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23:54 eythian jcamins: maybe we just need people to be a bit more active about keeping it on-topic.
23:54 dcook Trying to imagine a baby on some of the bikes for which they've posted photos
23:54 dcook "Children ages 0 to 11 must have a parent or guardian present to borrow equipment."
23:53 dcook http://www.myacpl.org/bikes
23:53 dcook acpl++
23:39 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
23:39 jcamins @later tell kf An important announcement regarding string freeze: due to my schedule tomorrow, I will probably not be pushing the last string changes until tomorrow *night* (my time). This in no way impacts the eligibility of patches that pass QA prior to 6am to get in.
23:38 jcamins Ah- an important announcement regarding string freeze: due to my schedule tomorrow, I will probably not be pushing the last string changes until tomorrow *night* (my time). This in no way impacts the eligibility of patches that pass QA prior to 6am to get in.
23:26 jcamins Our signal-to-noise ratio is wayyyy down from what it was when I first started following it.
23:25 jcamins I can set koha-devel NOMAIL.
23:25 jcamins I will be soooo glad when I'm done being RM.
23:21 rangi [off] cept for paul admitted he ran the webinstaller so we have just introduced more confusion
23:21 gmcharlt [off] though I fear he's tilting at a windmill
23:20 gmcharlt sekjal++
23:16 jcamins WHY??
23:16 rangi heh
23:16 jcamins wtf?
22:49 mtj no probs
22:46 eythian mtj: thanks for checking out those patches btw. I've been too busy to look at much of anything for the past couple of weeks.
22:45 eythian later cait
22:45 cjh cait: night :)
22:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed
22:45 cait so... for example bug 10145...
22:45 cait if yu want any string patches in 3.12... tomorrow morning is the last chance for qa
22:44 eythian it's only 00:40 though.
22:44 cait I am going to sleep
22:44 cait ok, people
22:44 cjh that doesnt sound half bad actually.
22:44 cjh someone breaks into the box every week or so and busily runs through apt-get upgrade
22:43 eythian we need more hackers who go around upgrading systems
22:43 mtj there we go...
22:43 cjh heh
22:43 huginn` mtj: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013)
22:43 mtj @quote get 244
22:42 mtj quote get 244
22:36 BobB yeah, good last email by rangi
22:36 BobB lol cjh
22:35 * cait nods
22:35 cjh mtj: you should probably get that looked at.
22:34 mtj i feel like my brain is oozing out of my ears
22:34 cjh jcamins++
22:34 cjh mtj++
22:33 mtj heya BobB
22:33 cjh rangi++ good closing email
22:33 mtj rangi++ for that email
22:33 BobB busy day in prospect ..
22:33 rangi yep
22:33 cait hi BobB
22:32 BobB hi all
22:30 cait hi eythian
22:30 eythian hi
22:30 mtj .. he would have have to manually run the all the 'make; make upgrade;' stuff too?
22:29 cjh even if he didnt enter his db password, he still must have copied the codebase to /usr/share/koha or whever he is running it from. The koha web installer won't go looking for it.
22:29 mtj see, he cant have even accidentailly untarred a 3.8.10 over his koha dir
22:28 wizzyrea <.<
22:28 wizzyrea >.>
22:28 wizzyrea ask me how I know.
22:28 wizzyrea stubbornness can be such a curse.
22:28 rangi means they never end
22:28 wizzyrea [off] well he does have an above average memory.
22:28 rangi its the refusal to admit he may have made a mistake, the common thing in every one of his mail threads
22:27 cjh wow, still going.
22:27 rangi thats my last one
22:27 rangi im done
22:27 mtj yeah, i really want to spot responding to him :/
22:25 rangi in case someone believes it
22:25 mtj slowly
22:25 rangi its annoying because you cant leave his FUD as the last word
22:25 mtj fuck me...
22:24 bag heh
22:24 rangi the thread of magic upgrade continues
22:24 wizzyrea ?
22:24 rangi zomg
22:12 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Koha bugzilla statistics for April 2013 #kohails http://t.co/D71KE6ZFpd"
22:10 cait you will see it when you have a subscription and have created an order for it from acq... which is why I think it will be hard to find someone to test :)
22:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed
22:10 wizzyrea bug 10145
22:09 cait it's a display problem for the new feature
22:09 cait 10145
22:08 cait let me find it
22:08 wizzyrea which bug?
22:07 cait someone around for a sign-off maybe?
22:03 cait maybe I should ask oleonard :)
22:02 cait hm and libraries here would never log into our system (staff side) noone outside the library would, so that's why I am puzzled by it :)
22:02 * wizzyrea likes little feature surprises.
22:02 wizzyrea either way, I still think it's neat.
22:01 cait the docs says staff
22:01 rangi or is it OPAC too?
22:01 rangi i think its staff side only?
21:58 wizzyrea idk. Publics have crazy ideas sometimes :)
21:58 wizzyrea or you don't want to show lost items to logged in kids.
21:57 wizzyrea that's only the first (probably bad) example I could come up with
21:57 wizzyrea so they don't try to request them.
21:57 wizzyrea for example, if you don't care to show lost items to other libraries who are logged into your system.
21:56 wizzyrea but I know people who will like it
21:56 wizzyrea me personally? nothing.
21:55 cait wizzyrea: what will you use it for?
21:53 wizzyrea acpl++
21:53 wizzyrea well I like it
21:52 bag the lost item thing
21:52 wizzyrea or the private note thing
21:52 wizzyrea did what development - the per patron category lost item hiding?
21:51 rangi so they could lend bikes
21:51 bag for the intranet view
21:51 bag oh wizzyrea iirc nelsonville did that development
21:51 cait wizzyrea: i think that's for staff... i was always a bit confused by it
21:50 rangi i think there is a bug for that private note thing too
21:49 wizzyrea whoa when did we get per patron category lost item hiding, that's pretty sweet.
20:57 wizzyrea also someone mentioned to me recently that they want to attach messages to issues (example: adding an ILL number to an issue that would be displayed on return)
20:56 wizzyrea is there a reason that the item private note isn't shown anywhere?
20:55 tcohen hmm, dash in the keys work, but we loose the keys themselves
20:46 bgkriegel yeap
20:46 tcohen i think it will get too messy bgkriegel, because bash doesn't like a dash in the index name
20:44 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "assoc array ref as parameter in bash" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/487
20:41 tcohen just a sec
20:41 tcohen i'm about to paste it
20:40 tcohen yeah bgkriegel, the tricky part was recovering the parameter as an associative array
20:39 bgkriegel tcohen: declare -A test; test[1,1]=A; test[1,2]=B; echo ${test[1,2]}
20:37 tcohen i think i finally got it
20:36 rangi i wonder if ther eis a #bash on oftc
20:36 tcohen :-P
20:36 rangi :)
20:36 rangi you're on your own
20:36 * rangi uses zsh
20:35 tcohen there's no other way for the bash-completion stuff
20:35 rangi perhaps, but i wouldn't ;-)
20:34 tcohen heh
20:34 tcohen is it possible?
20:33 tcohen ok rangi, associative arrays as references in bash
20:24 rangi lending bicycles is such a good idea
20:20 oleonard Bye #koha
20:07 oleonard Hm... Yeah, Keyword to MARC mapping works for me whether XSLT is on or not.
20:07 bgkriegel :)
20:05 koala bgkriege: thanks. worked a treat
20:02 bgkriegel morning rangi
19:58 bgkriegel koala: try setting system preferences XSLTDetailsDisplay and XSLTResultsDisplay to 'default'
19:56 rangi morning all
19:56 rangi try switching on xslt
19:54 koala <bgkriege: not able to see it in staff view
19:48 koala I am not able to see sufield b in Normal view but I can see it in MARC view.
19:47 koala yes I made a change under keywords to MARC mapping. I have only used Bibliographic framework to add subfields.
19:47 bgkriegel koala: opac or staff view?
19:45 oleonard koala: And do you use frameworks other than the default framework?
19:45 oleonard koala: Did you make a change under "Keywords to MARC mapping" ?
19:44 koala I added subtitle and MARC field 245 and subfield be and it is set on default. Still not able to see subtitle in normal view. Do I need to change default framework?
19:43 mtj man, that thread must be the silliest in koha history
19:40 oleonard mtj secretly heads a ring of stealth Koha upgraders
19:34 oleonard Sorry I didn't mean to give you the 3.6 manual, but it's basically the same
19:34 oleonard koala: Map field name "subtitle" to MARC field 245 and MARC subfield b
19:33 melia oh good, magnuse!
19:33 oleonard koala: Sounds like you need to set up "Keywords to MARC mapping" http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/catadmin.html
19:33 magnuse melia: ptfs europe are working on ill stuff
19:32 koala I am new to koha and I cannot see 245 subfield b displayed in normal view though I can see it in Marc view. Is there something I should do first. I have checked bib framework for 245.
19:31 melia np
19:31 oleonard Okay thanks
19:31 melia it doesn't really require any action. (unless someone just feels like adding ILL stuff to Koha)
19:29 melia it's not a bug. it's a library requesting that we create some ILL specific functionality in Koha. they are not sponsoring development but asked me to send their idea out to the community, so I copy/pasted their idea into an enhancement request.
19:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , my ILL requests
19:28 oleonard What is Bug 9852 about? I'm confused, since Koha doesn't have any ILL-specific functionality
19:27 melia hi Owen :)
19:27 melia yep
19:27 oleonard melia around?
19:23 huginn` tcohen_: The operation succeeded.
19:23 tcohen_ @later tell marcelr let me know if you need anything else to get bug 10084 pass QA
19:18 tcohen Cuack, good one bgkriegel
19:16 bgkriegel an example of persistence :P
19:14 tcohen C'mon, that Paul seems a good guy after all :-P
19:06 nengard oh boy
18:59 oleonard Too little research is being done in the area of sexy android librarians.
18:56 bgkriegel Who Ever Said that ILS Migrations Had to be Stressful?, no sexy androids...
18:55 druthb it was about something even sexier…Koha migrations!
18:55 druthb silly oleonard!
18:55 druthb :P
18:54 oleonard I hope your chapter was about sexy android librarians druthb
18:53 druthb poky slow editors (not nengard…she was quick!)
18:53 druthb In fact, as I recall, it was due in a year ago today.
18:52 druthb I sent in my chapter a *year ago*
18:52 oleonard finally?
18:50 druthb wahoo! The book *finally* got published! http://www.igi-global.com/book/robots-academic-libraries/72362
18:10 bgkriegel i think it does automatic split on spaces
18:09 bgkriegel for i in $line; do echo $i; done...?
18:08 tcohen bgkriegel: do u remember of a bash command to convert a phrase into multiline using spaces as separators?
18:07 tcohen ;)
18:07 bgkriegel :)
18:06 tcohen oh, finally got mutually exclusive switches being removed working!!!!
18:04 oleonard Oh no I missed so much while I was gone.
17:00 * magnuse takes the dogs for a walk
16:59 magnuse oh yes, that looks awesome!
16:59 tcohen dou like it?
16:59 magnuse tcohen++
16:34 gaetan_B bye #koha!
16:13 * gaetan_B is back on the quest for a recycleworthy database field
16:12 gaetan_B and they will use this report a lot
16:12 gaetan_B but usually they are quite slow
16:12 gaetan_B i can make a report to get all the values in 041a without having a field in the table
16:11 gaetan_B but jcamins explanation does seem the right one
16:11 kf yeah
16:11 gaetan_B with extract value ?
16:11 kf you know you can do sql on the xml too?
16:10 gaetan_B ouch :(
16:09 kf but that might be it
16:09 kf ew
16:08 jcamins gaetan_B: sounds like Koha can't handle columns with the same name in more than one table.
16:07 gaetan_B and if i look at a record, the information is in 041a and 500a is empty...
16:05 gaetan_B but all of them are in biblio.notes
16:05 gaetan_B now is i look at what i have in biblioitems.notes, its empty
16:04 gaetan_B and i linked biblioitems.notes to 041a because it seemed to be unused and i needed easy access to the documents language
16:04 gaetan_B biblio.notes is linked to 500a
16:04 gaetan_B something weird happened with this double notes field
16:03 reiveune bye
16:03 jcamins Yeah, that's why I said that "Line" could probably go, but not on that bug.
16:03 jcamins That first column "Line" is what it sorts on by default, and that's just the ordinal of each line.
16:03 oleonard Oh so it does. I was deceived by the sorting indicator on the table header
16:02 jcamins If you do not manually sort anything, it is sorted in the reverse of the order you would expect.
16:02 jcamins oleonard: because the JS uses the default sort too.
16:01 oleonard Okay jcamins, I guess I don't see what your patch for 10152 is for if you can only see its effect if you have js disabled
16:00 maximep yeah... messing with that code doesn't look like fun :/
15:59 jcamins maximep: that's correct.
15:57 maximep id have to do custom code to allow that ?
15:56 maximep the field biblioitems.marcxml is displayed in the available fields for some notices/letters, but there's really no way to get the value of a marc field within it, right ?
15:56 jcamins In that case I guess you'll be sorry to see me go.
15:55 oleonard Actually I love it when people file display bugs, because I love fixing things.
15:55 oleonard Yeah I see that too
15:55 jcamins I bet you'll be glad for the end of my term as RM. My rate of reporting display bugs should greatly decrease.
15:54 jcamins oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/UIM1STqdu4sD <-- that's what I see
15:52 * oleonard will test
15:52 jcamins It seems to. I didn't report a bug because I wanted to get you to confirm that it wasn't just my system, and decide whether it was a problem.
15:51 oleonard No
15:51 jcamins oleonard: BTW, have you noticed that the language bar in the staff client ends up offset from the bottom if you shrink the window too far?
15:47 oleonard Both are useless when the results are handled by the table sorter
15:47 jcamins I would agree.
15:47 * oleonard thinks that page needs the "sort by" and "results per page" options to be removed from the filter
15:47 jcamins oleonard: it didn't seem to me to make any difference in client-side sorting.
15:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10152 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl
15:46 oleonard jcamins: How does the patch for Bug 10152 affect the display of parcels when the table is sorted client-side?
15:46 jcamins tcohen: nice!
15:45 tcohen hmm, I like this one a bit more: http://sna.gy/hlvM3.jpg
15:39 tcohen magnuse: http://sna.gy/VwbMK.jpg
15:32 kf I will try to qa asap
15:30 kf :)
15:29 oleonard Last chance to lobby for your favorite string-changing patch everyone!
15:24 jcamins You're welcome. I checked last night, but couldn't remember if I'd told you.
15:23 gmcharlt jcamins: thanks for checking
15:23 jcamins gmcharlt: the reverts branch looks right to me.
15:01 nengard there i am
15:00 nengard_ strange
15:00 nengard_ well still can't change back to me
15:00 nengard_ hmmm
14:59 nengard_ anyone know how to kick the other me from this channel?
14:43 nengard anyone remember the bug that lists info on sorting by volume number for serials
14:32 tcohen thanks
14:32 jcamins No question at all, then!
14:32 tcohen (I mean, its almost free if I do it now)
14:32 jcamins :P
14:32 jcamins If you're rewriting, yes!
14:31 tcohen anyway, do u think a change like this it is worth now I'm rewriting this script?
14:31 tcohen -x -a kicked our a*s with GRS-1 a while ago
14:30 jcamins It was just with DOM that there was a problem.
14:30 tcohen i'm rewriting koha-rebuild-zebra
14:30 jcamins Actually, -x -a always worked with GRS-1.
14:30 tcohen ok
14:30 jcamins -x -a works no matter what.
14:30 tcohen is -x -a working on DOM only or is it model agnostic?
14:30 jcamins I mean, it might be nice if that meant "don't do bibs," but I don't think it's important.
14:30 tcohen ok, its just a weird behaviour
14:30 jcamins I don't think so.
14:29 tcohen is it a problem?
14:29 tcohen will rebuild authorities twice
14:29 tcohen koha-rebuild-zebra -v -a instance
14:29 tcohen let me put it another way
14:28 tcohen oh, i guess i missed that :-D
14:28 jcamins They have since 3.8.2.
14:28 jcamins -a and -x work together.
14:28 tcohen i was thinking of catching the -a and -b switches to make them behave like "authorities only"
14:27 tcohen yes, but is it right? -a -b -x should abort because -a and -x are not mixable?
14:26 jcamins I think.
14:26 jcamins tcohen: it passes any arguments it doesn't recognize to rebuilc_zebra.
14:24 tcohen question: what's the expected behaviour of koha-rebuild-zebra if we use (for example) the -a parameter?
14:15 tcohen nevermind, it doesn't
14:12 tcohen gmcharlt maybe?
14:08 tcohen does anyone know if rebuild_zebra.pl returns an error code if something went wrong?
14:04 tcohen heh
14:04 tcohen looks like 7710 has a patch!
14:04 tcohen thanks kf
14:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7717 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Multiple Identical Holds
14:01 kf bug 7717
14:01 kf maybe 7717
14:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title
14:00 kf bug 7710
14:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2532 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron-requested holds limited to one item per bib.
14:00 kf bug 2532
13:59 kf tcohen: yep, or other multi volume thigns, serials
13:51 tcohen the situation is a multi-item biblio (encyclopedia)
13:50 kf tcohen: hm currently notI think, there are some bugs in bugzilla about multi-record holds or similar
13:50 kf oleonard: we shoud probably fix the private note
13:50 kf oleonard: but I am not sure if you can't see them in opac
13:50 tcohen (i mean, a biblio record)
13:49 tcohen question, is it possible to place more than one hold on a register?
13:49 kf oleonard: those notes pop up on checkout and checkin
13:49 kf oleonard: he might mean $3
13:37 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
13:37 oleonard manual?
13:37 oleonard mib_i012qt: Look in the manual for details about how to add and edit authorised values
13:37 oleonard mib_i012qt: Shelving location is an "authorised value"
13:37 mib_i012qt how to add more fields in the shelving location
13:35 mib_i012qt how to edit Shelving location
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13:23 magnuse tcohen++ for improving the koha-* scripts!
13:21 jcamins And... seems problematic.
13:21 jcamins oleonard: well that's unfortunate.
13:20 jcamins gaetan_B: no, no magic. 260$c should not be linked to a smallint.
13:20 oleonard Not that I know of
13:19 jcamins oleonard: I thought there were checkout notes on items.
13:19 oleonard Those are attached to a patron though, we need them to be associated with an item
13:18 jcamins But they pop up when you check out an item.
13:18 jcamins I don't remember what they're called.
13:18 jcamins oleonard: circulation notes?
13:18 oleonard thanks wahanui :P
13:18 wahanui checkout notes are actually private.
13:18 oleonard jcamins: checkout notes?
13:18 jcamins oleonard: checkout notes are actually private.
13:12 gaetan_B it will put '0' in the database it seems
13:12 kf gaetan_B: the marc will work, but it won't copy it into the bilbio* table probably
13:11 drojf i suppose there were no problems because people don't use such dates very often though
13:11 drojf gaetan_B: you're right, it should be capable of dates like that
13:10 gaetan_B http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd260.html
13:10 gaetan_B drojf: i'm not that comfortable with marc21 but the online documentation doesn't seem to be against it
13:10 drojf gaetan_B: AFAIK people put only the year into that field
13:10 oleonard gaetan_B: Magic?
13:09 oleonard This is our first opportunity to actually use hourly loans, although since we don't charge fines it doesn't mean so much.
13:09 gaetan_B is there some magic happening in the background ?
13:09 oleonard In other news: "non-public note" isn't very nonpublic if the patron can download the MARC file. Can't put the bike lock combinations in there.
13:08 oleonard Theoretically anyway. We'll find out tomorrow whether our procedure is right
13:08 gaetan_B in marc21 the 260$c field (date of publication) is free text such as "April 25th, 1978" but by default it is linked to biblio.copyrightdate which is a smallint(6)
13:08 drojf i love it!
13:08 oleonard Then the staff member helps the patron get the right bike, and does a physical inspection of the bike at the same time.
13:07 oleonard No, there will be a binder or clipboard or something with all the barcodes on it.
13:07 jcamins Surely you don't carry the bicycle to the circ desk.
13:06 jcamins oleonard: how does that work, exactly?
13:06 jcamins oleonard: cool!
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12:54 tcohen heh, its an OpenSuSE with Xen, messing with the stats
12:53 jcamins No, never seen anything like that. ;)
12:53 jcamins Oh, I thought you were hoping someone knew why it was so high based on the processes.
12:53 tcohen iscsi stuff, but the load!
12:50 * jcamins doesn't even know what those processes are.
12:48 tcohen has anyone something like this? http://snag.gy/wbrOA.jpg
12:45 drojf gaetan_B: yes i found them, thanks :)
12:45 gaetan_B in isntaller/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire/authorised_values.sql
12:44 gaetan_B drojf: sorry for the late answer, actually it seems we have them in french
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12:36 drojf hi oleonard
12:26 oleonard Hi #koha
12:06 drojf jcamins: i might actually do that :D
12:00 magnuse ooh, cool idea!
11:54 jcamins That way we know that Koha is the first ILS with a raspberry pi image. :P
11:49 jcamins "Not for use in production, but take a look."
11:49 jcamins drojf: seems to me you could do a Raspi "test" image.
11:34 drojf you have. interesting. http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire/authorised_values.sql;h=91bd629bd30d9fdbc90d0a864917f4e0e64cb5ea;hb=HEAD
11:21 drojf gaetan_B: regarding the language code question: do you have those in unimarc authorities by default? that might be useful/reusable for marc21 libraries too
11:18 jcamins Exactly.
11:15 drojf i have not been working with plack in a while but it was already ok from testing (as in "playing aorund with it) months ago. just if you need a function here or a page there it might be the wrong one ;)
11:14 jcamins Exactly.
11:14 drojf yes, but it seems there are traps everywhere, so it depends on the library's needs
11:13 jcamins But not necessarily well.
11:13 jcamins I'd say the situation is that most of the staff client works.
11:11 jcamins Yeah... I had been hoping someone other than me would be trying to fix Plack support this release cycle.
11:11 drojf jcamins: it would be interesting to see which parts of the staff client are safe to use with plack. but my fear is that the answer is "none"
11:10 drojf well… a raspberry PI image would only make sense with a 3.14 anyway
11:10 jcamins Calling 3.10 Plack-ready was jumping the gun.
11:09 drojf :)
11:09 jcamins Definitely not.
11:09 jcamins No.
11:09 drojf jcamins: that is not really a recommendation to use it in production, is it? ;)
11:08 drojf jcamins: i hope so :)
11:08 jcamins And that's about it.
11:08 jcamins drojf: Plack will work better in 3.12 than it did in 3.10.
09:57 * drojf leaves
09:48 gaetan_B yes we use the same codes in unimarc
09:48 gaetan_B ok so that would be why koha doesn't enforce one at install
09:47 drojf the standard codes are basically iso-639-2 with some differences
09:47 drojf gaetan_B: yes, it's $2, see also http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html
09:46 drojf gaetan_B: you can use others too, there is another subfield to specify the source (might be $2, not sure)
09:46 drojf gaetan_B: http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/ don't know what you use in unimarc
09:42 gaetan_B in a plain marc21 install, 041$a is not linked to any authorised value, but the field is supposed to hold a language code, is it the same standard as the one used in unimarc ? or is it not standardised ?
09:41 magnuse ah. i thought maybe paul_p would know if there is some reason not to use it...
09:41 gaetan_B by the way
09:41 gaetan_B (it's for the Kurds !)
09:41 gaetan_B i need to have the language of the document at hand in the database for reports
09:40 gaetan_B magnuse: i don't know, it's for a marc21 install
09:40 magnuse gaetan_B: maybe check with paul_p?
09:36 gaetan_B ok so i can reuse this safely for something else i guess :)
09:24 drojf we should have classes in koha history and koha archeology
09:21 * magnuse would guess there are historical reasons for it...
09:12 gaetan_B is there a reason why we have a "notes" field both in biblio and biblioitems ? the one in biblioitems is not mapped by default it seems.
09:07 tweetbot [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Newsletter communautaire de Koha d'avril 2013 http://t.co/wlsj3KlRUi"
08:27 magnuse drojf: i'm not sure either, just thinking that there might be newer versions of a lot of the packages we depend on...
08:22 drojf not sure if it makes a difference at all for the package. i think master is missing a dependency in wheezy though
08:21 magnuse it will probably need some testing on wheezy?
08:19 drojf i think it is supposed to come out next weekend? (wheezy that is)
08:19 drojf are we going to have packages for squeeze and wheezy?
08:12 drojf yeah there is a lot in bz
08:10 magnuse probably a question for jcamins, though
08:09 magnuse searching for plack in bz, there are 3 blockers and 2 criticals that are new or in discussion...
08:04 drojf that brings me to the question: what is the status of plack going to be in 3.12?
08:02 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
08:02 drojf @later tell dcook i did (the koha on a raspi instructions), but they are outdated. it should be easier to do now, the raspian distribution takes care of a lot of things i had to do manually. and you have overclocking and more ram now, plus you have to share less ram with the gpu :)
07:32 gaetan_B :) too
07:31 kf :)
07:31 magnuse ...and kf
07:31 magnuse hiya gaetan_B
07:28 gaetan_B hello
07:28 dcook Take care :)
07:28 dcook All right. I had best be off for the night
07:27 kf hello :)
07:27 dcook wb kf
07:27 wahanui i think germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
07:27 huginn` GERMS!!!!
07:26 * magnuse wants to try that too
07:26 dcook drojf: Did you do the instructions for that?
07:26 dcook I really want to try installing Koha on a raspberry pi at some point though
07:25 dcook This new one a 2.6ghz processor and 4gb of ram if I recall correctly...should be more than enough
07:25 dcook The processor is pretty slow too
07:25 dcook I should upgrade to 2gb at some point..
07:24 dcook Only 1gb of ram that it needs to split between virtualbox and windows
07:24 magnuse yeah, that is no fun
07:24 magnuse ah
07:24 dcook It's pretty slow
07:24 dcook Well, I've already set up Debian and git on it
07:24 dcook Which is...
07:24 dcook But the only machine I have at home is a little netbook
07:24 dcook Hmm, that's true
07:24 magnuse you could also test the packages in e.g. virtualbox?
07:23 dcook :)
07:23 magnuse w00t!
07:22 dcook I actually feel like I might be able to tackle all the issues!
07:22 magnuse yay!
07:22 dcook Very excited for the box and for the progress here at Prosentient
07:22 dcook hey magnuse :)
07:22 dcook hi Joubu
07:21 Joubu hi #koha
07:21 magnuse dcook++
07:09 christophe_c hi dcook
07:09 asaurat hi!
07:07 dcook et asaurat :)
07:07 dcook allo christophe_c
07:02 christophe_c hello #koha
06:59 dcook BibLibre++
06:59 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "Nous venons de traduire la newsletter communautaire de Koha d'avril en français - http://t.co/s4yyFG4dVD #Kohails"
06:56 dcook Next step might be moving from OpenSuse to Debian...although that's a much more dramatic change than switching from versionless to versioned development..
06:55 dcook Can't wait for it to arrive so I can finally try out the Debian packages!
06:55 * dcook ordered his new experiment box last night
06:55 dcook Also glad that I was able to convince the powers that there was no way we weren't using Git going forward :D
06:54 dcook I'm very glad that I find my way to #koha and became (more) enlightened
06:54 * dcook likes this idea
06:53 rangi then make whoever made changes without using versions buy a zillion beers for being crazy?
06:51 dcook Only 9 files with local changes left for me to put into the git...
06:47 alex_a hello dcook cait
06:46 cait brb :)
06:46 cait dcook: lol
06:45 wahanui hello, reiveune
06:45 reiveune hello
06:45 dcook bonjour alex_a, reivune
06:45 dcook So far no deadly bites ;)
06:45 alex_a bonjour
06:45 dcook We do have an awful lot of them. I'm constantly walking into spider webs...
06:45 dcook hehe
06:45 drojf that's how you grow those weird spiders :P
06:45 cait feels like spring here too - hay fever
06:43 dcook Last week, we had every blank we own on the bed at night. Australia has such a weird climate sometimes...
06:43 dcook I was sweating at home last night. It felt like summer!
06:43 dcook It's been rather warm this year, especially the past few days
06:42 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:42 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:42 magnuse :-)
06:41 drojf magnuse: that's the spirit ;)
06:39 magnuse it feels like spring, though!
06:39 drojf the colder it is now the more it can increase during the day… or something ;)
06:38 * eythian wins
06:38 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
06:38 eythian @wunder nzwn
06:38 drojf poor cait
06:38 cait oh no magnuse does
06:38 cait i 'win' :(
06:38 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
06:38 magnuse @wunder boo
06:38 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.6°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
06:38 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:38 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 10.4°C (8:12 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:38 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
06:38 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Strasbourg, France is 10.1°C (8:32 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
06:38 cait @wunder strasbourg
06:38 magnuse nice!
06:38 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
06:38 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:38 magnuse bonjour matts
06:38 magnuse moin drojf
06:37 matts hi !
06:36 cait hi matts
06:35 drojf hi magnuse
06:32 magnuse :-)
06:30 * cait waves back
06:30 * magnuse waves
06:05 dcook hehe
06:04 cait heh
06:04 eythian she started laughing about it during the course.
06:04 eythian but it's also a term for an attractive man
06:03 eythian it's a git thing, part of a patch
06:03 cait hunks?
06:02 eythian (this came up during a git course)
06:02 wahanui okay, eythian.
06:02 eythian wahanui: wizzyrea is also a fan of selecting hunks for committing.
06:02 eythian that git talk reminds me
05:38 dcook Not that I think anyone is jealous of this task...:p
05:38 dcook Without it...it would be an unenviable task
05:38 dcook I'm using a merge program that highlights all differences though, so that's nice
05:37 dcook When I'm lucky, there are some comments ;)
05:37 cait jupp
05:37 dcook I can't remember if it was 50-80 this morning...
05:37 cait comments? documentation? :)
05:37 * dcook is down to about only 9 files left containing relatively undocumented customizations...
05:33 cait I was sleeping
05:33 drojf hi cait and dcook
05:33 drojf so you had fun on the mailing list tonight? :D
05:33 dcook cait: I agree ^_^
05:32 dcook morning drojf
05:32 cait good morning drojf
05:32 cait dcook: I would say your time today was well spent
05:32 cait dcook: ouch
05:31 drojf good morning #koha
05:24 dcook Which made it excrutiating to try to send patches back to the community
05:24 dcook With no history
05:24 dcook Then deployed from there
05:24 dcook In the past, development was done directly to a test install
05:23 cait where have they been residing before?
05:23 cait that sounds a reasonable thing to do
05:23 dcook Once they're all in there, I'll start cherrypicking some over to master :D
05:23 dcook I decided to finally knuckle down and try to get as many of our local customizations into git as possible
05:23 dcook Yeah, it's quite exciting
05:22 cait busy
05:22 cait heh
05:22 dcook Or I of it
05:22 dcook I think Vim is becoming a part of me
05:22 * dcook has committed more than 40 local patches today...
05:17 * cait waves back
05:17 * dcook waves to cait
05:05 cait hi eythian :)
05:05 eythian hi cait
04:39 cait goodmorning koha
03:54 rangi and very cool
03:53 rangi cya jcamins
03:53 dcook night, jcamins
03:47 jcamins Good night, #koha.
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03:37 eythian don't you just hate it when people don't
03:31 mtj hmm, i reckon ive spotted a bug with the inventory/stocktake thingy...
03:10 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
03:10 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt I confirm that you reverted the same patches I did.
02:54 rangi yah
02:53 jcamins That's not for data size concerns, though. It's because long titles are a problem on my phone.
02:51 jcamins And I think I might arbitrarily cut the titles at a relatively short number of characters for display purposes anyway.
02:50 jcamins At least, that's it in my proposal.
02:50 jcamins Borrowers and their basic information, item barcode/title/item type/branch, and... that's it, actually.
02:50 wizzyrea and a bit of fines?
02:50 wizzyrea just borrowers?
02:50 jcamins Incredibly small amounts of data.
02:50 jcamins No.
02:49 rangi its not transferring much data tho is it .. we arent moving marc records or anything eh?
02:49 jcamins *would
02:49 jcamins But not as much as I was worried the actual IndexedDB wouuld have.
02:48 jcamins Data transfer speeds will naturally have an impact.
02:48 jcamins No.
02:48 wizzyrea that's not over the internet though?
02:47 jcamins There's some disagreement about whether you start seeing performance issues when you get into the millions, but I didn't get try that yet.
02:47 jcamins I just tested sending several thousand objects, said "wow, that's fast," and declared it was a good idea. :P
02:46 wizzyrea ah
02:46 wizzyrea trying to wrap my head around it.
02:46 jcamins Any type of record. It's not actually implemented.
02:46 wizzyrea sorry so many questions
02:46 wizzyrea records = borrowers or...
02:46 jcamins It seems probable there might be some performance issues if they're contesting a single, now-outdated CPU. :)
02:45 jcamins For performance testing, I'll need to use different CPUs for the server and browser.
02:44 jcamins That's my initial plan, though if I find it's faster to do a complete reload, I'll do that.
02:44 wizzyrea you only send what's changed?
02:44 jcamins Yeah.
02:44 wizzyrea back would be much faster
02:43 jcamins On my slow VM.
02:43 jcamins I'm not positive, but ~5k records/sec.
02:43 wizzyrea to the browser.
02:43 wizzyrea let's start with down
02:42 jcamins wizzyrea: which direction?
02:42 rangi yeah sounds good
02:42 wizzyrea how long would a sync take/
02:42 jcamins Eventually the goal would be to have the actual circ pages support offline mode, but I figure a good start is using appcache FALLBACK.
02:40 jcamins Offline circ home: http://screencast.com/t/RAIzeRkyx ; checkout screen: http://screencast.com/t/ttJd6gH0 ; checkin screen: http://screencast.com/t/Mk8LFXsp9PX
02:29 jcamins Oh, good idea.
02:28 rangi yeah thats good id just timestamp it with the time you last synced
02:28 rangi or at least the reason that an issue should fail
02:27 eythian http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/04/tor-books-uk-drm-free-one-year-later
02:27 rangi as of 29/2/2013 12:43 this borrower owed $20
02:27 wizzyrea or some variant of it
02:27 wizzyrea this is what he's got so far
02:27 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/Lcl9fqF2M
02:27 rangi and maybe
02:26 rangi be nice to have borrowers name
02:26 rangi ah
02:26 jcamins Sorry, I guess I should have clarified that the question was more about what you want to be seeing as someone using an off-line circ system.
02:25 rangi exactly
02:25 rangi yeah
02:25 rangi you really only need the barcode, and the itemtype
02:25 jcamins The issue is more like "what information do I want to show on my screenshot." :P
02:25 rangi same with items
02:25 rangi cardnumber, category etc
02:24 jcamins Oh, I know.
02:24 rangi you could easily fit all the info you need about a borrower, even if there were a zillion of them in indexdb
02:24 jcamins It'll be out of date, but not _way_ out of date.
02:23 jcamins So syncing won't be as far off as with a file-based sync.
02:23 jcamins Because I am using that, you can hook the laptop up to your library network, catch up to the current situation, then disconnect, go do your bookmobile thing, come back, and upload the results.
02:22 jcamins HTML5 has support for using web pages offline, and storing data in a database in the web browser.
02:22 wizzyrea I don't follow.
02:22 wizzyrea then it's not offline circ?
02:22 jcamins So you don't have to do a big generation step.
02:22 jcamins This is HTML5.
02:22 wizzyrea if that's when you generate the borrower file
02:22 jcamins It would be current up until the bookmobile leaves the library.
02:21 wizzyrea well way out of date as often as you generate the patron file
02:21 wizzyrea it could be alright
02:21 jcamins Well, not so way out of date.
02:21 wizzyrea but if they ONLY ever pay their fines to the book mobile
02:21 wizzyrea but that will be wayyyy out of date.
02:21 wizzyrea I guess you could add to the patron dump their current fines.
02:20 wahanui I watch you sleep.
02:20 bgkriegel good night
02:19 jcamins In this case, the reason for offline circ is a bookmobile with no internet connectivity, and they don't really want to do everything by hand.
02:18 wizzyrea )
02:18 wizzyrea (but I think that is just as well kept in something like a spreadsheet.
02:18 jcamins Right.
02:18 wizzyrea you should collect the borrowernumber, and the amount paid
02:18 wizzyrea but I guess if you want to do that
02:17 * wizzyrea suggests using a bit of paper
02:17 jcamins Because it could be out of sync, and that would be bad.
02:17 jcamins Hmmm... thinking about when my college library went offline, I think we were able to collect fines, but did not know what the patron's balance was.
02:16 wizzyrea I think it's better to not do anything with fines
02:16 jcamins And the details tab is a candidate for removal.
02:15 jcamins wizzyrea: http://screencast.com/t/Lcl9fqF2M <-- picture of offline circ concept
02:15 bgkriegel oh, I'll check
02:14 jcamins bgkriegel: yes, unless you change a syspref (which I have forgotten the name of) in order to disable it.
02:14 bgkriegel sorry, another question not about food. It's possible to borrow more than one item of the same record to a patron?
02:14 jcamins So someone can make a payment.
02:14 jcamins I think total fines is all the information that is needed.
02:14 jcamins While offline.
02:13 jcamins My question was specifically whether _you_ (whoever is around) wanted to do stuff with fines.
02:13 wizzyrea whoever is asking about it
02:13 jcamins I generally try and persuade my libraries not to charge fines.
02:13 dcook hehe
02:13 wahanui you are brilliant
02:13 jcamins Me?
02:12 wizzyrea and if so, what?
02:12 wizzyrea are you wanting to do stuff with fines?
02:12 jcamins That was my thought.
02:12 wizzyrea offline
02:12 wizzyrea I think you cannot do much with fines
02:12 jcamins Ah- and take screenshots of it.
02:11 jcamins Explain *exactly* what offline circ should do.
02:11 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
02:11 wizzyrea the first question?
02:10 wizzyrea erm
02:10 jcamins In terms of fines.
02:10 jcamins If you're doing offline circ, what information do you need?
02:10 * jcamins contemplates.
02:10 wizzyrea probably rice wine and soy sauce
02:09 dcook :D
02:07 jcamins Spinach marinated in something I've forgotten.
02:07 jcamins Pickled Japanese eggplant.
02:06 dcook Yeah, I haven't had mushroom sushi in ages
02:06 dcook Oooh
02:06 jcamins Apparently sauteed mushrooms are traditional.
02:06 dcook Mango sushi on its own...hmm
02:06 dcook I do like avocado sushi.
02:06 dcook My sushi going is definitely these days now that I'm partnered up with someone that doesn't consume animal products
02:06 jcamins Mango sushi.
02:06 jcamins dcook: avocado sushi.
02:05 dcook jcamins: If you come up with some awesome vegan sushi recipes, I'll be very impressed
02:03 dcook Oooh. There is a good sushi place just down the street that I forgot about until now...
02:02 dcook lol
02:02 jcamins definitely not the place.
02:01 jcamins So...
02:01 jcamins lol
02:01 eythian many of us here at this time of day are totally surrounded by fish. We get calamari just washing up on the beaches, for example.
01:53 * jcamins makes a note that #koha is not the place to find people to be impressed by his sushi making.
01:49 cjh I haven't made sushi in years, need to give it a go again.
01:44 dcook At least in recent years
01:43 dcook Used to be able to find nori at most grocery stores in the cities in SK
01:42 jcamins It seemed unusual to me when I found it in New York!
01:42 jcamins wizzyrea: wait... you were able to get nori in Lawrence?
01:41 wizzyrea sushi is easy and relatively cheap near here.
01:41 wizzyrea i like where your head is at.
01:41 jcamins wizzyrea: sushi!
01:40 wizzyrea right, really ought to eat something before I eat my own arm.
01:37 wizzyrea kekkeke
01:37 dcook I usually caption that as "Winter in Saskatchewan"
01:37 wizzyrea jcamins: :)
01:37 jcamins Hehe.
01:36 wizzyrea haha
01:36 wizzyrea it does if you worked there/
01:36 dcook Blah, this isn't the right size, but... http://www.twosexygeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/atat-snow-star-wars-geeks-170x126.jpg
01:36 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, that definitely communicates the source well. :)
01:36 wizzyrea you can tell by the "worldonline.clients.ellingtoncms
01:36 jcamins I remember finding it weird when I first encountered buried wire (well, I didn't encounter the wire, just the lack of poles), but now it seems perfectly natural.
01:36 wizzyrea this one is actually from the lawrence paper
01:35 wizzyrea http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2005/03/13/24h__t440.jpg?9e2a24ba44807f8f9b96aad7c4082bf6ded075dc
01:35 dcook Where's that photo when you need it..
01:35 dcook Hmm
01:35 dcook Pretty :)
01:35 wizzyrea http://manhattaninfidel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/telephone-poles.jpg
01:35 dcook That photo describes my youth
01:34 wizzyrea http://images.fasocdn.com/23944_672860m+v=201212231923/telephone-poles-at-sunset-ks.jpg
01:34 jcamins I know what they are, but I can't remember the last time I saw one.
01:34 wizzyrea there are a lot of poles with wires strung along them
01:34 wizzyrea in rural kansas
01:34 wizzyrea and telephone too but
01:34 wizzyrea you're right, they do bury the electric lines now
01:33 wizzyrea telephone poles maybe?
01:33 wizzyrea hehe naw
01:33 jcamins Are they like... giant Van de Graaf generators? :P
01:33 * jcamins scratches his head... what?
01:33 wizzyrea gently rolling mounds.
01:33 wizzyrea more like mounds.
01:33 wizzyrea lawrence area is hilly-ish
01:33 dcook Mmm, my favourite
01:33 wizzyrea electric poles.
01:33 dcook Road signs.
01:32 dcook It was a lot like Saskatchewan. Flat. Lots of wheat. Roads.
01:32 * dcook tries to remember his brief time in Kansas
01:32 dcook That's cool, wizzyrea!
01:32 dcook Over 88,000 more people than my home town...that might be why as well...
01:31 wizzyrea lawrence is a cool town :)
01:31 wizzyrea yap.
01:31 * dcook hadn't even heard of sushi in Saskatchewan until he was 19
01:31 dcook Sushi in Kansas?
01:31 wizzyrea sorry...
01:31 wizzyrea I made sushi in college, and off and on through my 20's :P
01:30 dcook I wouldn't have done it if she hadn't thought of it
01:30 dcook It is rather rare!
01:30 jcamins Hehe.
01:30 dcook hehe
01:30 dcook The Eatery in Vancouver, while over-priced and ridiculously over-hyped, does have interesting names and tasty foods
01:29 jcamins Oh, sure, just upstage me and burst my bubble about being the first person I know who has made sushi. :P
01:29 dcook salmon and mango
01:29 * dcook personally quite enjoys S&M rolls
01:29 dcook Yeah, I used to make quite a bit of sushi with the ex. Always a good time.
01:29 jcamins Well, plus the rice.
01:28 jcamins And it took about twenty minutes to make.
01:28 jcamins dcook: it was amazing.
01:28 * dcook really wants sushi now...
01:26 dcook hehe
01:26 * mtj tickles wahanui's tummy
01:25 mtj thats were all teh magic happenzz
01:24 wizzyrea hah
01:24 jcamins :P
01:24 jcamins They make me giggle, and that's important when I'm RM.
01:24 mtj yeah, me too ^^
01:24 jcamins I especially like the weird ones.
01:24 wizzyrea sometimes they're just weird.
01:24 wizzyrea i like them when they're apropos
01:23 wizzyrea heh
01:23 jcamins Personally, I like wahanui's interjections.
01:23 jcamins Hehe.
01:23 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot not all
01:23 wizzyrea forget not all
01:23 wahanui not all are active in the community now
01:23 wizzyrea but not all!
01:23 wizzyrea sugar + cornstarch = many types of powdered or icing sugar
01:22 jcamins However, since most recipes call for 1 oz of chocolate (i.e. ~20 pieces) and cocoa powder + sugar + cornstarch, it didn't occur to me to make that correction.
01:22 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot yea
01:22 wizzyrea forget yea
01:22 wizzyrea ohh
01:22 jcamins Yeah, it should have been 12 *ounces* of chocolate chips, not twelve pieces.
01:22 wahanui yea is better to not get attached to a specific koha version >.>
01:22 wizzyrea oh yea?
01:21 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, by the way, I got the answer on the issue with the hot fudge.
01:21 jcamins But a really, really good California roll and Philadelphia roll.
01:21 wizzyrea ah cool yum
01:21 jcamins wizzyrea: just California roll and Philadelphia roll.
01:20 wizzyrea what kind of sushi?
01:19 jcamins Thanks.
01:19 dcook jcamins: That thought crossed my mind last night on the bus. I'll send it on over.
01:19 jcamins Only ten showed up.
01:19 jcamins When I was in Morocco I made Thanksgiving dinner for 25 people.
01:19 dcook !!!
01:19 * jcamins would do it, too!
01:19 jcamins lol
01:19 dcook rangi: Perhaps instead of a community kitchen at Kohacon, we should all just group together and have Jared cook for everyone :p
01:19 jcamins dcook: I need Edmund's name and e-mail address so I can give him credit for that patch. I'm going to amend it to make him the author.
01:19 dcook :D
01:15 jcamins Really, really good sushi, too.
01:15 jcamins Move over, Jiro, jcamins has started making sushi!
01:15 mtj hmmm, looks like z39 settings for tepuna are marc8, not utf
01:09 dcook thanks, mtj :)
01:09 dcook Sweet :D
01:06 mtj ...works ok, without a user/pwd
01:06 mtj Database Name: voyager
01:06 mtj Port: 7190
01:06 mtj Address: nlnzcat.natlib.govt.nz
01:03 mtj there is some public z39, i think…
01:02 mtj aah, ok
00:58 dcook "The National Bibliographic database is available to Te Puna subscribers via Z39.50"
00:58 dcook http://lianzaitsig.pbworks.com/w/page/58013907/Z39%2050%20Connection%20Information
00:58 dcook I was meaning for z39.50 though
00:58 dcook Thanks, mtj
00:56 mtj http://lists.vuw.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nz-libs
00:54 dcook Hmm, do you have to subscribe to the natlib of nz?
00:53 rangi yeah thats what i had to do :)
00:52 dcook I suppose you could build in your own delay/timeout
00:52 dcook Eeep
00:51 rangi (LOC have yaz proxy out in front of their one to save it, but i popped the natlib of nz once)
00:51 rangi voyagers one is super easy to do
00:51 rangi not to overwhelm the z3950 server
00:50 rangi you have to be careful tho
00:50 rangi yeah
00:49 dcook Admittedly, it would probably be easier to do them as a batch and then edit the marc records as necessary after the fact
00:48 dcook Just the first result?
00:48 dcook How do you select the record?
00:48 dcook I've pondered that a bit recently
00:48 rangi then do them all in a batch
00:48 rangi so you can scan the isbn into a file
00:48 rangi i have some scripts that can fetch a bunch and make marc records
00:47 dcook will = would*
00:47 dcook But this will certainly help
00:47 dcook I was wondering how I was going to do the Z39.50 searches
00:47 dcook Mhm
00:47 rangi and less likely to typo
00:46 dcook I am an absurdly fast typist, but...the barcode scanner would certainly save my fingers and the keypad..
00:45 rangi if you can scan the isbn in
00:45 dcook Good call
00:45 rangi it will save you a crap ton of time
00:45 rangi or the like
00:45 dcook O_O
00:45 rangi from dicksmith
00:45 rangi buy a cheap barcode scanner
00:45 rangi :)
00:45 dcook I figure getting Koha running at home using packages will incentivize me to catalogue my home collection which will finally give me an excuse to unpack the study...
00:44 dcook Thanks, rangi :)
00:43 dcook I'm just getting a cheap box that I'm going to be running everything on at home but that's very good to know :D
00:43 dcook Mmm, right. I've seen the instructions for that
00:43 rangi ie in you koha-sites config file you can point to a db server anywhere
00:42 rangi so it doesnt install that by default
00:42 rangi but you might have your mysqlserver on a different machine
00:42 rangi they install zebra and apache
00:42 rangi only mysql
00:41 dcook They'll find and install missing Perl dependencies though?
00:41 dcook You still need to install apache, mysql, and zebra before even trying the packages, yes?
00:40 dcook Quick question about packages...
00:37 rangi the bug is clicking that without reading it :)
00:37 rangi yeah
00:31 mtj its telling you that something very important needs to be done, on, your koha
00:31 mtj also, the automatic redirection to the update page is a *feature*, not a bug
00:28 mtj heh , i just realised i typed the same thing as chris ^^
00:21 jcamins I am done with responding.
00:21 jcamins mtj: that's why I included the "I'll close this discussion..."
00:21 mtj hopefully those 3 replies will be the end of that very stupid thread
00:19 dcook Very well worded
00:19 dcook jcamins++
00:18 tcohen bye #koha, pasta time :-D
00:17 tcohen it was an uppercut jcamins
00:15 jcamins mtj: I'm sure I didn't see that comi-wait.
00:15 mtj hes pretty quiet about that cock-up
00:15 mtj if you read very carefully, Paul reveals that he did upgrade his codebase to 3.8.10 - and forgot
00:14 dcook Need a bot named murphy
00:14 rangi :-)
00:14 rangi now someone will probably ask for automatic upgrades
00:14 rangi so between those 3 emails, hopefully that ends the misinformation campaign
00:13 rangi you have to click upgrade
00:13 rangi its only an automatic page telling you you need to upgrade
00:13 rangi just clarifying again, that it is not an automatic upgrade
00:12 tcohen jcamins, your mail is not abrasive, its a good response
00:12 rangi replied to yours
00:11 mtj aah, i sent a reply 30 mins ago, but forgot to CC it to the list...
00:08 jcamins That was a rather abrasive e-mail, but I don't see any way to not be abrasive.
00:08 jcamins Right, I'm done.