| Time |
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Message |
| 00:00 |
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rangi |
put them there |
| 00:00 |
|
rangi |
with a txt file that tells people to get them from there |
| 00:02 |
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| 00:02 |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_ed4en6, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 00:03 |
|
mtj |
ok, ill just pass then :) |
| 00:04 |
|
mib_ed4en6 |
hi all. I'm having trouble getting my overdue notices to include the fine for each item, or even just an overall fine for the patron. I'm running 3.10.4 and will update today/tomorrow. Is it infact possible to have the fine amount included in the overdue notices? |
| 00:04 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 00:05 |
|
rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 |
| 00:05 |
|
huginn` |
Bug 8378: major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore |
| 00:05 |
|
rangi |
fix is in 3.10.5 |
| 00:05 |
|
rangi |
<<items.fine>> is what you need |
| 00:05 |
|
rangi |
when you have upgraded |
| 00:05 |
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mib_ed4en6 |
i've used <item>......<fine>USD</fine> </tem> |
| 00:06 |
|
rangi |
yes, that won't work |
| 00:06 |
|
rangi |
you can read that full bug report if you like :) |
| 00:06 |
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mib_ed4en6 |
Great.. so i can just stick <<items.fine>> between the <item></item> ? |
| 00:06 |
|
rangi |
no |
| 00:06 |
|
rangi |
not until you upgrade |
| 00:07 |
|
rangi |
and the upgrade will fix your fine notices |
| 00:07 |
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mib_ed4en6 |
I'll definitley read the bug, I meant after the upgrade, sorry. |
| 00:07 |
|
rangi |
ahh you shouldnt need to |
| 00:07 |
|
rangi |
the upgrade should fix that <fine> syntax for you |
| 00:08 |
|
rangi |
but yes if not what you said will work |
| 00:08 |
|
mib_ed4en6 |
Thank you very much :) |
| 00:47 |
|
rangi |
mtj: dont we already have a perltidyrc ? |
| 00:48 |
|
rangi |
guess not |
| 00:48 |
|
mtj |
heh, we do :) |
| 00:49 |
|
mtj |
but… its old, outdated and incorrect |
| 00:49 |
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rangi |
ahh we should update the bug then |
| 00:50 |
|
rangi |
done |
| 00:50 |
|
rangi |
it's now update perltidyrc file |
| 00:50 |
|
rangi |
so i dont get confused again :) |
| 00:51 |
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mtj |
fyi: i didnt realise any of that until now (or had forgotten?) |
| 00:53 |
|
mtj |
lol - if i had worded the bug title better, it would have been pushed without question |
| 00:54 |
|
rangi |
*nod* |
| 01:04 |
|
eythian |
didn't we decide on a perltidy that was only very slightly different from the standard perltidy defaults with PBP defaults? |
| 01:04 |
|
eythian |
there was a bit of a discussion about it a while back |
| 01:04 |
|
mtj |
chris, i think your 9949 patch blew up the qa-tool.pl :D |
| 01:05 |
|
eythian |
actually, turns out I've been using exactly the defaults provided by perltidy. |
| 01:05 |
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mtj |
eythian, we decided on the default (wall) style, i think |
| 01:06 |
|
eythian |
what's 'wall'? It's not defined in the man page. |
| 01:06 |
|
eythian |
you mean perlstyle? |
| 01:06 |
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mtj |
yeah |
| 01:07 |
|
eythian |
OK, that's exactly the default, so a perltidyrc isn't necessary. |
| 01:07 |
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mtj |
yep, pretty much :) |
| 01:08 |
|
eythian |
so I guess you can just provide a file that says '# This file intentionally left blank' |
| 01:09 |
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mtj |
yep, or delete the file, or add a longhand version |
| 01:10 |
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mtj |
i thought a 'longhand' version would be informative, for the curious :) |
| 01:12 |
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mtj |
but, yeah, its a bit of a silly patch really - a very verbose no-op :) |
| 01:52 |
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| 01:54 |
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* jcamins |
has successfully implemented something using IndexedDB. It's a miracle! |
| 01:55 |
|
jurgens |
Hi, I was on here earlier today, and thanks for the help with including fines in overdue notices. As a side question, I usually include a count to say that you have x amount of late items and then give a more detailed list of the items.. is it possible to include a you have a total of x fines as well? |
| 01:55 |
|
jurgens |
I'm happy with a fine per item list/summary.. just wondering if you could total the fine in the notice too? |
| 01:55 |
|
jcamins |
jurgens: I think there may be a patch adding that which has not yet been tested for inclusion in Koha yet. |
| 01:56 |
|
jcamins |
I'm not sure, though. |
| 01:56 |
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jurgens |
Ok, thanks. Its more just a convenience thing I think than essential, but thanks for letting me know. |
| 02:06 |
|
mtj |
hmm, i dont think a total for fines or number-of-items exists yet |
| 02:06 |
|
mtj |
would be handy |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: as I said, I think there may be a new patch for that, but I don't know what its status is. |
| 02:12 |
|
mtj |
ok, i didnt think even a patch existed |
| 02:17 |
|
mtj |
woah, giant squid -> http://www.stuff.co.nz/science[…]ashes-up-on-coast |
| 02:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
whoa |
| 02:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
only 1m tho, smaller than the one at Te Papa |
| 02:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
still that's a lot of calamari :P |
| 02:31 |
|
mtj |
the 2nd pic is impressive |
| 02:33 |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* |
| 02:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
does it seem there are more of these washing up? |
| 02:33 |
|
wizzyrea |
i thought there was another one a month or so ago too |
| 02:35 |
|
wizzyrea |
keke http://www.ted.com/talks/edith[…]_giant_squid.html |
| 02:42 |
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| 02:49 |
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mtj |
cool, will watch that one |
| 02:55 |
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wizzyrea |
it's really cool, totally worth the 8 minutes |
| 03:35 |
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| 04:13 |
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| 04:42 |
|
eythian |
hi cait |
| 04:43 |
|
cait |
hi eythian :) |
| 05:18 |
|
wizzyrea |
dcook about? |
| 05:18 |
|
dcook |
Ish |
| 05:19 |
|
dcook |
What's up, wizzyrea? |
| 05:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
were you looking at the strange displacement of book covers caused by the local cover images? |
| 05:19 |
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* dcook |
ponders |
| 05:19 |
|
dcook |
Not caused by local covers, me thinks |
| 05:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
but you were looking at strange displacements caused by book covers or lack thereof? |
| 05:20 |
|
dcook |
I was looking at the displacement/deletion of local cover images by Amazon images |
| 05:20 |
|
dcook |
Yep |
| 05:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
what was the bug number for that? |
| 05:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
if you remember |
| 05:20 |
|
* wizzyrea |
is looking at something similar, would rather not duplicate work if possible |
| 05:20 |
|
dcook |
Should be bug 9737, I think |
| 05:21 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists |
| 05:21 |
|
* cait |
waves |
| 05:21 |
|
* dcook |
waves to cait :) |
| 05:21 |
|
dcook |
bug 8264 |
| 05:21 |
|
dcook |
also in relation to IE |
| 05:21 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Passed QA , local cover images not working in IE8 |
| 05:22 |
|
dcook |
@later tell jcamins Yeah, it's fine if you give Edmund credit for 8264 |
| 05:22 |
|
huginn` |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:22 |
|
cait |
eythian: could you take a look at 10084 too maybe? |
| 05:23 |
|
dcook |
I also opened 9991 |
| 05:23 |
|
dcook |
a while ago in regards to de-duplicating the "no cover image" graphics, but I haven't done any work on it yet |
| 05:23 |
|
cait |
dcook: before you start on the plugins - we got a patch that will change the data structure there |
| 05:23 |
|
cait |
to fix translatability |
| 05:24 |
|
eythian |
cait: I can try to |
| 05:24 |
|
eythian |
just reading the patch it looks good to me |
| 05:24 |
|
cait |
that would be aswesome |
| 05:24 |
|
cait |
feel free to use your superpower on it |
| 05:24 |
|
eythian |
but I might put it off for a while, I'm super busy right now |
| 05:24 |
|
dcook |
cait: the plugins? |
| 05:24 |
|
wahanui |
the plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they? |
| 05:24 |
|
cait |
(passing it that is) |
| 05:24 |
|
cait |
dcook: 008 etc. - your recent bug report :) |
| 05:24 |
|
dcook |
Ahh |
| 05:25 |
|
dcook |
I think I might be a bit out of my depth on that one anyway :p |
| 05:25 |
|
dcook |
I was mostly putting it out there in the hopes that someone more familiar with that part of Koha might have some ideas |
| 05:25 |
|
dcook |
But yes, noted ^_^ |
| 05:25 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea: What's the issue that you're encountering? |
| 05:25 |
|
cait |
dcook: did you see jared's question on the ie bug .... i think it was in chat |
| 05:26 |
|
dcook |
Yep. He had huginn remind me |
| 05:26 |
|
cait |
ok |
| 05:26 |
|
wizzyrea |
something different than that - it looks like if you add, then delete a local cover image it still thinks one exists -- but I'm not 100% certain that's true |
| 05:26 |
|
wizzyrea |
yet* |
| 05:26 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, that sounds familiar |
| 05:27 |
|
dcook |
I seem to remember someone mentioning having troubles trying to delete or replace local cover images |
| 05:27 |
|
wizzyrea |
:) yea I think I thought it was you |
| 05:27 |
|
dcook |
Hmm. Don't see anything in our local bug db though... |
| 05:38 |
|
* eythian |
does some benchmarking under different conditions and finds that running with memcache roughly doubles the time for a request. |
| 05:38 |
|
eythian |
I wonder why. |
| 05:39 |
|
eythian |
I wonder if it forces the mod_perl to get restarted every time, but that doesn't make sense either... |
| 05:55 |
|
* magnuse |
waves |
| 05:55 |
|
cjh |
eythian: wow, that is unexpected. |
| 05:55 |
|
cjh |
hey magnuse :) |
| 05:56 |
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magnuse |
hiya cjh |
| 05:56 |
|
cait |
hi magnuse and cjh |
| 05:56 |
|
cjh |
good evening cait :) |
| 05:57 |
|
cait |
bugs in qa queue down to 16! yay! |
| 05:57 |
|
cait |
wonder for how long... it always jumps back to 20 when I turn my back on it |
| 05:57 |
|
cjh |
heh |
| 06:00 |
|
cait |
hmm |
| 06:00 |
|
cait |
sometimes when we click on the 'open in opac link' I get a perl error in the opac |
| 06:00 |
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wizzyrea |
cjh++ for writing all the things down |
| 06:00 |
|
cait |
reloading the pag then brings up the record |
| 06:01 |
|
cait |
and now of course i can't reproduce it |
| 06:01 |
|
cait |
*sigh* |
| 06:01 |
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cait |
has anyone else seen this? |
| 06:01 |
|
dcook |
I thought I saw that today, cait |
| 06:01 |
|
dcook |
But yeah, when I tried a second time, it was fine |
| 06:01 |
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cait |
i have seen it on our install at work, and at least once on my dev install |
| 06:01 |
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dcook |
I figured that I just clicked on a different link or that I was imagining things |
| 06:02 |
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cait |
hm I don't think you have |
| 06:02 |
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cait |
but a bit sparse for filing a bug report |
| 06:04 |
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eythian |
cait: the logs will tell you |
| 06:04 |
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cjh |
wizzyrea: oh what did I write down that was helpful this time? |
| 06:04 |
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cait |
yeah, but will need uli for that, can't reproduce it hee |
| 06:04 |
|
cait |
here |
| 06:04 |
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wizzyrea |
the same thing you wrote down before I left last week :) |
| 06:05 |
|
wizzyrea |
packagey things |
| 06:05 |
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cjh |
glad it was helpful :) |
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| 06:26 |
|
* dcook |
wonders what the "Accounts" module is... |
| 06:26 |
|
dcook |
In the Guided Report Wizard |
| 06:27 |
|
eythian |
fines and stuff I would guess. |
| 06:28 |
|
dcook |
Me too, but I wonder how Koha thinks about it |
| 06:28 |
|
dcook |
I always write my own reports. I wonder what the user experience for the guided wizard is like... |
| 06:29 |
|
eythian |
a bit weird and complicated, in my limited experience. |
| 06:30 |
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| 06:31 |
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dcook |
Mhm |
| 06:34 |
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cait |
serials code is a bit messy |
| 06:35 |
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magnuse |
shocking! ;-) |
| 06:36 |
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| 06:36 |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
| 06:38 |
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wizzyrea |
guided reports? it's scary. it's good for getting you kind of close to a report you might wnt to use. They almost always require tweaking |
| 06:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
though |
| 06:39 |
|
dcook |
Seems like it. I suppose it depends on what you want to report. |
| 06:40 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: no I just meant serials :) |
| 06:41 |
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cait |
but guided reports is messy too |
| 06:41 |
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cait |
argh |
| 06:41 |
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wizzyrea |
oh hi cait :) |
| 06:41 |
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wahanui |
hi cait :) are you around ? |
| 06:41 |
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cait |
should be reading back :) |
| 06:41 |
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wizzyrea |
hehehe all ok |
| 06:41 |
|
cait |
sorry |
| 06:42 |
|
cait |
working through a list of notes from my coworker and answering the question which issues show on the issues tab in serials subscription details turned out to be quite hard to explain |
| 06:42 |
|
cait |
bug 10142 |
| 06:42 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10142 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Unclear which issues show on subscription details issues tab |
| 06:43 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 06:43 |
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dcook |
I think I might've written a patch for that.. |
| 06:44 |
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dcook |
I think they're being displayed based on...a date perhaps...rather than their enumeration |
| 06:44 |
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| 06:44 |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
| 06:45 |
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dcook |
morning drojf |
| 06:45 |
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| 06:45 |
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drojf |
hi dcook |
| 06:45 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:45 |
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cait |
dcook: sorting is off too - but the question was which issues display at all... and that's complicated too |
| 06:46 |
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cait |
not sure I agree with things like this being so complicated |
| 06:46 |
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cait |
morning drojf :) |
| 06:46 |
|
* dcook |
is looking through the bug now |
| 06:46 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I see what you're saying now |
| 06:46 |
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cait |
bit insane, right? |
| 06:46 |
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drojf |
hi cait :) |
| 06:46 |
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wahanui |
hi cait :) are you around ? |
| 06:46 |
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drojf |
hehe |
| 06:46 |
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cait |
nope wahanui, leaving for work :) |
| 06:46 |
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cait |
bye all :) |
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| 06:48 |
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wizzyrea |
OMG I hve been working on that too the fracking serials sorting |
| 06:48 |
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wizzyrea |
please someone let me know if you sort it |
| 06:49 |
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* eythian |
clicks on a column header and calls it sorted. |
| 06:49 |
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wizzyrea |
is not so easy smartie |
| 06:51 |
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magnuse |
lol |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: I swear that I looked at this before |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
But I can't see any notes now.. |
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| 06:56 |
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dcook |
So are we talking the "Subscriptions" tab on the detail pages? |
| 06:57 |
|
dcook |
or opac-serial-issues.pl? |
| 06:58 |
|
dcook |
Side note: I bought a new book on Friday and took it to a friend's engagement party...forgot it at the bar |
| 06:58 |
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jajm |
hello |
| 06:58 |
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dcook |
Bought another copy on Saturday...took it to a friend's birthday party...forgot it in my friend's bag (who kept it so I wouldn't forget it at the bar) |
| 06:58 |
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dcook |
Today I have no book... |
| 06:58 |
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dcook |
hi jajm :) |
| 06:59 |
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rangi |
is it client side sorting? |
| 06:59 |
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dcook |
cait: What is the "serials subscription detail page"? |
| 06:59 |
|
dcook |
Wait... |
| 06:59 |
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* dcook |
realizes that cait is gone |
| 07:00 |
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dcook |
rangi: I think the only place there is client side sorting is... |
| 07:00 |
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dcook |
opac-serial-issues.pl?selectview=full |
| 07:00 |
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rangi |
k |
| 07:01 |
|
rangi |
mostly the problem is ppl can put whatever the hell they want in the enumeration |
| 07:01 |
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dcook |
I'm pretty sure it doesn't do any sorting |
| 07:01 |
|
dcook |
Well.. |
| 07:01 |
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rangi |
and sorting that in any kind of useful well is impossible |
| 07:01 |
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dcook |
Sorts by serialid probably |
| 07:01 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, perhaps |
| 07:01 |
|
rangi |
leading spaces, punctuation |
| 07:01 |
|
rangi |
etc |
| 07:01 |
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dcook |
Ahhh |
| 07:01 |
|
dcook |
yeah |
| 07:01 |
|
dcook |
For sure |
| 07:01 |
|
dcook |
What I meant before is.. |
| 07:01 |
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rangi |
so we try and do something tricky and make it worse :) |
| 07:01 |
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dcook |
You should have the most recent enumeration |
| 07:02 |
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dcook |
So rather than Vol 1, 2, 3 |
| 07:02 |
|
dcook |
You should have Vol 6, 5, 4 |
| 07:02 |
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| 07:02 |
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dcook |
And while we can't control the enumeration |
| 07:02 |
|
eythian |
really, we should just turn off sorting on that column. It's not a meaningful thing to do, but by having the option, people think it must be. |
| 07:02 |
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dcook |
We can control other factors |
| 07:02 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 07:02 |
|
dcook |
O_o |
| 07:02 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 07:02 |
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* dcook |
is looking at 3.8 |
| 07:02 |
|
dcook |
I assume more sorting was added? |
| 07:02 |
|
dcook |
client-side? |
| 07:03 |
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rangi |
i think so |
| 07:03 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 07:03 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 07:03 |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
| 07:03 |
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dcook |
Well, I think the server side sort is still off |
| 07:04 |
|
dcook |
salut alex_a |
| 07:04 |
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rangi |
its always going to be |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
Not if you sort by planned date desc |
| 07:05 |
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rangi |
but you could have a syspref to make it recent first, or recent last |
| 07:05 |
|
dcook |
Planned date being the receival date |
| 07:05 |
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rangi |
yeah but sometimes ppl receive 3 |
| 07:05 |
|
rangi |
then 2 |
| 07:05 |
|
rangi |
cos 2 got lost |
| 07:05 |
|
rangi |
in the mail |
| 07:05 |
|
rangi |
or never sent |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
I suppose recent does become somewhat relative then |
| 07:05 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
Do we mean recent receival or recent publishing |
| 07:05 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 07:06 |
|
rangi |
it gets mental fast |
| 07:06 |
|
dcook |
Touché ;) |
| 07:06 |
|
rangi |
maybe chose order by receiveddate dest |
| 07:06 |
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dcook |
I suppose you could use the.. |
| 07:06 |
|
rangi |
c |
| 07:06 |
|
rangi |
or planneddate desc |
| 07:06 |
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dcook |
Mhm |
| 07:06 |
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dcook |
It looks like I did write a patch as I have descending on my 3.8 |
| 07:07 |
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* dcook |
wishes he had more time |
| 07:07 |
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wizzyrea |
and then there's the whole "enumerations are human enterable" thing >.< |
| 07:08 |
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wizzyrea |
it makes me want to run screaming in circles until I run into a wall and fall down |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
That describes my day |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
Actually, my day was more...why doesn't Koha act like this other system? |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
This other system does this |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
Although...it was fun pointing out how the other system actually didn't really achieve its set out goal |
| 07:10 |
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rangi |
thats the least persuasive argument ever, koha should do this cos some other system does it |
| 07:11 |
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* rangi |
goes to make a wallpaper |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
D'accord |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
You don't even want to hear about some of the other madness |
| 07:12 |
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dcook |
@later tell jcamins Happy belated birthday, btw |
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huginn` |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:14 |
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wizzyrea |
hehe we thrive on madness :) |
| 07:14 |
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wizzyrea |
@uote get 123 |
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huginn` |
wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 07:14 |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 123 |
| 07:14 |
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wahanui |
http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 07:14 |
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huginn` |
wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 07:15 |
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rangi |
speaking of mad |
| 07:15 |
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rangi |
i read this today |
| 07:15 |
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rangi |
http://boingboing.net/2012/05/[…]to-own-their.html |
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huginn` |
GERMS!!!! |
| 07:16 |
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wahanui |
Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 07:16 |
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rangi |
and it made me angry |
| 07:16 |
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rangi |
hey kf |
| 07:16 |
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* dcook |
is one paragraph in and now confused.. |
| 07:16 |
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dcook |
hola kf |
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magnuse |
rangi: "industry-standard DRM"? |
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rangi |
exactly |
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rangi |
i thought yay libraries doing it right |
| 07:17 |
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rangi |
then read it |
| 07:17 |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 07:17 |
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rangi |
and went boo, thats crap |
| 07:17 |
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magnuse |
yeah |
| 07:17 |
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rangi |
hiya gaetan_B |
| 07:18 |
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dcook |
"the application of industry-standard DRM on the library’s files; multiple purchases based on demand; and a “click to buy†feature" is the part that stands out to me |
| 07:18 |
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dcook |
rangi: When I first read the link URL, I figured it would be something you love |
| 07:18 |
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magnuse |
i'm working on a project that tries to get it right - based on unencrypted ePub: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/Ebooksforlib |
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rangi |
yeah, how is it any different |
| 07:18 |
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dcook |
mhm |
| 07:18 |
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rangi |
than overdrive |
| 07:18 |
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rangi |
answer is .. its not |
| 07:19 |
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rangi |
magnuse: yay!! |
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dcook |
magnuse: Oslo public library. Nice! |
| 07:19 |
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rangi |
and combine that with opds |
| 07:19 |
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rangi |
as a nice distribution mechanism |
| 07:20 |
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magnuse |
how is that article describing a "revolutionary distribution model"? |
| 07:20 |
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rangi |
https://gitorious.org/koha/mai[…]395cb38a3992b214d |
| 07:20 |
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rangi |
magnuse: it's not |
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magnuse |
dcook: Oslo public library are doing a lot of cool things |
| 07:20 |
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rangi |
you are welcome to use that template if it is any use for you |
| 07:21 |
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magnuse |
rangi: cool! i just might do that |
| 07:21 |
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wizzyrea |
yea it's supposed to be great but just ends up being bleh. |
| 07:21 |
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wizzyrea |
more of the same. |
| 07:21 |
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magnuse |
dcook: not the least of which is https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf |
| 07:22 |
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dcook |
Once upon a time, I worked for a library that talked about hosting its own ebooks, but...I don't think anything came of it |
| 07:22 |
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rangi |
yeah that is sweet magnuse |
| 07:22 |
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wizzyrea |
ecause they can't get publishers to go along with it >.< |
| 07:22 |
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wizzyrea |
frackin content owners |
| 07:23 |
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magnuse |
another cool project from OPL, based on marc2rdf: http://digital.deichman.no/blo[…]6/active-shelves/ |
| 07:23 |
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magnuse |
they even had the physical "stations" made by a local carpenter |
| 07:24 |
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rangi |
nice |
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dcook |
Looks neat, magnuse |
| 07:25 |
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magnuse |
and they are doing the development in house, so they have complete control of the project |
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magnuse |
i think it has been a very empowering experience for them |
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dcook |
:D |
| 07:26 |
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magnuse |
and they are doing *actual user testing* - something norwegian vendors never, ever do |
| 07:28 |
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dcook |
Sounds like Oslo is a pretty good place to be for libraries right now |
| 07:28 |
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* dcook |
wishes that Canada was doing more interesting things in libraries... |
| 07:28 |
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dcook |
Our national library is falling apart though |
| 07:28 |
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dcook |
The public libraries provide pretty good traditional services, but nothing too innovative that I've noticed |
| 07:29 |
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* dcook |
really needs to check out ALIA and see what's going on in Australia |
| 07:29 |
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magnuse |
one vendor launched a new opac some years ago, and i was invited to be one of the first to test. when we asked if they were going to test it on real users they said "sure, when it is a bit more finished"... |
| 07:30 |
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dcook |
I suppose you want to give a user a product with enough functions that they won't complain about things you're planning to offer |
| 07:30 |
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dcook |
But at the same time if you've developed too much, you back yourself into a corner and don't necessarily want to re-write your short-comings... |
| 07:30 |
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magnuse |
i think that second point is the central one, yes... |
| 07:31 |
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dcook |
Actually, even if you do want to re-write your shortcomings, deadlines don't always allow it... |
| 07:31 |
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dcook |
Hmm, in any case, I had best head off! |
| 07:31 |
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* dcook |
tried to install Debian on a box this weekend |
| 07:32 |
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dcook |
Bad RAM/motherboard...ended up freezing quite routinely |
| 07:32 |
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rangi |
yuck |
| 07:32 |
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dcook |
Got it installed at one point, but I couldn't download any packages of any kind |
| 07:33 |
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dcook |
I assume it was an issue with the install.. |
| 07:33 |
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dcook |
When I installed Debian on a VM on my laptop, worked like a dream |
| 07:33 |
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dcook |
Mind you, my internet connection was magnitudes quicker than this one... |
| 07:34 |
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dcook |
So I was able to use a mirror (since I only downloaded the 1st disk) |
| 07:35 |
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dcook |
Oh well. I'll buy a new box (the last ones were spares) and see if using functional equipment helps |
| 07:35 |
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dcook |
night all |
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wahanui |
goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
| 07:56 |
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wizzyrea |
dcook, I had issues like that when I stupidly tried to use i386 arch on an amd64 machine >.< |
| 07:56 |
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wizzyrea |
oh he's gone. |
| 07:56 |
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wizzyrea |
bother. |
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wizzyrea |
yay for embarrassing admissions! |
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* wizzyrea |
facepalms |
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rangi |
that works much better than the other way round |
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rangi |
with the exception of not being able to see all your ram that is |
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magnuse |
pft, ram - who needs it |
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rangi |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
i recall it didn't work well... but actually now that I'm thinking about it maybe it was the other way around, and I was doing amd64 on an i386... either way it was painful until I ejected the CD and noticed I'd put in the wrong one. (no, it wasn't one of my finer moments) |
| 08:40 |
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rangi |
yeah that totally wouldnt work the other way around |
| 08:40 |
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rangi |
but you can go down to 32 bit from 64 .. the other way is an issue :) |
| 08:41 |
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wizzyrea |
where in the db are the local cover images stored </lazyweb> |
| 08:42 |
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wizzyrea |
if anybody knows off of the top of their head |
| 08:42 |
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rangi |
not me |
| 08:42 |
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wizzyrea |
never mind! really obviously in ... biblioimages |
| 08:43 |
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wizzyrea |
derp |
| 08:46 |
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rangi |
interesting, but not really suprising |
| 08:46 |
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rangi |
updatedatebase is our most updated file |
| 08:46 |
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rangi |
870 commits, 714 active days |
| 08:46 |
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* wizzyrea |
is not surprised by that either |
| 08:46 |
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wizzyrea |
we do lots of fiddling about in there. |
| 08:47 |
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rangi |
most edited module |
| 08:47 |
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rangi |
is my most hated |
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wizzyrea |
search? |
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wahanui |
search is for the patrons not the librarians |
| 08:47 |
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rangi |
C4/Search.pm................................. 445 353 |
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wizzyrea |
kek |
| 08:47 |
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wizzyrea |
least edited? |
| 08:48 |
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wizzyrea |
probably the newest. |
| 08:48 |
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rangi |
theres a lot with 1 or 2 |
| 08:48 |
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rangi |
interesting |
| 08:48 |
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wahanui |
i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 08:50 |
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rangi |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/liz.txt |
| 08:51 |
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wizzyrea |
ha |
| 08:53 |
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wizzyrea |
small compared to some people, but listed out like that, lots of good memories ^.^ |
| 08:53 |
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rangi |
yup :) |
| 08:54 |
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wizzyrea |
i had to revisit 6574 just today |
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kf |
wizzyrea: nice list :) |
| 08:56 |
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kf |
can I haz one too? :) |
| 08:56 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm sure there's one for you too :) |
| 08:57 |
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rangi |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/katrin.txt |
| 08:58 |
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kf |
yay! |
| 08:58 |
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kf |
rangi++ |
| 08:58 |
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rangi |
anyone else want one? |
| 08:59 |
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kf |
310 :) |
| 08:59 |
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kf |
yay :) |
| 09:03 |
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drojf |
rangi: do mine please :) |
| 09:04 |
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drojf |
that should be small :D |
| 09:05 |
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rangi |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/mirko.txt |
| 09:07 |
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drojf |
thanks! even smaller than i thought ^^ |
| 09:08 |
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wizzyrea |
rangi++ those are fun |
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kf |
drojf: but lots of code in each, much more than in most of mine |
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kf |
I think the html5 one was quite big |
| 09:12 |
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drojf |
i think it was the coolest too :) and the one where i learned the most |
| 09:12 |
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magnuse |
rangi: yes please :-) |
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|
* magnuse |
is trying to catch up with wizzyrea in number of patches... |
| 09:14 |
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rangi |
2 secs |
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kf |
drojf++ |
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magnuse |
hm, if jcamins pushes my two passed qa normarc patches before wizzyrea has anything more pushed we will be even :-) |
| 09:16 |
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kf |
funnily I think my first patch was probably my most complicated |
| 09:17 |
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kf |
bug 3464 |
| 09:17 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3464 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, borrowers table should contain country information for libraries with international patron populations |
| 09:18 |
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kf |
but I coudl follow |Lupin|'s steps |
| 09:18 |
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rangi |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/magnus.txt |
| 09:18 |
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magnuse |
rangi++ |
| 09:20 |
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magnuse |
bug 3751 was my first - it removed one char :-) |
| 09:20 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3751 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, magnus, CLOSED FIXED, Typo in marc21_field_008.pl |
| 09:21 |
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magnuse |
it felt like a huge thing though - my first ever contribution to a free software project! |
| 09:21 |
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* magnuse |
wanders off to find lunch |
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kf |
:) |
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drojf |
:) |
| 09:38 |
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rangi |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/statistics.html |
| 09:38 |
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rangi |
the second table is interesting |
| 09:38 |
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* kf |
wanders off to find lunch too - meeting later |
| 09:38 |
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rangi |
Below are the number of rows from each author that have survived and are still intact in the current revision. |
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* kf |
checks |
| 09:39 |
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rangi |
its counting the .sql files too |
| 09:40 |
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rangi |
hence the big numbers for the ppl who do their language .sql ones |
| 09:40 |
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rangi |
but interesting nonetheless |
| 09:41 |
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rangi |
specially in light of the opensource article and copyright bit |
| 09:41 |
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kf |
heh :) |
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samuel |
hi everybody |
| 09:59 |
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magnuse |
rangi: yay for counting the sql files ;-) |
| 09:59 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 10:00 |
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samuel |
i've a question about git install. I've made one with git. When i make "git status", i'm on "v3.10.04'' branch but after installation,i've v3.11 |
| 10:01 |
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mtj |
rangi++ woah nice!!! |
| 10:04 |
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rangi |
mtj: http://stats.workbuffer.org/st[…]ics-perlonly.html |
| 10:04 |
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rangi |
(only looking at the .pl and .pm files) |
| 10:04 |
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mtj |
... and the second table - ive never seen that stat before |
| 10:05 |
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rangi |
yeah its using git blame to work it out |
| 10:05 |
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rangi |
quite handy |
| 10:06 |
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wizzyrea |
highfive! |
| 10:06 |
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wahanui |
gimmie six! |
| 10:06 |
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mtj |
ive sometimes though of a script to add missing 'copyright' lines to each file in koha... |
| 10:07 |
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rangi |
i think a human would be better a script to find any without a header tho would be good |
| 10:07 |
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rangi |
then a human could git blame it |
| 10:07 |
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rangi |
and decide |
| 10:08 |
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rangi |
https://code.google.com/p/gitinspector/ |
| 10:08 |
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rangi |
have a play |
| 10:08 |
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rangi |
its fun |
| 10:10 |
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mtj |
yeah, that too… a script to add/update missing koha/gpl headers |
| 10:12 |
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mtj |
the added copyright lines on files like updatedatabase.pl could be a bit erm… excessive |
| 10:12 |
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mtj |
(one of the reasons why i never got round to doing it) |
| 10:19 |
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rangi |
oh thats there already |
| 10:19 |
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rangi |
the gpl one |
| 10:19 |
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rangi |
and the fsf address |
| 10:20 |
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rangi |
look in xt/ |
| 10:20 |
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mtj |
ah yep |
| 10:21 |
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mtj |
so, when you say 'without header' - you mean something else? |
| 10:22 |
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mtj |
without any copyright line(s)? |
| 10:23 |
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rangi |
yep, it should check that too |
| 10:23 |
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rangi |
it just needs to be updated to not baulk on gpl3 |
| 10:23 |
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rangi |
find-license-problems |
| 10:24 |
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rangi |
$hasv2 = 1 if ($line =~ /either version 2/); |
| 10:24 |
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rangi |
that line |
| 10:24 |
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rangi |
to do /either version (2|3)/ |
| 10:24 |
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rangi |
oughta do it |
| 10:25 |
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mtj |
… and the all important 'or later' bit, too :) |
| 10:25 |
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rangi |
thats already there |
| 10:25 |
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rangi |
$hasorlater = 1 if ($line =~ /any later version/ || |
| 10:25 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 10:27 |
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mtj |
derp |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
| 10:31 |
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rangi |
hmm i found some with bad FSF addresses |
| 11:01 |
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mtj |
heres a nice side-project idea... |
| 11:01 |
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mtj |
create some custom perlcritic policies for koha, based on the coding guidelines |
| 11:01 |
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mtj |
those -> http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 11:02 |
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mtj |
then perlcritic could whizz thru the codebase, and find errors |
| 11:02 |
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mtj |
and detect new errors being added too |
| 11:05 |
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magnuse |
mtj: yeah, feel free to do that ;-) |
| 11:05 |
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mtj |
… would be very handy for spotting template and js bugs |
| 11:06 |
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mtj |
js syntax bugs that break translation, etc |
| 11:07 |
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mtj |
heres some perlcritic doco, for the curious -> http://search.cpan.org/~thalje[…]tic/DEVELOPER.pod |
| 11:08 |
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mtj |
no idea how tricky it is |
| 11:11 |
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magnuse |
only one way to find out :-) |
| 11:11 |
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mtj |
yeah - i'm keen to try, at least |
| 11:13 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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drojf |
crossposting-- |
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vfernandes |
hi people :) |
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vfernandes |
can anyone help me? I'm having a problem when importing z39.50 records All arguments must be MARC::Field objects at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 150. |
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vfernandes |
Koha 3.10.2 |
| 11:54 |
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vfernandes |
solved: z3950NormalizeAuthor z3950AuthorAuthFields off .D |
| 12:00 |
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mtj |
vfernandes, still sounds like a bug tho :( |
| 12:01 |
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jcamins |
I think it's fixed in 3.10.4. |
| 12:02 |
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jcamins |
Bug 5333. |
| 12:02 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Undefined value stops import from z39.50 |
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mtj |
awesome :) |
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jcamins |
mtj: isn't it a bit late for you? |
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mtj |
..zzzZZZ |
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mtj |
just about to head to bed, now |
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oleonard |
The trouble with these New Zealanders setting birthday topics is you can never be sure what day they're talking about... |
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magnuse |
oleonard: jcamins was 28th, according to teh facebooks |
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magnuse |
jcamins: happy belated birthday! |
| 12:37 |
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oleonard |
Yes, happy belated birthday jcamins |
| 12:38 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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* oleonard |
congratulates jcamins on being old enough to drink now, even if he doesn't want to |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 12:38 |
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* jcamins |
was the first person in all his friends to be allowed to legally drink... three days after my 18th birthday I went on a trip to a country with a drinking age of 18. |
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magnuse |
sounds like it was carefully planned... |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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jcamins |
That was not part of my reasoning, actually. |
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magnuse |
yeah, right ;-) |
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tcohen |
morning magnuse jcamins |
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druthb |
o/ |
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jcamins |
Ohhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! My eyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:41 |
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* jcamins |
is looking at acq. |
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magnuse |
lol |
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* druthb |
blinks. |
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magnuse |
there be monsters |
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magnuse |
hiya tcohen |
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druthb |
glad you clarified, jcamins. thought I'd startled you or something. |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 12:42 |
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jcamins |
Well, that was a kind of pointy hand wave. You could've poked my eye out with that! :P |
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druthb |
:P |
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oleonard |
Nothing like some acquisitions to get your Monday started right eh jcamins? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: something like that. |
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jcamins |
The horror, the horror. |
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magnuse |
patches are welcome ;-) |
| 12:49 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: why do you think I'm looking at it? :P |
| 12:49 |
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jcamins |
Certainly not for my health! |
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magnuse |
well, some people like to jump off cliffs with only a piece of fabric to keep them safe... |
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talljoy |
jcamins i'm happy to interrupt with a question about your favorite subject->authorities. |
| 12:52 |
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jcamins |
Oh, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 12:52 |
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talljoy |
ol |
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jcamins |
talljoy: sure. |
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talljoy |
lol |
| 12:52 |
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jcamins |
Acq is not Plack-safe. |
| 12:52 |
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talljoy |
quick one. is this a 'normal' error when running the linker: http://pastebin.com/RfaVZn0G |
| 12:52 |
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jcamins |
I don't know how I ever tested anything. |
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jcamins |
talljoy: yes. I thought I had patched that, but I've definitely seen it before. |
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talljoy |
i'm reading it that there is just no link. which is what i expected for all these newer bibs. |
| 12:53 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 12:54 |
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jcamins |
So, apparently I never understood what receiving items in acquisitions was supposed to do, because it doesn't work under Plack. |
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* jcamins |
narrowly talks himself out of filing a bug "receiving items causes Plack nosebleeds." |
| 12:59 |
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jcamins |
On the subject of which, I would just like to point out to everyone that y'all elected me to be the one to write the release notes. |
| 13:07 |
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magnuse |
guess we'll just have to live with it... |
| 13:08 |
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jcamins |
Or, if you want release notes that take the features they describe seriously, you could write parts yourself. :P |
| 13:09 |
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magnuse |
lolwhat? |
| 13:09 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: you've seen my bug reports. |
| 13:09 |
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jcamins |
You're going to get 40 pages of release notes written in the same style! Bwahahaha! |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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* magnuse |
starts to look forward to the release notes |
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vfernandes |
another question: OPAC and intranet XSLT, where should I put the files locally in the server? |
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jcamins |
vfernandes: I think in the same directory the default ones are in, but I'm actually not sure. |
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vfernandes |
and then put the name in the sysprefs? |
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jcamins |
That is my understanding. |
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vfernandes |
let me try it |
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magnuse |
"put a path to define a xslt file" - i interpret that as saying that an absolute path should work |
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druthb |
hi, libsysguy! :) |
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libsysguy |
heya Ruthie :) |
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libsysguy |
I made a newb mistake on friday |
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libsysguy |
well two really |
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druthb |
oh? |
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libsysguy |
but one is really costing me time today |
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druthb |
>.< |
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libsysguy |
yeah…i forgot to increment the counter in my script |
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druthb |
whoa! |
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libsysguy |
so I had close to a billion rows in a rel table this morning |
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libsysguy |
*sigh* |
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druthb |
lol |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: at least it wasn't running on a production server. |
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libsysguy |
true that |
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tcohen |
how does it read?: "Instance XX disabled. No action taken." |
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tcohen |
anyone please? |
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wahanui |
i heard anyone was free to organize one at any time :-) |
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jcamins |
tcohen: what? |
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tcohen |
"Instance XX disabled. No action taken." |
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tcohen |
sounds ok? |
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jcamins |
Oh! |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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tcohen |
thx |
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jcamins |
I thought that was a question about what "it" currently said. |
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tcohen |
i have issues with my english heh |
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jcamins |
No, your question was perfectly idiomatic. I just didn't understand it. :) |
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tcohen |
:) |
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huginn` |
GERMS!!!! |
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wahanui |
germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
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jcamins |
more marc? |
| 13:43 |
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jcamins |
let's add more work? |
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jcamins |
let's add more marc? |
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jcamins |
should we have more marc? |
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libsysguy |
this is turning into quite the haiku |
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jcamins |
lol |
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kf |
we shoudl use more marc |
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kf |
we should use more marc |
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wahanui |
http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
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libsysguy |
http://www.ainself.net/irony/macros/donotwant.jpg |
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druthb |
kf++ libsysguy++ |
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libsysguy |
:D |
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jcamins |
@roll 3d6 |
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huginn` |
jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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jcamins |
@help |
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huginn` |
jcamins: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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jcamins |
@plugins |
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huginn` |
jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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jcamins |
@list plugins |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Error: 'plugins' is not a valid plugin. |
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jcamins |
@list |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, Network, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, ReleaseDay, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather |
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oleonard |
@help Factoids |
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huginn` |
oleonard: Error: There is no command "factoids". |
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jcamins |
@dice 3d6 |
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huginn` |
jcamins: 3, 4, and 5 |
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jcamins |
@dice 3d20 |
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huginn` |
jcamins: 3, 11, and 15 |
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kf |
let me roll them... |
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kf |
@dice 3d6 |
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huginn` |
kf: 1, 1, and 5 |
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vfernandes |
XSLTResultsDisplay for Staff client works? |
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kf |
@dice 3d8 |
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huginn` |
kf: 2, 6, and 1 |
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kf |
vfernandes: yes |
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vfernandes |
nice :) |
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druthb |
hm. |
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druthb |
@dice 1d9 |
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huginn` |
druthb: 3 |
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druthb |
Wondered if it'd let you do that. |
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jcamins |
@dice 1d1 |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Error: Dice can't have fewer than 3 sides. |
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jcamins |
Heh. |
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druthb |
:P |
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jcamins |
@dice 1de |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> |
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jcamins |
That was in the form of sides! |
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jcamins |
Okay... |
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jcamins |
@dice 1dpi |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> |
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jcamins |
@dice 1dπ |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> |
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druthb |
@dice 1d3.14 |
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huginn` |
druthb: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> |
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* jcamins |
feels cheated. No irrational dice. |
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druthb |
no? Ever rolled a nine-sided die? That'd be pretty wonky. |
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jcamins |
druthb: not quite as irrational as π. |
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* kf |
rolls eyes at the 2 of you |
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* druthb |
rolls them back to kf. |
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kf |
heh |
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druthb |
can't have eyeballs rollin' around in here. Wouldn't be prudent. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: if a form does not have anything set in the action parameter, that means it submits to the current URL? |
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oleonard |
As far as I know that is what browsers do, I'm not sure that is in a spec somewhere |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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jcamins |
Probably we shouldn't rely on that behavior, even if it is in the spec, because it's hard to understand. |
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oleonard |
"The action and formaction content attributes, if specified, must have a value that is a valid non-empty URL potentially surrounded by spaces." |
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jcamins |
@quote get 123 |
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wahanui |
http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
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huginn` |
jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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tcohen |
should koha-restart-zebra start instances that aren't already running? |
| 14:41 |
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tcohen |
maybe warn the user but start it anyway? |
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jcamins |
Yes, that's what init does. |
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tcohen |
ok. warn but start |
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tcohen |
thanks |
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oleonard |
Why do my language preferences list languages which I don't have installed? |
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tcohen |
because they are in the DB |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I don't know, but mine does that too on occasion. |
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jcamins |
I figured it was Plack, and ignored it. |
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oleonard |
They are languages which I have had installed in the past |
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gmcharlt |
fo quote random |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
gmcharlt: Quote #207: "< eythian> It's OK, we can implement the RDA support in Perl 6." (added by chrisc at 12:00 AM, May 29, 2012) |
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gmcharlt |
*snicker* |
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tcohen |
heh |
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druthb |
@quote random |
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huginn` |
druthb: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009) |
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jcamins |
How much can be stored in a user's session? |
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tcohen |
on IndexDB? |
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jcamins |
tcohen: no, with CGI::Session. |
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tcohen |
jcamins, 'daemon' aborts if it doesn't find a pid upon --restart |
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tcohen |
i'll do a --start in that case to sort it out |
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jcamins |
tcohen: makes sense. |
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* tcohen |
wonders if these koha-* scripts shouldn't be distro agnostic and available to tar.gz users |
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jcamins |
Thoughts on storing the current search in the session, and using that for paging on the staff side? |
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oleonard |
Paging on the detail page like in the OPAC? |
| 14:58 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
Only preferably working. |
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oleonard |
Oh, how is it broken in the OPAC? |
| 14:59 |
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jcamins |
Several ways. It can't be translated, it requires Javascript, it only lets you page a certain distance, and if you have long titles, it breaks. |
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kf |
jcamins: how is it stored in opac? in the cookie itself? |
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oleonard |
I support having all those things fixed and having it available in the staff client! |
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jcamins |
kf: yeah. |
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kf |
jcamins: I thinks ession is preferrable |
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jcamins |
Don't get me wrong, having it in the OPAC as it is is better than not having it at all, but if I'm going to talk to people about adding it on the staff side, I'd like to have it work better on the staff side. |
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kf |
next they will want it in opac |
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kf |
I like your plan ;) |
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jcamins |
:) |
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tcohen |
jcamins "Zebra appears to be stopped fro instance XX"? |
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kf |
for? :) |
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jcamins |
How about "Zebra does not appear to have been running for instance XX"? |
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kf |
tcohen++ |
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oleonard |
jcamins: Why "to have been" instead of "to be" ? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: because by the time you read the message, it's been started. |
| 15:04 |
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oleonard |
Got it. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: do we use optgroups in Koha, or do we try to avoid them? |
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jcamins |
I'm contemplating using optgroups for budget periods. |
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oleonard |
I think the only issue with them in the past was with translation, and that problem has been resolved. |
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oleonard |
I know of several existing uses |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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jcamins |
kf: what would you think of using optgroups for budget periods? |
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kf |
i think I could like that |
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Joubu |
jcamins: I developed something like that for bug 5336 I think |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Acq history search |
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kf |
Joubu: do you think if matts_away is around this week? |
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Joubu |
kf: he is away today. He will come back tomorrow |
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kf |
ah ok |
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kf |
i was hoping he might have a chance to look at the inventory patch again |
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jcamins |
Joubu: unfortunately, I have a lot of empty optgroups when I apply that patch. |
| 15:16 |
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jcamins |
Actually, I just have a lot of empty budgets. |
| 15:16 |
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jcamins |
So never mind. |
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kf |
jcamins: wondering, how will lock and active fit in there? |
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jcamins |
kf: I did not plan on giving the option of selecting inactive or locked budgets. |
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kf |
so they won't show - all ok for me |
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jcamins |
If you are receiving items and want to bill them against an inactive budget, you're doing it wrong! |
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kf |
agreed :) |
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kf |
different for search in history |
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jcamins |
Ditto locked. |
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jcamins |
Agreed. |
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Topic for #koha is now Happy birthday Jcamins |
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Joubu |
bye #koha |
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oleonard |
Bye Joubu |
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kf |
cait? |
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wahanui |
go back to bed, cait. |
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kf |
cait? |
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wahanui |
go back to bed, cait. |
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kf |
cait? |
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wahanui |
cait is qam, not your secretary |
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kf |
aah. |
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druthb |
kf? |
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wahanui |
somebody said kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
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druthb |
kf? |
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wahanui |
kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
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druthb |
heh |
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| 15:51 |
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oleonard |
Seems like the best way to configure client-side table sorting to exclude articles like "a," "an," and "the" is to add the strings to the datatables-strings.inc configuration file |
| 15:52 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: ewwww. |
| 15:52 |
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oleonard |
...rather than via a preference as I had originally thought |
| 15:52 |
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jcamins |
But, probably. |
| 15:52 |
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oleonard |
The main drawback to that is that translators will need to know *why* they have to translate a string like "a an the" |
| 15:53 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: We need a way to pass an arbitrary set of articles to the sorting function |
| 15:53 |
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kf |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:53 |
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oleonard |
A preference would work too but only for one language |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I'm not saying that's not the best way to do it, just that it's a shame that's the best way. |
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oleonard |
kf: As a translator, do you think there is a way to address this possible confusion? |
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kf |
reading back |
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kf |
oleonard: not sure really if the translator woudl pick it up at all |
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kf |
if it's noly a text file that is |
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jcamins |
kf: it's javascript, like: var articles = _("a an the"); |
| 16:03 |
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oleonard |
Exactly |
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jcamins |
kf: I have a question. |
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jcamins |
If you are creating an order, and you have AcqCreateItems set to "when cataloging the record" but thenchange AcqCreateItems to "when receiving the order" before you've received the order, do you expect an item to be created when you receive the order or not? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: is there a reason why the select for "Vendor:" is offset a bit when creating a basket? |
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* oleonard |
looks |
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reiveune |
bye |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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oleonard |
jcamins: Looks to me like the selects for billing place and delivery place are offset from the rest |
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jcamins |
Oh, in that case, there should be s before them too, I guess. |
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oleonard |
None of them should have |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
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jcamins |
In that case none of them should have s. |
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* jcamins |
is very flexible on this matter. |
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jcamins |
Just wondering if there was a reason. |
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oleonard |
I don't know why the was added. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: because non-breaking spaces are cool! |
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kf |
jcamins: have to leave - will look later |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
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oleonard |
Are there languages which *don't* exclude articles from sorting? Besides languages without articles I suppose? |
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drojf |
oleonard: i think you have both in german. sorting with and without the article |
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oleonard |
Whenever I see sorting done on "the" in an English language system I assume it's because they didn't know how to exclude it and/or are lazy jerks. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: none come to mind. Lots of languages which don't have articles at the beginning of words, but those that have recognizable articles at the beginning of the word all ignore them for sorting in my experience. |
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* jcamins |
too. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: what would you think about making the invoices table on the parcels page default to sorting in reverse chronological order? |
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oleonard |
Makes sense to me. |
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jcamins |
Wait. |
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jcamins |
It's supposed to be. |
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jcamins |
That's in the code. |
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jcamins |
It just doesn't work. |
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oleonard |
Bad date sort? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: not so much bad date sort as "trying to sort on a column that doesn't exist." |
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* jcamins |
blames copy-and-paste. |
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jcamins |
Okay... |
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jcamins |
now I'm confused. |
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jcamins |
wtf is that "Line" for? |
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oleonard |
? |
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jcamins |
There's a column in that table with the heading "Line." |
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jcamins |
It is not ID, because it is always in ascending order. |
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oleonard |
I've seen the term "order line" used frequently, but I don't know what it means. |
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jcamins |
I always thought an "order line" was an order for a single item. |
| 16:44 |
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jcamins |
Huh. |
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jcamins |
The filter box on the side doesn't do anything. |
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jcamins |
Actually, it does. |
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jcamins |
You just can't change the number of results on a page. |
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oleonard |
Oh, you have to add "sign off" as the last step in your test plan?! That's where I've been going wrong! |
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jcamins |
oleonard: it amuses me. |
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* oleonard |
shouldn't talk, gets lots of generous signer-offers |
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cait |
jcamins: _ |
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cait |
wrong kezboard again |
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jcamins |
cait: If you are creating an order, and you have AcqCreateItems set to "when cataloging the record" but thenchange AcqCreateItems to "when receiving the order" before you've received the order, do you expect an item to be created when you receive the order or not? |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
difficult |
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cait |
i think it would be nice if it worked that way i guess |
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cait |
but thats a candidate for an 123 thing... i might missing something here |
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cait |
hah i got the keyboard configured :) |
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druthb |
"When beetles fight these battles in a bottle with their paddles and the bottle's on a poodle and the poodle's eating noodles...they call this a muddle puddle tweetle poodle beetle noodle bottle paddle battle." |
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druthb |
If you can say that fast, you're ready to use acq. |
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jcamins |
Okay, I'll add an option four, "always obey current AcqCreateItems setting." |
| 17:14 |
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oleonard |
Re: Bug 10153, I'm proposing to hide *all* the patron search refine options instead of picking and choosing. |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10153 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Patron header search form is too wide |
| 17:14 |
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oleonard |
So by default show the text input, then click [+] to show more options (like search fields, type, library limit) |
| 17:14 |
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cait |
i like |
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oleonard |
Right now we show some and hide some |
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jcamins |
This oyster bisque came out superb. |
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jcamins |
So superb I think I want more. |
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cait |
cake? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... cake is a lie! |
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* druthb |
offers cait some cake. |
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cait |
icecream cake? |
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* druthb |
puts a scoop of ice cream next to the cake. |
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jcamins |
cait: oyster bisque. |
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cait |
hmm |
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cait |
that doesn't look right druthb |
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cait |
there has to be oreo crumble... and fudge icing |
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druthb |
hm. |
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druthb |
picky thing, aren't you? |
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cait |
well... |
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cait |
for it to be jared's icecream cake.. .but I will take your cake too |
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* druthb |
puts a couple of Oreos in the chopper, then pours the bits on top of the ice cream, followed by a drizzle of fudge. |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
but... now what cake is that? |
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cait |
:P |
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cait |
okok |
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* cait |
will be good now and look into doing qa |
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jcamins |
Does anyone know how many patrons the "largest" Koha library has? |
| 17:55 |
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jcamins |
talljoy: you have some massive consortia. Any idea how many patrons the largest of those has? |
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talljoy |
one sec on phone |
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jcamins |
Sure. |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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talljoy |
sorry. jcamins yah, off the top my head i'd say the largest consortium has 200-300K patrons |
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jcamins |
talljoy: thanks. |
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jcamins |
So it's probably safe for me to say "most Koha libraries have well under 500k patrons." |
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talljoy |
might even be higher, but i'd have to dig for that information |
| 18:01 |
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talljoy |
but yes, *most* are under 500K |
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jcamins |
Items are a bit more problematic to choose a reasonable upper barrier for, of course, as there are consortia out there with 50m+ items. |
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jcamins |
500000 * 50000000 |
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wahanui |
25000000000000 |
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jcamins |
Oh, wahanui doesn't do exponent notation. |
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* jcamins |
counts zeroes. |
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druthb |
10e4 * 15 |
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druthb |
… apparently not. |
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tcohen |
10^15 |
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druthb |
10**15 |
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tcohen |
10 :-P 15 |
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druthb |
:P |
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rambutan |
10^3 * 10^4 |
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wahanui |
16 |
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maximep |
suuuuuuuuuure |
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druthb |
uhm... |
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rambutan |
10^5 * 10^6 |
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wahanui |
62 |
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rambutan |
I'm trying to figure that out... |
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druthb |
10^3 * 10^3 |
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wahanui |
23 |
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druthb |
okay. 23 is a *prime number*. no fair! |
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maximep |
o_O |
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druthb |
calc 10**3 |
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druthb |
hm. appears to not be using Supybot's plugin for that. |
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druthb |
10 ** 3 |
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* druthb |
scritches her head. |
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druthb |
wahanui appears to be an Infobot, but doesn't seem to want to do that. |
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wahanui |
druthb: what? |
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* druthb |
pokes wahanui |
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druthb |
wahanui: what is ten to the third power? |
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wahanui |
bugger all, i dunno, druthb |
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druthb |
wahanui: what is 10 percent of 15? |
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wahanui |
druthb: i don't know |
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druthb |
10 percent of 15? |
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wahanui |
1.5 |
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druthb |
creeeeeepy. |
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druthb |
10 to the third power? |
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* druthb |
goes "harrrumph!" |
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druthb |
square root of 4? |
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wahanui |
2 |
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druthb |
oho. |
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druthb |
square root of 2? |
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wahanui |
1.4142135623731 |
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druthb |
fair 'nuf. |
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druthb |
square root of -1? |
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druthb |
didn't think so. |
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* druthb |
was hoping for a smart-aleck remark, at least. |
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jcamins |
wahanui: square root of -1 is <reply> Don't get fresh with me! |
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wahanui |
OK, jcamins. |
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* druthb |
debates snapping jcamins with a rubber band. |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
cannot place on hold - no copies are available to be placed on hold |
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cait |
and I don't see why... |
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cait |
can someoen throw a few ideas at me? |
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jcamins |
cait: you've been spending too much time talking to me? |
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cait |
I checked circulation rules for that library, patron category itemtype combination |
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cait |
allowonshelfholds is set to allow |
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oleonard |
IndependantBranches? |
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cait |
login branch = item home branch |
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cait |
but I am checking it anyway |
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cait |
it's off |
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cait |
maxreserves is set to 50 |
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cait |
it would be quite nice if we could figure that out.... trying to test that holdsqueue bug |
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cait |
and nothing in the logs :( |
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cait |
oleonard: i suspect a bug there...but I can't put my finger on it |
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bgkriegel |
cait: are you trying to place a hold from opac results? |
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bgkriegel |
or details? |
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cait |
no, from staff |
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cait |
i have activated allosholdsoverride something now |
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bgkriegel |
same problem |
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cait |
but i think it shoould have been possible to place a hold without having to override it |
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cait |
for you? |
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bgkriegel |
I'm looking |
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bgkriegel |
a strange thing in opac, in search results there is a 'place hold', but in details page there isn't |
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cait |
I think the check on details might be stricter |
| 19:47 |
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cait |
but it feels like there is something seriously wrong here |
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bgkriegel |
could be |
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cait |
... and my holds are not showing up in the holds_queue either :( |
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cait |
i forced a hold with the override |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
but it still doesn't work |
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bgkriegel |
we need mechanized tests... |
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cait |
yeah we do |
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cait |
so you got problems too? |
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cait |
i see nothing in the logs and the check causing the message has multiple conditions |
| 19:51 |
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bgkriegel |
yes, too, and yes, to many... |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
i may have found it |
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cait |
the itemtype was set to notforloan |
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cait |
cross fingers |
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cait |
yep that did it |
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cait |
bgkriegel: we really need t refactor those checks |
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bgkriegel |
yeap |
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cait |
thx :) |
| 19:59 |
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rangi |
not without a full set of unit tests first |
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cait |
agreed |
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cait |
we might turn up some bugs tho if we got those unit tests |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
good morning |
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rangi |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]no-not-like-that/ |
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oleonard |
Hi rangi |
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rangi |
morning |
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cait |
rangi: i know :) it's just that I think we are not really consistently checking the same things every where right now |
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cait |
or at least i worry about it:) |
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cait |
i am not going to delete or change anything without unit tests *promises* |
| 20:01 |
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rangi |
good, cos thats how we got to this point :) |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
yeah, but I think we are on a good track to not make it worse |
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cait |
or atleast I am hoping |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
so slowly wemight be able to clear up some of the older stuff |
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bgkriegel |
solved, in my case was one of the sysprefs. There are too many... |
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rangi |
no their arent |
| 20:05 |
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rangi |
there |
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bgkriegel |
ok :-) |
| 20:06 |
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bgkriegel |
to remember at last |
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rangi |
its a UI/UX problem, not the fact we have a lot |
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rangi |
its just they are not all grouped together nicely |
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rangi |
you should be able to switch on a group at once |
| 20:06 |
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rangi |
that would make them more managable |
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cait |
yeah, a more specific error message would do it |
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cait |
it ould have told me: not for loan |
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rangi |
id like profiles |
| 20:07 |
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bgkriegel |
and in my case a poor message, it said no copies available, no not allowed on unchecked items |
| 20:07 |
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rangi |
yeah |
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rangi |
poor errors is a real problem |
| 20:08 |
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bgkriegel |
some more boring (but important) things to fix |
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cait |
holds and boring? :) |
| 20:09 |
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cait |
insane... but boring? :) |
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bgkriegel |
:) |
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jcamins |
Fwoosh! <-- the sound of jcamins trying to get to a tour at the MoMA in an hour |
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cait |
hehe |
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cait |
almost like batman |
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wizzyrea |
cait do you have a default rule? |
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wizzyrea |
on never mind it was not for loan |
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wizzyrea |
I'd like preference profiles too |
| 20:45 |
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wizzyrea |
and permissions profiles |
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wizzyrea |
also good morning |
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cait |
good morning wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
holds are always exciting ^.^ |
| 20:50 |
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wizzyrea |
or at least, present the most interesting problems |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
glad you see it that way ;) |
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gcb |
I have an installation running the Debian-package version of Koha with several separate sites configured. After staging and importing batches of biblio records for individual sites, I discovered that no authority records had been created. Looking at everything online suggests that I create the marc authority records and use bulkmarcimport.pl to import these. |
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gcb |
How do I ensure that the authorities are imported into the appropriate collection? |
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rangi |
yes |
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rangi |
create and import that authorities too? |
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rangi |
you need to do that using bulkmarcimport.pl -a from the commandline |
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cait |
to my knowledge koha doesn't create authorities automatically if you do bulk import |
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rangi |
or are you wanting Koha to create authorities for you ? |
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cait |
rangi: I think you can use staged now for importing authorities - jcamins did it :) |
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cait |
in 3.10 I think |
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rangi |
cait: i think it will if you set biblioaddauthorities but you would have to test |
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cait |
i think only does it in catalouguing |
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cait |
but not entirely sure, a test woudl be good |
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gcb |
But how do I those into the collection for site1 versus site2 or site3? I don't see a switch to indicate the destination collection. |
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rangi |
gcb: how do you mean .. you have done a few koha-create right so you have a bunhc of different instances? |
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gcb |
Yes |
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rangi |
if you are running 3.10.x cait says you should be able to just import them in the web interface, so just do that for the site you want to |
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cait |
I think you stage the file and tell it if it is biliographic or authority |
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rangi |
if you want to do it on the commandline, you need to do it as the user and using the right config |
| 21:10 |
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rangi |
eg |
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rangi |
sudo -u corrections-koha PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/corrections/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -d -a --file koha_auth.marc |
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cait |
should be 3.10 I hope - I tested someting in that area yesterday in master, but most of the authority work went into 3.10 |
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gcb |
I thought you could bulk import authorities from the gui? |
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rangi |
gcb: yes, cait says you can, in the koha staff side |
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rangi |
and you have a different staff site for each instance |
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rangi |
so just import them into the right one |
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gcb |
I'll give it a try from the gui, thanks. |
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rangi |
by gui you mean staff site eh? |
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gcb |
Yes. They were import just fine. Do they still need to be linked from the command line? |
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gcb |
Does /usr/share/koha/bin/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl still need to be run? |
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rangi |
@later tell cait bug 10128 is caused because the bad patch has only been reverted on 3.12 not on master |
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huginn` |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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rangi |
gmcharlt might want to revert it on master too |
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rangi |
zomg |
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rangi |
im not even touching that email |
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rangi |
someone has to i guess |
| 21:47 |
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rangi |
its a massive FUD |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: which patch? |
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wahanui |
which patch are we talking about? |
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gmcharlt |
*sigh* does infobot have a mode where it won't automatically pick up EVERY assertion, just ones its explicitly told to remember? |
| 21:51 |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
i think bug 6554 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
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rangi |
yep thats it |
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rangi |
you might want to check with jcamins of course |
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mtj |
rangi, nah, just let it die... |
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rangi |
mtj: im just afraid someone will think koha can magically update your system without you doing something (which is patently untrue of course) |
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mtj |
god knows what hes done to his box, but its nothing we can help him with |
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eythian |
hi |
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wahanui |
privet, eythian |
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mtj |
but yeah, you do make an important point… :/ |
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mtj |
hey eythian |
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wahanui |
eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem. |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell jcamins would appreciate eyes on http://git.koha-community.org/[…]w/bug6554_reverts to verify that it is consistent with what you reverted |
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gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell cait NB http://git.koha-community.org/[…]w/bug6554_reverts |
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gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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bag |
afternoon all |
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tcohen |
jcamins around? |
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tcohen |
ok, technical question #koha |
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tcohen |
tomatoes, onion, basil, salt, some sugar, black pepper |
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tcohen |
anything else for some spaghetti? |
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eythian |
doesn't matter, if it's in git you can always roll back and try something else. |
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tcohen |
heh |
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rangi |
olives |
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tcohen |
olive oil for frying the onions could make it? |
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tcohen |
(olive-less today :( ) |
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rangi |
that'd work :) |
| 23:23 |
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rangi |
i was going for Puttanesca |
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rangi |
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/puttanesca-i/ |
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rangi |
it tastes better than the name translates to :-) |
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* dcook |
wishes he had the recipe for the fig and raspberry port crumble that his partner made last night... |
| 23:25 |
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tcohen |
hmm, I don't like capers, but overall it sounds great |
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rangi |
you could subsititue pepperdew or thinly sliced capsicum instead of capers i reckon |
| 23:28 |
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rangi |
bgkriegel++ #thanks for splitting out my patch and adding yours as a followup |
| 23:29 |
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rangi |
tcohen: do yo think you might make it to kohacon? |
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rangi |
dcook: ohh that sounds very nice |
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dcook |
'twas delicious :) |
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tcohen |
i hope so rangi, i'm trying to contact the US embassy this week for the VISA |
| 23:31 |
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rangi |
i had an idea, stolen from linuxconf.au |
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tcohen |
which idea? |
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rangi |
of doing a shared dinner one of the nights |
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tcohen |
that sounds perfect! heh |
| 23:32 |
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rangi |
it might not be feasible, at linuxconf people had the use of a kitchen |
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rangi |
but we might be able to at least do a shared afternoon tea or something with something from each of our countries :) |
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rangi |
or state |
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rangi |
in the USians case |
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rangi |
i hope your visa works out :) |
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tcohen |
i hope so |
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rangi |
for kohacon10 we wrote some letters of invitation for people |
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tcohen |
i'll do everything i can to make it this year |
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rangi |
to help with visas |
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rangi |
that might be an option if you need something like that |
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tcohen |
oh, maybe i'll ask if that could help on the embassy |
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rangi |
*nod* |
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tcohen |
right |
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tcohen |
ok, Mezzanine on my home theatre, heading to the kitchen |
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tcohen |
BBL, thanks rangi |
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rangi |
cya |
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* dcook |
really needs to remember to book flights and such.. |
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dcook |
Hmm...is it all right if "get_report_social_data.pl" starts with "#!/bin/perl" rather than "#!/usr/bin/perl" > |
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dcook |
perl -c says the syntax is fine |
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rangi |
that will work sometimes :) |
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rangi |
id change it, just to keep it consistent |
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rangi |
(it wouldnt work on my debian install) |
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rangi |
zsh: no such file or directory: /bin/perl |
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dcook |
k, I'll do a bug report for it |
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dcook |
merci :) |
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jcamins |
... |
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jcamins |
I don't even-! |
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dcook |
O_o |
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rangi |
the latest paul a email? |
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jcamins |
Yeah. |
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rangi |
its pretty special |
| 23:53 |
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jcamins |
It's so wrong, and so likely to be damaging it needs a response. |
| 23:53 |
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jcamins |
But... |
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jcamins |
wtf? |
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rangi |
yeah that's as far as i got |
