IRC log for #koha, 2013-04-28

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00:00 jcamins Yeah, but at least we know it happens.
00:01 tcohen hi rangi
00:03 rangi yep
00:03 rangi hi tcohen
00:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1154: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1154/
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00:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #110 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #110: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/110/
01:01 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10110: Problems with diacritics in saved SQL reports
01:01 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10110 Followup for
01:01 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 9684 : Correct path to compact.xsl
01:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10110 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Stable , Problems with diacritics in saved SQL reports
01:02 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9684 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Z39.50 Card View broken in CCSR
01:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #1155 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1152 22 hr ago)
01:52 Topic for #koha is now Happy birthday Jcamins
02:13 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
02:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1155: FIXED in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1155/
02:19 rangi yay!
03:19 jcamins rangi: any idea what one does with 紫菜 (zǐ cài)?
03:20 jcamins I wanted kombu, which is 海带 (no idea what the pinyin is), but since I don't know any Chinese at all, I ended up with the wrong one.
03:22 jcamins And then I just spent forty minutes trying to figure out what I had.
03:23 jcamins I think maybe I need to learn some basic Chinese letters.
03:23 jcamins /words
03:28 rangi hmm nope i dont im afraid
03:29 jcamins I'm not sure one does anything with it if one doesn't read Chinese.
03:29 rangi heh yeah
03:29 rangi sea weed eh?
03:30 jcamins Yeah.
03:30 jcamins A giant round blob of dried seaweed.
03:30 rangi[…]-with-pork-balls/
03:31 jcamins Ooh, it's the same kind!
03:31 rangi look somethign like the pack?
03:31 rangi :) google to the rescue
03:31 jcamins Apparently I was searching for the wrong thing.
03:32 rangi yeah it took a bit of poking round to find it
03:33 jcamins I think Shari may kill me if I make another variety of soup this week, though.
03:33 jcamins Fortunately it's dried so I can save it until she's forgotten that I already made 4 quarts.
03:33 rangi :-)
03:33 rangi i suspect soup is probably about the best use for it
03:35 jcamins We may never run out of soup and stock at this rate.
03:36 jcamins Four containers of beef stock, five containers (though several small) of chowder, and a 5lb yogurt container full of bisque.
03:36 rangi hehe
03:36 rangi if im in NYC in the apocolypse ill make my way to your house
03:37 jcamins lol
03:37 jcamins Probably a good plan.
03:37 jcamins I'll be desperately trying to find people to eat baked goods and -- apparently -- soup.
03:38 rangi hehe
03:48 rangi oh
03:48 rangi
03:49 rangi thats kept up to date by
03:49 rangi !jenkins status master_install
03:49 jenkins_koha master_install: last build: 16 (1 hr 35 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]aster_install/16/
03:49 rangi which kicks off after a succesful Koha_master build
03:49 rangi 04:08:56 + PERL5LIB=/mnt/disk2/jenkin​s/workspace/master_install
03:49 rangi 04:09:05 + perl installer/data/mysql/
03:49 rangi 04:09:37 Upgrade to done (Bug 2046 - increasing title column length for suggestions)
03:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2046 normal, P3, ---, kristina, Pushed to Stable , Suggestions: Title Field too small
03:49 rangi 04:09:37 Finished: SUCCESS
03:50 rangi too
03:50 rangi so the next job to configure is it to run some Mechanize tests against that
03:52 jcamins Nifty!
04:23 * rangi pokes at a rudimentary couple
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05:29 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]echanize_tests_t/
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06:53 cait good morning #koha
08:14 * magnuse waves
08:14 magnuse rangi++ for signing off normarc stuff
08:15 magnuse mechanize_tests++
08:15 rangi now master runs all the tests
08:15 rangi then builds the packages
08:15 rangi then upgrades a running koha, and runs some mechanize tests
08:15 magnuse i started to write one that would test the privacy and reading history stuff, but it's kinda hard to find the time...
08:16 rangi should be getting harder and harder to create regressions
08:16 magnuse yay!
08:18 magnuse rangi: are those mechanize tests in koha (yet)?
08:18 * magnuse loves to look at examples
08:19 rangi nope not in koha yet
08:19 rangi but here is an example
08:19 rangi[…]3540973;hb=master
08:20 magnuse cool
08:23 cait magnuse: german translations done!
08:23 magnuse yay!
08:23 cait
08:23 magnuse cait++
08:24 cait morning magnuse:)
08:24 magnuse was there less to do than earlier versions or have you just been translating like crazy?
08:24 magnuse hiya cait
08:24 cait magnuse: bit hard to tell becasue poedit counts differently
08:24 cait but it seemed not too much
08:24 cait nicole didn't change a lot of the help files
08:25 magnuse w00t!
08:25 * magnuse skips those anyway
08:26 magnuse oops, gotta go play
10:13 cait bgkriegel++ # bug 6709
10:13 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Passed QA , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated.
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11:30 libsysguy happy birthday jcamins!
11:30 cait heya libsysguy
11:30 wahanui libsysguy is koha's hottest developer or partying with Swedes on his deck
11:30 libsysguy heya cait
11:31 cait how's things?
11:31 libsysguy pretty good
11:32 libsysguy working like a slave on some old busted systems
11:32 libsysguy so pretty much the same actually :p jk jk
11:32 cait tsk
11:32 libsysguy how are things in these parts of the woods
11:32 cait :)
11:32 cait didn't you hear we rewrote Koha in Catalyst since you left? :P
11:33 cait joking
11:33 libsysguy id come back
11:33 libsysguy lol
11:33 jcamins lol
11:33 libsysguy actually I'm pretty excited, I met the guy who wrote dbix::class and is a major contributor to catalyst
11:34 libsysguy and catalyst is having a new release in june
11:36 cait :)
11:36 jcamins libsysguy, rangi: thanks!
11:38 libsysguy how is plack and nginx coming along?
11:38 cait Alles Gute zum Geburtstag Jared!
11:41 jcamins libsysguy: I found more things that don't function under Plack!
11:41 jcamins :P
11:41 libsysguy heh, well I can't say I didn't see that coming
11:41 libsysguy but I figured it'd be later
11:41 libsysguy like - after the announcement that we're plack compliant
11:41 libsysguy then people run it and hair catches on fire
11:42 jcamins That cat's out of the bag- Paul announced Plack compliance for 3.10.
11:42 libsysguy in other news, my cat just used the computer
11:43 jcamins She has things to do, people to talk to.
11:43 libsysguy maybe we should have looked at mod_perl compliance first :p
11:43 libsysguy jk thats a terrible idea ^^
11:43 libsysguy nobody run with that
11:43 libsysguy it was cute, she used the trackpad
11:43 jcamins libsysguy: actually, at least one vendor uses mod_perl.
11:43 libsysguy her paw is a two-finger swipe
11:44 libsysguy oh really?
11:44 libsysguy its not terrible, one step above CGI imo
11:44 libsysguy but plack is 15 steps above CGI
11:44 libsysguy lol
11:45 jcamins It doesn't really work.
11:45 jcamins So we might as well focus on Plack, which also doesn't work. :P
11:46 libsysguy better just do it in java then
11:47 jcamins Hehe.
11:47 libsysguy even the cat in my lap thought that was a bad idea
11:47 * cait thinks such an suggestion on the maling list is overdue
11:47 cait it's been long since someone sugggested rewriting it in java
11:49 libsysguy at least when I suggested re-writing it I stayed in the same language
11:49 libsysguy but if you'd like I'll still send an email to the list about java
11:49 cait ah don't bother
11:50 libsysguy :p
12:03 jcamins Myshkin is doing his morning "purr loudly and try to prevent me using the computer" routine.
12:04 cait he wants to spend time iwth you :)
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14:14 bgkriegel morning tcohen
14:14 tcohen morning
14:16 cait good morning my favourite koha developers from argentina :)
14:16 tcohen :-P
14:16 bgkriegel :)
14:16 bgkriegel hi cait
14:16 tcohen hi cait
14:17 jcamins I'm thinking about making strawberry pancakes.
14:17 cait :)
14:17 jcamins I'm also thinking of coming up with something more unusual.
14:17 cait put matcha in the dough to make the pancakes green? :P
14:17 jcamins Matcha... strawberry...
14:17 jcamins YES!!!!!
14:18 cait heh
14:18 tcohen morning jcamins
14:19 jcamins I have sencha!
14:19 cait didn't you say you bought matcha powder recently?
14:19 jcamins I bought powdered tea.
14:19 jcamins Or, rather, "green tea powder."
14:20 cait hmm
14:20 jcamins However, matcha is a much finer powder.
14:20 jcamins This is definitely sencha.
14:20 jcamins A high grade of sencha, perhaps, but definitely sencha.
14:20 jcamins :'(
14:20 jcamins Guess I'll make some tea.
14:20 cait ooh
14:21 cait it's time we got those teleporters
14:21 cait so I could just send you some of mine
14:21 cait ... and then got me invited to the breakfast :)
14:23 jcamins hehe.
14:24 tcohen cait, you could buy one of these and pick us all yesterday, so we celebrate jcamins birthday together[…]sh=item3cd131d206
14:25 cait tcohen: maybe we need to remodel it into a van then :)
14:25 cait or I would have to do lots of trips
14:25 tcohen i love driving, let me handle it
14:25 cait heh
14:25 tcohen happy birthday jcamins
14:25 cait that's good, I don't have a driver's license
14:25 jcamins tcohen: thanks.
14:28 bgkriegel o yes, Happy Birthday jcamins
14:32 jcamins Yes, the sencha is very fine indeed.
14:32 cait bgkriegel: you got a pm :)
14:33 jcamins Wow.
14:33 jcamins Mr. Troll is back.
14:35 cait don't be mean
14:35 jcamins Did you read his e-mail?
14:35 cait I did
14:36 jcamins I'm sorry, if you can't follow instructions and insist on sending frantic e-mails when you do something wrong, you'd damn well better not be blaming people who volunteer their time.
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14:45 drojf hi #koha
14:45 cait hi drojf :)
14:45 drojf happy birthday jcamins!
14:45 jcamins Thanks.
14:45 cait translations all done :)
14:45 jcamins Wow!
14:45 drojf cool!
14:45 cait was not so much
14:45 drojf cait++
14:45 jcamins cait: at least for now.
14:45 jcamins Maybe I'll push lots of strings before Wednesday. :P
14:45 cait hoped to do some testing with german installed today, but still wading through mails and patches :)
14:46 cait jcamins: you probably will, but it's still nice to get the help files out of the way
14:46 cait :)
14:48 jcamins Understandable.
14:48 wahanui Understandable. is why i was running it against a local copy
14:49 drojf we have surprise upgrades now? ;
14:49 drojf ;)
14:49 cait to keep things exciting :)
14:50 jcamins drojf: if you don't pay attention, yes.
14:51 * jcamins thinks of adding the sencha leaves anyway.
14:52 cait maybe try on half of the dough?
14:52 jcamins Bahaha!
14:52 jcamins Caution!
14:52 jcamins What's that?
14:52 wahanui i guess that is a good idea.
14:53 jcamins wahanui: probably.
14:53 wahanui jcamins: i'm not following you...
14:53 tcohen do we already ship ccsr-related po files?
14:53 jcamins tcohen: not until 3.12.
14:54 jcamins Okay, I see recipes that call for adding sencha tea leaves to batter.
14:54 cait jcamins: reassuring
14:55 jcamins But it calls for a lot more sencha than if you're using matcha.
14:55 jcamins Tablespoons instead of half teaspoons.
14:55 cait hm
14:55 cait I can imagine that
14:55 cait because it's not as finely powdered
14:55 jcamins Yep.
14:55 jcamins I shall make up a new recipe.
14:56 cait yay!
14:56 jcamins Actually, maybe I want green tea pancakes with strawberry syrup.
14:56 cait mmh
14:56 jcamins Since it's going to be more subtle green tea flavor, good to go with a more subtle strawberry flavor.
14:59 * cait nods in agreement
15:02 jcamins And I'd better add a small amount of coconut.
15:08 cait you are making me hungry again
15:12 jcamins I changed my mind.
15:12 jcamins I'm making green tea scones.
15:13 cait heh
15:14 cait will you actually make the food at some point? :)
15:14 jcamins Oh yeah.
15:14 jcamins I'm just waiting for the oven to preheat.
15:14 jcamins I'm using the same recipe...
15:14 cait :)
15:15 jcamins Oh, drat.
15:16 jcamins I nearly forgot to add the egg.
15:16 jcamins Fortunately, I didn't actually forget, just nearly forgot. :)
15:16 cait you nearly gave me a heart attack here ;)
15:18 * drojf wonders if baking with green tea is a thing outside of jcamins' kitchen
15:18 cait drojf: yep
15:18 drojf yes it it :)
15:19 drojf i did not know
15:20 cait drojf: i love green tea chocolate... but hard to come by
15:24 jcamins I decided to bake the scones in muffin tins.
15:25 cait :)
15:26 cait photos? :)
15:26 jcamins Uhhh...
15:26 jcamins we'll see what they look like, then I will consider.
15:27 cait ...k
15:27 cait hm maybe I don't want thm that much...yet
15:28 jcamins I'd rather make my own green tea candy.
15:28 cait yeah
15:28 cait I have to look into recipes
15:29 drojf diy++
15:29 drojf nestle--
15:31 bgkriegel Anyone know where to download a sample of UNIMARC records?
15:32 jcamins sample records?
15:32 jcamins records?
15:32 wahanui i think records is quite common
15:32 jcamins free records?
15:32 jcamins open records?
15:32 jcamins example records?
15:32 jcamins No.
15:32 bgkriegel some, to test some unimarc bugs
15:32 cait bgkriegel: hmm try the sandbox repo
15:32 cait and thx for trying those :)
15:32 bgkriegel ah, yes
15:32 cait there should be the sample database there - I have set up an installation with it
15:33 bgkriegel Could I export from the sanbox and use in my install?
15:33 cait hm that should work too i guess
15:34 bgkriegel ok, thanks
15:50 jcamins drojf: you could easily make those with rice flour.
15:51 drojf i should
15:52 jcamins Super easy, too.
15:53 * cait suggests more people moving to konstanz...
15:53 cait or inventing teleporters...
15:53 jcamins Combine appropriate proportions of flour, baking powder, sugar, salt, sencha leaves, coconut, butter, and green tea.
15:53 jcamins :P
15:54 * drojf deletes the question he was typing :)
15:55 jcamins And appropriate proportions are... ~1 c. flour, 2 Tbsp baking powder, 1 Tbsp (maybe?) sugar, 1/2 tsp (maybe?) salt, sencha leaves until it's flecked with green, 1 Tbsp coconut, 4 Tbsp butter, ~1 c. green tea.
15:56 jcamins Mix dry ingredients, cut in butter, add green tea.
15:56 jcamins Couldn't be easier.
15:56 jcamins Oh, and one egg.
15:57 drojf i've seen chestnut flour that i'd love to try. but its ~20x the price of wheat flour :(
15:58 jcamins Yikes.
15:58 jcamins That's why I suggested rice flour.
15:58 jcamins Only 2x.
15:58 cait gluten--
15:59 drojf i think i still have some rice flour. much more expensive here too though
16:02 jcamins Even more than 2x wheat?
16:04 drojf i think i paid more like 10x. it's not really common to use anything else than wheat over here. so you'll find it in organic markets.
16:05 cait have you tried asia stores?
16:05 cait i think it#s used in sweets too
16:05 cait so maybe you could find it there a bit cheaper
16:05 drojf yes. i don't remember if it was around the same or if i did not trust it to be gluten "clean"
16:06 jcamins It costs 10x at the grocery store.
16:06 drojf for some reason i did not buy it there
16:06 cait ok
16:06 jcamins Well, 6x-10x.
16:07 drojf i have to do an expedition to the huge asia store at some point anyway. i only got smaller ones here
16:13 * cait wants chocolate
16:15 jcamins I should do something to make my ice cream cake look fancy.
16:15 jcamins Suggestions?
16:15 jcamins Other than pickled ginger, which I've already dismissed.
16:17 cait how does the cake work?
16:17 cait i need more information
16:18 jcamins I make some sort of crust (traditionally crushed oreos), spread softened ice cream over it, put a thin layer of more crust, then a layer of hot fudge, then I put it in the freezer.
16:18 jcamins Because hot fudge melts ice cream.
16:18 cait mmmh
16:18 cait vanilla ice cream=
16:18 cait ?
16:19 jcamins Cookie dough ice cream, actually.
16:19 cait i would suggest matcha... but you forgot to buy that :)
16:19 cait ooooh
16:19 cait teleporters!!
16:19 jcamins I didn't *forget* to buy matcha.
16:19 jcamins I bought "green tea powder," not realizing that sencha is also translated as "green tea powder."
16:19 cait i think it sounds awesome as it is
16:19 jcamins Oh, yes, it will be very delicious.
16:20 jcamins And totally unnecessary, since we do have strawberry cheesecake brownies.
16:20 cait *sigh*
16:20 cait you are torturing me
16:20 jcamins But that's not really the point, when I bake.
16:20 jcamins ("necessary")
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17:09 bgkriegel done spanish translation. Now time to update po files
17:11 jcamins Don't rest on your laurels just yet. String freeze is several days away. :P
17:12 bgkriegel yeah, I know :(
17:13 cait :)
17:14 cait wonder if i will ever get that bug queue down to 15
17:14 cait it really always jumps back to 20... when i think i have got a small dent into it
17:14 magnuse cait++ for qa'ing normarc stuff!
17:15 cait magnuse: I was lazy there... I have to admit
17:15 magnuse jcamins: there is a nice, fat ++ waiting for you if you push it ;-)
17:15 cait but the changes look pretty safe :)
17:15 * magnuse hopes so
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17:25 smeagol This is an odd problem. Fines are not being assessed nightly for all patrons with items overdue. Some patrons are, and some patrons aren't. The ones who aren't being assessed fines by cron are getting fines assessed at checkin. Question: Shouldn't all patrons be assessed fines by cron AND upon checkin? This either or business is confusing..
17:26 cait smeagol: it sounds not quite right
17:26 smeagol Patrons are leaving the library thinking they owe no fines when they do. Their fines are being assessed upon checkin. Has anyone seen this problem?
17:26 cait all should get assessed by nightly I think - are you using hourly loans?
17:26 cait which version are you using?
17:27 smeagol
17:27 cait hm ok
17:27 smeagol We are not actively using hourly loans. Is this a syspref?
17:28 cait no it's in your circulation rules
17:28 cait we put in a bug a few days ago to make the recalculation be controlled by a pref too
17:28 cait but that would not help you right now.. hm.
17:28 cait if you look at the account - should the fines job have calculated those fines? I mean are they right or not?
17:29 smeagol Does the fine type, "fu" vs "f" have anything to do with how fines are calculated?
17:29 cait hm in theory fu is still accrueing and f is not
17:29 cait I think
17:29 cait or the other way around
17:30 smeagol Ok..some of these people have items checked out, and overdue, but fines are NOT accruing (by fines cron) and fine type is F
17:31 smeagol These people have their fines calculated upon checkin..
17:31 cait it's really hard to tell for me without being able to check out the accounts
17:32 smeagol But I'm not sure why one patron's fines are set to "F" and the other to "FU"..??
17:32 cait it could mean the book was returned in between
17:32 cait or renewed maybe
17:32 smeagol or renewed?
17:33 smeagol yes, maybe the problem is with renewals....
17:34 smeagol Will have to look into this. Just wondering if anyone had seen this before..
17:34 smeagol thanks
17:34 cait we are not actively using that versioon... so hard to tell
17:34 cait haven't seen any bug reports tho
17:35 smeagol ok, thanks for your help. every little bit helps.
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18:09 * magnuse hopes Bug 8300 can still make it into 3.12, even if it is marked as an enh
18:09 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should have mechanized testing suite
18:09 cait hm
18:09 cait jcamins: ?
18:09 jcamins Yep.
18:10 cait 8300?
18:10 jcamins I hadn't noticed that it passed.
18:10 cait i know rangi was working on tests last night, but not sure if those are related
18:10 cait looks like jonathan and marcel did some work on it
18:15 jcamins bug 9250
18:15 wahanui bug 9250 is, like, signed off and i did a followup for koha-common.xml. should it be "signed off" or "needs signoff", because of the followup
18:15 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
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18:19 magnuse jcamins: "yes please" to that one too
18:19 magnuse ;-)
18:19 jcamins magnuse: yeah, that's going in as well.
18:19 jcamins Hopefully also 10094.
18:20 magnuse bug 10094
18:20 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10094 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , koha-list should have an --disabled option
18:20 magnuse w00t!
18:23 * jcamins throws a party.
18:23 jcamins I managed to write data to IndexedDB.
18:23 jcamins Jeez but that standard is opaque.
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18:24 jcamins To put it mildly.
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19:11 rangi wth
19:11 rangi automatic upgrade
19:11 rangi heh
19:12 cait good morning rangi :)
19:13 rangi morning
19:13 rangi ahh and mathieu and manos talking about differetn things .. not the best day on the mailing lists, lucky i slept through it ;)
19:15 cait weekend :)
19:23 rangi oh 209 developers
19:25 rangi jcamins: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]echanize_tests_t/ added a few more tests
19:25 jcamins Nice!
19:26 rangi apparently TAP gets confused sorting
19:26 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]orrower_details/?
19:26 rangi easier to see
19:27 rangi gmcharlt: you might be interested too, means we can start accepting mechanize tests for new features
19:27 rangi and can get people building lots of them for the hackfest :)
19:35 rangi heh bug 10070
19:35 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10070 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , History of anonymous searches is not kept
19:36 rangi bug 6554 sure made a mess
19:36 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates
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19:40 jcamins It certainly did.
19:41 jcamins The bottom crust for the ice cream cake is way thicker than I planned.
19:42 cait crumble?
19:42 jcamins I haven't decided yet.
19:43 * rangi tests the koha-disable changes
19:49 trea mm.
19:49 rangi early morning trea
19:49 trea hi there
19:49 wahanui bidet, trea
19:50 trea uh, thanks i guess wahanui.
19:52 cait morning trea
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19:53 trea morning cait
20:14 wizzyrea hi
20:14 wahanui niihau, wizzyrea
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20:39 jcamins I have a problem.
20:39 jcamins The icing is not setting.
20:40 wizzyrea hm that is a prblem
20:41 jcamins Probably when I realized that the recipe my mother sent me was missing ingredients I should have called her rather than just guessing.
20:43 cait what did you make the icing with?
20:44 jcamins A great deal of enthusiasm and bad judgement?
20:44 cait lol
20:44 jcamins Milk, butter, salt, chocolate chips, cocoa powder, rice flour.
20:46 cait hm
20:47 jcamins I added more rice flour.
20:47 jcamins It's a little thicker.
20:49 rangi sounds like its missing icing sugar
20:49 wizzyrea ^^ corn starch might work too
20:49 wizzyrea since icing sugar is really just corn starch + fine sugar
20:49 rangi (powdered sugar in americanese)
20:50 jcamins Oh, right.
20:50 jcamins I also added sugar.
20:50 jcamins That was missing from the recipe.
20:50 rangi well here i think its just fine sugar
20:50 wizzyrea hm darn it now I have to look it up ^>^
20:51 jcamins wizzyrea: no, icing sugar is really fine sugar.
20:51 cait jcamins: i do my icing with lemon juice and powdered sugar
20:51 wizzyrea we're all right
20:51 jcamins cait: I'm making ice cream cake. It's supposed to be iced with hot fudge.
20:51 wizzyrea some has corn starch, some doesn't
20:51 wizzyrea but it's all called either powdered sugar or icing sugar
20:51 cait I know that you can add egg whites (beaten up?) to make it easier to work with
20:51 trea is the ice cream on the outside?
20:52 cait jcamins: so what't the icing for then?
20:52 jcamins It's actual hot fudge.
20:52 wizzyrea maybe the fudge is runny until it's on the ice cream
20:52 jcamins *actually
20:52 jcamins I called it "icing" because that's what I'm using it for.
20:52 jcamins wizzyrea: but my mother has to microwave it to get it soft enough to spread.
20:53 wizzyrea dunno then
20:53 jcamins Me either.
20:53 jcamins On the plus side, I have a ton of whatever it is.
20:53 rangi hehe
20:54 jcamins And it tastes good.
20:54 jcamins And it actually is thicking.
20:54 jcamins Gradually.
20:55 jcamins Oh, and the hot fudge goes on top, in answer to the question.
20:56 jcamins Thin layer of crust, thick layer of ice cream, thin layer of crumbs, hot fudge.
20:57 cait ok, I don't get where the other stuff you made fits in there
20:57 jcamins What other stuff?
20:57 wahanui well, other stuff is cool too
20:58 cait the icing stuff?
20:58 jcamins I haven't made anything else.
20:58 jcamins It's hot fudge, not icing.
20:58 jcamins I just called it icing.
20:58 cait ooh
20:58 jcamins Because that's how I'm using the hot fudge.
20:58 * magnuse would just like to add that powdered sugar is called "melis" in norwegian, before he wanders off to bed
20:58 cait puderzucker :)
20:59 cait and good night :)
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20:59 jcamins Okay...
20:59 wizzyrea puderzucker - makes perfect sense
20:59 jcamins egg white it is.
21:00 wizzyrea hm you said rice flour eh?
21:00 wizzyrea for teh glutenfree?
21:01 rangi so, what do people think of this idea
21:01 rangi
21:01 rangi make and old dir
21:01 rangi and put the old releases in that
21:02 rangi keep recent ones out
21:02 wizzyrea i like it
21:03 rangi anyone hate it?
21:07 drojf i think it's a good idea
21:07 drojf (sorry, no hate ;)
21:09 rangi there we go
21:10 jcamins I like it.
21:10 * jcamins emerges from his epic hot fudge battle covered in chocolate.
21:11 wizzyrea how did you manage that
21:12 jcamins I think it must have splashed.
21:12 drojf did you get some on the cake too? :)
21:12 jcamins Oh yes.
21:12 jcamins Lots on the cake.
21:12 jcamins Hopefully it will solidify, because it's going to be really hard to serve otherwise.
21:12 jcamins It's kind of full.
21:14 rangi
21:14 rangi try a shift refresh
21:14 rangi can you notice a difference?
21:14 jcamins No need for a shift-refresh.
21:14 jcamins Looks great!
21:15 * rangi aims to shift more ppl to the packages :)
21:16 jcamins An excellent aim.
21:16 liw mmm, packages
21:18 drojf great. i can't dismount a partition in truecrypt, because a process is using it. and that process is truecrypt. :/
21:26 jcamins drojf: change your working directory?
21:26 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
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21:30 drojf jcamins: it was the terminal but it was not obvious because i was logged into somewhere else via ssh. you get a message saying to use fuser or lsof to find out what process is using it and that only shows truecrypt itself ;)
21:31 jcamins Ah.
21:32 drojf looks like i repaired my raspberry pi \o/
21:33 trea how was it broken drojf?
21:35 drojf the sd card slot seems to be of bad quality. it got picky with some sd cards and in the end none worked. i had to glue a piece of plastic on top of it to press it into the slot
21:35 trea oh i see
21:35 drojf and it only took me 7834 attempts :D
21:36 drojf it also involved recovering the partition table of the card because that got lost in the process of finding the problem. no idea why that happend. seems alright again now
22:30 eythian hi
22:30 wahanui bidet, eythian
22:30 eythian t/hee
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22:40 wizzyrea did you add that?
22:40 wizzyrea it seems a popular greeting lately ?!
22:42 tcohen hi wizzyrea
22:42 eythian wizzyrea: I did, I was bored one day :) It's just as random as any of the others.
22:42 wizzyrea hehe
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23:14 * jcamins returns, the triumphant maker of sushi!
23:14 eythian ohh sushi.
23:14 * eythian starts thinking about lunch
23:34 cjh mmmmhhhhmmm sushi
23:36 tcohen looks great jcamins !!!
23:36 cjh jcamins: was that made with the seaweed from yesterday?
23:37 jcamins Yup.
23:37 cjh and it isn't soup!
23:37 jcamins Nope.
23:38 jcamins There's a lot left.
23:38 tcohen do u use wasabi too?
23:38 jcamins In fact, that was just one piece of a large blob.
23:38 jcamins Yup.
23:50 jcamins mtj: where were you thinking of putting sample MARC records?
23:50 mtj i hadnt got that far yet :)
23:50 mtj ./misc ?
23:51 mtj do you have a suggestion?
23:51 mtj or perhaps ./t/data ?
23:51 jcamins No, I was just going to point out that providing it as optional sample data in the installer would be a bad idea because people will check everything without reading.
23:52 jcamins What are you thinking the records would be for?
23:52 jcamins We already have MARC files in t.
23:53 jcamins What they're called, of course, is another question.
23:53 mtj aah, so we do?!
23:53 jcamins Somewhere.
23:53 jcamins One or more of the tests uses MARC data.
23:54 jcamins I don't remember which, but I do remember noticing that.
23:54 mtj ./t/db_dependent/Record/testrecords
23:55 mtj they are called .dat, rather than .marc or .mrc  (just to test you)
23:55 jcamins Bingo.
23:55 mtj oooh, tho…. no UNIMARC records in that dir
23:56 mtj so, thats a worthy bug
23:57 mtj i had to qa/test an import-marc patch a few days ago, and i got thinking...
23:58 mtj hmm, where are some marc records when you need them, for testing? :/
23:58 mtj hence, the bug :)
23:58 rangi on the wiki?
23:58 wahanui on the wiki is more information about the packages
23:58 rangi thats where id put them
23:59 rangi unless your bug includes stripping them back out of the tarball and the packages
23:59 rangi i dont see any point bundling them up for people
23:59 rangi[…]_sample_MARC_data

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