IRC log for #koha, 2013-04-30

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00:08 jcamins Right, I'm done.
00:08 jcamins That was a rather abrasive e-mail, but I don't see any way to not be abrasive.
00:11 mtj aah, i sent a reply 30 mins ago, but forgot to CC it to the list...
00:12 rangi replied to yours
00:12 tcohen jcamins, your mail is not abrasive, its a good response
00:13 rangi just clarifying again, that it is not an automatic upgrade
00:13 rangi its only an automatic page telling you you need to upgrade
00:13 rangi you have to click upgrade
00:14 rangi so between those 3 emails, hopefully that ends the misinformation campaign
00:14 rangi now someone will probably ask for automatic upgrades
00:14 rangi :-)
00:14 dcook Need a bot named murphy
00:15 mtj if you read very carefully, Paul reveals that he did upgrade his codebase to 3.8.10 - and  forgot
00:15 mtj hes pretty quiet about that cock-up
00:15 jcamins mtj: I'm sure I didn't see that comi-wait.
00:17 tcohen it was an uppercut jcamins
00:18 tcohen bye #koha, pasta time :-D
00:19 dcook jcamins++
00:19 dcook Very well worded
00:21 mtj hopefully those 3 replies will be the end of that very stupid thread
00:21 jcamins mtj: that's why I included the "I'll close this discussion..."
00:21 jcamins I am done with responding.
00:28 mtj heh , i just realised i typed the same thing as chris ^^
00:31 mtj also, the automatic redirection to the update page is a *feature*, not a bug
00:31 mtj its telling you that something very important needs to be done, on, your koha
00:37 rangi yeah
00:37 rangi the bug is clicking that without reading it :)
00:40 dcook Quick question about packages...
00:41 dcook You still need to install apache, mysql, and zebra before even trying the packages, yes?
00:41 dcook They'll find and install missing Perl dependencies though?
00:42 rangi only mysql
00:42 rangi they install zebra and apache
00:42 rangi but you might have your mysqlserver on a different machine
00:42 rangi so it doesnt install that by default
00:43 rangi ie in you koha-sites config file you can point to a db server anywhere
00:43 dcook Mmm, right. I've seen the instructions for that
00:43 dcook I'm just getting a cheap box that I'm going to be running everything on at home but that's very good to know :D
00:44 dcook Thanks, rangi :)
00:45 dcook I figure getting Koha running at home using packages will incentivize me to catalogue my home collection which will finally give me an excuse to unpack the study...
00:45 rangi :)
00:45 rangi buy a cheap barcode scanner
00:45 rangi from dicksmith
00:45 dcook O_O
00:45 rangi or the like
00:45 rangi it will save you a crap ton of time
00:45 dcook Good call
00:45 rangi if you can scan the isbn in
00:46 dcook I am an absurdly fast typist, but...the barcode scanner would certainly save my fingers and the keypad..
00:47 rangi and less likely to typo
00:47 dcook Mhm
00:47 dcook I was wondering how I was going to do the Z39.50 searches
00:47 dcook But this will certainly help
00:47 dcook will = would*
00:48 rangi i have some scripts that can fetch a bunch and make marc records
00:48 rangi so you can scan the isbn into a file
00:48 rangi then do them all in a batch
00:48 dcook I've pondered that a bit recently
00:48 dcook How do you select the record?
00:48 dcook Just the first result?
00:49 dcook Admittedly, it would probably be easier to do them as a batch and then edit the marc records as necessary after the fact
00:50 rangi yeah
00:50 rangi you have to be careful tho
00:51 rangi not to overwhelm the z3950 server
00:51 rangi voyagers one is super easy to do
00:51 rangi (LOC have yaz proxy out in front of their one to save it, but i popped the natlib of nz once)
00:52 dcook Eeep
00:52 dcook I suppose you could build in your own delay/timeout
00:53 rangi yeah thats what i had to do :)
00:54 dcook Hmm, do you have to subscribe to the natlib of nz?
00:56 mtj
00:58 dcook Thanks, mtj
00:58 dcook I was meaning for z39.50 though
00:58 dcook[…]ion%20Information
00:58 dcook "The National Bibliographic database is available to Te Puna subscribers via Z39.50"
01:02 mtj aah, ok
01:03 mtj there is some public z39, i think…
01:06 mtj Address:
01:06 mtj Port: 7190
01:06 mtj Database Name: voyager
01:06 mtj ok, without a user/pwd
01:09 dcook Sweet :D
01:09 dcook thanks, mtj :)
01:15 mtj hmmm, looks like z39 settings for tepuna are marc8, not utf
01:15 jcamins Move over, Jiro, jcamins has started making sushi!
01:15 jcamins Really, really good sushi, too.
01:19 dcook :D
01:19 jcamins dcook: I need Edmund's name and e-mail address so I can give him credit for that patch. I'm going to amend it to make him the author.
01:19 dcook rangi: Perhaps instead of a community kitchen at Kohacon, we should all just group together and have Jared cook for everyone :p
01:19 jcamins lol
01:19 * jcamins would do it, too!
01:19 dcook !!!
01:19 jcamins When I was in Morocco I made Thanksgiving dinner for 25 people.
01:19 jcamins Only ten showed up.
01:19 dcook jcamins: That thought crossed my mind last night on the bus. I'll send it on over.
01:19 jcamins Thanks.
01:20 wizzyrea what kind of sushi?
01:21 jcamins wizzyrea: just California roll and Philadelphia roll.
01:21 wizzyrea ah cool yum
01:21 jcamins But a really, really good California roll and Philadelphia roll.
01:21 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, by the way, I got the answer on the issue with the hot fudge.
01:22 wizzyrea oh yea?
01:22 wahanui yea is better to not get attached to a specific koha version >.>
01:22 jcamins Yeah, it should have been 12 *ounces* of chocolate chips, not twelve pieces.
01:22 wizzyrea ohh
01:22 wizzyrea forget yea
01:22 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot yea
01:22 jcamins However, since most recipes call for 1 oz of chocolate (i.e. ~20 pieces) and cocoa powder + sugar + cornstarch, it didn't occur to me to make that correction.
01:23 wizzyrea sugar + cornstarch = many types of powdered or icing sugar
01:23 wizzyrea but not all!
01:23 wahanui not all are active in the community now
01:23 wizzyrea forget not all
01:23 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot not all
01:23 jcamins Hehe.
01:23 jcamins Personally, I like wahanui's interjections.
01:23 wizzyrea heh
01:24 wizzyrea i like them when they're apropos
01:24 wizzyrea sometimes they're just weird.
01:24 jcamins I especially like the weird ones.
01:24 mtj yeah, me too ^^
01:24 jcamins They make me giggle, and that's important when I'm RM.
01:24 jcamins :P
01:24 wizzyrea hah
01:25 mtj thats were all teh magic happenzz
01:26 * mtj tickles wahanui's tummy
01:26 dcook hehe
01:28 * dcook really wants sushi now...
01:28 jcamins dcook: it was amazing.
01:28 jcamins And it took about twenty minutes to make.
01:29 jcamins Well, plus the rice.
01:29 dcook Yeah, I used to make quite a bit of sushi with the ex. Always a good time.
01:29 * dcook personally quite enjoys S&M rolls
01:29 dcook salmon and mango
01:29 jcamins Oh, sure, just upstage me and burst my bubble about being the first person I know who has made sushi. :P
01:30 dcook The Eatery in Vancouver, while over-priced and ridiculously over-hyped, does have interesting names and tasty foods
01:30 dcook hehe
01:30 jcamins Hehe.
01:30 dcook It is rather rare!
01:30 dcook I wouldn't have done it if she hadn't thought of it
01:31 wizzyrea I made sushi in college, and off and on through my 20's :P
01:31 wizzyrea sorry...
01:31 dcook Sushi in Kansas?
01:31 * dcook hadn't even heard of sushi in Saskatchewan until he was 19
01:31 wizzyrea yap.
01:31 wizzyrea lawrence is a cool town :)
01:32 dcook Over 88,000 more people than my home town...that might be why as well...
01:32 dcook That's cool, wizzyrea!
01:32 * dcook tries to remember his brief time in Kansas
01:32 dcook It was a lot like Saskatchewan. Flat. Lots of wheat. Roads.
01:33 dcook Road signs.
01:33 wizzyrea electric poles.
01:33 dcook Mmm, my favourite
01:33 wizzyrea lawrence area is hilly-ish
01:33 wizzyrea more like mounds.
01:33 wizzyrea gently rolling mounds.
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01:33 * jcamins scratches his head... what?
01:33 jcamins Are they like... giant Van de Graaf generators? :P
01:33 wizzyrea hehe naw
01:33 wizzyrea telephone poles maybe?
01:34 wizzyrea you're right, they do bury the electric lines now
01:34 wizzyrea and telephone too but
01:34 wizzyrea in rural kansas
01:34 wizzyrea there are a lot of poles with wires strung along them
01:34 jcamins I know what they are, but I can't remember the last time I saw one.
01:34 wizzyrea[…]-at-sunset-ks.jpg
01:35 dcook That photo describes my youth
01:35 wizzyrea[…]lephone-poles.jpg
01:35 dcook Pretty :)
01:35 dcook Hmm
01:35 dcook Where's that photo when you need it..
01:35 wizzyrea[…]7c4082bf6ded075dc
01:36 wizzyrea this one is actually from the lawrence paper
01:36 jcamins I remember finding it weird when I first encountered buried wire (well, I didn't encounter the wire, just the lack of poles), but now it seems perfectly natural.
01:36 wizzyrea you can tell by the "worldonline.clients.ellingtoncms
01:36 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, that definitely communicates the source well. :)
01:36 dcook Blah, this isn't the right size, but...[…]geeks-170x126.jpg
01:36 wizzyrea it does if you worked there/
01:36 wizzyrea haha
01:37 jcamins Hehe.
01:37 wizzyrea jcamins: :)
01:37 dcook I usually caption that as "Winter in Saskatchewan"
01:37 wizzyrea kekkeke
01:40 wizzyrea right, really ought to eat something before I eat my own arm.
01:41 jcamins wizzyrea: sushi!
01:41 wizzyrea i like where your head is at.
01:41 wizzyrea sushi is easy and relatively cheap near here.
01:42 jcamins wizzyrea: wait... you were able to get nori in Lawrence?
01:42 jcamins It seemed unusual to me when I found it in New York!
01:43 dcook Used to be able to find nori at most grocery stores in the cities in SK
01:44 dcook At least in recent years
01:49 cjh I haven't made sushi in years, need to give it a go again.
01:53 * jcamins makes a note that #koha is not the place to find people to be impressed by his sushi making.
02:01 eythian many of us here at this time of day are totally surrounded by fish. We get calamari just washing up on the beaches, for example.
02:01 jcamins lol
02:01 jcamins So...
02:02 jcamins definitely not the place.
02:02 dcook lol
02:03 dcook Oooh. There is a good sushi place just down the street that I forgot about until now...
02:05 dcook jcamins: If you come up with some awesome vegan sushi recipes, I'll be very impressed
02:06 jcamins dcook: avocado sushi.
02:06 jcamins Mango sushi.
02:06 dcook My sushi going is definitely these days now that I'm partnered up with someone that doesn't consume animal products
02:06 dcook I do like avocado sushi.
02:06 dcook Mango sushi on its own...hmm
02:06 jcamins Apparently sauteed mushrooms are traditional.
02:06 dcook Oooh
02:06 dcook Yeah, I haven't had mushroom sushi in ages
02:07 jcamins Pickled Japanese eggplant.
02:07 jcamins Spinach marinated in something I've forgotten.
02:09 dcook :D
02:10 wizzyrea probably rice wine and soy sauce
02:10 * jcamins contemplates.
02:10 jcamins If you're doing offline circ, what information do you need?
02:10 jcamins In terms of fines.
02:10 wizzyrea erm
02:11 wizzyrea the first question?
02:11 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
02:11 jcamins Explain *exactly* what offline circ should do.
02:12 jcamins Ah- and take screenshots of it.
02:12 wizzyrea I think you cannot do much with fines
02:12 wizzyrea offline
02:12 jcamins That was my thought.
02:12 wizzyrea are you wanting to do stuff with fines?
02:12 wizzyrea and if so, what?
02:13 jcamins Me?
02:13 wahanui you are brilliant
02:13 dcook hehe
02:13 jcamins I generally try and persuade my libraries not to charge fines.
02:13 wizzyrea whoever is asking about it
02:13 jcamins My question was specifically whether _you_ (whoever is around) wanted to do stuff with fines.
02:14 jcamins While offline.
02:14 jcamins I think total fines is all the information that is needed.
02:14 jcamins So someone can make a payment.
02:14 bgkriegel sorry, another question not about food. It's possible to borrow more than one item of the same record to a patron?
02:14 jcamins bgkriegel: yes, unless you change a syspref (which I have forgotten the name of) in order to disable it.
02:15 bgkriegel oh, I'll check
02:15 jcamins wizzyrea: <-- picture of offline circ concept
02:16 jcamins And the details tab is a candidate for removal.
02:16 wizzyrea I think it's better to not do anything with fines
02:17 jcamins Hmmm... thinking about when my college library went offline, I think we were able to collect fines, but did not know what the patron's balance was.
02:17 jcamins Because it could be out of sync, and that would be bad.
02:17 * wizzyrea suggests using a bit of paper
02:18 wizzyrea but I guess if you want to do that
02:18 wizzyrea you should collect the borrowernumber, and the amount paid
02:18 jcamins Right.
02:18 wizzyrea (but I think that is just as well kept in something like a spreadsheet.
02:18 wizzyrea )
02:19 jcamins In this case, the reason for offline circ is a bookmobile with no internet connectivity, and they don't really want to do everything by hand.
02:20 bgkriegel good night
02:20 wahanui I watch you sleep.
02:21 wizzyrea I guess you could add to the patron dump their current fines.
02:21 wizzyrea but that will be wayyyy out of date.
02:21 wizzyrea but if they ONLY ever pay their fines to the book mobile
02:21 jcamins Well, not so way out of date.
02:21 wizzyrea it could be alright
02:21 wizzyrea well way out of date as often as you generate the patron file
02:22 jcamins It would be current up until the bookmobile leaves the library.
02:22 wizzyrea if that's when you generate the borrower file
02:22 jcamins This is HTML5.
02:22 jcamins So you don't have to do a big generation step.
02:22 wizzyrea then it's not offline circ?
02:22 wizzyrea I don't follow.
02:22 jcamins HTML5 has support for using web pages offline, and storing data in a database in the web browser.
02:23 jcamins Because I am using that, you can hook the laptop up to your library network, catch up to the current situation, then disconnect, go do your bookmobile thing, come back, and upload the results.
02:23 jcamins So syncing won't be as far off as with a file-based sync.
02:24 jcamins It'll be out of date, but not _way_ out of date.
02:24 rangi you could easily fit all the info you need about a borrower, even if there were a zillion of them in indexdb
02:24 jcamins Oh, I know.
02:25 rangi cardnumber, category etc
02:25 rangi same with items
02:25 jcamins The issue is more like "what information do I want to show on my screenshot." :P
02:25 rangi you really only need the barcode, and the itemtype
02:25 rangi yeah
02:25 rangi exactly
02:26 jcamins Sorry, I guess I should have clarified that the question was more about what you want to be seeing as someone using an off-line circ system.
02:26 rangi ah
02:26 rangi be nice to have borrowers name
02:27 rangi and maybe
02:27 wizzyrea
02:27 wizzyrea this is what he's got so far
02:27 wizzyrea or some variant of it
02:27 rangi as of 29/2/2013 12:43 this borrower owed $20
02:27 eythian[…]ee-one-year-later
02:28 rangi or at least the reason that an issue should fail
02:28 rangi yeah thats good id just timestamp it with the time you last synced
02:29 jcamins Oh, good idea.
02:40 jcamins Offline circ home: ; checkout screen: ; checkin screen:
02:42 jcamins Eventually the goal would be to have the actual circ pages support offline mode, but I figure a good start is using appcache FALLBACK.
02:42 wizzyrea how long would a sync take/
02:42 rangi yeah sounds good
02:42 jcamins wizzyrea: which direction?
02:43 wizzyrea let's start with down
02:43 wizzyrea to the browser.
02:43 jcamins I'm not positive, but ~5k records/sec.
02:43 jcamins On my slow VM.
02:44 wizzyrea back would be much faster
02:44 jcamins Yeah.
02:44 wizzyrea you only send what's changed?
02:44 jcamins That's my initial plan, though if I find it's faster to do a complete reload, I'll do that.
02:45 jcamins For performance testing, I'll need to use different CPUs for the server and browser.
02:46 jcamins It seems probable there might be some performance issues if they're contesting a single, now-outdated CPU. :)
02:46 wizzyrea records = borrowers or...
02:46 wizzyrea sorry so many questions
02:46 jcamins Any type of record. It's not actually implemented.
02:46 wizzyrea trying to wrap my head around it.
02:46 wizzyrea ah
02:47 jcamins I just tested sending several thousand objects, said "wow, that's fast," and declared it was a good idea. :P
02:47 jcamins There's some disagreement about whether you start seeing performance issues when you get into the millions, but I didn't get try that yet.
02:48 wizzyrea that's not over the internet though?
02:48 jcamins No.
02:48 jcamins Data transfer speeds will naturally have an impact.
02:49 jcamins But not as much as I was worried the actual IndexedDB wouuld have.
02:49 jcamins *would
02:49 rangi its not transferring much data tho is it .. we arent moving marc records or anything eh?
02:50 jcamins No.
02:50 jcamins Incredibly small amounts of data.
02:50 wizzyrea just borrowers?
02:50 wizzyrea and a bit of fines?
02:50 jcamins Borrowers and their basic information, item barcode/title/item type/branch, and... that's it, actually.
02:50 jcamins At least, that's it in my proposal.
02:51 jcamins And I think I might arbitrarily cut the titles at a relatively short number of characters for display purposes anyway.
02:53 jcamins That's not for data size concerns, though. It's because long titles are a problem on my phone.
02:54 rangi yah
03:10 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt I confirm that you reverted the same patches I did.
03:10 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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03:31 mtj hmm, i reckon ive spotted a bug with the inventory/stocktake thingy...
03:37 eythian don't you just hate it when people don't
03:46 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "rangi: JS for loading a record on the client side (but note you have to copy all the templates in MARC21slimUtils.xsl into MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl)" (42 lines) at
03:47 jcamins Good night, #koha.
03:53 dcook night, jcamins
03:53 rangi cya jcamins
03:54 rangi and very cool
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04:39 cait goodmorning koha
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05:05 eythian hi cait
05:05 cait hi eythian :)
05:17 * dcook waves to cait
05:17 * cait waves back
05:22 * dcook has committed more than 40 local patches today...
05:22 dcook I think Vim is becoming a part of me
05:22 dcook Or I of it
05:22 cait heh
05:22 cait busy
05:23 dcook Yeah, it's quite exciting
05:23 dcook I decided to finally knuckle down and try to get as many of our local customizations into git as possible
05:23 dcook Once they're all in there, I'll start cherrypicking some over to master :D
05:23 cait that sounds a reasonable thing to do
05:23 cait where have they been residing before?
05:24 dcook In the past, development was done directly to a test install
05:24 dcook Then deployed from there
05:24 dcook With no history
05:24 dcook Which made it excrutiating to try to send patches back to the community
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05:31 drojf good morning #koha
05:32 cait dcook: ouch
05:32 cait dcook: I would say your time today was well spent
05:32 cait good morning drojf
05:32 dcook morning drojf
05:33 dcook cait: I agree ^_^
05:33 drojf so you had fun on the mailing list tonight? :D
05:33 drojf hi cait and dcook
05:33 cait I was sleeping
05:37 * dcook is down to about only 9 files left containing relatively undocumented customizations...
05:37 cait comments? documentation? :)
05:37 dcook I can't remember if it was 50-80 this morning...
05:37 cait jupp
05:37 dcook When I'm lucky, there are some comments ;)
05:38 dcook I'm using a merge program that highlights all differences though, so that's nice
05:38 dcook Without would be an unenviable task
05:38 dcook Not that I think anyone is jealous of this task...:p
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06:02 eythian that git talk reminds me
06:02 eythian wahanui: wizzyrea is also a fan of selecting hunks for committing.
06:02 wahanui okay, eythian.
06:02 eythian (this came up during a git course)
06:03 cait hunks?
06:03 eythian it's a git thing, part of a patch
06:04 eythian but it's also a term for an attractive man
06:04 eythian she started laughing about it during the course.
06:04 cait heh
06:05 dcook hehe
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06:30 * magnuse waves
06:30 * cait waves back
06:32 magnuse :-)
06:35 drojf hi magnuse
06:36 cait hi matts
06:37 matts hi !
06:38 magnuse moin drojf
06:38 magnuse bonjour matts
06:38 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:38 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
06:38 magnuse nice!
06:38 cait @wunder strasbourg
06:38 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Strasbourg, France is 10.1°C (8:32 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
06:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
06:38 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 10.4°C (8:12 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:38 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:38 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.6°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
06:38 magnuse @wunder boo
06:38 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
06:38 cait i 'win' :(
06:38 cait oh no magnuse does
06:38 drojf poor cait
06:38 eythian @wunder nzwn
06:38 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
06:38 * eythian wins
06:39 drojf the colder it is now the more it can increase during the day… or something ;)
06:39 magnuse it feels like spring, though!
06:41 drojf magnuse: that's the spirit ;)
06:42 magnuse :-)
06:42 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:42 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:43 dcook It's been rather warm this year, especially the past few days
06:43 dcook I was sweating at home last night. It felt like summer!
06:43 dcook Last week, we had every blank we own on the bed at night. Australia has such a weird climate sometimes...
06:45 cait feels like spring here too - hay fever
06:45 drojf that's how you grow those weird spiders :P
06:45 dcook hehe
06:45 dcook We do have an awful lot of them. I'm constantly walking into spider webs...
06:45 alex_a bonjour
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06:45 dcook So far no deadly bites ;)
06:45 dcook bonjour alex_a, reivune
06:45 reiveune hello
06:45 wahanui hello, reiveune
06:46 cait dcook: lol
06:46 cait brb :)
06:47 alex_a hello dcook cait
06:51 dcook Only 9 files with local changes left for me to put into the git...
06:53 rangi then make whoever made changes without using versions buy a zillion beers for being crazy?
06:54 * dcook likes this idea
06:54 dcook I'm very glad that I find my way to #koha and became (more) enlightened
06:55 dcook Also glad that I was able to convince the powers that there was no way we weren't using Git going forward :D
06:55 * dcook ordered his new experiment box last night
06:55 dcook Can't wait for it to arrive so I can finally try out the Debian packages!
06:56 dcook Next step might be moving from OpenSuse to Debian...although that's a much more dramatic change than switching from versionless to versioned development..
06:59 dcook BibLibre++
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07:02 christophe_c hello #koha
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07:07 dcook allo christophe_c
07:07 dcook et asaurat :)
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07:09 asaurat hi!
07:09 christophe_c hi dcook
07:21 magnuse dcook++
07:21 Joubu hi #koha
07:22 dcook hi Joubu
07:22 dcook hey magnuse :)
07:22 dcook Very excited for the box and for the progress here at Prosentient
07:22 magnuse yay!
07:22 dcook I actually feel like I might be able to tackle all the issues!
07:23 magnuse w00t!
07:23 dcook :)
07:24 magnuse you could also test the packages in e.g. virtualbox?
07:24 dcook Hmm, that's true
07:24 dcook But the only machine I have at home is a little netbook
07:24 dcook Which is...
07:24 dcook Well, I've already set up Debian and git on it
07:24 dcook It's pretty slow
07:24 magnuse ah
07:24 magnuse yeah, that is no fun
07:24 dcook Only 1gb of ram that it needs to split between virtualbox and windows
07:25 dcook I should upgrade to 2gb at some point..
07:25 dcook The processor is pretty slow too
07:25 dcook This new one a 2.6ghz processor and 4gb of ram if I recall correctly...should be more than enough
07:26 dcook I really want to try installing Koha on a raspberry pi at some point though
07:26 dcook drojf: Did you do the instructions for that?
07:26 * magnuse wants to try that too
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07:27 huginn` GERMS!!!!
07:27 wahanui i think germs is
07:27 dcook wb kf
07:27 kf hello :)
07:28 dcook All right. I had best be off for the night
07:28 dcook Take care :)
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07:28 gaetan_B hello
07:31 magnuse hiya gaetan_B
07:31 magnuse ...and kf
07:31 kf :)
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07:32 gaetan_B :) too
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08:02 drojf @later tell dcook i did (the koha on a raspi instructions), but they are outdated. it should be easier to do now, the raspian distribution takes care of a lot of things i had to do manually. and you have overclocking and more ram now, plus you have to share less ram with the gpu :)
08:02 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
08:04 drojf that brings me to the question: what is the status of plack going to be in 3.12?
08:09 magnuse searching for plack in bz, there are 3 blockers and 2 criticals that are new or in discussion...
08:10 magnuse probably a question for jcamins, though
08:12 drojf yeah there is a lot in bz
08:19 drojf are we going to have packages for squeeze and wheezy?
08:19 drojf i think it is supposed to come out next weekend? (wheezy that is)
08:21 magnuse it will probably need some testing on wheezy?
08:22 drojf not sure if it makes a difference at all for the package. i think master is missing a dependency in wheezy though
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08:27 magnuse drojf: i'm not sure either, just thinking that there might be newer versions of a lot of the packages we depend on...
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09:12 gaetan_B is there a reason why we have a "notes" field both in biblio and biblioitems ? the one in biblioitems is not mapped by default it seems.
09:21 * magnuse would guess there are historical reasons for it...
09:24 drojf we should have classes in koha history and koha archeology
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09:36 gaetan_B ok so i can reuse this safely for something else i guess :)
09:40 magnuse gaetan_B: maybe check with paul_p?
09:40 gaetan_B magnuse: i don't know, it's for a marc21 install
09:41 gaetan_B i need to have the language of the document at hand in the database for reports
09:41 gaetan_B (it's for the Kurds !)
09:41 gaetan_B by the way
09:41 magnuse ah. i thought maybe paul_p would know if there is some reason not to use it...
09:42 gaetan_B in a plain marc21 install, 041$a is not linked to any authorised value, but the field is supposed to hold a language code, is it the same standard as the one used in unimarc ? or is it not standardised ?
09:46 drojf gaetan_B: don't know what you use in unimarc
09:46 drojf gaetan_B: you can use others too, there is another subfield to specify the source (might be $2, not sure)
09:47 drojf gaetan_B: yes, it's $2, see also
09:47 drojf the standard codes are basically iso-639-2 with some differences
09:48 gaetan_B ok so that would be why koha doesn't enforce one at install
09:48 gaetan_B yes we use the same codes in unimarc
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11:08 jcamins drojf: Plack will work better in 3.12 than it did in 3.10.
11:08 jcamins And that's about it.
11:08 drojf jcamins: i hope so :)
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11:09 drojf jcamins: that is not really a recommendation to use it in production, is it? ;)
11:09 jcamins No.
11:09 jcamins Definitely not.
11:09 drojf :)
11:10 jcamins Calling 3.10 Plack-ready was jumping the gun.
11:10 drojf well… a raspberry PI image would only make sense with a 3.14 anyway
11:11 drojf jcamins: it would be interesting to see which parts of the staff client are safe to use with plack. but my fear is that the answer is "none"
11:11 jcamins Yeah... I had been hoping someone other than me would be trying to fix Plack support this release cycle.
11:13 jcamins I'd say the situation is that most of the staff client works.
11:13 jcamins But not necessarily well.
11:14 drojf yes, but it seems there are traps everywhere, so it depends on the library's needs
11:14 jcamins Exactly.
11:15 drojf i have not been working with plack in a while but it was already ok from testing (as in "playing aorund with it) months ago. just if you need a function here or a page there it might be the wrong one ;)
11:18 jcamins Exactly.
11:21 drojf gaetan_B: regarding the language code question: do you have those in unimarc authorities by default? that might be useful/reusable for marc21 libraries too
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11:34 drojf you have. interesting.[…]0e64cb5ea;hb=HEAD
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11:49 jcamins drojf: seems to me you could do a Raspi "test" image.
11:49 jcamins "Not for use in production, but take a look."
11:54 jcamins That way we know that Koha is the first ILS with a raspberry pi image. :P
12:00 magnuse ooh, cool idea!
12:06 drojf jcamins: i might actually do that :D
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12:26 oleonard Hi #koha
12:36 drojf hi oleonard
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12:44 gaetan_B drojf: sorry for the late answer, actually it seems we have them in french
12:45 gaetan_B in isntaller/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-O​bligatoire/authorised_values.sql
12:45 drojf gaetan_B: yes i found them, thanks :)
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12:48 tcohen has anyone something like this?
12:50 * jcamins doesn't even know what those processes are.
12:53 tcohen iscsi stuff, but the load!
12:53 jcamins Oh, I thought you were hoping someone knew why it was so high based on the processes.
12:53 jcamins No, never seen anything like that. ;)
12:54 tcohen heh, its an OpenSuSE with Xen, messing with the stats
13:06 jcamins oleonard: cool!
13:06 jcamins oleonard: how does that work, exactly?
13:07 jcamins Surely you don't carry the bicycle to the circ desk.
13:07 oleonard No, there will be a binder or clipboard or something with all the barcodes on it.
13:08 oleonard Then the staff member helps the patron get the right bike, and does a physical inspection of the bike at the same time.
13:08 drojf i love it!
13:08 gaetan_B in marc21 the 260$c field (date of publication) is free text such as "April 25th, 1978" but by default it is linked to biblio.copyrightdate which is a smallint(6)
13:08 oleonard Theoretically anyway. We'll find out tomorrow whether our procedure is right
13:09 oleonard In other news: "non-public note" isn't very nonpublic if the patron can download the MARC file. Can't put the bike lock combinations in there.
13:09 gaetan_B is there some magic happening in the background ?
13:09 oleonard This is our first opportunity to actually use hourly loans, although since we don't charge fines it doesn't mean so much.
13:10 oleonard gaetan_B: Magic?
13:10 drojf gaetan_B: AFAIK people put only the year into that field
13:10 gaetan_B drojf: i'm not that comfortable with marc21 but the online documentation doesn't seem to be against it
13:10 gaetan_B
13:11 drojf gaetan_B: you're right, it should be capable of dates like that
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13:11 drojf i suppose there were no problems because people don't use such dates very often though
13:12 kf gaetan_B: the marc will work, but it won't copy it into the bilbio* table probably
13:12 gaetan_B it will put '0' in the database it seems
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13:18 jcamins oleonard: checkout notes are actually private.
13:18 oleonard jcamins: checkout notes?
13:18 wahanui checkout notes are actually private.
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13:18 oleonard thanks wahanui :P
13:18 jcamins oleonard: circulation notes?
13:18 jcamins I don't remember what they're called.
13:18 jcamins But they pop up when you check out an item.
13:19 oleonard Those are attached to a patron though, we need them to be associated with an item
13:19 jcamins oleonard: I thought there were checkout notes on items.
13:20 oleonard Not that I know of
13:20 jcamins gaetan_B: no, no magic. 260$c should not be linked to a smallint.
13:21 jcamins oleonard: well that's unfortunate.
13:21 jcamins And... seems problematic.
13:23 magnuse tcohen++ for improving the koha-* scripts!
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13:35 mib_i012qt how to edit Shelving location
13:37 mib_i012qt how to add more fields in the shelving location
13:37 oleonard mib_i012qt: Shelving location is an "authorised value"
13:37 oleonard mib_i012qt: Look in the manual for details about how to add and edit authorised values
13:37 oleonard manual?
13:37 wahanui manual is at
13:49 kf oleonard: he might mean $3
13:49 kf oleonard: those notes pop up on checkout and checkin
13:49 tcohen question, is it possible to place more than one hold on a register?
13:50 tcohen (i mean, a biblio record)
13:50 kf oleonard: but I am not sure if you can't see them in opac
13:50 kf oleonard: we shoud probably fix the private note
13:50 kf tcohen: hm currently notI think, there are some bugs in bugzilla about multi-record holds or similar
13:51 tcohen the situation is a multi-item biblio (encyclopedia)
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13:59 kf tcohen: yep, or other multi volume thigns, serials
14:00 kf bug 2532
14:00 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2532 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron-requested holds limited to one item per bib.
14:00 kf bug 7710
14:00 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title
14:01 kf maybe 7717
14:01 kf bug 7717
14:01 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7717 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Multiple Identical Holds
14:04 tcohen thanks kf
14:04 tcohen looks like 7710 has a patch!
14:04 tcohen heh
14:08 tcohen does anyone know if returns an error code if something went wrong?
14:12 tcohen gmcharlt maybe?
14:15 tcohen nevermind, it doesn't
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14:24 tcohen question: what's the expected behaviour of koha-rebuild-zebra if we use (for example) the -a parameter?
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14:26 jcamins tcohen: it passes any arguments it doesn't recognize to rebuilc_zebra.
14:26 jcamins I think.
14:27 tcohen yes, but is it right? -a -b -x should abort because -a and -x are not mixable?
14:28 tcohen i was thinking of catching the -a and -b switches to make them behave like "authorities only"
14:28 jcamins -a and -x work together.
14:28 jcamins They have since 3.8.2.
14:28 tcohen oh, i guess i missed that :-D
14:29 tcohen let me put it another way
14:29 tcohen koha-rebuild-zebra -v -a instance
14:29 tcohen will rebuild authorities twice
14:29 tcohen is it a problem?
14:30 jcamins I don't think so.
14:30 tcohen ok, its just a weird behaviour
14:30 jcamins I mean, it might be nice if that meant "don't do bibs," but I don't think it's important.
14:30 tcohen is -x -a working on DOM only or is it model agnostic?
14:30 jcamins -x -a works no matter what.
14:30 tcohen ok
14:30 jcamins Actually, -x -a always worked with GRS-1.
14:30 tcohen i'm rewriting koha-rebuild-zebra
14:30 jcamins It was just with DOM that there was a problem.
14:31 tcohen -x -a kicked our a*s with GRS-1 a while ago
14:31 tcohen anyway, do u think a change like this it is worth now I'm rewriting this script?
14:32 jcamins If you're rewriting, yes!
14:32 jcamins :P
14:32 tcohen (I mean, its almost free if I do it now)
14:32 jcamins No question at all, then!
14:32 tcohen thanks
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14:43 nengard anyone remember the bug that lists info on sorting by volume number for serials
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14:59 nengard_ anyone know how to kick the other me from this channel?
14:59 nengard was kicked by bag: nengard
15:00 nengard_ hmmm
15:00 nengard_ well still can't change back to me
15:00 nengard_ strange
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15:01 nengard there i am
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15:23 jcamins gmcharlt: the reverts branch looks right to me.
15:23 gmcharlt jcamins: thanks for checking
15:24 jcamins You're welcome. I checked last night, but couldn't remember if I'd told you.
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15:29 oleonard Last chance to lobby for your favorite string-changing patch everyone!
15:30 kf :)
15:32 kf I will try to qa asap
15:39 tcohen magnuse:
15:45 tcohen hmm, I like this one a bit more:
15:46 jcamins tcohen: nice!
15:46 oleonard jcamins: How does the patch for Bug 10152 affect the display of parcels when the table is sorted client-side?
15:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10152 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Default sorting wrong in
15:47 jcamins oleonard: it didn't seem to me to make any difference in client-side sorting.
15:47 * oleonard thinks that page needs the "sort by" and "results per page" options to be removed from the filter
15:47 jcamins I would agree.
15:47 oleonard Both are useless when the results are handled by the table sorter
15:51 jcamins oleonard: BTW, have you noticed that the language bar in the staff client ends up offset from the bottom if you shrink the window too far?
15:51 oleonard No
15:52 jcamins It seems to. I didn't report a bug because I wanted to get you to confirm that it wasn't just my system, and decide whether it was a problem.
15:52 * oleonard will test
15:54 jcamins oleonard: <-- that's what I see
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15:55 jcamins I bet you'll be glad for the end of my term as RM. My rate of reporting display bugs should greatly decrease.
15:55 oleonard Yeah I see that too
15:55 oleonard Actually I love it when people file display bugs, because I love fixing things.
15:56 jcamins In that case I guess you'll be sorry to see me go.
15:56 maximep the field biblioitems.marcxml is displayed in the available fields for some notices/letters, but there's really no way to get the value of a marc field within it, right ?
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15:57 maximep id have to do custom code to allow that ?
15:59 jcamins maximep: that's correct.
16:00 maximep yeah... messing with that code doesn't look like fun :/
16:01 oleonard Okay jcamins, I guess I don't see what your patch for 10152 is for if you can only see its effect if you have js disabled
16:02 jcamins oleonard: because the JS uses the default sort too.
16:02 jcamins If you do not manually sort anything, it is sorted in the reverse of the order you would expect.
16:03 oleonard Oh so it does. I was deceived by the sorting indicator on the table header
16:03 jcamins That first column "Line" is what it sorts on by default, and that's just the ordinal of each line.
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16:03 jcamins Yeah, that's why I said that "Line" could probably go, but not on that bug.
16:03 reiveune bye
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16:04 gaetan_B something weird happened with this double notes field
16:04 gaetan_B biblio.notes is linked to 500a
16:04 gaetan_B and i linked biblioitems.notes to 041a because it seemed to be unused and i needed easy access to the documents language
16:05 gaetan_B now is i look at what i have in biblioitems.notes, its empty
16:05 gaetan_B but all of them are in biblio.notes
16:07 gaetan_B and if i look at a record, the information is in 041a and 500a is empty...
16:08 jcamins gaetan_B: sounds like Koha can't handle columns with the same name in more than one table.
16:09 kf ew
16:09 kf but that might be it
16:10 gaetan_B ouch :(
16:11 kf you know you can do sql on the xml too?
16:11 gaetan_B with extract value ?
16:11 kf yeah
16:11 gaetan_B but jcamins explanation does seem the right one
16:12 gaetan_B i can make a report to get all the values in 041a without having a field in the table
16:12 gaetan_B but usually they are quite slow
16:12 gaetan_B and they will use this report a lot
16:13 * gaetan_B is back on the quest for a recycleworthy database field
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16:34 gaetan_B bye #koha!
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16:59 magnuse tcohen++
16:59 tcohen dou like it?
16:59 magnuse oh yes, that looks awesome!
17:00 * magnuse takes the dogs for a walk
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18:04 oleonard Oh no I missed so much while I was gone.
18:06 tcohen oh, finally got mutually exclusive switches being removed working!!!!
18:07 bgkriegel :)
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18:07 tcohen ;)
18:08 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software Next general IRC meeting 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC
18:08 tcohen bgkriegel: do u remember of a bash command to convert a phrase into multiline using spaces as separators?
18:09 bgkriegel for i in $line; do echo $i; done...?
18:10 bgkriegel i think it does automatic split on spaces
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18:50 druthb wahoo!  The book *finally* got published![…]c-libraries/72362
18:52 oleonard finally?
18:52 druthb I sent in my chapter a *year ago*
18:53 druthb In fact, as I recall, it was due in a year ago today.
18:53 druthb poky slow editors (not nengard…she was quick!)
18:54 oleonard I hope your chapter was about sexy android librarians druthb
18:55 druthb :P
18:55 druthb silly oleonard!
18:55 druthb it was about something even sexier…Koha migrations!
18:56 bgkriegel Who Ever Said that ILS  Migrations Had to be Stressful?, no sexy androids...
18:59 oleonard Too little research is being done in the area of sexy android librarians.
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19:06 nengard oh boy
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19:14 tcohen C'mon, that Paul seems a good guy after all :-P
19:16 bgkriegel an example of persistence :P
19:18 tcohen Cuack, good one bgkriegel
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19:23 tcohen_ @later tell marcelr let me know if you need anything else to get bug 10084 pass QA
19:23 huginn` tcohen_: The operation succeeded.
19:27 oleonard melia around?
19:27 melia yep
19:27 melia hi Owen :)
19:28 oleonard What is Bug 9852 about? I'm confused, since Koha doesn't have any ILL-specific functionality
19:28 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , my ILL requests
19:29 melia it's not a bug. it's a library requesting that we create some ILL specific functionality in Koha. they are not sponsoring development but asked me to send their idea out to the community, so I copy/pasted their idea into an enhancement request.
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19:31 melia it doesn't really require any action. (unless someone just feels like adding ILL stuff to Koha)
19:31 oleonard Okay thanks
19:31 melia np
19:32 koala I am new to koha and I cannot see 245 subfield b displayed in normal view though I can see it in Marc view. Is there something I should do first. I have checked bib framework for 245.
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19:33 magnuse melia: ptfs europe are working on ill stuff
19:33 oleonard koala: Sounds like you need to set up "Keywords to MARC mapping" http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/en/catadmin.html
19:33 melia oh good, magnuse!
19:34 oleonard koala: Map field name "subtitle" to MARC field 245 and MARC subfield b
19:34 oleonard Sorry I didn't mean to give you the 3.6 manual, but it's basically the same
19:40 oleonard mtj secretly heads a ring of stealth Koha upgraders
19:43 mtj man, that thread must be the silliest in koha history
19:44 koala I added subtitle and MARC field 245 and subfield be and it is set on default. Still not able to see subtitle in normal view. Do I need to change default framework?
19:45 oleonard koala: Did you make a change under "Keywords to MARC mapping" ?
19:45 oleonard koala: And do you use frameworks other than the default framework?
19:47 bgkriegel koala: opac or staff view?
19:47 koala yes I made a change under keywords to MARC mapping. I have only used Bibliographic framework to add subfields.
19:48 koala I am not able to see sufield b in Normal view but I can see it in MARC view.
19:54 koala <bgkriege: not able to see it in staff view
19:56 rangi try switching on xslt
19:56 rangi morning all
19:58 bgkriegel koala: try setting system preferences XSLTDetailsDisplay and XSLTResultsDisplay to 'default'
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20:02 bgkriegel morning rangi
20:05 koala bgkriege: thanks. worked a treat
20:07 bgkriegel :)
20:07 oleonard Hm... Yeah, Keyword to MARC mapping works for me whether XSLT is on or not.
20:20 oleonard Bye #koha
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20:24 rangi lending bicycles is such a good idea
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20:33 tcohen ok rangi, associative arrays as references in bash
20:34 tcohen is it possible?
20:34 tcohen heh
20:35 rangi perhaps, but i wouldn't ;-)
20:35 tcohen there's no other way for the bash-completion stuff
20:36 * rangi uses zsh
20:36 rangi you're on your own
20:36 rangi :)
20:36 tcohen :-P
20:36 rangi i wonder if ther eis a #bash on oftc
20:37 tcohen i think i finally got it
20:39 bgkriegel tcohen: declare -A test; test[1,1]=A; test[1,2]=B; echo ${test[1,2]}
20:40 tcohen yeah bgkriegel, the tricky part was recovering the parameter as an associative array
20:41 tcohen i'm about to paste it
20:41 tcohen just a sec
20:44 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "assoc array ref as parameter in bash" (21 lines) at
20:46 tcohen i think it will get too messy bgkriegel, because bash doesn't like a dash in the index name
20:46 bgkriegel yeap
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20:55 tcohen hmm, dash in the keys work, but we loose the keys themselves
20:56 wizzyrea is there a reason that the item private note isn't shown anywhere?
20:57 wizzyrea also someone mentioned to me recently that they want to attach messages to issues (example: adding an ILL number to an issue that would be displayed on return)
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21:49 wizzyrea whoa when did we get per patron category lost item hiding, that's pretty sweet.
21:50 rangi i think there is a bug for that private note thing too
21:51 cait wizzyrea: i think that's for staff... i was always a bit confused by it
21:51 bag oh wizzyrea iirc nelsonville did that development
21:51 bag for the intranet view
21:51 rangi so they could lend bikes
21:52 wizzyrea did what development - the per patron category lost item hiding?
21:52 wizzyrea or the private note thing
21:52 bag the lost item thing
21:53 wizzyrea well I like it
21:53 wizzyrea acpl++
21:55 cait wizzyrea: what will you use it for?
21:56 wizzyrea me personally? nothing.
21:56 wizzyrea but I know people who will like it
21:57 wizzyrea for example, if you don't care to show lost items to other libraries who are logged into your system.
21:57 wizzyrea so they don't try to request them.
21:57 wizzyrea that's only the first (probably bad) example I could come up with
21:58 wizzyrea or you don't want to show lost items to logged in kids.
21:58 wizzyrea idk. Publics have crazy ideas sometimes :)
22:01 rangi i think its staff side only?
22:01 rangi or is it OPAC too?
22:01 cait the docs says staff
22:02 wizzyrea either way, I still think it's neat.
22:02 * wizzyrea likes little feature surprises.
22:02 cait hm and libraries here would never log into our system (staff side) noone outside the library would, so that's why I am puzzled by it :)
22:03 cait maybe I should ask oleonard :)
22:07 cait someone around for a sign-off maybe?
22:08 wizzyrea which bug?
22:08 cait let me find it
22:09 cait 10145
22:09 cait it's a display problem for the new feature
22:10 wizzyrea bug 10145
22:10 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed
22:10 cait you will see it when you have a subscription and have created an order for it from acq... which is why I think it will be hard to find someone to test :)
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22:24 rangi zomg
22:24 wizzyrea ?
22:24 rangi the thread of magic upgrade continues
22:24 bag heh
22:25 mtj fuck me...
22:25 rangi its annoying because you cant leave his FUD as the last word
22:25 mtj slowly
22:25 rangi in case someone believes it
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22:27 mtj yeah, i really want to spot responding to him :/
22:27 rangi im done
22:27 rangi thats my last one
22:27 cjh wow, still going.
22:28 rangi its the refusal to admit he may have made a mistake, the common thing in every one of his mail threads
22:28 rangi means they never end
22:28 wizzyrea stubbornness can be such a curse.
22:28 wizzyrea ask me how I know.
22:28 wizzyrea >.>
22:28 wizzyrea <.<
22:29 mtj see, he cant have even accidentailly untarred a 3.8.10 over his koha dir
22:29 cjh even if he didnt enter his db password, he still must have copied the codebase to /usr/share/koha or whever he is running it from. The koha web installer won't go looking for it.
22:30 mtj .. he would have have to manually run the all the 'make; make upgrade;' stuff too?
22:30 eythian hi
22:30 cait hi eythian
22:32 BobB hi all
22:33 cait hi BobB
22:33 rangi yep
22:33 BobB busy day in prospect ..
22:33 mtj rangi++ for that email
22:33 cjh rangi++ good closing email
22:33 mtj heya BobB
22:34 cjh mtj++
22:34 cjh jcamins++
22:34 mtj i feel like my brain is oozing out of my ears
22:35 cjh mtj: you should probably get that looked at.
22:35 * cait nods
22:36 BobB lol cjh
22:36 BobB yeah, good last email by rangi
22:42 mtj quote get 244
22:43 mtj @quote get 244
22:43 huginn` mtj: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013)
22:43 cjh heh
22:43 mtj there we go...
22:43 eythian we need more hackers who go around upgrading systems
22:44 cjh someone breaks into the box every week or so and busily runs through apt-get upgrade
22:44 cjh that doesnt sound half bad actually.
22:44 cait ok, people
22:44 cait I am going to sleep
22:44 eythian it's only 00:40 though.
22:45 cait if yu want any string patches in 3.12... tomorrow morning is the last chance for qa
22:45 cait so... for example bug 10145...
22:45 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed
22:45 cjh cait: night :)
22:45 eythian later cait
22:46 eythian mtj: thanks for checking out those patches btw. I've been too busy to look at much of anything for the past couple of weeks.
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22:49 mtj no probs
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23:16 jcamins wtf?
23:16 rangi heh
23:16 jcamins WHY??
23:20 gmcharlt sekjal++
23:25 jcamins I will be soooo glad when I'm done being RM.
23:25 jcamins I can set koha-devel NOMAIL.
23:26 jcamins Our signal-to-noise ratio is wayyyy down from what it was when I first started following it.
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23:38 jcamins Ah- an important announcement regarding string freeze: due to my schedule tomorrow, I will probably not be pushing the last string changes until tomorrow *night* (my time). This in no way impacts the eligibility of patches that pass QA prior to 6am to get in.
23:39 jcamins @later tell kf An important announcement regarding string freeze: due to my schedule tomorrow, I will probably not be pushing the last string changes until tomorrow *night* (my time). This in no way impacts the eligibility of patches that pass QA prior to 6am to get in.
23:39 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
23:53 dcook acpl++
23:53 dcook
23:54 dcook "Children ages 0 to 11 must have a parent or guardian present to borrow equipment."
23:54 dcook Trying to imagine a baby on some of the bikes for which they've posted photos
23:54 eythian jcamins: maybe we just need people to be a bit more active about keeping it on-topic.

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