IRC log for #koha, 2013-04-29

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00:00 rangi put them there
00:00 rangi with a txt file that tells people to get them from there
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00:03 mtj ok, ill just pass then :)
00:04 mib_ed4en6 hi all. I'm having trouble getting my overdue notices to include the fine for each item, or even just an overall fine for the patron. I'm running 3.10.4 and will update today/tomorrow. Is it infact possible to have the fine amount included in the overdue notices?
00:04 rangi yep
00:05 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378
00:05 huginn` Bug 8378: major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
00:05 rangi fix is in 3.10.5
00:05 rangi <<items.fine>> is what you need
00:05 rangi when you have upgraded
00:05 mib_ed4en6 i've used <item>......<fine>USD</fine> </tem>
00:06 rangi yes, that won't work
00:06 rangi you can read that full bug report if you like :)
00:06 mib_ed4en6 Great.. so i can just stick <<items.fine>>  between the <item></item> ?
00:06 rangi no
00:06 rangi not until you upgrade
00:07 rangi and the upgrade will fix your fine notices
00:07 mib_ed4en6 I'll definitley read the bug, I meant after the upgrade, sorry.
00:07 rangi ahh you shouldnt need to
00:07 rangi the upgrade should fix that <fine> syntax for you
00:08 rangi but yes if not what you said will work
00:08 mib_ed4en6 Thank you very much :)
00:47 rangi mtj: dont we already have a perltidyrc ?
00:48 rangi guess not
00:48 mtj heh, we do :)
00:49 mtj but… its old, outdated and incorrect
00:49 rangi ahh we should update the bug then
00:50 rangi done
00:50 rangi it's now update perltidyrc file
00:50 rangi so i dont get confused again :)
00:51 mtj fyi: i didnt realise any of that until now (or had forgotten?)
00:53 mtj lol -  if i had worded the bug title better, it would have been pushed without question
00:54 rangi *nod*
01:04 eythian didn't we decide on a perltidy that was only very slightly different from the standard perltidy defaults with PBP defaults?
01:04 eythian there was a bit of a discussion about it a while back
01:04 mtj chris, i think your 9949 patch blew up the  :D
01:05 eythian actually, turns out I've been using exactly the defaults provided by perltidy.
01:05 mtj eythian, we decided on the default (wall) style, i think
01:06 eythian what's 'wall'? It's not defined in the man page.
01:06 eythian you mean perlstyle?
01:06 mtj yeah
01:07 eythian OK, that's exactly the default, so a perltidyrc isn't necessary.
01:07 mtj yep, pretty much :)
01:08 eythian so I guess you can just provide a file that says '# This file intentionally left blank'
01:09 mtj yep, or delete the file, or add a longhand version
01:10 mtj i thought a 'longhand' version would be informative, for the curious :)
01:12 mtj but, yeah, its a bit of a silly patch really - a very verbose no-op :)
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01:54 * jcamins has successfully implemented something using IndexedDB. It's a miracle!
01:55 jurgens Hi, I was on here earlier today, and thanks for the help with including fines in overdue notices. As a side question, I usually include a count to say that you have x amount of late items and then give a more detailed list of the items.. is it possible to include a you have a total of x fines as well?
01:55 jurgens I'm happy with a fine per item list/summary.. just wondering if you could total the fine in the notice too?
01:55 jcamins jurgens: I think there may be a patch adding that which has not yet been tested for inclusion in Koha yet.
01:56 jcamins I'm not sure, though.
01:56 jurgens Ok, thanks. Its more just a convenience thing I think than essential, but thanks for letting me know.
02:06 mtj hmm, i dont think a total for fines or number-of-items exists yet
02:06 mtj would be handy
02:11 jcamins mtj: as I said, I think there may be a new patch for that, but I don't know what its status is.
02:12 mtj ok, i didnt think even a patch existed
02:17 mtj woah, giant squid ->[…]ashes-up-on-coast
02:23 wizzyrea whoa
02:23 wizzyrea only 1m tho, smaller than the one at Te Papa
02:23 wizzyrea still that's a lot of calamari :P
02:31 mtj the 2nd pic is impressive
02:33 wizzyrea *nod*
02:33 wizzyrea does it seem there are more of these washing up?
02:33 wizzyrea i thought there was another one a month or so ago too
02:35 wizzyrea keke[…]_giant_squid.html
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02:49 mtj cool, will watch that one
02:55 wizzyrea it's really cool, totally worth the 8 minutes
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04:42 eythian hi cait
04:43 cait hi eythian :)
05:18 wizzyrea dcook about?
05:18 dcook Ish
05:19 dcook What's up, wizzyrea?
05:19 wizzyrea were you looking at the strange displacement of book covers caused by the local cover images?
05:19 * dcook ponders
05:19 dcook Not caused by local covers, me thinks
05:20 wizzyrea but you were looking at strange displacements caused by book covers or lack thereof?
05:20 dcook I was looking at the displacement/deletion of local cover images by Amazon images
05:20 dcook Yep
05:20 wizzyrea what was the bug number for that?
05:20 wizzyrea if you remember
05:20 * wizzyrea is looking at something similar, would rather not duplicate work if possible
05:20 dcook Should be bug 9737, I think
05:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists
05:21 * cait waves
05:21 * dcook waves to cait :)
05:21 dcook bug 8264
05:21 dcook also in relation to IE
05:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Passed QA , local cover images not working in IE8
05:22 dcook @later tell jcamins Yeah, it's fine if you give Edmund credit for 8264
05:22 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
05:22 cait eythian: could you take a look at 10084 too maybe?
05:23 dcook I also opened 9991
05:23 dcook a while ago in regards to de-duplicating the "no cover image" graphics, but I haven't done any work on it yet
05:23 cait dcook: before you start on the plugins - we got a patch that will change the data structure there
05:23 cait to fix translatability
05:24 eythian cait: I can try to
05:24 eythian just reading the patch it looks good to me
05:24 cait that would be aswesome
05:24 cait feel free to use your superpower on it
05:24 eythian but I might put it off for a while, I'm super busy right now
05:24 dcook cait: the plugins?
05:24 wahanui the plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they?
05:24 cait (passing it that is)
05:24 cait dcook: 008 etc. - your recent bug report :)
05:24 dcook Ahh
05:25 dcook I think I might be a bit out of my depth on that one anyway :p
05:25 dcook I was mostly putting it out there in the hopes that someone more familiar with that part of Koha might have some ideas
05:25 dcook But yes, noted ^_^
05:25 dcook wizzyrea: What's the issue that you're encountering?
05:25 cait dcook: did you see jared's question on the ie bug .... i think it was in chat
05:26 dcook Yep. He had huginn remind me
05:26 cait ok
05:26 wizzyrea something different than that - it looks like if you add, then delete a local cover image it still thinks one exists -- but I'm not 100% certain that's true
05:26 wizzyrea yet*
05:26 dcook Mmm, that sounds familiar
05:27 dcook I seem to remember someone mentioning having troubles trying to delete or replace local cover images
05:27 wizzyrea :) yea I think I thought it was you
05:27 dcook Hmm. Don't see anything in our local bug db though...
05:38 * eythian does some benchmarking under different conditions and finds that running with memcache roughly doubles the time for a request.
05:38 eythian I wonder why.
05:39 eythian I wonder if it forces the mod_perl to get restarted every time, but that doesn't make sense either...
05:55 * magnuse waves
05:55 cjh eythian: wow, that is unexpected.
05:55 cjh hey magnuse :)
05:56 magnuse hiya cjh
05:56 cait hi magnuse and cjh
05:56 cjh good evening cait :)
05:57 cait bugs in qa queue down to 16! yay!
05:57 cait wonder for how long... it always jumps back to 20 when I turn my back on it
05:57 cjh heh
06:00 cait hmm
06:00 cait sometimes when we click on the 'open in opac link' I get a perl error in the opac
06:00 wizzyrea cjh++ for writing all the things down
06:00 cait reloading the pag then brings up the record
06:01 cait and now of course i can't reproduce it
06:01 cait *sigh*
06:01 cait has anyone else seen this?
06:01 dcook I thought I saw that today, cait
06:01 dcook But yeah, when I tried a second time, it was fine
06:01 cait i have seen it on our install at work, and at least once on my dev install
06:01 dcook I figured that I just clicked on a different link or that I was imagining things
06:02 cait hm I don't think you have
06:02 cait but a bit sparse for filing a bug report
06:04 eythian cait: the logs will tell you
06:04 cjh wizzyrea: oh what did I write down that was helpful this time?
06:04 cait yeah, but will need uli for that, can't reproduce it hee
06:04 cait here
06:04 wizzyrea the same thing you wrote down before I left last week :)
06:05 wizzyrea packagey things
06:05 cjh glad it was helpful :)
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06:26 * dcook wonders what the "Accounts" module is...
06:26 dcook In the Guided Report Wizard
06:27 eythian fines and stuff I would guess.
06:28 dcook Me too, but I wonder how Koha thinks about it
06:28 dcook I always write my own reports. I wonder what the user experience for the guided wizard is like...
06:29 eythian a bit weird and complicated, in my limited experience.
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06:31 dcook Mhm
06:34 cait serials code is a bit messy
06:35 magnuse shocking! ;-)
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06:36 christophe_c hello #koha
06:38 wizzyrea guided reports? it's scary. it's good for getting you kind of close to a report you might wnt to use. They almost always require tweaking
06:38 wizzyrea though
06:39 dcook Seems like it. I suppose it depends on what you want to report.
06:40 cait wizzyrea: no I just meant serials :)
06:41 cait but guided reports is messy too
06:41 cait argh
06:41 wizzyrea oh hi cait :)
06:41 wahanui hi cait :) are you around ?
06:41 cait should be reading back :)
06:41 wizzyrea hehehe all ok
06:41 cait sorry
06:42 cait working through a list of notes from my coworker and answering the question which issues show on the issues tab in serials subscription details turned out to be quite hard to explain
06:42 cait bug 10142
06:42 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10142 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Unclear which issues show on subscription details issues tab
06:43 dcook Mmm
06:43 dcook I think I might've written a patch for that..
06:44 dcook I think they're being displayed based on...a date perhaps...rather than their enumeration
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06:44 drojf good morning #koha
06:45 dcook morning drojf
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06:45 drojf hi dcook
06:45 reiveune hello
06:45 cait dcook: sorting is off too - but the question was which issues display at all... and that's complicated too
06:46 cait not sure I agree with things like this being so complicated
06:46 cait morning drojf :)
06:46 * dcook is looking through the bug now
06:46 dcook Yeah, I see what you're saying now
06:46 cait bit insane, right?
06:46 drojf hi cait :)
06:46 wahanui hi cait :) are you around ?
06:46 drojf hehe
06:46 cait nope wahanui, leaving for work :)
06:46 cait bye all :)
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06:48 wizzyrea OMG I hve been working on that too the fracking serials sorting
06:48 wizzyrea please someone let me know if you sort it
06:49 * eythian clicks on a column header and calls it sorted.
06:49 wizzyrea is not so easy smartie
06:51 magnuse lol
06:54 dcook wizzyrea: I swear that I looked at this before
06:54 dcook But I can't see any notes now..
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06:56 dcook So are we talking the "Subscriptions" tab on the detail pages?
06:57 dcook or
06:58 dcook Side note: I bought a new book on Friday and took it to a friend's engagement party...forgot it at the bar
06:58 jajm hello
06:58 dcook Bought another copy on Saturday...took it to a friend's birthday party...forgot it in my friend's bag (who kept it so I wouldn't forget it at the bar)
06:58 dcook Today I have no book...
06:58 dcook hi jajm :)
06:59 rangi is it client side sorting?
06:59 dcook cait: What is the "serials subscription detail page"?
06:59 dcook Wait...
06:59 * dcook realizes that cait is gone
07:00 dcook rangi: I think the only place there is client side sorting is...
07:00 dcook
07:00 rangi k
07:01 rangi mostly the problem is ppl can put whatever the hell they want in the enumeration
07:01 dcook I'm pretty sure it doesn't do any sorting
07:01 dcook Well..
07:01 rangi and sorting that in any kind of useful well is impossible
07:01 dcook Sorts by serialid probably
07:01 dcook Hmm, perhaps
07:01 rangi leading spaces, punctuation
07:01 rangi etc
07:01 dcook Ahhh
07:01 dcook yeah
07:01 dcook For sure
07:01 dcook What I meant before is..
07:01 rangi so we try and do something tricky and make it worse :)
07:01 dcook You should have the most recent enumeration
07:02 dcook So rather than Vol 1, 2, 3
07:02 dcook You should have Vol 6, 5, 4
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07:02 dcook And while we can't control the enumeration
07:02 eythian really, we should just turn off sorting on that column. It's not a meaningful thing to do, but by having the option, people think it must be.
07:02 dcook We can control other factors
07:02 rangi yeah
07:02 dcook O_o
07:02 dcook Mmm
07:02 * dcook is looking at 3.8
07:02 dcook I assume more sorting was added?
07:02 dcook client-side?
07:03 rangi i think so
07:03 eythian yeah
07:03 dcook Mmm
07:03 alex_a bonjour
07:03 dcook Well, I think the server side sort is still off
07:04 dcook salut alex_a
07:04 rangi its always going to be
07:05 dcook Not if you sort by planned date desc
07:05 rangi but you could have a syspref to make it recent first, or recent last
07:05 dcook Planned date being the receival date
07:05 rangi yeah but sometimes ppl receive 3
07:05 rangi then 2
07:05 rangi cos 2 got lost
07:05 rangi in the mail
07:05 rangi or never sent
07:05 dcook I suppose recent does become somewhat relative then
07:05 rangi yeah
07:05 dcook Do we mean recent receival or recent publishing
07:05 dcook Hmm
07:06 rangi it gets mental fast
07:06 dcook Touché ;)
07:06 rangi maybe chose order by receiveddate dest
07:06 dcook I suppose you could use the..
07:06 rangi c
07:06 rangi or planneddate desc
07:06 dcook Mhm
07:06 dcook It looks like I did write a patch as I have descending on my 3.8
07:07 * dcook wishes he had more time
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07:07 wizzyrea and then there's the whole "enumerations are human enterable" thing >.<
07:08 wizzyrea it makes me want to run screaming in circles until I run into a wall and fall down
07:08 dcook That describes my day
07:08 dcook Actually, my day was more...why doesn't Koha act like this other system?
07:08 dcook This other system does this
07:08 dcook was fun pointing out how the other system actually didn't really achieve its set out goal
07:10 rangi thats the least persuasive argument ever, koha should do this cos some other system does it
07:11 * rangi goes to make a wallpaper
07:11 dcook D'accord
07:11 dcook You don't even want to hear about some of the other madness
07:12 dcook @later tell jcamins Happy belated birthday, btw
07:12 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
07:14 wizzyrea hehe we thrive on madness :)
07:14 wizzyrea @uote get 123
07:14 huginn` wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
07:14 wizzyrea @quote get 123
07:14 wahanui
07:14 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
07:15 rangi speaking of mad
07:15 rangi i read this today
07:15 rangi[…]to-own-their.html
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07:16 huginn` GERMS!!!!
07:16 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:16 rangi and it made me angry
07:16 rangi hey kf
07:16 * dcook is one paragraph in and now confused..
07:16 dcook hola kf
07:17 magnuse rangi: "industry-standard DRM"?
07:17 rangi exactly
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07:17 rangi i thought yay libraries doing it right
07:17 rangi then read it
07:17 gaetan_B hello
07:17 rangi and went boo, thats crap
07:17 magnuse yeah
07:17 rangi hiya gaetan_B
07:18 dcook "the application of industry-standard DRM on the library’s files; multiple purchases based on demand; and a “click to buy” feature" is the part that stands out to me
07:18 dcook rangi: When I first read the link URL, I figured it would be something you love
07:18 magnuse i'm working on a project that tries to get it right - based on unencrypted ePub:
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07:18 rangi yeah, how is it any different
07:18 dcook mhm
07:18 rangi than overdrive
07:18 rangi answer is .. its not
07:19 rangi magnuse: yay!!
07:19 dcook magnuse: Oslo public library. Nice!
07:19 rangi and combine that with opds
07:19 rangi as a nice distribution mechanism
07:20 magnuse how is that article describing a "revolutionary distribution model"?
07:20 rangi[…]395cb38a3992b214d
07:20 rangi magnuse: it's not
07:20 magnuse dcook: Oslo public library are doing a lot of cool things
07:20 rangi you are welcome to use that template if it is any use for you
07:21 magnuse rangi: cool! i just might do that
07:21 wizzyrea yea it's supposed to be great but just ends up being bleh.
07:21 wizzyrea more of the same.
07:21 magnuse dcook: not the least of which is
07:22 dcook Once upon a time, I worked for a library that talked about hosting its own ebooks, but...I don't think anything came of it
07:22 rangi yeah that is sweet magnuse
07:22 wizzyrea ecause they can't get publishers to go along with it >.<
07:22 wizzyrea frackin content owners
07:23 magnuse another cool project from OPL, based on marc2rdf:[…]6/active-shelves/
07:23 magnuse they even had the physical "stations" made by a local carpenter
07:24 rangi nice
07:25 dcook Looks neat, magnuse
07:25 magnuse and they are doing the development in house, so they have complete control of the project
07:25 magnuse i think it has been a very empowering experience for them
07:25 dcook :D
07:26 magnuse and they are doing *actual user testing* - something norwegian vendors never, ever do
07:28 dcook Sounds like Oslo is a pretty good place to be for libraries right now
07:28 * dcook wishes that Canada was doing more interesting things in libraries...
07:28 dcook Our national library is falling apart though
07:28 dcook The public libraries provide pretty good traditional services, but nothing too innovative that I've noticed
07:29 * dcook really needs to check out ALIA and see what's going on in Australia
07:29 magnuse one vendor launched a new opac some years ago, and i was invited to be one of the first to test. when we asked if they were going to test it on real users they said "sure, when it is a bit more finished"...
07:30 dcook I suppose you want to give a user a product with enough functions that they won't complain about things you're planning to offer
07:30 dcook But at the same time if you've developed too much, you back yourself into a corner and don't necessarily want to re-write your short-comings...
07:30 magnuse i think that second point is the central one, yes...
07:31 dcook Actually, even if you do want to re-write your shortcomings, deadlines don't always allow it...
07:31 dcook Hmm, in any case, I had best head off!
07:31 * dcook tried to install Debian on a box this weekend
07:32 dcook Bad RAM/motherboard...ended up freezing quite routinely
07:32 rangi yuck
07:32 dcook Got it installed at one point, but I couldn't download any packages of any kind
07:33 dcook I assume it was an issue with the install..
07:33 dcook When I installed Debian on a VM on my laptop, worked like a dream
07:33 dcook Mind you, my internet connection was magnitudes quicker than this one...
07:34 dcook So I was able to use a mirror (since I only downloaded the 1st disk)
07:35 dcook Oh well. I'll buy a new box (the last ones were spares) and see if using functional equipment helps
07:35 dcook night all
07:35 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:56 wizzyrea dcook, I had issues like that when I stupidly tried to use i386 arch on an amd64 machine >.<
07:56 wizzyrea oh he's gone.
07:56 wizzyrea bother.
07:57 wizzyrea yay for embarrassing admissions!
07:57 * wizzyrea facepalms
07:57 rangi that works much better than the other way round
07:58 rangi with the exception of not being able to see all your ram that is
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08:11 magnuse pft, ram - who needs it
08:12 rangi heh
08:38 wizzyrea i recall it didn't work well... but actually now that I'm thinking about it maybe it was the other way around, and I was doing amd64 on an i386... either way it was painful until I ejected the CD and noticed I'd put in the wrong one. (no, it wasn't one of my finer moments)
08:40 rangi yeah that totally wouldnt work the other way around
08:40 rangi but you can go down to 32 bit from 64 .. the other way is an issue :)
08:41 wizzyrea where in the db are the local cover images stored </lazyweb>
08:42 wizzyrea if anybody knows off of the top of their head
08:42 rangi not me
08:42 wizzyrea never mind! really obviously in ... biblioimages
08:43 wizzyrea derp
08:46 rangi interesting, but not really suprising
08:46 rangi updatedatebase is our most updated file
08:46 rangi 870 commits, 714 active days
08:46 * wizzyrea is not surprised by that either
08:46 wizzyrea we do lots of fiddling about in there.
08:47 rangi most edited module
08:47 rangi is my most hated
08:47 wizzyrea search?
08:47 wahanui search is for the patrons not the librarians
08:47 rangi C4/ 445        353
08:47 wizzyrea kek
08:47 wizzyrea least edited?
08:48 wizzyrea probably the newest.
08:48 rangi theres a lot with 1 or 2
08:48 rangi interesting
08:48 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
08:50 rangi
08:51 wizzyrea ha
08:53 wizzyrea small compared to some people, but listed out like that, lots of good memories ^.^
08:53 rangi yup :)
08:54 wizzyrea i had to revisit 6574 just today
08:56 kf wizzyrea: nice list :)
08:56 kf can I haz one too? :)
08:56 wizzyrea i'm sure there's one for you too :)
08:57 rangi
08:58 kf yay!
08:58 kf rangi++
08:58 rangi anyone else want one?
08:59 kf 310 :)
08:59 kf yay :)
09:03 drojf rangi: do mine please :)
09:04 drojf that should be small :D
09:05 rangi
09:07 drojf thanks! even smaller than i thought ^^
09:08 wizzyrea rangi++ those are fun
09:11 kf drojf: but lots of code in each, much more than in most of mine
09:11 kf I think the html5 one was quite big
09:12 drojf i think it was the coolest too :) and the one where i learned the most
09:12 magnuse rangi: yes please :-)
09:12 * magnuse is trying to catch up with wizzyrea in number of patches...
09:14 rangi 2 secs
09:15 kf drojf++
09:16 magnuse hm, if jcamins pushes my two passed qa normarc patches before wizzyrea has anything more pushed we will be even :-)
09:16 kf funnily I think my first patch was probably my most complicated
09:17 kf bug 3464
09:17 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3464 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, borrowers table should contain country information for libraries with international patron populations
09:18 kf but I coudl follow |Lupin|'s steps
09:18 rangi
09:18 magnuse rangi++
09:20 magnuse bug 3751 was my first - it removed one char :-)
09:20 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3751 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, magnus, CLOSED FIXED, Typo in
09:21 magnuse it felt like a huge thing though - my first ever contribution to a free software project!
09:21 * magnuse wanders off to find lunch
09:21 kf :)
09:21 drojf :)
09:38 rangi
09:38 rangi the second table is interesting
09:38 * kf wanders off to find lunch too - meeting later
09:38 rangi Below are the number of rows from each author that have survived and are still intact in the current revision.
09:39 * kf checks
09:39 rangi its counting the .sql files too
09:40 rangi hence the big numbers for the ppl who do their language .sql ones
09:40 rangi but interesting nonetheless
09:41 rangi specially in light of the opensource article and copyright bit
09:41 kf heh :)
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09:58 samuel hi everybody
09:59 magnuse rangi: yay for counting the sql files ;-)
09:59 rangi heh
10:00 samuel i've a question about git install. I've made one with git. When i make "git status", i'm on "v3.10.04'' branch but after installation,i've v3.11
10:01 mtj rangi++ woah nice!!!
10:04 rangi mtj:[…]ics-perlonly.html
10:04 rangi (only looking at the .pl and .pm files)
10:04 mtj ... and the second table - ive never seen that stat before
10:05 rangi yeah its using git blame to work it out
10:05 rangi quite handy
10:06 wizzyrea highfive!
10:06 wahanui gimmie six!
10:06 mtj ive sometimes though of a script to add missing 'copyright' lines to each file in koha...
10:07 rangi i think a human would be better a script to find any without a header tho would be good
10:07 rangi then a human could git blame it
10:07 rangi and decide
10:08 rangi
10:08 rangi have a play
10:08 rangi its fun
10:10 mtj yeah, that too… a script to add/update missing koha/gpl headers
10:12 mtj the added copyright lines on files like could be a bit erm… excessive
10:12 mtj (one of the reasons why i never got round to doing it)
10:19 rangi oh thats there already
10:19 rangi the gpl one
10:19 rangi and the fsf address
10:20 rangi look in xt/
10:20 mtj ah yep
10:21 mtj so, when you say 'without header' - you mean something else?
10:22 mtj without any copyright line(s)?
10:23 rangi yep, it should check that too
10:23 rangi it just needs to be updated to not baulk on gpl3
10:23 rangi find-license-problems
10:24 rangi $hasv2 = 1 if ($line =~ /either version 2/);
10:24 rangi that line
10:24 rangi to do /either version (2|3)/
10:24 rangi oughta do it
10:25 mtj … and the all important 'or later' bit, too :)
10:25 rangi thats already there
10:25 rangi $hasorlater = 1 if ($line =~ /any later version/ ||
10:25 rangi :)
10:27 mtj derp
10:28 wizzyrea hehe
10:31 rangi hmm i found some with bad FSF addresses
11:01 mtj heres a nice side-project idea...
11:01 mtj create some custom perlcritic policies for koha, based on the coding guidelines
11:01 mtj those ->[…]Coding_Guidelines
11:02 mtj then perlcritic could whizz thru the codebase, and find errors
11:02 mtj and detect new errors being added too
11:05 magnuse mtj: yeah, feel free to do that ;-)
11:05 mtj … would be very handy for spotting template and js bugs
11:06 mtj js syntax bugs that break translation, etc
11:07 mtj heres some perlcritic doco, for the curious ->[…]tic/DEVELOPER.pod
11:08 mtj no idea how tricky it is
11:11 magnuse only one way to find out :-)
11:11 mtj yeah -  i'm keen to try, at least
11:13 magnuse yay!
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11:40 drojf crossposting--
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11:40 vfernandes hi people :)
11:41 vfernandes can anyone help me? I'm having a problem when importing z39.50 records All arguments must be MARC::Field objects at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bi​n/cataloguing/ line 150.
11:43 vfernandes Koha 3.10.2
11:54 vfernandes solved: z3950NormalizeAuthor z3950AuthorAuthFields off .D
12:00 mtj vfernandes, still sounds like a bug tho :(
12:01 jcamins I think it's fixed in 3.10.4.
12:02 jcamins Bug 5333.
12:02 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Undefined value stops import from z39.50
12:07 mtj awesome :)
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12:23 jcamins mtj: isn't it a bit late for you?
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12:26 mtj ..zzzZZZ
12:26 mtj just about to head to bed, now
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12:34 oleonard The trouble with these New Zealanders setting birthday topics is you can never be sure what day they're talking about...
12:36 magnuse oleonard: jcamins was 28th, according to teh facebooks
12:37 magnuse jcamins: happy belated birthday!
12:37 oleonard Yes, happy belated birthday jcamins
12:38 jcamins Thanks.
12:38 * oleonard congratulates jcamins on being old enough to drink now, even if he doesn't want to
12:38 jcamins lol
12:38 * jcamins was the first person in all his friends to be allowed to legally drink... three days after my 18th birthday I went on a trip to a country with a drinking age of 18.
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12:39 magnuse sounds like it was carefully planned...
12:39 jcamins Hehe.
12:39 jcamins That was not part of my reasoning, actually.
12:41 magnuse yeah, right ;-)
12:41 tcohen morning magnuse jcamins
12:41 druthb o/
12:41 jcamins Ohhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! My eyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:41 * jcamins is looking at acq.
12:41 magnuse lol
12:41 * druthb blinks.
12:42 magnuse there be monsters
12:42 magnuse hiya tcohen
12:42 druthb glad you clarified, jcamins.  thought I'd startled you or something.
12:42 jcamins Hehe.
12:42 jcamins Well, that was a kind of pointy hand wave. You could've poked my eye out with that! :P
12:42 druthb :P
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12:44 oleonard Nothing like some acquisitions to get your Monday started right eh jcamins?
12:44 jcamins oleonard: something like that.
12:47 jcamins The horror, the horror.
12:49 magnuse patches are welcome ;-)
12:49 jcamins magnuse: why do you think I'm looking at it? :P
12:49 jcamins Certainly not for my health!
12:51 magnuse well, some people like to jump off cliffs with only a piece of fabric to keep them safe...
12:52 talljoy jcamins i'm happy to interrupt with a question about your favorite subject->authorities.
12:52 jcamins Oh, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
12:52 talljoy ol
12:52 jcamins talljoy: sure.
12:52 talljoy lol
12:52 jcamins Acq is not Plack-safe.
12:52 talljoy quick one.  is this a 'normal' error when running the linker:
12:52 jcamins I don't know how I ever tested anything.
12:53 jcamins talljoy: yes. I thought I had patched that, but I've definitely seen it before.
12:53 talljoy i'm reading it that there is just no link.  which is what i expected for all these newer bibs.
12:53 jcamins Right.
12:54 jcamins So, apparently I never understood what receiving items in acquisitions was supposed to do, because it doesn't work under Plack.
12:55 * jcamins narrowly talks himself out of filing a bug "receiving items causes Plack nosebleeds."
12:59 jcamins On the subject of which, I would just like to point out to everyone that y'all elected me to be the one to write the release notes.
13:07 magnuse guess we'll just have to live with it...
13:08 jcamins Or, if you want release notes that take the features they describe seriously, you could write parts yourself. :P
13:09 magnuse lolwhat?
13:09 jcamins magnuse: you've seen my bug reports.
13:09 jcamins You're going to get 40 pages of release notes written in the same style! Bwahahaha!
13:09 magnuse hehe
13:09 * magnuse starts to look forward to the release notes
13:10 vfernandes another question: OPAC and intranet XSLT, where should I put the files locally in the server?
13:11 jcamins vfernandes: I think in the same directory the default ones are in, but I'm actually not sure.
13:12 vfernandes and then put the name in the sysprefs?
13:12 jcamins That is my understanding.
13:13 vfernandes let me try it
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13:19 magnuse "put a path to define a xslt file" - i interpret that as saying that an absolute path should work
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13:22 druthb hi, libsysguy! :)
13:22 libsysguy heya Ruthie :)
13:22 libsysguy I made a newb mistake on friday
13:22 libsysguy well two really
13:22 druthb oh?
13:22 libsysguy but one is really costing me time today
13:22 druthb >.<
13:22 libsysguy yeah…i forgot to increment the counter in my script
13:23 druthb whoa!
13:23 libsysguy so I had close to a billion rows in a rel table this morning
13:23 libsysguy *sigh*
13:23 druthb lol
13:23 jcamins libsysguy: at least it wasn't running on a production server.
13:24 libsysguy true that
13:26 tcohen how does it read?: "Instance XX disabled. No action taken."
13:29 tcohen anyone please?
13:29 wahanui i heard anyone was free to organize one at any time :-)
13:29 jcamins tcohen: what?
13:30 tcohen "Instance XX disabled. No action taken."
13:30 tcohen sounds ok?
13:30 jcamins Oh!
13:30 jcamins Yes.
13:30 tcohen thx
13:30 jcamins I thought that was a question about what "it" currently said.
13:30 tcohen i have issues with my english heh
13:31 jcamins No, your question was perfectly idiomatic. I just didn't understand it. :)
13:32 tcohen :)
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13:42 huginn` GERMS!!!!
13:42 wahanui germs is
13:43 jcamins more marc?
13:43 jcamins let's add more work?
13:43 jcamins let's add more marc?
13:43 jcamins should we have more marc?
13:44 libsysguy this is turning into quite the haiku
13:44 jcamins lol
13:44 kf we shoudl use more marc
13:44 kf we should use more marc
13:44 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
13:45 libsysguy
13:46 druthb kf++ libsysguy++
13:49 libsysguy :D
13:51 jcamins @roll 3d6
13:51 huginn` jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes
13:51 jcamins @help
13:51 huginn` jcamins: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
13:51 jcamins @plugins
13:51 huginn` jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:51 jcamins @list plugins
13:51 huginn` jcamins: Error: 'plugins' is not a valid plugin.
13:51 jcamins @list
13:51 huginn` jcamins: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, Network, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, ReleaseDay, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
13:52 oleonard @help Factoids
13:52 huginn` oleonard: Error: There is no command "factoids".
13:52 jcamins @dice 3d6
13:52 huginn` jcamins: 3, 4, and 5
13:52 jcamins @dice 3d20
13:52 huginn` jcamins: 3, 11, and 15
13:52 kf let me roll them...
13:53 kf @dice 3d6
13:53 huginn` kf: 1, 1, and 5
13:55 vfernandes XSLTResultsDisplay for Staff client works?
13:55 kf @dice 3d8
13:55 huginn` kf: 2, 6, and 1
13:55 kf vfernandes: yes
13:55 vfernandes nice :)
13:59 druthb hm.
13:59 druthb @dice 1d9
13:59 huginn` druthb: 3
13:59 druthb Wondered if it'd let you do that.
14:00 jcamins @dice 1d1
14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice can't have fewer than 3 sides.
14:00 jcamins Heh.
14:00 druthb :P
14:00 jcamins @dice 1de
14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
14:00 jcamins That was in the form of sides!
14:00 jcamins Okay...
14:00 jcamins @dice 1dpi
14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
14:01 jcamins @dice 1dπ
14:01 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
14:01 druthb @dice 1d3.14
14:01 huginn` druthb: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
14:01 * jcamins feels cheated. No irrational dice.
14:02 druthb no?  Ever rolled a nine-sided die?  That'd be pretty wonky.
14:02 jcamins druthb: not quite as irrational as π.
14:03 * kf rolls eyes at the 2 of you
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14:10 * druthb rolls them back to kf.
14:10 kf heh
14:11 druthb can't have eyeballs rollin' around in here.  Wouldn't be prudent.
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14:17 jcamins oleonard: if a form does not have anything set in the action parameter, that means it submits to the current URL?
14:17 oleonard As far as I know that is what browsers do, I'm not sure that is in a spec somewhere
14:18 jcamins Thanks.
14:18 jcamins Probably we shouldn't rely on that behavior, even if it is in the spec, because it's hard to understand.
14:19 oleonard "The action and formaction content attributes, if specified, must have a value that is a valid non-empty URL potentially surrounded by spaces."
14:22 jcamins @quote get 123
14:22 wahanui
14:22 huginn` jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
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14:41 tcohen should koha-restart-zebra start instances that aren't already running?
14:41 tcohen maybe warn the user but start it anyway?
14:42 jcamins Yes, that's what init does.
14:42 tcohen ok. warn but start
14:42 tcohen thanks
14:42 oleonard Why do my language preferences list languages which I don't have installed?
14:42 tcohen because they are in the DB
14:42 jcamins oleonard: I don't know, but mine does that too on occasion.
14:43 jcamins I figured it was Plack, and ignored it.
14:43 oleonard They are languages which I have had installed in the past
14:44 gmcharlt fo@quote random
14:44 gmcharlt @quote random
14:44 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #207: "< eythian> It's OK, we can implement the RDA support in Perl 6." (added by chrisc at 12:00 AM, May 29, 2012)
14:44 gmcharlt *snicker*
14:45 tcohen heh
14:45 druthb @quote random
14:45 huginn` druthb: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009)
14:49 jcamins How much can be stored in a user's session?
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14:53 tcohen on IndexDB?
14:53 jcamins tcohen: no, with CGI::Session.
14:54 tcohen jcamins, 'daemon' aborts if it doesn't find a pid upon --restart
14:54 tcohen i'll do a --start in that case to sort it out
14:55 jcamins tcohen: makes sense.
14:56 * tcohen wonders if these koha-* scripts shouldn't be distro agnostic and available to tar.gz users
14:56 jcamins Thoughts on storing the current search in the session, and using that for paging on the staff side?
14:58 oleonard Paging on the detail page like in the OPAC?
14:58 jcamins Right.
14:59 jcamins Only preferably working.
14:59 oleonard Oh, how is it broken in the OPAC?
14:59 jcamins Several ways. It can't be translated, it requires Javascript, it only lets you page a certain distance, and if you have long titles, it breaks.
15:01 kf jcamins: how is it stored in opac? in the cookie itself?
15:01 oleonard I support having all those things fixed and having it available in the staff client!
15:01 jcamins kf: yeah.
15:01 kf jcamins: I thinks ession is preferrable
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15:02 jcamins Don't get me wrong, having it in the OPAC as it is is better than not having it at all, but if I'm going to talk to people about adding it on the staff side, I'd like to have it work better on the staff side.
15:02 kf next they will want it in opac
15:02 kf I like your plan ;)
15:02 jcamins :)
15:03 tcohen jcamins "Zebra appears to be stopped fro instance XX"?
15:03 kf for? :)
15:03 jcamins How about "Zebra does not appear to have been running for instance XX"?
15:03 kf tcohen++
15:04 oleonard jcamins: Why "to have been" instead of "to be" ?
15:04 jcamins oleonard: because by the time you read the message, it's been started.
15:04 oleonard Got it.
15:05 jcamins oleonard: do we use optgroups in Koha, or do we try to avoid them?
15:05 jcamins I'm contemplating using optgroups for budget periods.
15:05 oleonard I think the only issue with them in the past was with translation, and that problem has been resolved.
15:06 oleonard I know of several existing uses
15:06 jcamins Thanks.
15:10 jcamins kf: what would you think of using optgroups for budget periods?
15:14 kf i think I could like that
15:14 Joubu jcamins: I developed something like that for bug 5336 I think
15:14 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Acq history search
15:14 kf Joubu: do you think if matts_away is around this week?
15:15 Joubu kf: he is away today. He will come back tomorrow
15:15 kf ah ok
15:15 kf i was hoping he might have a chance to look at the inventory patch again
15:16 jcamins Joubu: unfortunately, I have a lot of empty optgroups when I apply that patch.
15:16 jcamins Actually, I just have a lot of empty budgets.
15:16 jcamins So never mind.
15:17 kf jcamins: wondering, how will lock and active fit in there?
15:18 jcamins kf: I did not plan on giving the option of selecting inactive or locked budgets.
15:18 kf so they won't show - all ok for me
15:19 jcamins If you are receiving items and want to bill them against an inactive budget, you're doing it wrong!
15:19 kf agreed :)
15:19 kf different for search in history
15:19 jcamins Ditto locked.
15:19 jcamins Agreed.
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15:41 Topic for #koha is now Happy birthday Jcamins
15:42 Joubu bye #koha
15:42 oleonard Bye Joubu
15:44 kf cait?
15:44 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
15:44 kf cait?
15:44 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
15:44 kf cait?
15:44 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary
15:44 kf aah.
15:45 druthb kf?
15:45 wahanui somebody said kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
15:45 druthb kf?
15:45 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
15:45 druthb heh
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15:51 oleonard Seems like the best way to configure client-side table sorting to exclude articles like "a," "an," and "the" is to add the strings to the configuration file
15:52 jcamins oleonard: ewwww.
15:52 oleonard ...rather than via a preference as I had originally thought
15:52 jcamins But, probably.
15:52 oleonard The main drawback to that is that translators will need to know *why* they have to translate a string like "a an the"
15:53 jcamins Right.
15:53 oleonard jcamins: We need a way to pass an arbitrary set of articles to the sorting function
15:53 kf gmcharlt++
15:53 oleonard A preference would work too but only for one language
15:53 jcamins oleonard: I'm not saying that's not the best way to do it, just that it's a shame that's the best way.
15:55 oleonard kf: As a translator, do you think there is a way to address this possible confusion?
16:02 kf reading back
16:03 kf oleonard: not sure really if the translator woudl pick it up at all
16:03 kf if it's noly a text file that is
16:03 jcamins kf: it's javascript, like: var articles = _("a an the");
16:03 oleonard Exactly
16:06 jcamins kf: I have a question.
16:07 jcamins If you are creating an order, and you have AcqCreateItems set to "when cataloging the record" but thenchange AcqCreateItems to "when receiving the order" before you've received the order, do you expect an item to be created when you receive the order or not?
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16:11 jcamins oleonard: is there a reason why the select for "Vendor:" is offset a bit when creating a basket?
16:11 * oleonard looks
16:11 reiveune bye
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16:12 gaetan_B bye !
16:13 oleonard jcamins: Looks to me like the selects for billing place and delivery place are offset from the rest
16:13 jcamins Oh, in that case, there should be &nbsp;s before them too, I guess.
16:13 oleonard None of them should have &nbsp;
16:13 jcamins Oh.
16:13 jcamins In that case none of them should have &nbsp;s.
16:13 * jcamins is very flexible on this matter.
16:14 jcamins Just wondering if there was a reason.
16:14 oleonard I don't know why the &nbsp; was added.
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16:19 jcamins oleonard: because non-breaking spaces are cool!
16:19 kf jcamins: have to leave - will look later
16:19 jcamins Okay.
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16:24 oleonard Are there languages which *don't* exclude articles from sorting? Besides languages without articles I suppose?
16:25 drojf oleonard: i think you have both in german. sorting with and without the article
16:26 oleonard Whenever I see sorting done on "the" in an English language system I assume it's because they didn't know how to exclude it and/or are lazy jerks.
16:26 jcamins oleonard: none come to mind. Lots of languages which don't have articles at the beginning of words, but those that have recognizable articles at the beginning of the word all ignore them for sorting in my experience.
16:26 * jcamins too.
16:28 jcamins oleonard: what would you think about making the invoices table on the parcels page default to sorting in reverse chronological order?
16:28 oleonard Makes sense to me.
16:28 jcamins Wait.
16:28 jcamins It's supposed to be.
16:28 jcamins That's in the code.
16:28 jcamins It just doesn't work.
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16:33 oleonard Bad date sort?
16:34 jcamins oleonard: not so much bad date sort as "trying to sort on a column that doesn't exist."
16:34 * jcamins blames copy-and-paste.
16:39 jcamins Okay...
16:39 jcamins now I'm confused.
16:40 jcamins wtf is that "Line" for?
16:42 oleonard ?
16:42 jcamins There's a column in that table with the heading "Line."
16:43 jcamins It is not ID, because it is always in ascending order.
16:43 oleonard I've seen the term "order line" used frequently, but I don't know what it means.
16:44 jcamins I always thought an "order line" was an order for a single item.
16:44 jcamins Huh.
16:44 jcamins The filter box on the side doesn't do anything.
16:45 jcamins Actually, it does.
16:45 jcamins You just can't change the number of results on a page.
16:57 oleonard Oh, you have to add "sign off" as the last step in your test plan?! That's where I've been going wrong!
16:57 jcamins oleonard: it amuses me.
16:57 * oleonard shouldn't talk, gets lots of generous signer-offers
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16:59 cait jcamins: _
17:00 cait wrong kezboard again
17:00 jcamins cait: If you are creating an order, and you have AcqCreateItems set to "when cataloging the record" but thenchange AcqCreateItems to "when receiving the order" before you've received the order, do you expect an item to be created when you receive the order or not?
17:01 cait hm
17:01 cait difficult
17:02 cait i think it would be nice if it worked that way i guess
17:02 cait but thats a candidate for an 123 thing... i might missing something here
17:03 cait hah i got the keyboard configured :)
17:03 druthb "When beetles fight these battles in a bottle with their paddles and the bottle's on a poodle and the poodle's eating noodles...they call this a muddle puddle tweetle poodle beetle noodle bottle paddle battle."
17:03 druthb If you can say that fast, you're ready to use acq.
17:04 jcamins Okay, I'll add an option four, "always obey current AcqCreateItems setting."
17:14 oleonard Re: Bug 10153, I'm proposing to hide *all* the patron search refine options instead of picking and choosing.
17:14 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10153 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Patron header search form is too wide
17:14 oleonard So by default show the text input, then click [+] to show more options (like search fields, type, library limit)
17:14 cait i like
17:14 oleonard Right now we show some and hide some
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17:30 jcamins This oyster bisque came out superb.
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17:32 jcamins So superb I think I want more.
17:39 cait cake?
17:39 wahanui hmmm... cake is a lie!
17:39 * druthb offers cait some cake.
17:40 cait icecream cake?
17:40 * druthb puts a scoop of ice cream next to the cake.
17:41 jcamins cait: oyster bisque.
17:41 cait hmm
17:41 cait that doesn't look right druthb
17:41 cait there has to be oreo crumble... and fudge icing
17:41 druthb hm.
17:41 druthb picky thing, aren't you?
17:41 cait well...
17:42 cait for it to be jared's icecream cake.. .but I will take your cake too
17:42 * druthb puts a couple of Oreos in the chopper, then pours the bits on top of the ice cream, followed by a drizzle of fudge.
17:42 cait :)
17:45 cait but... now what cake is that?
17:46 cait :P
17:46 cait okok
17:46 * cait will be good now and look into doing qa
17:54 jcamins Does anyone know how many patrons the "largest" Koha library has?
17:55 jcamins talljoy: you have some massive consortia. Any idea how many patrons the largest of those has?
17:55 talljoy one sec on phone
17:55 jcamins Sure.
17:55 jcamins Thanks.
18:00 talljoy sorry.  jcamins yah, off the top my head i'd say the largest consortium has 200-300K patrons
18:00 jcamins talljoy: thanks.
18:01 jcamins So it's probably safe for me to say "most Koha libraries have well under 500k patrons."
18:01 talljoy might even be higher, but i'd have to dig for that information
18:01 talljoy but yes, *most* are under 500K
18:02 jcamins Items are a bit more problematic to choose a reasonable upper barrier for, of course, as there are consortia out there with 50m+ items.
18:05 jcamins 500000 * 50000000
18:05 wahanui 25000000000000
18:05 jcamins Oh, wahanui doesn't do exponent notation.
18:05 * jcamins counts zeroes.
18:08 druthb 10e4 * 15
18:08 druthb …  apparently not.
18:08 tcohen 10^15
18:08 druthb 10**15
18:08 tcohen 10 :-P 15
18:08 druthb :P
18:08 rambutan 10^3 * 10^4
18:08 wahanui 16
18:09 maximep suuuuuuuuuure
18:09 druthb uhm...
18:09 rambutan 10^5 * 10^6
18:09 wahanui 62
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18:09 rambutan I'm trying to figure that out...
18:10 druthb 10^3 * 10^3
18:10 wahanui 23
18:10 druthb okay.  23 is a *prime number*.  no fair!
18:10 maximep o_O
18:11 druthb calc 10**3
18:11 druthb hm.  appears to not be using Supybot's plugin for that.
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18:22 druthb 10 ** 3
18:22 * druthb scritches her head.
18:23 druthb wahanui appears to be an Infobot, but doesn't seem to want to do that.
18:23 wahanui druthb: what?
18:23 * druthb pokes wahanui
18:23 druthb wahanui:  what is ten to the third power?
18:23 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, druthb
18:23 druthb wahanui: what is 10 percent of 15?
18:23 wahanui druthb: i don't know
18:23 druthb 10 percent of 15?
18:23 wahanui 1.5
18:23 druthb creeeeeepy.
18:24 druthb 10 to the third power?
18:24 * druthb goes "harrrumph!"
18:24 druthb square root of 4?
18:24 wahanui 2
18:24 druthb oho.
18:25 druthb square root of 2?
18:25 wahanui 1.4142135623731
18:25 druthb fair 'nuf.
18:25 druthb square root of -1?
18:25 druthb didn't think so.
18:25 * druthb was hoping for a smart-aleck remark, at least.
18:27 jcamins wahanui: square root of -1 is <reply> Don't get fresh with me!
18:27 wahanui OK, jcamins.
18:28 * druthb debates snapping jcamins with a rubber band.
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19:32 cait hm
19:32 cait cannot place on hold - no copies are available to be placed on hold
19:32 cait and I don't see why...
19:33 cait can someoen throw a few ideas at me?
19:33 jcamins cait: you've been spending too much time talking to me?
19:33 cait I checked circulation rules for that library, patron category itemtype combination
19:33 cait allowonshelfholds is set to allow
19:33 oleonard IndependantBranches?
19:34 cait login branch = item home branch
19:34 cait but I am checking it anyway
19:34 cait it's off
19:35 cait maxreserves is set to 50
19:35 cait it would be quite nice if we could figure that out.... trying to test that holdsqueue bug
19:36 cait and nothing in the logs :(
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19:44 cait oleonard: i suspect a bug there...but I can't put my finger on it
19:45 bgkriegel cait: are you trying to place a hold from opac results?
19:45 bgkriegel or details?
19:45 cait no, from staff
19:45 cait i have activated allosholdsoverride something now
19:45 bgkriegel same problem
19:45 cait but i think it shoould have been possible to place a hold without having to override it
19:45 cait for you?
19:46 bgkriegel I'm looking
19:47 bgkriegel a strange thing in opac, in search results there is a 'place hold', but in details page there isn't
19:47 cait I think the check on details might be stricter
19:47 cait but it feels like there is something seriously wrong here
19:47 bgkriegel could be
19:48 cait ... and my holds are not showing up in the holds_queue either :(
19:48 cait i forced a hold with the override
19:48 cait but it still doesn't work
19:49 bgkriegel we need mechanized tests...
19:50 cait yeah we do
19:50 cait so you got problems too?
19:51 cait i see nothing in the logs and the check causing the message has multiple conditions
19:51 bgkriegel yes, too, and yes, to many...
19:51 cait oh
19:51 cait i may have found it
19:51 cait the itemtype was set to notforloan
19:51 cait cross fingers
19:52 cait yep that did it
19:53 cait bgkriegel: we really need t refactor those checks
19:53 bgkriegel yeap
19:57 cait thx :)
19:59 rangi not without a full set of unit tests first
19:59 cait agreed
19:59 cait we might turn up some bugs tho if we got those unit tests
19:59 cait :)
19:59 cait good morning
19:59 rangi[…]no-not-like-that/
19:59 oleonard Hi rangi
19:59 rangi morning
20:00 cait rangi: i know :) it's just that I think we are not really consistently checking the same things every where right now
20:00 cait or at least i worry about it:)
20:00 cait i am not going to delete or change anything without unit tests *promises*
20:01 rangi good, cos thats how we got to this point :)
20:01 cait yeah, but I think we are on a good track to not make it worse
20:01 cait or atleast I am hoping
20:01 cait :)
20:02 cait so slowly wemight be able to clear up some of the older stuff
20:05 bgkriegel solved, in my case was one of the sysprefs. There are too many...
20:05 rangi no their arent
20:05 rangi there
20:05 bgkriegel ok :-)
20:06 bgkriegel to remember at last
20:06 rangi its a UI/UX problem, not the fact we have a lot
20:06 rangi its just they are not all grouped together nicely
20:06 rangi you should be able to switch on a group at once
20:06 rangi that would make them more managable
20:07 cait yeah, a more specific error message would do it
20:07 cait it ould have told me: not for loan
20:07 rangi id like profiles
20:07 bgkriegel and in my case a poor message, it said no copies available, no not allowed on unchecked items
20:07 rangi yeah
20:07 rangi poor errors is a real problem
20:08 bgkriegel some more boring (but important) things to fix
20:09 cait holds and boring? :)
20:09 cait insane... but boring? :)
20:09 bgkriegel :)
20:38 jcamins Fwoosh! <-- the sound of jcamins trying to get to a tour at the MoMA in an hour
20:39 cait hehe
20:39 cait almost like batman
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20:44 wizzyrea cait do you have a default rule?
20:44 wizzyrea on never mind it was not for loan
20:45 wizzyrea I'd like preference profiles too
20:45 wizzyrea and permissions profiles
20:45 wizzyrea also good morning
20:46 cait good morning wizzyrea
20:50 wizzyrea holds are always exciting ^.^
20:50 wizzyrea or at least, present the most interesting problems
20:54 cait yep
20:54 cait glad you see it that way ;)
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21:04 gcb I have an installation running the Debian-package version of Koha with several separate sites configured. After staging and importing batches of biblio records for individual sites, I discovered that no authority records had been created. Looking at everything online suggests that I create the marc authority records and use to import these.
21:05 gcb How do I ensure that the authorities are imported into the appropriate collection?
21:05 rangi yes
21:05 rangi create and import that authorities too?
21:05 rangi you need to do that using -a from the commandline
21:05 cait to my knowledge koha doesn't create authorities automatically if you do bulk import
21:06 rangi or are you wanting Koha to create authorities for you ?
21:06 cait rangi: I think you can use staged now for importing authorities - jcamins did it :)
21:06 cait in 3.10 I think
21:06 rangi cait: i think it will if you set biblioaddauthorities but you would have to test
21:07 cait i think only does it in catalouguing
21:07 cait but not entirely sure, a test woudl be good
21:07 gcb But how do I those into the collection for site1 versus site2 or site3? I don't see a switch to indicate the destination collection.
21:08 rangi gcb: how do you mean .. you have done a few koha-create right so you have a bunhc of different instances?
21:08 gcb Yes
21:09 rangi if you are running 3.10.x cait says you should be able to just import them in the web interface, so just do that for the site you want to
21:10 cait I think you stage the file and tell it if it is biliographic or authority
21:10 rangi if you want to do it on the commandline, you need to do it as the user and using the right config
21:10 rangi eg
21:10 rangi sudo -u corrections-koha PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/​corrections/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/migrati​on_tools/ -d -a --file koha_auth.marc
21:10 cait should be 3.10 I hope - I tested someting in that area yesterday in master, but most of the authority work went into 3.10
21:10 gcb I thought you could bulk import authorities from the gui?
21:11 rangi gcb: yes, cait says you can, in the koha staff side
21:11 rangi and you have a different staff site for each instance
21:11 rangi so just import them into the right one
21:11 gcb I'll give it a try from the gui, thanks.
21:12 rangi by gui you mean staff site eh?
21:15 gcb Yes. They were import just fine. Do they still need to be linked from the command line?
21:24 gcb Does /usr/share/koha/bin/ still need to be run?
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21:45 rangi @later tell cait bug 10128 is caused because the bad patch has only been reverted on 3.12 not on master
21:45 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:45 rangi gmcharlt might want to revert it on master too
21:46 rangi zomg
21:46 rangi im not even touching that email
21:47 rangi someone has to i guess
21:47 rangi its a massive FUD
21:49 gmcharlt rangi: which patch?
21:49 wahanui which patch are we talking about?
21:50 gmcharlt *sigh* does infobot have a mode where it won't automatically pick up EVERY assertion, just ones its explicitly told to remember?
21:51 rangi yep
21:51 rangi i think bug 6554
21:51 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates
21:51 rangi yep thats it
21:52 rangi you might want to check with jcamins of course
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22:18 mtj rangi, nah, just let it die...
22:19 rangi mtj: im just afraid someone will think koha can magically update your system without you doing something (which is patently untrue of course)
22:20 mtj god knows what hes done to his box, but its nothing we can help him with
22:20 eythian hi
22:20 wahanui privet, eythian
22:21 mtj but yeah, you do make an important point… :/
22:21 mtj hey eythian
22:21 wahanui eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.
22:23 gmcharlt @later tell jcamins would appreciate eyes on[…]w/bug6554_reverts to verify that it is consistent with what you reverted
22:23 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
22:23 gmcharlt @later tell cait NB[…]w/bug6554_reverts
22:23 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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22:42 bag afternoon all
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23:06 tcohen jcamins around?
23:07 tcohen ok, technical question #koha
23:08 tcohen tomatoes, onion, basil, salt, some sugar, black pepper
23:08 tcohen anything else for some spaghetti?
23:09 eythian doesn't matter, if it's in git you can always roll back and try something else.
23:09 tcohen heh
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23:20 rangi olives
23:21 tcohen olive oil for frying the onions could make it?
23:21 tcohen (olive-less today :( )
23:22 rangi that'd work :)
23:23 rangi i was going for Puttanesca
23:23 rangi
23:23 rangi it tastes better than the name translates to :-)
23:25 * dcook wishes he had the recipe for the fig and raspberry port crumble that his partner made last night...
23:25 tcohen hmm, I don't like capers, but overall it sounds great
23:26 rangi you could subsititue pepperdew or thinly sliced capsicum instead of capers i reckon
23:28 rangi bgkriegel++ #thanks for splitting out my patch and adding yours as a followup
23:29 rangi tcohen: do yo think you might make it to kohacon?
23:30 rangi dcook: ohh that sounds very nice
23:30 dcook 'twas delicious :)
23:30 tcohen i hope so rangi, i'm trying to contact the US embassy this week for the VISA
23:31 rangi i had an idea, stolen from
23:31 tcohen which idea?
23:31 rangi of doing a shared dinner one of the nights
23:31 tcohen that sounds perfect! heh
23:32 rangi it might not be feasible, at linuxconf people had the use of a kitchen
23:32 rangi but we might be able to at least do a shared afternoon tea or something with something from each of our countries :)
23:32 rangi or state
23:32 rangi in the USians case
23:33 rangi i hope your visa works out :)
23:33 tcohen i hope so
23:33 rangi for kohacon10 we wrote some letters of invitation for people
23:33 tcohen i'll do everything i can to make it this year
23:33 rangi to help with visas
23:33 rangi that might be an option if you need something like that
23:33 tcohen oh, maybe i'll ask if that could help on the embassy
23:33 rangi *nod*
23:34 tcohen right
23:34 tcohen ok, Mezzanine on my home theatre, heading to the kitchen
23:34 tcohen BBL, thanks rangi
23:36 rangi cya
23:38 * dcook really needs to remember to book flights and such..
23:44 dcook it all right if "" starts with "#!/bin/perl" rather than "#!/usr/bin/perl" >
23:45 dcook perl -c says the syntax is fine
23:47 rangi that will work sometimes :)
23:47 rangi id change it, just to keep it consistent
23:47 rangi (it wouldnt work on my debian install)
23:48 rangi zsh: no such file or directory: /bin/perl
23:49 dcook k, I'll do a bug report for it
23:50 dcook merci :)
23:52 jcamins ...
23:53 jcamins I don't even-!
23:53 dcook O_o
23:53 rangi the latest paul a email?
23:53 jcamins Yeah.
23:53 rangi its pretty special
23:53 jcamins It's so wrong, and so likely to be damaging it needs a response.
23:53 jcamins But...
23:54 jcamins wtf?
23:56 rangi yeah that's as far as i got

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