I'm not sure I'm waiting until the tomato sauce is done.
22:40 jcamins       Alas, no cheese.
22:40 jcamins       Yum.
22:40 jcamins       cjh: oooh.
22:40 cjh           jcamins: pizza.
22:40 jcamins       What should we have for dinner?
22:01 rangi         hehe, just a slice of nz
22:01 pianohacker   rangi: ... what the hell am I watching?
21:31 rangi         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWLlDIzi8SU
21:25 eythian       hi cait
21:25 cait          hi rangi and eythian
21:24 eythian       http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2013/09/fore-edge-book-paintings/
21:21 rangi         back
20:57 * cait        waves
20:11 rangi         heh
20:11 drojf         rangi: the map never updated for me so i thought he is still swimming circles to get in the mood.
20:03 mtompset      Have a great day, #koha.
19:52 rangi         by 1 hour
19:49 rangi         fastest swim of the year :)
19:34 jcamins       I would've marked it Patch doesn't apply if it didn't apply.
19:34 mtompset      I was just curious if I had messed up the patch and it didn't apply either. :)
19:33 mtompset      okay.
19:32 jcamins       I didn't look at it because it mentioned the plugins and didn't have an updated test plan.
19:32 mtompset      Or are you waiting on the test plan?
19:31 mtompset      did you try to apply the patch?
19:31 mtompset      Okay... I'll do that later tonight, I finally scrolled back and found the old test plan in comment number 3.
19:30 jcamins       If there is any connection, you need to explain what it is.
19:30 jcamins       I mean that shouldn't be required because the two systems should be unconnected.
19:30 mtompset      I suppose I should test that. :)
19:30 mtompset      You mean I should set it to no enable_plugins? I thought I had to get it to work.
19:29 jcamins       If it is not dependent on the plugin system, you should note that fact.
19:29 jcamins       mtompset: A) there needs to be a test plan, and B) you definitely have to address why upload.pl is now dependent on Koha's plugin system, which is entirely unrelated to the cataloging plugins generally.
19:28 mtompset      jcamins: Thanks for the comment. I know there is no updated test plan, because I didn't notice an original one.
18:24 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9603 - Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76a1a00977657132180f0715d96db5702565f1bf>
18:15 gmcharlt      cool
18:08 jcamins       It's a missing follow-up to QueryParser, which makes C4::Matcher use SimpleSearch for auths.
18:08 jcamins       In this case, the unit test actually passes both before and after the patch.
18:07 gmcharlt      it's like telling a story -- tests for new functionality (or regressions), then main patch, then a happy ending of tests passing
18:07 gmcharlt      jcamins: separate patches match my preference
18:06 jcamins       gmcharlt: okay, another question about unit tests: I wrote a unit test in order to prove some changes (6 lines) to C4::Matcher correct. My inclination is to break it into two patches, unit test first. Is that over-thinking it?
18:02 gmcharlt      yeah, there's been various approaches for mocking bits of C4::Context -- would be worth it document and consolidate
18:01 jcamins       It irks me to make it db-dependent since it doesn't actually require a database, just C4::Context, but discretion being the better part of valor, db-dependent is where it's going.
18:00 jcamins       Thanks.
18:00 gmcharlt      jcamins: yes
18:00 jcamins       I was adding it as a different file: t/db_dependent/Matcher_auth.t. Does that make sense?
17:59 jcamins       There is already a t/Matcher.t.
17:59 jcamins       I'm adding a db-dependent test for C4::Matcher.
17:59 jcamins       gmcharlt: I have a question for you about database-dependent versus non-database-dependent unit tests.
17:59 jcamins       Unrelated.
17:58 jcamins       Yes.
17:58 jcamins       So I suppose it's possible you would consider the faceting worse.
17:58 mtompset      okay, perhaps I am misunderstanding something. Are the search re-write and the solr code different but overlapping?
17:56 jcamins       No, because the current Solr code doesn't support anything that uses C4::Search.
17:56 mtompset      So, a solr search setup will have the same facet'ing problem that zebra does, because the facets are "hacked up" in C4::Search?
17:55 jcamins       If and when it is addressed, it will be by using a real faceter and not some hacked up thing in C4::Search.
17:54 jcamins       mtompset: it's not being addressed at all at this time.
17:54 mtompset      jcamins: I was curious about how the facet problem (mis-counts and showing things that should be hidden) is being addressed in the search re-write. Any information on that?
17:53 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
17:38 * jcamins     distributes apples and honey.
17:38 jcamins       It's Rosh Hashana today.
17:38 jcamins       Oh, yeah.
17:35 tcohen        bye #koha, and shana tova
17:34 tcohen        btw, Data::Printer is awesome
17:32 jcamins       C4::Matcher would appear to have an over-liberal match policy for bib records.
17:31 jcamins       Hey, you know what I just noticed?
17:26 tcohen        List::MoreUtils, I remember loving 'any'
17:24 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10588: improve selection of default branch for OPAC popular items pag <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=600e953dff44c29fe7a2996fbacbd8e57cd7eb35>
17:16 gmcharlt      tcohen: 'any' for List::MoreUtils
17:15 tcohen        np
17:12 jcamins       I don't remember.
17:09 tcohen        what was the way of testing something is an array?
17:08 tcohen        great jcamins
17:07 jcamins       tcohen: looks like mocking Object->new works.
17:02 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10786: fix Javascript error on the parcel page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1f8d8811b1d2d96f1b087edf42f395c89c8df0f>
16:54 tcohen        You could use Test::MockObject instead
16:54 jcamins       If that doesn't work I'll go digging.
16:53 jcamins       I'm going to try mocking Object->new.
16:53 jcamins       tcohen: sorry, I meant, literally, I want to mock "new Object()"
16:53 tcohen        for use in get_template_and_user
16:53 tcohen        i'm doing $auth->mock('checkauth', \&MockedCheckauth);
16:52 tcohen        you mock the routine
16:52 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5904: make patron search autocompletion respect IndependentBranches <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b72f249082fc6be8811c3dacec15648f7c5ccd9>
16:49 jcamins       Object::new, or do I need to do something more subtle?
16:49 jcamins       If I want to mock the routine used by new Object(), what routine do I mock?
16:48 jcamins       Hey, I need a reminder about some basic Perl.
16:48 jcamins       drojf: yay!
16:47 tcohen        gmcharlt++
16:46 pastebot      "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen: search cookie" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198
16:45 drojf         jcamins: i did not expect chickpea flour to be that powerful! got a massive dough now. \o/
16:45 * gmcharlt    checks
16:45 gmcharlt      tcohen: not tasty at all!
16:44 tcohen        gmcharlt: do u have at hand a search history cookie?
15:48 gaetan_B      bye !
15:45 cait          yay!
15:45 * chris_n     hands cait a mint chocolate brownie for being helpful
15:45 cait          :)
15:44 chris_n       and I now know about hold reports
15:44 chris_n       it made me think the problem through differently
15:44 chris_n       accepted, but really you were not too confusing
15:43 * cait        hands chris_n a cookie as apology for being confusing
15:43 chris_n       into which one could plug any sort of front
15:43 chris_n       there should probably be a common self-check backend
15:42 * chris_n     does not think many people use it
15:42 chris_n       web based sco has some issues :)
15:42 cait          i don't work with that
15:42 chris_n       yeah
15:42 cait          i misunderstood then
15:42 cait          ah ok
15:42 chris_n       web based
15:42 cait          chris_n: are you using the web based or a sip2 based self check?
15:41 mtompset      Lunch time. Bye, #koha.
15:41 chris_n       but all bets are off if the item is checked in via sco
15:40 chris_n       ie: if the item is checked in at the circ desk, the librarian fills the hold and the patron receives an email
15:40 chris_n       that part works great
15:40 chris_n       cait: the patron who set the hold receives an email stating the hold is available and at location X
15:37 cait          i might be too confused today :)
15:37 cait          oh - are we talking sip or web based sco?
15:36 cait          we have one library that does self checkin with sip
15:36 cait          the hold will be filled as soon as you check it in again - at least that's all how it is in 3.6
15:36 cait          ?
15:36 cait          and how will it get to the pickup location
15:36 cait          how will the user know where the item is?
15:34 chris_n       so I'm not sure if that is possible currently
15:33 chris_n       however, I think what they are looking for is something like: check-in via sco > automatically fill highest priority hold
15:32 chris_n       I see it
15:30 chris_n       I'll take a look at that report
15:30 chris_n       and I'd rather work on a bug any day :P
15:30 cait          and we have a report that the library uses, so they can print the reserve slips on the circulation desk
15:30 * chris_n     senses that this may be a librarian training issue rather than a bug
15:29 cait          both i think
15:29 cait          holds to pull? holds queue?
15:29 cait          it will show up in your holds to pick report
15:29 chris_n       well, the worst part is that if a patron checks in via sco, no one is notified that the item with a hold on it has been returned, so no one can complete the process
15:29 cait          the thing with the email checkout slips i haven't reported yet, but i have a ticket form one of our libraries - totally unrelated to holds :)
15:29 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface
15:29 cait          bug 3638
15:28 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9138 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, SIP2 failing to mark reserves waiting, and sending blank emails
15:28 cait          for holds maybe ake a look at bug 9138
15:28 chris_n       its about time I did something Koha related anyway
15:28 cait          hm not sure, but we might be talking around each other :)
15:28 chris_n       I'll have a look
15:28 chris_n       so maybe what you suggest is the fix :)
15:28 chris_n       yes, we do not print notices; we have koha send them via email, so they should fill automatically in our case
15:28 * cait        should be quiet
15:27 cait          but i am not sur if that is your problem
15:27 cait          chris_n: i think it's by design, just maybe needs a pref, if the 'not waiting' part is what bothers you
15:26 chris_n       cait: so I'll open a bug for the sco issue
15:26 cait          chris_n: checkin/checkout notices from self check are problematic too - missing the item information it seems
15:25 cait          i think the reason had something to do with slip printing and the hold notices
15:25 tcohen        do we have unit tests fr the reading history stuff?
15:24 cait          that's a feature for our libraries tho :)
15:24 cait          yes
15:24 cait          tehy are not set to waiting
15:23 * chris_n     smells a bug
15:22 chris_n       can anyone confirm that koha fails to properly process a hold on items with a hold which are checked *in* via the self-checkout mode?
15:22 mtompset      http://youtu.be/wVnQxmwUvgI (Muppet Thor wants Library Books)
15:06 drojf         i'll have to find it in another store maybe, this one is organic and idon'tknow. harvested at full moon or something
15:06 jcamins       Three times the price here.
15:05 cait          ouch
15:05 jcamins       drojf: ouch.
15:05 reiveune      bye
15:05 drojf         oh jcamins: i got some chickpea flour today. it's only 10x the price of wheat flour. :/
15:04 cait          just a quick visit at my hotel room, then i am off again
15:04 drojf         druthb: :)
15:04 drojf         hi cait
15:03 druthb        Hi, cait!  :)
15:03 * cait        waves
15:03 druthb        drojf: welcome to the Dark Side.  jcamins makes the cookies.
15:01 drojf         lol
15:00 jcamins       drojf: my laugh was rueful.
15:00 drojf         yes. i made a MARC joke. what have i become…
14:59 mtompset      position 05? Is that a MARC joke?
14:57 jcamins       lol
14:57 drojf         as a leader, you would have to take good care of your position 05
14:51 jcamins       mtompset: maybe, maybe not.
14:50 mtompset      jcamins: Would you be a dictator if could be? I don't see him as a dictatorial type, benevolent or otherwise. I do see a passionate leader who works for the best, something like the president of the US needs to do. ;)
14:48 * druthb      is seeking an appointment as Jestress to the Royal Court.
14:47 druthb        he's *already* a great leader.  He'd make a great benevolent dictator.
14:47 mtompset      -- leader.
14:46 druthb        jcamins would make a great benevolent dictator.
14:46 mtompset      jcamins for prez! ;)
14:46 mtompset      Oh stop it, druthb. :P
14:45 * druthb      pictures jcamins silly-walking, and giggles.
14:45 drojf         heh
14:45 druthb        They missed one important and useful part of the Circus in the US Politics simulation, though—we need Silly Walks.
14:44 drojf         i loved monty python's flying circus for the great range of british accents they used. i miss that in us politics ;)
14:44 jcamins       mtompset: it doesn't, because if the host environment fails, the simulations being run never existed.
14:43 * druthb      reviews the log looking for her last joke.
14:43 druthb        joke?
14:42 mtompset      druthb++ # good joke. :)
14:41 mtompset      there are...
14:41 mtompset      Yes, but if there an infinitely set of nested simulations, at what point does the host environment fail?
14:36 druthb        US Politics is part of a simulation being set up by the future for their entertainment.  A future Monty Python's Flying Circus.
14:35 jcamins       drojf: they're looking for a non-continuous maximum power for cosmic waves, or something like that.
14:34 drojf         i like to think of earth as a part of some old, rotting fruit and our goal is to convert it to dust. we are pretty good at that
14:33 tcohen        :-P
14:33 tcohen        they want to prove the definition of simulation is sound
14:33 drojf         jcamins: what are they doing to find out? trying to contact the person whose smartphone app we are part of?
14:31 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10755 - Add "Keyword as Phrase" to staff client advanced search indexes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1a4ff2bef3c94bafbf55b5995bc92bb46cdfa02> / Bug 10361: (follow-up) add tests for search history functions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=69577a1a77413e0609b9f0f4eca4f4ce969ad9a7> / Bug 10361: Add option to cleanup_database.pl to purge OPAC search hist
14:30 tcohen        i'd like to see them try to prove god is the biggest model for the universe
14:29 huginn`       gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
14:29 gmcharlt      @quote random
14:28 jcamins       tcohen: or a model of what *other people* believe things are.
14:27 tcohen        because a simulation would be a model of what we belive things are
14:27 tcohen        that sounds weird
14:24 jcamins       (really!)
14:23 jcamins       In other news, physicists try to determine whether universe is a simulation.
14:21 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10634 - Use datatables for course details items table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52a6d2189d816d2414490bb171ca3387ac2999ac>
13:35 mtompset      I had just figured that out. Greetings, tcohen.
13:35 tcohen        hi mtompset
13:33 tcohen        git checkout origin/master file
13:32 druthb        :P
13:31 wahanui       Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:31 mtompset      druthb?
13:30 * druthb      stands mute, and a plea of "not guilty" was entered by the Court.
13:30 mtompset      And now you are going to claim it wasn't you, druthb? :P
13:29 * SkittlesBot chucks Skittles at mtompset.
13:29 mtompset      Okay, I have a patch that I like, but I looked at one file, and realized it was a pointless refactor. How do I get the origin/master version of the file back?
13:29 druthb        perhaps.
13:28 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
13:28 mtompset      Greetings, druthb. Your greetings have been rather automated lately. Are you human? :P
13:27 druthb        Hi, mtompset! :)
13:13 tcohen        heh
13:12 druthb        QA-ey.  cait ran a good meeting as always.
13:11 tcohen        how was the qa meeting yesterday?
13:08 wahanui       logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
13:08 tcohen        logs?
13:07 tcohen        morning #koha
12:50 khall         thanks!
12:50 Joubu         khall: yep, I will try to do that shortly. It is on my todo list! :)
12:26 huginn`       khall: The operation succeeded.
12:26 khall         @later tell Joubu can you revist qa on 7720 when you have the time? thanks!
09:58 Oak           :)
09:57 cait          looking forward to get there and meet everyone in person i have talked to over the phone :)
09:56 Oak           ah good.
09:55 cait          Oak: travelling today, giving training tomorrow
09:50 huginn`       Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 34.0°C (2:00 PM PKT on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
09:50 Oak           @wunder islamabad
09:50 Oak           cait! are you well? still home?
09:50 * Oak         waves
08:54 * cait1       waves from the next train
07:19 cait          and bye all - bbl
07:19 cait          hi samueld
07:18 samueld       hi everybody :-)
07:18 cait          annoying
07:18 cait          and still over an hour until switching trains
07:18 cait          hm running out of battery on the laptop
07:17 dcook         ta all
07:17 dcook         I'm sure I'll see Casey's results on your FB, rangi ;)
07:17 dcook         Thanks again, reiveune
07:10 wahanui       hello cait are you here?
07:10 Joubu         hello cait
07:08 cait          :)
07:08 cait          bonjour Joubu
07:05 dcook         Merci both of you :)
07:05 dcook         Joubu: My French, so rusty ;)
07:04 reiveune      dcook: feminin
07:04 Joubu         dcook: une notice, so feminine
07:04 dcook         No, feminine
07:04 dcook         masculine?
07:04 dcook         Notice is a masculine or feminine noun?
07:04 dcook         Mmm, maybe one more question
07:02 reiveune      :)
07:02 dcook         Merci beaucoup, reiveune :)
07:02 dcook         Intriguing
07:02 reiveune      dcook: controlfields : champs de contrôle ; datafields : champs ; subfields : sous-champs
07:02 rangi         so there is a possibility .. if its his day, and the weather is good
07:02 dcook         He can sure swim
07:01 dcook         Ufda
07:01 rangi         he did cook strait which is 29km in 4 hours 37
07:01 dcook         reiveune: One more question. What are controlfields, datafields, and subfields called in French?
07:00 dcook         Swimmers are amazing
06:59 dcook         :p
06:59 dcook         If I did .1 of a km, then that means...
06:59 rangi         yep
06:58 rangi         10.31 is the fastest this year
06:58 dcook         33.1km?
06:58 rangi         6.55 hours is the fastest
06:57 dcook         I think I got tired after 6 or so lengths of the 20m pool a few weeks ago :p
06:55 dcook         There are 6 arrows though?
06:53 rangi         will be alongside the swimmer
06:53 rangi         yep thats teh support boat
06:53 wahanui       bidet, gaetan_B
06:53 gaetan_B      hello
06:53 dcook         So are most of those arrows boats?
06:53 rangi         dcook: https://www.facebook.com/CaseyGloverOpenWaterSwimmer/posts/512573118817821
06:52 rangi         yep, yellow arrowhead
06:50 dcook         Is Casey out in front?
06:48 * dcook       is back
06:48 dcook         sorry, was on the phone for a minute
06:46 reiveune      great \o/
06:46 cait          crazy ;)
06:46 rangi         reiveune: there is currently a nzer swimming from england to your country :)
06:43 cait          :)
06:43 rangi         oh, casey is swimming now
06:42 reiveune      thanks rangi
06:42 reiveune      it's better :)
06:41 rangi         but i can try
06:41 rangi         he's in australia tho :)
06:41 reiveune      its to test geolocation with piwik
06:40 reiveune      someone from New Zealand can go in catalogue.iepgrenoble.biblibre.com and make a simple search with "aborigenes" ?
06:37 reiveune      dcook: can you do something for me please ?
06:35 reiveune      dcook: :)
06:35 dcook         I would have never guessed that
06:35 dcook         Merci :)
06:35 reiveune      dcook: notice bibliographique
06:34 dcook         How does one say bibliographic record in French? Is it "record bibliographique"?
06:34 reiveune      hi cait :)
06:34 cait          hi reiveune
06:33 reiveune      dcook: yes you can
06:33 dcook         I know you just got here, but could I ask you a question or two about English->French translations in a library/IT context?
06:33 dcook         salut reiveune!
06:30 wahanui       salut, reiveune
06:30 reiveune      hello
06:26 * dcook       wishes the BibLibre folk were on line..
06:24 dcook         "un harvester"
06:24 dcook         hehe
06:21 dcook         They seem to have a pretty good Marc export of their Dspace..
06:21 dcook         https://papyrus.bib.umontreal.ca/
06:20 dcook         Nothing like wanting to contact librarians/developers in Montreal to make you break out the online French-English dictionary...
06:19 dcook         seafarerii++
06:19 dcook         Catalyst++
06:19 dcook         Cool beans!
06:18 cait          cool
06:18 cait          :)
06:17 rangi         and is going to try for the world record
06:17 rangi         sea farer II is him, a swimmer from wellington who catalyst sponsor, is going to start swimming the english channel, in about 1 hour
06:17 rangi         http://submerge2emerge.co.nz/
06:16 rangi         http://cspf.co.uk/tracking
06:15 dcook         rangi: ?
06:13 rangi         ohh casey is about to start
06:11 dcook         caffeine!
06:09 drojf         i should either start the caffeine thing or go back to bed for an hour, now that i know i still have a notebook
06:06 * dcook       says drinking from his water bottle
06:06 dcook         I like that rule :D
06:06 dcook         To be fair, it was the weekend
06:06 drojf         :P
06:05 drojf         sounds like a good rule
06:05 * dcook       thinks she was having some red wine around 11am that day
06:05 dcook         My wife said that in Australia you're allowed to drink alcohol any time of the day
06:05 dcook         lol
06:05 drojf         i think they had beer for breakfast
06:05 drojf         heh. i met a group of australians at a swedish hostel once. crazy people :D
06:04 dcook         Yeah?
06:04 drojf         everybody is in amsterdam atm. seems like it
06:04 dcook         Australians abroad. Partying like crazy, no doubt.
06:04 dcook         They might actually be in Amsterdam
06:04 * dcook       is probably making that up
06:04 dcook         I think I have some friends in Berlin at the moment
06:04 dcook         Hmm
06:03 huginn`       drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.7°C (8:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
06:02 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
06:00 dcook         hehe
06:00 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM)
06:00 drojf         there is even a great bug 9972 to index it ;) *spam*
05:59 dcook         Yeah, the first indicator denotes whether it's primary, secondary, or unknown/not provided info
05:59 cait          ah seem slike therer are indicators involved
05:58 dcook         But it's an option to group together primary and secondary index terms by just repeating subfields
05:58 drojf         i used it for… i forgot. something special to our library :)
05:58 dcook         Yeah, I think you can do either
05:58 cait          the examples look like that too
05:58 drojf         we have multiple ones too
05:57 cait          i think you can do either
05:57 drojf         so where is the problem?
05:57 drojf         it says repeatable
05:57 cait          we do multiple 653
05:57 cait          hm
05:57 dcook         Or rather 6xx fields
05:57 dcook         Which seems contrary to the other 65x fields..
05:57 cait          yep why? :)
05:57 dcook         Instead of having multiple 653 fields, you can just put all of your subject terms in one as separate "a" subfields
05:56 drojf         why?
05:56 dcook         The MARC 653 field is so weird....http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd653.html
05:55 cait          sounds about right
05:54 eythian       it's cold outside though, and probably windy.
05:54 eythian       not too bad
05:53 cait          how's things?
05:53 eythian       hi
05:53 cait          evening eythian
05:53 eythian       supposed to get worse, too.
05:53 huginn`       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
05:53 eythian       @wunder nzwn
05:50 wahanui       brr is right
05:50 cait          hm brr?
05:50 huginn`       cait: The current temperature in Geseke, Germany is 12.8°C (7:42 AM CEST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
05:50 cait          @wunder lippstadt
05:45 cait          it will be fine :)
05:44 drojf         might not be 100% dry from the last one ;)
05:42 drojf         the keyboard could use another shower, feels weird
05:42 cait          i can imagine
05:41 cait          yay thinkpad++
05:41 drojf         that was not funny at all :/
05:41 drojf         looks like it. i'm using it right now
05:40 cait          drojf:  it recovered?
05:40 drojf         thinkpad++
05:40 * cait        waves
05:40 * dcook       ponders whether to make a better MARC export for Dspace or to continue working on the DC=>MARC XSLT in Koha...
05:39 dcook         morning drojf :)
05:39 drojf         good morning #koha
05:27 dcook         insane even
05:27 * dcook       thinks jcamins was right before...dcook probably IS insan
05:26 dcook         Mmm
05:26 dcook         O_o
05:23 dcook         Issued would technically be date of publication, I suppose
05:23 dcook         DC has "Created" and "Issued" qualifiers for Date which don't really distinguish between manufacturer, distributer, or publisher..
05:22 dcook         So generally speaking all of your different publishers and dates would go into your 260...or your 264
05:22 dcook         Mmm, the 260 was made repeatable in 2001 to account for publisher changes over time...
05:21 * dcook       re-checks the MARC spec
05:21 dcook         Although I suppose a DC record could still have 2 publishers and 1 date...
05:20 dcook         That helps
05:20 dcook         Dspace 3 can export QDC (qualified dublin core)
05:20 dcook         Sweeeet
04:39 dcook         bleargh
04:39 dcook         Mmm, perhaps not an issue with Dspace so much as OAI_DC
04:37 dcook         But that is an assumption...
04:37 dcook         Hypothetically, we can guess the last one is the issue or publication date because it doesn't thave the seconds attached...
04:36 dcook         What kind of date is each? Who knows?
04:36 dcook         <dc:date>2001</dc:date>
04:36 dcook         <dc:date>2005-06-19T21:07:46Z</dc:date>
04:36 dcook         <dc:date>2005-06-19T21:07:46Z</dc:date>
04:36 * dcook       grumbles
04:36 dcook         Yes, Dspace...publish unqualified dublincore xml...because that's so helpful...
04:23 mtompset      Have a great day, #koha. :)
04:23 mtompset      I thought you were going to improve sleep, like I am now. ;)
04:20 dcook         Hmm. What to improve...DC to MARC it is...
04:10 dcook         Sleep is good
04:10 dcook         Yeah, I sleep in
04:09 eythian       I don't
04:09 cait          the things we do ...
04:06 dcook         :(
04:04 eythian       that's silly
04:04 wizzyrea      ew
04:04 cait          :(
04:03 cait          and i have to leave in a bit more than 30 mins
04:03 wizzyrea      good morning cait
04:03 cait          but i am early
04:03 cait          lol
04:03 dcook         My body must've known that you were coming. I just grabbed my lunch ;)
04:02 cait          :)
04:02 cait          hi dcook
04:01 dcook         hey ya cait
03:57 cait          hi #koha
03:54 dcook         Random quote of the dashboard. Hehe.
03:54 dcook         " Oops. Don't click mandatory on subfields for tags you've never heard of."
03:51 dcook         But in terms of literature...I think he's on the money
03:51 dcook         I've enjoyed the book as entertainment and the fact that it's a quick read has always been its selling point
03:50 jcamins       Gosh, that review certainly is mini.
03:50 dcook         That is a very good question
03:50 jcamins       Why do I bother with VMs that have <1G/RAM?
03:48 dcook         hehe
03:48 jcamins       No, you probably still are.
03:48 jcamins       lol
03:47 * dcook       was going to say"I'm not insane?" but didn't want to get carried away
03:46 jcamins       Must be, because I have never known that to work.
03:46 dcook         So the manual is wrong?
03:46 jcamins       Or, at least, not in 3.x.
03:45 jcamins       dcook: it never happened.
03:42 eythian       http://i.imgur.com/ZlUhNzp.jpg
03:02 dcook         wizzyrea: Yeah, I figured that would be why, but given the time lapse, I figured I'd make sure :p
03:00 * dcook       ponders gmcharlt's review of The Alchemist
02:47 wizzyrea      it was a response to privacyFix using tracking cookies.
02:45 jcamins       No.
02:45 mtompset      because of garbage collection? ;)
02:44 * jcamins     curses java.
02:43 * dcook       wonders if this is in response to an earlier comment or just a statement of fact.
02:42 * wizzyrea    almost spit water.
01:52 jcamins       eythian: agreed.
01:52 dcook         :(
01:51 eythian       that seems contradictory of it.
01:48 * jcamins     removes it.
01:46 jcamins       And now it "requires access to your Facebook account in order to sync your data across devices and across apps and uses tracking cookies."
01:46 jcamins       It was purchased by AVG.
01:46 jcamins       For, you know, checking the privacy of websites.
01:46 * jcamins     has been using PrivacyFix.
01:45 jcamins       Seriously?
01:45 wizzyrea      hey there's marmite again now :P
01:44 jcamins       lol
01:44 dcook         We hope
01:44 dcook         We assume he held his sandwich above and slightly behind his head while laughing and the mustard must've fallen then
01:43 * dcook       once knew someone who got mustard on the back of his shirt between his shoulder blades
01:43 jcamins       I'm not sure how it got there.
01:43 * jcamins     wipes brownie batter off his elbow.
00:49 * dcook       is so confused
00:48 * Brooke      imagines a days without True marmite clock someplace...
00:48 Brooke        ChurChur EQNZ anniversary
00:46 * Brooke      is teasing.
00:44 * Brooke      busts out the tazer.
00:44 Brooke        are you questioning mah authoritay?
00:44 * dcook       is a lady?
00:44 Brooke        heheh
00:44 dcook         Who never ever "stunted" on ice patches in the prairies growing up >.>
00:44 Brooke        tell it to the judge, lady ;)
00:43 dcook         I'm a responsible driver!
00:42 dcook         hehe
00:42 * Brooke      thinks dcook is no fun.
00:42 dcook         Lack of fiery death?
00:40 Brooke        pfft, who needs school when one has Maryland just the other side of teh River?
00:40 wizzyrea      >.>
00:40 dcook         hey ya Brooke :)
00:40 Brooke        morning dcook
00:40 dcook         stunt driving school, wizzyrea? Sounds awesome!
00:40 dcook         morning #koha
00:25 Brooke        I have thought that kickstarter or mechanical turk would be excellent means for bug testing for years now.
00:20 drojf         so, prepare yourselves for a kickstarter or something for signing off on your patches unless something better comes up :/
00:16 drojf         but if the notebook is actually broken i will still have a problem
00:16 drojf         well, i can (and probably will) type on a raspi for a few days
00:15 drojf         that is not the problem, but there is no othrr machine
00:14 eythian       I assume that all your thesis is in version control anyway, so you should be able to pick it up on any machine, right?
00:14 drojf         not sure yet. something involving liquid and no reaction at all. it does not look really bad on the inside but i did not take it apart completely
00:12 Brooke        how destroyed is destroyed
00:12 Brooke        ooof!
00:12 drojf         i bet handing in a pen and paper thesis will work just fine ;)
00:10 Brooke        editing teh wikipedia
00:10 drojf         i have apparently destroyed my notebook
00:09 wizzyrea      whaddup brooke
00:09 Brooke        hey there
00:09 drojf         hi brooke
00:08 Brooke        hmm?
00:08 drojf         looks likemimdo notmhave a notebook anymore
00:07 drojf         well, that was fun
00:02 Brooke        gday bob