Time Nick Message 00:00 rangi put them there 00:00 rangi with a txt file that tells people to get them from there 00:02 alohabot Hi mib_ed4en6, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 00:03 mtj ok, ill just pass then :) 00:04 mib_ed4en6 hi all. I'm having trouble getting my overdue notices to include the fine for each item, or even just an overall fine for the patron. I'm running 3.10.4 and will update today/tomorrow. Is it infact possible to have the fine amount included in the overdue notices? 00:04 rangi yep 00:05 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 00:05 huginn` 04Bug 8378: major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 00:05 rangi fix is in 3.10.5 00:05 rangi <<items.fine>> is what you need 00:05 rangi when you have upgraded 00:05 mib_ed4en6 i've used <item>......<fine>USD</fine> </tem> 00:06 rangi yes, that won't work 00:06 rangi you can read that full bug report if you like :) 00:06 mib_ed4en6 Great.. so i can just stick <<items.fine>> between the <item></item> ? 00:06 rangi no 00:06 rangi not until you upgrade 00:07 rangi and the upgrade will fix your fine notices 00:07 mib_ed4en6 I'll definitley read the bug, I meant after the upgrade, sorry. 00:07 rangi ahh you shouldnt need to 00:07 rangi the upgrade should fix that <fine> syntax for you 00:08 rangi but yes if not what you said will work 00:08 mib_ed4en6 Thank you very much :) 00:47 rangi mtj: dont we already have a perltidyrc ? 00:48 rangi guess not 00:48 mtj heh, we do :) 00:49 mtj but… its old, outdated and incorrect 00:49 rangi ahh we should update the bug then 00:50 rangi done 00:50 rangi it's now update perltidyrc file 00:50 rangi so i dont get confused again :) 00:51 mtj fyi: i didnt realise any of that until now (or had forgotten?) 00:53 mtj lol - if i had worded the bug title better, it would have been pushed without question 00:54 rangi *nod* 01:04 eythian didn't we decide on a perltidy that was only very slightly different from the standard perltidy defaults with PBP defaults? 01:04 eythian there was a bit of a discussion about it a while back 01:04 mtj chris, i think your 9949 patch blew up the qa-tool.pl :D 01:05 eythian actually, turns out I've been using exactly the defaults provided by perltidy. 01:05 mtj eythian, we decided on the default (wall) style, i think 01:06 eythian what's 'wall'? It's not defined in the man page. 01:06 eythian you mean perlstyle? 01:06 mtj yeah 01:07 eythian OK, that's exactly the default, so a perltidyrc isn't necessary. 01:07 mtj yep, pretty much :) 01:08 eythian so I guess you can just provide a file that says '# This file intentionally left blank' 01:09 mtj yep, or delete the file, or add a longhand version 01:10 mtj i thought a 'longhand' version would be informative, for the curious :) 01:12 mtj but, yeah, its a bit of a silly patch really - a very verbose no-op :) 01:54 * jcamins has successfully implemented something using IndexedDB. It's a miracle! 01:55 jurgens Hi, I was on here earlier today, and thanks for the help with including fines in overdue notices. As a side question, I usually include a count to say that you have x amount of late items and then give a more detailed list of the items.. is it possible to include a you have a total of x fines as well? 01:55 jurgens I'm happy with a fine per item list/summary.. just wondering if you could total the fine in the notice too? 01:55 jcamins jurgens: I think there may be a patch adding that which has not yet been tested for inclusion in Koha yet. 01:56 jcamins I'm not sure, though. 01:56 jurgens Ok, thanks. Its more just a convenience thing I think than essential, but thanks for letting me know. 02:06 mtj hmm, i dont think a total for fines or number-of-items exists yet 02:06 mtj would be handy 02:11 jcamins mtj: as I said, I think there may be a new patch for that, but I don't know what its status is. 02:12 mtj ok, i didnt think even a patch existed 02:17 mtj woah, giant squid -> http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/8609575/Giant-squid-washes-up-on-coast 02:23 wizzyrea whoa 02:23 wizzyrea only 1m tho, smaller than the one at Te Papa 02:23 wizzyrea still that's a lot of calamari :P 02:31 mtj the 2nd pic is impressive 02:33 wizzyrea *nod* 02:33 wizzyrea does it seem there are more of these washing up? 02:33 wizzyrea i thought there was another one a month or so ago too 02:35 wizzyrea keke http://www.ted.com/talks/edith_widder_how_we_found_the_giant_squid.html 02:49 mtj cool, will watch that one 02:55 wizzyrea it's really cool, totally worth the 8 minutes 04:42 eythian hi cait 04:43 cait hi eythian :) 05:18 wizzyrea dcook about? 05:18 dcook Ish 05:19 dcook What's up, wizzyrea? 05:19 wizzyrea were you looking at the strange displacement of book covers caused by the local cover images? 05:19 * dcook ponders 05:19 dcook Not caused by local covers, me thinks 05:20 wizzyrea but you were looking at strange displacements caused by book covers or lack thereof? 05:20 dcook I was looking at the displacement/deletion of local cover images by Amazon images 05:20 dcook Yep 05:20 wizzyrea what was the bug number for that? 05:20 wizzyrea if you remember 05:20 * wizzyrea is looking at something similar, would rather not duplicate work if possible 05:20 dcook Should be bug 9737, I think 05:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists 05:21 * cait waves 05:21 * dcook waves to cait :) 05:21 dcook bug 8264 05:21 dcook also in relation to IE 05:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Passed QA , local cover images not working in IE8 05:22 dcook @later tell jcamins Yeah, it's fine if you give Edmund credit for 8264 05:22 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 05:22 cait eythian: could you take a look at 10084 too maybe? 05:23 dcook I also opened 9991 05:23 dcook a while ago in regards to de-duplicating the "no cover image" graphics, but I haven't done any work on it yet 05:23 cait dcook: before you start on the plugins - we got a patch that will change the data structure there 05:23 cait to fix translatability 05:24 eythian cait: I can try to 05:24 eythian just reading the patch it looks good to me 05:24 cait that would be aswesome 05:24 cait feel free to use your superpower on it 05:24 eythian but I might put it off for a while, I'm super busy right now 05:24 dcook cait: the plugins? 05:24 wahanui the plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they? 05:24 cait (passing it that is) 05:24 cait dcook: 008 etc. - your recent bug report :) 05:24 dcook Ahh 05:25 dcook I think I might be a bit out of my depth on that one anyway :p 05:25 dcook I was mostly putting it out there in the hopes that someone more familiar with that part of Koha might have some ideas 05:25 dcook But yes, noted ^_^ 05:25 dcook wizzyrea: What's the issue that you're encountering? 05:25 cait dcook: did you see jared's question on the ie bug .... i think it was in chat 05:26 dcook Yep. He had huginn remind me 05:26 cait ok 05:26 wizzyrea something different than that - it looks like if you add, then delete a local cover image it still thinks one exists -- but I'm not 100% certain that's true 05:26 wizzyrea yet* 05:26 dcook Mmm, that sounds familiar 05:27 dcook I seem to remember someone mentioning having troubles trying to delete or replace local cover images 05:27 wizzyrea :) yea I think I thought it was you 05:27 dcook Hmm. Don't see anything in our local bug db though... 05:38 * eythian does some benchmarking under different conditions and finds that running with memcache roughly doubles the time for a request. 05:38 eythian I wonder why. 05:39 eythian I wonder if it forces the mod_perl to get restarted every time, but that doesn't make sense either... 05:55 * magnuse waves 05:55 cjh eythian: wow, that is unexpected. 05:55 cjh hey magnuse :) 05:56 magnuse hiya cjh 05:56 cait hi magnuse and cjh 05:56 cjh good evening cait :) 05:57 cait bugs in qa queue down to 16! yay! 05:57 cait wonder for how long... it always jumps back to 20 when I turn my back on it 05:57 cjh heh 06:00 cait hmm 06:00 cait sometimes when we click on the 'open in opac link' I get a perl error in the opac 06:00 wizzyrea cjh++ for writing all the things down 06:00 cait reloading the pag then brings up the record 06:01 cait and now of course i can't reproduce it 06:01 cait *sigh* 06:01 cait has anyone else seen this? 06:01 dcook I thought I saw that today, cait 06:01 dcook But yeah, when I tried a second time, it was fine 06:01 cait i have seen it on our install at work, and at least once on my dev install 06:01 dcook I figured that I just clicked on a different link or that I was imagining things 06:02 cait hm I don't think you have 06:02 cait but a bit sparse for filing a bug report 06:04 eythian cait: the logs will tell you 06:04 cjh wizzyrea: oh what did I write down that was helpful this time? 06:04 cait yeah, but will need uli for that, can't reproduce it hee 06:04 cait here 06:04 wizzyrea the same thing you wrote down before I left last week :) 06:05 wizzyrea packagey things 06:05 cjh glad it was helpful :) 06:26 * dcook wonders what the "Accounts" module is... 06:26 dcook In the Guided Report Wizard 06:27 eythian fines and stuff I would guess. 06:28 dcook Me too, but I wonder how Koha thinks about it 06:28 dcook I always write my own reports. I wonder what the user experience for the guided wizard is like... 06:29 eythian a bit weird and complicated, in my limited experience. 06:31 dcook Mhm 06:34 cait serials code is a bit messy 06:35 magnuse shocking! ;-) 06:36 christophe_c hello #koha 06:38 wizzyrea guided reports? it's scary. it's good for getting you kind of close to a report you might wnt to use. They almost always require tweaking 06:38 wizzyrea though 06:39 dcook Seems like it. I suppose it depends on what you want to report. 06:40 cait wizzyrea: no I just meant serials :) 06:41 cait but guided reports is messy too 06:41 cait argh 06:41 wizzyrea oh hi cait :) 06:41 wahanui hi cait :) are you around ? 06:41 cait should be reading back :) 06:41 wizzyrea hehehe all ok 06:41 cait sorry 06:42 cait working through a list of notes from my coworker and answering the question which issues show on the issues tab in serials subscription details turned out to be quite hard to explain 06:42 cait bug 10142 06:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10142 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Unclear which issues show on subscription details issues tab 06:43 dcook Mmm 06:43 dcook I think I might've written a patch for that.. 06:44 dcook I think they're being displayed based on...a date perhaps...rather than their enumeration 06:44 drojf good morning #koha 06:45 dcook morning drojf 06:45 drojf hi dcook 06:45 reiveune hello 06:45 cait dcook: sorting is off too - but the question was which issues display at all... and that's complicated too 06:46 cait not sure I agree with things like this being so complicated 06:46 cait morning drojf :) 06:46 * dcook is looking through the bug now 06:46 dcook Yeah, I see what you're saying now 06:46 cait bit insane, right? 06:46 drojf hi cait :) 06:46 wahanui hi cait :) are you around ? 06:46 drojf hehe 06:46 cait nope wahanui, leaving for work :) 06:46 cait bye all :) 06:48 wizzyrea OMG I hve been working on that too the fracking serials sorting 06:48 wizzyrea please someone let me know if you sort it 06:49 * eythian clicks on a column header and calls it sorted. 06:49 wizzyrea is not so easy smartie 06:51 magnuse lol 06:54 dcook wizzyrea: I swear that I looked at this before 06:54 dcook But I can't see any notes now.. 06:56 dcook So are we talking the "Subscriptions" tab on the detail pages? 06:57 dcook or opac-serial-issues.pl? 06:58 dcook Side note: I bought a new book on Friday and took it to a friend's engagement party...forgot it at the bar 06:58 jajm hello 06:58 dcook Bought another copy on Saturday...took it to a friend's birthday party...forgot it in my friend's bag (who kept it so I wouldn't forget it at the bar) 06:58 dcook Today I have no book... 06:58 dcook hi jajm :) 06:59 rangi is it client side sorting? 06:59 dcook cait: What is the "serials subscription detail page"? 06:59 dcook Wait... 06:59 * dcook realizes that cait is gone 07:00 dcook rangi: I think the only place there is client side sorting is... 07:00 dcook opac-serial-issues.pl?selectview=full 07:00 rangi k 07:01 rangi mostly the problem is ppl can put whatever the hell they want in the enumeration 07:01 dcook I'm pretty sure it doesn't do any sorting 07:01 dcook Well.. 07:01 rangi and sorting that in any kind of useful well is impossible 07:01 dcook Sorts by serialid probably 07:01 dcook Hmm, perhaps 07:01 rangi leading spaces, punctuation 07:01 rangi etc 07:01 dcook Ahhh 07:01 dcook yeah 07:01 dcook For sure 07:01 dcook What I meant before is.. 07:01 rangi so we try and do something tricky and make it worse :) 07:01 dcook You should have the most recent enumeration 07:02 dcook So rather than Vol 1, 2, 3 07:02 dcook You should have Vol 6, 5, 4 07:02 dcook And while we can't control the enumeration 07:02 eythian really, we should just turn off sorting on that column. It's not a meaningful thing to do, but by having the option, people think it must be. 07:02 dcook We can control other factors 07:02 rangi yeah 07:02 dcook O_o 07:02 dcook Mmm 07:02 * dcook is looking at 3.8 07:02 dcook I assume more sorting was added? 07:02 dcook client-side? 07:03 rangi i think so 07:03 eythian yeah 07:03 dcook Mmm 07:03 alex_a bonjour 07:03 dcook Well, I think the server side sort is still off 07:04 dcook salut alex_a 07:04 rangi its always going to be 07:05 dcook Not if you sort by planned date desc 07:05 rangi but you could have a syspref to make it recent first, or recent last 07:05 dcook Planned date being the receival date 07:05 rangi yeah but sometimes ppl receive 3 07:05 rangi then 2 07:05 rangi cos 2 got lost 07:05 rangi in the mail 07:05 rangi or never sent 07:05 dcook I suppose recent does become somewhat relative then 07:05 rangi yeah 07:05 dcook Do we mean recent receival or recent publishing 07:05 dcook Hmm 07:06 rangi it gets mental fast 07:06 dcook Touché ;) 07:06 rangi maybe chose order by receiveddate dest 07:06 dcook I suppose you could use the.. 07:06 rangi c 07:06 rangi or planneddate desc 07:06 dcook Mhm 07:06 dcook It looks like I did write a patch as I have descending on my 3.8 07:07 * dcook wishes he had more time 07:07 wizzyrea and then there's the whole "enumerations are human enterable" thing >.< 07:08 wizzyrea it makes me want to run screaming in circles until I run into a wall and fall down 07:08 dcook That describes my day 07:08 dcook Actually, my day was more...why doesn't Koha act like this other system? 07:08 dcook This other system does this 07:08 dcook Although...it was fun pointing out how the other system actually didn't really achieve its set out goal 07:10 rangi thats the least persuasive argument ever, koha should do this cos some other system does it 07:11 * rangi goes to make a wallpaper 07:11 dcook D'accord 07:11 dcook You don't even want to hear about some of the other madness 07:12 dcook @later tell jcamins Happy belated birthday, btw 07:12 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded. 07:14 wizzyrea hehe we thrive on madness :) 07:14 wizzyrea @uote get 123 07:14 huginn` wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 07:14 wizzyrea @quote get 123 07:14 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 07:14 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 07:15 rangi speaking of mad 07:15 rangi i read this today 07:15 rangi http://boingboing.net/2012/05/10/libraries-set-out-to-own-their.html 07:16 huginn` GERMS!!!! 07:16 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 07:16 rangi and it made me angry 07:16 rangi hey kf 07:16 * dcook is one paragraph in and now confused.. 07:16 dcook hola kf 07:17 magnuse rangi: "industry-standard DRM"? 07:17 rangi exactly 07:17 rangi i thought yay libraries doing it right 07:17 rangi then read it 07:17 gaetan_B hello 07:17 rangi and went boo, thats crap 07:17 magnuse yeah 07:17 rangi hiya gaetan_B 07:18 dcook "the application of industry-standard DRM on the library’s files; multiple purchases based on demand; and a “click to buy†feature" is the part that stands out to me 07:18 dcook rangi: When I first read the link URL, I figured it would be something you love 07:18 magnuse i'm working on a project that tries to get it right - based on unencrypted ePub: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/Ebooksforlib 07:18 rangi yeah, how is it any different 07:18 dcook mhm 07:18 rangi than overdrive 07:18 rangi answer is .. its not 07:19 rangi magnuse: yay!! 07:19 dcook magnuse: Oslo public library. Nice! 07:19 rangi and combine that with opds 07:19 rangi as a nice distribution mechanism 07:20 magnuse how is that article describing a "revolutionary distribution model"? 07:20 rangi https://gitorious.org/koha/mainline/commit/356eaf610ece6a690e40f43395cb38a3992b214d 07:20 rangi magnuse: it's not 07:20 magnuse dcook: Oslo public library are doing a lot of cool things 07:20 rangi you are welcome to use that template if it is any use for you 07:21 magnuse rangi: cool! i just might do that 07:21 wizzyrea yea it's supposed to be great but just ends up being bleh. 07:21 wizzyrea more of the same. 07:21 magnuse dcook: not the least of which is https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf 07:22 dcook Once upon a time, I worked for a library that talked about hosting its own ebooks, but...I don't think anything came of it 07:22 rangi yeah that is sweet magnuse 07:22 wizzyrea ecause they can't get publishers to go along with it >.< 07:22 wizzyrea frackin content owners 07:23 magnuse another cool project from OPL, based on marc2rdf: http://digital.deichman.no/blog/2012/10/16/active-shelves/ 07:23 magnuse they even had the physical "stations" made by a local carpenter 07:24 rangi nice 07:25 dcook Looks neat, magnuse 07:25 magnuse and they are doing the development in house, so they have complete control of the project 07:25 magnuse i think it has been a very empowering experience for them 07:25 dcook :D 07:26 magnuse and they are doing *actual user testing* - something norwegian vendors never, ever do 07:28 dcook Sounds like Oslo is a pretty good place to be for libraries right now 07:28 * dcook wishes that Canada was doing more interesting things in libraries... 07:28 dcook Our national library is falling apart though 07:28 dcook The public libraries provide pretty good traditional services, but nothing too innovative that I've noticed 07:29 * dcook really needs to check out ALIA and see what's going on in Australia 07:29 magnuse one vendor launched a new opac some years ago, and i was invited to be one of the first to test. when we asked if they were going to test it on real users they said "sure, when it is a bit more finished"... 07:30 dcook I suppose you want to give a user a product with enough functions that they won't complain about things you're planning to offer 07:30 dcook But at the same time if you've developed too much, you back yourself into a corner and don't necessarily want to re-write your short-comings... 07:30 magnuse i think that second point is the central one, yes... 07:31 dcook Actually, even if you do want to re-write your shortcomings, deadlines don't always allow it... 07:31 dcook Hmm, in any case, I had best head off! 07:31 * dcook tried to install Debian on a box this weekend 07:32 dcook Bad RAM/motherboard...ended up freezing quite routinely 07:32 rangi yuck 07:32 dcook Got it installed at one point, but I couldn't download any packages of any kind 07:33 dcook I assume it was an issue with the install.. 07:33 dcook When I installed Debian on a VM on my laptop, worked like a dream 07:33 dcook Mind you, my internet connection was magnitudes quicker than this one... 07:34 dcook So I was able to use a mirror (since I only downloaded the 1st disk) 07:35 dcook Oh well. I'll buy a new box (the last ones were spares) and see if using functional equipment helps 07:35 dcook night all 07:35 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:56 wizzyrea dcook, I had issues like that when I stupidly tried to use i386 arch on an amd64 machine >.< 07:56 wizzyrea oh he's gone. 07:56 wizzyrea bother. 07:57 wizzyrea yay for embarrassing admissions! 07:57 * wizzyrea facepalms 07:57 rangi that works much better than the other way round 07:58 rangi with the exception of not being able to see all your ram that is 08:11 magnuse pft, ram - who needs it 08:12 rangi heh 08:38 wizzyrea i recall it didn't work well... but actually now that I'm thinking about it maybe it was the other way around, and I was doing amd64 on an i386... either way it was painful until I ejected the CD and noticed I'd put in the wrong one. (no, it wasn't one of my finer moments) 08:40 rangi yeah that totally wouldnt work the other way around 08:40 rangi but you can go down to 32 bit from 64 .. the other way is an issue :) 08:41 wizzyrea where in the db are the local cover images stored </lazyweb> 08:42 wizzyrea if anybody knows off of the top of their head 08:42 rangi not me 08:42 wizzyrea never mind! really obviously in ... biblioimages 08:43 wizzyrea derp 08:46 rangi interesting, but not really suprising 08:46 rangi updatedatebase is our most updated file 08:46 rangi 870 commits, 714 active days 08:46 * wizzyrea is not surprised by that either 08:46 wizzyrea we do lots of fiddling about in there. 08:47 rangi most edited module 08:47 rangi is my most hated 08:47 wizzyrea search? 08:47 wahanui search is for the patrons not the librarians 08:47 rangi C4/Search.pm................................. 445 353 08:47 wizzyrea kek 08:47 wizzyrea least edited? 08:48 wizzyrea probably the newest. 08:48 rangi theres a lot with 1 or 2 08:48 rangi interesting 08:48 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 08:50 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/liz.txt 08:51 wizzyrea ha 08:53 wizzyrea small compared to some people, but listed out like that, lots of good memories ^.^ 08:53 rangi yup :) 08:54 wizzyrea i had to revisit 6574 just today 08:56 kf wizzyrea: nice list :) 08:56 kf can I haz one too? :) 08:56 wizzyrea i'm sure there's one for you too :) 08:57 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/katrin.txt 08:58 kf yay! 08:58 kf rangi++ 08:58 rangi anyone else want one? 08:59 kf 310 :) 08:59 kf yay :) 09:03 drojf rangi: do mine please :) 09:04 drojf that should be small :D 09:05 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/mirko.txt 09:07 drojf thanks! even smaller than i thought ^^ 09:08 wizzyrea rangi++ those are fun 09:11 kf drojf: but lots of code in each, much more than in most of mine 09:11 kf I think the html5 one was quite big 09:12 drojf i think it was the coolest too :) and the one where i learned the most 09:12 magnuse rangi: yes please :-) 09:12 * magnuse is trying to catch up with wizzyrea in number of patches... 09:14 rangi 2 secs 09:15 kf drojf++ 09:16 magnuse hm, if jcamins pushes my two passed qa normarc patches before wizzyrea has anything more pushed we will be even :-) 09:16 kf funnily I think my first patch was probably my most complicated 09:17 kf bug 3464 09:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3464 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, borrowers table should contain country information for libraries with international patron populations 09:18 kf but I coudl follow |Lupin|'s steps 09:18 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/magnus.txt 09:18 magnuse rangi++ 09:20 magnuse bug 3751 was my first - it removed one char :-) 09:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3751 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, magnus, CLOSED FIXED, Typo in marc21_field_008.pl 09:21 magnuse it felt like a huge thing though - my first ever contribution to a free software project! 09:21 * magnuse wanders off to find lunch 09:21 kf :) 09:21 drojf :) 09:38 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/statistics.html 09:38 rangi the second table is interesting 09:38 * kf wanders off to find lunch too - meeting later 09:38 rangi Below are the number of rows from each author that have survived and are still intact in the current revision. 09:39 * kf checks 09:39 rangi its counting the .sql files too 09:40 rangi hence the big numbers for the ppl who do their language .sql ones 09:40 rangi but interesting nonetheless 09:41 rangi specially in light of the opensource article and copyright bit 09:41 kf heh :) 09:58 samuel hi everybody 09:59 magnuse rangi: yay for counting the sql files ;-) 09:59 rangi heh 10:00 samuel i've a question about git install. I've made one with git. When i make "git status", i'm on "v3.10.04'' branch but after installation,i've v3.11 10:01 mtj rangi++ woah nice!!! 10:04 rangi mtj: http://stats.workbuffer.org/statistics-perlonly.html 10:04 rangi (only looking at the .pl and .pm files) 10:04 mtj ... and the second table - ive never seen that stat before 10:05 rangi yeah its using git blame to work it out 10:05 rangi quite handy 10:06 wizzyrea highfive! 10:06 wahanui gimmie six! 10:06 mtj ive sometimes though of a script to add missing 'copyright' lines to each file in koha... 10:07 rangi i think a human would be better a script to find any without a header tho would be good 10:07 rangi then a human could git blame it 10:07 rangi and decide 10:08 rangi https://code.google.com/p/gitinspector/ 10:08 rangi have a play 10:08 rangi its fun 10:10 mtj yeah, that too… a script to add/update missing koha/gpl headers 10:12 mtj the added copyright lines on files like updatedatabase.pl could be a bit erm… excessive 10:12 mtj (one of the reasons why i never got round to doing it) 10:19 rangi oh thats there already 10:19 rangi the gpl one 10:19 rangi and the fsf address 10:20 rangi look in xt/ 10:20 mtj ah yep 10:21 mtj so, when you say 'without header' - you mean something else? 10:22 mtj without any copyright line(s)? 10:23 rangi yep, it should check that too 10:23 rangi it just needs to be updated to not baulk on gpl3 10:23 rangi find-license-problems 10:24 rangi $hasv2 = 1 if ($line =~ /either version 2/); 10:24 rangi that line 10:24 rangi to do /either version (2|3)/ 10:24 rangi oughta do it 10:25 mtj … and the all important 'or later' bit, too :) 10:25 rangi thats already there 10:25 rangi $hasorlater = 1 if ($line =~ /any later version/ || 10:25 rangi :) 10:27 mtj derp 10:28 wizzyrea hehe 10:31 rangi hmm i found some with bad FSF addresses 11:01 mtj heres a nice side-project idea... 11:01 mtj create some custom perlcritic policies for koha, based on the coding guidelines 11:01 mtj those -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 11:02 mtj then perlcritic could whizz thru the codebase, and find errors 11:02 mtj and detect new errors being added too 11:05 magnuse mtj: yeah, feel free to do that ;-) 11:05 mtj … would be very handy for spotting template and js bugs 11:06 mtj js syntax bugs that break translation, etc 11:07 mtj heres some perlcritic doco, for the curious -> http://search.cpan.org/~thaljef/Perl-Critic-1.118/lib/Perl/Critic/DEVELOPER.pod 11:08 mtj no idea how tricky it is 11:11 magnuse only one way to find out :-) 11:11 mtj yeah - i'm keen to try, at least 11:13 magnuse yay! 11:40 drojf crossposting-- 11:40 vfernandes hi people :) 11:41 vfernandes can anyone help me? I'm having a problem when importing z39.50 records All arguments must be MARC::Field objects at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 150. 11:43 vfernandes Koha 3.10.2 11:54 vfernandes solved: z3950NormalizeAuthor z3950AuthorAuthFields off .D 12:00 mtj vfernandes, still sounds like a bug tho :( 12:01 jcamins I think it's fixed in 3.10.4. 12:02 jcamins Bug 5333. 12:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Undefined value stops import from z39.50 12:07 mtj awesome :) 12:23 jcamins mtj: isn't it a bit late for you? 12:26 mtj ..zzzZZZ 12:26 mtj just about to head to bed, now 12:34 oleonard The trouble with these New Zealanders setting birthday topics is you can never be sure what day they're talking about... 12:36 magnuse oleonard: jcamins was 28th, according to teh facebooks 12:37 magnuse jcamins: happy belated birthday! 12:37 oleonard Yes, happy belated birthday jcamins 12:38 jcamins Thanks. 12:38 * oleonard congratulates jcamins on being old enough to drink now, even if he doesn't want to 12:38 jcamins lol 12:38 * jcamins was the first person in all his friends to be allowed to legally drink... three days after my 18th birthday I went on a trip to a country with a drinking age of 18. 12:39 magnuse sounds like it was carefully planned... 12:39 jcamins Hehe. 12:39 jcamins That was not part of my reasoning, actually. 12:41 magnuse yeah, right ;-) 12:41 tcohen morning magnuse jcamins 12:41 druthb o/ 12:41 jcamins Ohhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! My eyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!! 12:41 * jcamins is looking at acq. 12:41 magnuse lol 12:41 * druthb blinks. 12:42 magnuse there be monsters 12:42 magnuse hiya tcohen 12:42 druthb glad you clarified, jcamins. thought I'd startled you or something. 12:42 jcamins Hehe. 12:42 jcamins Well, that was a kind of pointy hand wave. You could've poked my eye out with that! :P 12:42 druthb :P 12:44 oleonard Nothing like some acquisitions to get your Monday started right eh jcamins? 12:44 jcamins oleonard: something like that. 12:47 jcamins The horror, the horror. 12:49 magnuse patches are welcome ;-) 12:49 jcamins magnuse: why do you think I'm looking at it? :P 12:49 jcamins Certainly not for my health! 12:51 magnuse well, some people like to jump off cliffs with only a piece of fabric to keep them safe... 12:52 talljoy jcamins i'm happy to interrupt with a question about your favorite subject->authorities. 12:52 jcamins Oh, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 12:52 talljoy ol 12:52 jcamins talljoy: sure. 12:52 talljoy lol 12:52 jcamins Acq is not Plack-safe. 12:52 talljoy quick one. is this a 'normal' error when running the linker: http://pastebin.com/RfaVZn0G 12:52 jcamins I don't know how I ever tested anything. 12:53 jcamins talljoy: yes. I thought I had patched that, but I've definitely seen it before. 12:53 talljoy i'm reading it that there is just no link. which is what i expected for all these newer bibs. 12:53 jcamins Right. 12:54 jcamins So, apparently I never understood what receiving items in acquisitions was supposed to do, because it doesn't work under Plack. 12:55 * jcamins narrowly talks himself out of filing a bug "receiving items causes Plack nosebleeds." 12:59 jcamins On the subject of which, I would just like to point out to everyone that y'all elected me to be the one to write the release notes. 13:07 magnuse guess we'll just have to live with it... 13:08 jcamins Or, if you want release notes that take the features they describe seriously, you could write parts yourself. :P 13:09 magnuse lolwhat? 13:09 jcamins magnuse: you've seen my bug reports. 13:09 jcamins You're going to get 40 pages of release notes written in the same style! Bwahahaha! 13:09 magnuse hehe 13:09 * magnuse starts to look forward to the release notes 13:10 vfernandes another question: OPAC and intranet XSLT, where should I put the files locally in the server? 13:11 jcamins vfernandes: I think in the same directory the default ones are in, but I'm actually not sure. 13:12 vfernandes and then put the name in the sysprefs? 13:12 jcamins That is my understanding. 13:13 vfernandes let me try it 13:19 magnuse "put a path to define a xslt file" - i interpret that as saying that an absolute path should work 13:22 druthb hi, libsysguy! :) 13:22 libsysguy heya Ruthie :) 13:22 libsysguy I made a newb mistake on friday 13:22 libsysguy well two really 13:22 druthb oh? 13:22 libsysguy but one is really costing me time today 13:22 druthb >.< 13:22 libsysguy yeah…i forgot to increment the counter in my script 13:23 druthb whoa! 13:23 libsysguy so I had close to a billion rows in a rel table this morning 13:23 libsysguy *sigh* 13:23 druthb lol 13:23 jcamins libsysguy: at least it wasn't running on a production server. 13:24 libsysguy true that 13:26 tcohen how does it read?: "Instance XX disabled. No action taken." 13:29 tcohen anyone please? 13:29 wahanui i heard anyone was free to organize one at any time :-) 13:29 jcamins tcohen: what? 13:30 tcohen "Instance XX disabled. No action taken." 13:30 tcohen sounds ok? 13:30 jcamins Oh! 13:30 jcamins Yes. 13:30 tcohen thx 13:30 jcamins I thought that was a question about what "it" currently said. 13:30 tcohen i have issues with my english heh 13:31 jcamins No, your question was perfectly idiomatic. I just didn't understand it. :) 13:32 tcohen :) 13:42 huginn` GERMS!!!! 13:42 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg 13:43 jcamins more marc? 13:43 jcamins let's add more work? 13:43 jcamins let's add more marc? 13:43 jcamins should we have more marc? 13:44 libsysguy this is turning into quite the haiku 13:44 jcamins lol 13:44 kf we shoudl use more marc 13:44 kf we should use more marc 13:44 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 13:45 libsysguy http://www.ainself.net/irony/macros/donotwant.jpg 13:46 druthb kf++ libsysguy++ 13:49 libsysguy :D 13:51 jcamins @roll 3d6 13:51 huginn` jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes 13:51 jcamins @help 13:51 huginn` jcamins: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 13:51 jcamins @plugins 13:51 huginn` jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 13:51 jcamins @list plugins 13:51 huginn` jcamins: Error: 'plugins' is not a valid plugin. 13:51 jcamins @list 13:51 huginn` jcamins: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, Network, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, ReleaseDay, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather 13:52 oleonard @help Factoids 13:52 huginn` oleonard: Error: There is no command "factoids". 13:52 jcamins @dice 3d6 13:52 huginn` jcamins: 3, 4, and 5 13:52 jcamins @dice 3d20 13:52 huginn` jcamins: 3, 11, and 15 13:52 kf let me roll them... 13:53 kf @dice 3d6 13:53 huginn` kf: 1, 1, and 5 13:55 vfernandes XSLTResultsDisplay for Staff client works? 13:55 kf @dice 3d8 13:55 huginn` kf: 2, 6, and 1 13:55 kf vfernandes: yes 13:55 vfernandes nice :) 13:59 druthb hm. 13:59 druthb @dice 1d9 13:59 huginn` druthb: 3 13:59 druthb Wondered if it'd let you do that. 14:00 jcamins @dice 1d1 14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice can't have fewer than 3 sides. 14:00 jcamins Heh. 14:00 druthb :P 14:00 jcamins @dice 1de 14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> 14:00 jcamins That was in the form of sides! 14:00 jcamins Okay... 14:00 jcamins @dice 1dpi 14:00 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> 14:01 jcamins @dice 1dπ 14:01 huginn` jcamins: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> 14:01 druthb @dice 1d3.14 14:01 huginn` druthb: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> 14:01 * jcamins feels cheated. No irrational dice. 14:02 druthb no? Ever rolled a nine-sided die? That'd be pretty wonky. 14:02 jcamins druthb: not quite as irrational as π. 14:03 * kf rolls eyes at the 2 of you 14:10 * druthb rolls them back to kf. 14:10 kf heh 14:11 druthb can't have eyeballs rollin' around in here. Wouldn't be prudent. 14:17 jcamins oleonard: if a form does not have anything set in the action parameter, that means it submits to the current URL? 14:17 oleonard As far as I know that is what browsers do, I'm not sure that is in a spec somewhere 14:18 jcamins Thanks. 14:18 jcamins Probably we shouldn't rely on that behavior, even if it is in the spec, because it's hard to understand. 14:19 oleonard "The action and formaction content attributes, if specified, must have a value that is a valid non-empty URL potentially surrounded by spaces." 14:22 jcamins @quote get 123 14:22 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 14:22 huginn` jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 14:41 tcohen should koha-restart-zebra start instances that aren't already running? 14:41 tcohen maybe warn the user but start it anyway? 14:42 jcamins Yes, that's what init does. 14:42 tcohen ok. warn but start 14:42 tcohen thanks 14:42 oleonard Why do my language preferences list languages which I don't have installed? 14:42 tcohen because they are in the DB 14:42 jcamins oleonard: I don't know, but mine does that too on occasion. 14:43 jcamins I figured it was Plack, and ignored it. 14:43 oleonard They are languages which I have had installed in the past 14:44 gmcharlt fo@quote random 14:44 gmcharlt @quote random 14:44 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #207: "< eythian> It's OK, we can implement the RDA support in Perl 6." (added by chrisc at 12:00 AM, May 29, 2012) 14:44 gmcharlt *snicker* 14:45 tcohen heh 14:45 druthb @quote random 14:45 huginn` druthb: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009) 14:49 jcamins How much can be stored in a user's session? 14:53 tcohen on IndexDB? 14:53 jcamins tcohen: no, with CGI::Session. 14:54 tcohen jcamins, 'daemon' aborts if it doesn't find a pid upon --restart 14:54 tcohen i'll do a --start in that case to sort it out 14:55 jcamins tcohen: makes sense. 14:56 * tcohen wonders if these koha-* scripts shouldn't be distro agnostic and available to tar.gz users 14:56 jcamins Thoughts on storing the current search in the session, and using that for paging on the staff side? 14:58 oleonard Paging on the detail page like in the OPAC? 14:58 jcamins Right. 14:59 jcamins Only preferably working. 14:59 oleonard Oh, how is it broken in the OPAC? 14:59 jcamins Several ways. It can't be translated, it requires Javascript, it only lets you page a certain distance, and if you have long titles, it breaks. 15:01 kf jcamins: how is it stored in opac? in the cookie itself? 15:01 oleonard I support having all those things fixed and having it available in the staff client! 15:01 jcamins kf: yeah. 15:01 kf jcamins: I thinks ession is preferrable 15:02 jcamins Don't get me wrong, having it in the OPAC as it is is better than not having it at all, but if I'm going to talk to people about adding it on the staff side, I'd like to have it work better on the staff side. 15:02 kf next they will want it in opac 15:02 kf I like your plan ;) 15:02 jcamins :) 15:03 tcohen jcamins "Zebra appears to be stopped fro instance XX"? 15:03 kf for? :) 15:03 jcamins How about "Zebra does not appear to have been running for instance XX"? 15:03 kf tcohen++ 15:04 oleonard jcamins: Why "to have been" instead of "to be" ? 15:04 jcamins oleonard: because by the time you read the message, it's been started. 15:04 oleonard Got it. 15:05 jcamins oleonard: do we use optgroups in Koha, or do we try to avoid them? 15:05 jcamins I'm contemplating using optgroups for budget periods. 15:05 oleonard I think the only issue with them in the past was with translation, and that problem has been resolved. 15:06 oleonard I know of several existing uses 15:06 jcamins Thanks. 15:10 jcamins kf: what would you think of using optgroups for budget periods? 15:14 kf i think I could like that 15:14 Joubu jcamins: I developed something like that for bug 5336 I think 15:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Acq history search 15:14 kf Joubu: do you think if matts_away is around this week? 15:15 Joubu kf: he is away today. He will come back tomorrow 15:15 kf ah ok 15:15 kf i was hoping he might have a chance to look at the inventory patch again 15:16 jcamins Joubu: unfortunately, I have a lot of empty optgroups when I apply that patch. 15:16 jcamins Actually, I just have a lot of empty budgets. 15:16 jcamins So never mind. 15:17 kf jcamins: wondering, how will lock and active fit in there? 15:18 jcamins kf: I did not plan on giving the option of selecting inactive or locked budgets. 15:18 kf so they won't show - all ok for me 15:19 jcamins If you are receiving items and want to bill them against an inactive budget, you're doing it wrong! 15:19 kf agreed :) 15:19 kf different for search in history 15:19 jcamins Ditto locked. 15:19 jcamins Agreed. 15:42 Joubu bye #koha 15:42 oleonard Bye Joubu 15:44 kf cait? 15:44 wahanui go back to bed, cait. 15:44 kf cait? 15:44 wahanui go back to bed, cait. 15:44 kf cait? 15:44 wahanui cait is qam, not your secretary 15:44 kf aah. 15:45 druthb kf? 15:45 wahanui somebody said kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. 15:45 druthb kf? 15:45 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. 15:45 druthb heh 15:51 oleonard Seems like the best way to configure client-side table sorting to exclude articles like "a," "an," and "the" is to add the strings to the datatables-strings.inc configuration file 15:52 jcamins oleonard: ewwww. 15:52 oleonard ...rather than via a preference as I had originally thought 15:52 jcamins But, probably. 15:52 oleonard The main drawback to that is that translators will need to know *why* they have to translate a string like "a an the" 15:53 jcamins Right. 15:53 oleonard jcamins: We need a way to pass an arbitrary set of articles to the sorting function 15:53 kf gmcharlt++ 15:53 oleonard A preference would work too but only for one language 15:53 jcamins oleonard: I'm not saying that's not the best way to do it, just that it's a shame that's the best way. 15:55 oleonard kf: As a translator, do you think there is a way to address this possible confusion? 16:02 kf reading back 16:03 kf oleonard: not sure really if the translator woudl pick it up at all 16:03 kf if it's noly a text file that is 16:03 jcamins kf: it's javascript, like: var articles = _("a an the"); 16:03 oleonard Exactly 16:06 jcamins kf: I have a question. 16:07 jcamins If you are creating an order, and you have AcqCreateItems set to "when cataloging the record" but thenchange AcqCreateItems to "when receiving the order" before you've received the order, do you expect an item to be created when you receive the order or not? 16:09 tweetbot [off] twitter: @pierrevdk: "Comme chaque mois, la newsletter communautaire de Koha en français - http://t.co/NIGzDkc9wE #kohails" 16:11 jcamins oleonard: is there a reason why the select for "Vendor:" is offset a bit when creating a basket? 16:11 * oleonard looks 16:11 reiveune bye 16:12 gaetan_B bye ! 16:13 oleonard jcamins: Looks to me like the selects for billing place and delivery place are offset from the rest 16:13 jcamins Oh, in that case, there should be s before them too, I guess. 16:13 oleonard None of them should have 16:13 jcamins Oh. 16:13 jcamins In that case none of them should have s. 16:13 * jcamins is very flexible on this matter. 16:14 jcamins Just wondering if there was a reason. 16:14 oleonard I don't know why the was added. 16:19 jcamins oleonard: because non-breaking spaces are cool! 16:19 kf jcamins: have to leave - will look later 16:19 jcamins Okay. 16:22 drojf [off] [some snarky comment about »can use wiki« as a requirement for koha roles] 16:23 oleonard [off] Heh 16:23 oleonard [off] We'll add that to the list next time. Maybe some kind of test? 16:24 jcamins [off] If we simply enforce "must add self to slate," that would solve the problem. 16:24 drojf [off] jcamins: perfect! 16:24 oleonard Are there languages which *don't* exclude articles from sorting? Besides languages without articles I suppose? 16:25 drojf oleonard: i think you have both in german. sorting with and without the article 16:26 oleonard Whenever I see sorting done on "the" in an English language system I assume it's because they didn't know how to exclude it and/or are lazy jerks. 16:26 jcamins oleonard: none come to mind. Lots of languages which don't have articles at the beginning of words, but those that have recognizable articles at the beginning of the word all ignore them for sorting in my experience. 16:26 * jcamins too. 16:28 jcamins oleonard: what would you think about making the invoices table on the parcels page default to sorting in reverse chronological order? 16:28 oleonard Makes sense to me. 16:28 jcamins Wait. 16:28 jcamins It's supposed to be. 16:28 jcamins That's in the code. 16:28 jcamins It just doesn't work. 16:33 oleonard Bad date sort? 16:34 jcamins oleonard: not so much bad date sort as "trying to sort on a column that doesn't exist." 16:34 * jcamins blames copy-and-paste. 16:39 jcamins Okay... 16:39 jcamins now I'm confused. 16:40 jcamins wtf is that "Line" for? 16:42 oleonard ? 16:42 jcamins There's a column in that table with the heading "Line." 16:43 jcamins It is not ID, because it is always in ascending order. 16:43 oleonard I've seen the term "order line" used frequently, but I don't know what it means. 16:44 jcamins I always thought an "order line" was an order for a single item. 16:44 jcamins Huh. 16:44 jcamins The filter box on the side doesn't do anything. 16:45 jcamins Actually, it does. 16:45 jcamins You just can't change the number of results on a page. 16:57 oleonard Oh, you have to add "sign off" as the last step in your test plan?! That's where I've been going wrong! 16:57 jcamins oleonard: it amuses me. 16:57 * oleonard shouldn't talk, gets lots of generous signer-offers 16:59 cait jcamins: _ 17:00 cait wrong kezboard again 17:00 jcamins cait: If you are creating an order, and you have AcqCreateItems set to "when cataloging the record" but thenchange AcqCreateItems to "when receiving the order" before you've received the order, do you expect an item to be created when you receive the order or not? 17:01 cait hm 17:01 cait difficult 17:02 cait i think it would be nice if it worked that way i guess 17:02 cait but thats a candidate for an 123 thing... i might missing something here 17:03 cait hah i got the keyboard configured :) 17:03 druthb "When beetles fight these battles in a bottle with their paddles and the bottle's on a poodle and the poodle's eating noodles...they call this a muddle puddle tweetle poodle beetle noodle bottle paddle battle." 17:03 druthb If you can say that fast, you're ready to use acq. 17:04 jcamins Okay, I'll add an option four, "always obey current AcqCreateItems setting." 17:14 oleonard Re: Bug 10153, I'm proposing to hide *all* the patron search refine options instead of picking and choosing. 17:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10153 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Patron header search form is too wide 17:14 oleonard So by default show the text input, then click [+] to show more options (like search fields, type, library limit) 17:14 cait i like 17:14 oleonard Right now we show some and hide some 17:30 jcamins This oyster bisque came out superb. 17:32 jcamins So superb I think I want more. 17:39 cait cake? 17:39 wahanui hmmm... cake is a lie! 17:39 * druthb offers cait some cake. 17:40 cait icecream cake? 17:40 * druthb puts a scoop of ice cream next to the cake. 17:41 jcamins cait: oyster bisque. 17:41 cait hmm 17:41 cait that doesn't look right druthb 17:41 cait there has to be oreo crumble... and fudge icing 17:41 druthb hm. 17:41 druthb picky thing, aren't you? 17:41 cait well... 17:42 cait for it to be jared's icecream cake.. .but I will take your cake too 17:42 * druthb puts a couple of Oreos in the chopper, then pours the bits on top of the ice cream, followed by a drizzle of fudge. 17:42 cait :) 17:45 cait but... now what cake is that? 17:46 cait :P 17:46 cait okok 17:46 * cait will be good now and look into doing qa 17:54 jcamins Does anyone know how many patrons the "largest" Koha library has? 17:55 jcamins talljoy: you have some massive consortia. Any idea how many patrons the largest of those has? 17:55 talljoy one sec on phone 17:55 jcamins Sure. 17:55 jcamins Thanks. 18:00 talljoy sorry. jcamins yah, off the top my head i'd say the largest consortium has 200-300K patrons 18:00 jcamins talljoy: thanks. 18:01 jcamins So it's probably safe for me to say "most Koha libraries have well under 500k patrons." 18:01 talljoy might even be higher, but i'd have to dig for that information 18:01 talljoy but yes, *most* are under 500K 18:02 jcamins Items are a bit more problematic to choose a reasonable upper barrier for, of course, as there are consortia out there with 50m+ items. 18:05 jcamins 500000 * 50000000 18:05 wahanui 25000000000000 18:05 jcamins Oh, wahanui doesn't do exponent notation. 18:05 * jcamins counts zeroes. 18:08 druthb 10e4 * 15 18:08 druthb … apparently not. 18:08 tcohen 10^15 18:08 druthb 10**15 18:08 tcohen 10 :-P 15 18:08 druthb :P 18:08 rambutan 10^3 * 10^4 18:08 wahanui 16 18:09 maximep suuuuuuuuuure 18:09 druthb uhm... 18:09 rambutan 10^5 * 10^6 18:09 wahanui 62 18:09 rambutan I'm trying to figure that out... 18:10 druthb 10^3 * 10^3 18:10 wahanui 23 18:10 druthb okay. 23 is a *prime number*. no fair! 18:10 maximep o_O 18:11 druthb calc 10**3 18:11 druthb hm. appears to not be using Supybot's plugin for that. 18:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #329 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #329: SUCCESS in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/329/ 18:12 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add edit circ rule 18:12 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update group in pulldown 18:22 druthb 10 ** 3 18:22 * druthb scritches her head. 18:23 druthb wahanui appears to be an Infobot, but doesn't seem to want to do that. 18:23 wahanui druthb: what? 18:23 * druthb pokes wahanui 18:23 druthb wahanui: what is ten to the third power? 18:23 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, druthb 18:23 druthb wahanui: what is 10 percent of 15? 18:23 wahanui druthb: i don't know 18:23 druthb 10 percent of 15? 18:23 wahanui 1.5 18:23 druthb creeeeeepy. 18:24 druthb 10 to the third power? 18:24 * druthb goes "harrrumph!" 18:24 druthb square root of 4? 18:24 wahanui 2 18:24 druthb oho. 18:25 druthb square root of 2? 18:25 wahanui 1.4142135623731 18:25 druthb fair 'nuf. 18:25 druthb square root of -1? 18:25 druthb didn't think so. 18:25 * druthb was hoping for a smart-aleck remark, at least. 18:27 jcamins wahanui: square root of -1 is <reply> Don't get fresh with me! 18:27 wahanui OK, jcamins. 18:28 * druthb debates snapping jcamins with a rubber band. 19:32 cait hm 19:32 cait cannot place on hold - no copies are available to be placed on hold 19:32 cait and I don't see why... 19:33 cait can someoen throw a few ideas at me? 19:33 jcamins cait: you've been spending too much time talking to me? 19:33 cait I checked circulation rules for that library, patron category itemtype combination 19:33 cait allowonshelfholds is set to allow 19:33 oleonard IndependantBranches? 19:34 cait login branch = item home branch 19:34 cait but I am checking it anyway 19:34 cait it's off 19:35 cait maxreserves is set to 50 19:35 cait it would be quite nice if we could figure that out.... trying to test that holdsqueue bug 19:36 cait and nothing in the logs :( 19:44 cait oleonard: i suspect a bug there...but I can't put my finger on it 19:45 bgkriegel cait: are you trying to place a hold from opac results? 19:45 bgkriegel or details? 19:45 cait no, from staff 19:45 cait i have activated allosholdsoverride something now 19:45 bgkriegel same problem 19:45 cait but i think it shoould have been possible to place a hold without having to override it 19:45 cait for you? 19:46 bgkriegel I'm looking 19:47 bgkriegel a strange thing in opac, in search results there is a 'place hold', but in details page there isn't 19:47 cait I think the check on details might be stricter 19:47 cait but it feels like there is something seriously wrong here 19:47 bgkriegel could be 19:48 cait ... and my holds are not showing up in the holds_queue either :( 19:48 cait i forced a hold with the override 19:48 cait but it still doesn't work 19:49 bgkriegel we need mechanized tests... 19:50 cait yeah we do 19:50 cait so you got problems too? 19:51 cait i see nothing in the logs and the check causing the message has multiple conditions 19:51 bgkriegel yes, too, and yes, to many... 19:51 cait oh 19:51 cait i may have found it 19:51 cait the itemtype was set to notforloan 19:51 cait cross fingers 19:52 cait yep that did it 19:53 cait bgkriegel: we really need t refactor those checks 19:53 bgkriegel yeap 19:57 cait thx :) 19:59 rangi not without a full set of unit tests first 19:59 cait agreed 19:59 cait we might turn up some bugs tho if we got those unit tests 19:59 cait :) 19:59 cait good morning 19:59 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/31/yes-you-should-rewrite-it-no-not-like-that/ 19:59 oleonard Hi rangi 19:59 rangi morning 20:00 cait rangi: i know :) it's just that I think we are not really consistently checking the same things every where right now 20:00 cait or at least i worry about it:) 20:00 cait i am not going to delete or change anything without unit tests *promises* 20:01 rangi good, cos thats how we got to this point :) 20:01 cait yeah, but I think we are on a good track to not make it worse 20:01 cait or atleast I am hoping 20:01 cait :) 20:02 cait so slowly wemight be able to clear up some of the older stuff 20:05 bgkriegel solved, in my case was one of the sysprefs. There are too many... 20:05 rangi no their arent 20:05 rangi there 20:05 bgkriegel ok :-) 20:06 bgkriegel to remember at last 20:06 rangi its a UI/UX problem, not the fact we have a lot 20:06 rangi its just they are not all grouped together nicely 20:06 rangi you should be able to switch on a group at once 20:06 rangi that would make them more managable 20:07 cait yeah, a more specific error message would do it 20:07 cait it ould have told me: not for loan 20:07 rangi id like profiles 20:07 bgkriegel and in my case a poor message, it said no copies available, no not allowed on unchecked items 20:07 rangi yeah 20:07 rangi poor errors is a real problem 20:08 bgkriegel some more boring (but important) things to fix 20:09 cait holds and boring? :) 20:09 cait insane... but boring? :) 20:09 bgkriegel :) 20:38 jcamins Fwoosh! <-- the sound of jcamins trying to get to a tour at the MoMA in an hour 20:39 cait hehe 20:39 cait almost like batman 20:44 wizzyrea cait do you have a default rule? 20:44 wizzyrea on never mind it was not for loan 20:45 wizzyrea I'd like preference profiles too 20:45 wizzyrea and permissions profiles 20:45 wizzyrea also good morning 20:46 cait good morning wizzyrea 20:50 wizzyrea holds are always exciting ^.^ 20:50 wizzyrea or at least, present the most interesting problems 20:54 cait yep 20:54 cait glad you see it that way ;) 21:04 gcb I have an installation running the Debian-package version of Koha with several separate sites configured. After staging and importing batches of biblio records for individual sites, I discovered that no authority records had been created. Looking at everything online suggests that I create the marc authority records and use bulkmarcimport.pl to import these. 21:05 gcb How do I ensure that the authorities are imported into the appropriate collection? 21:05 rangi yes 21:05 rangi create and import that authorities too? 21:05 rangi you need to do that using bulkmarcimport.pl -a from the commandline 21:05 cait to my knowledge koha doesn't create authorities automatically if you do bulk import 21:06 rangi or are you wanting Koha to create authorities for you ? 21:06 cait rangi: I think you can use staged now for importing authorities - jcamins did it :) 21:06 cait in 3.10 I think 21:06 rangi cait: i think it will if you set biblioaddauthorities but you would have to test 21:07 cait i think only does it in catalouguing 21:07 cait but not entirely sure, a test woudl be good 21:07 gcb But how do I those into the collection for site1 versus site2 or site3? I don't see a switch to indicate the destination collection. 21:08 rangi gcb: how do you mean .. you have done a few koha-create right so you have a bunhc of different instances? 21:08 gcb Yes 21:09 rangi if you are running 3.10.x cait says you should be able to just import them in the web interface, so just do that for the site you want to 21:10 cait I think you stage the file and tell it if it is biliographic or authority 21:10 rangi if you want to do it on the commandline, you need to do it as the user and using the right config 21:10 rangi eg 21:10 rangi sudo -u corrections-koha PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/corrections/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -d -a --file koha_auth.marc 21:10 cait should be 3.10 I hope - I tested someting in that area yesterday in master, but most of the authority work went into 3.10 21:10 gcb I thought you could bulk import authorities from the gui? 21:11 rangi gcb: yes, cait says you can, in the koha staff side 21:11 rangi and you have a different staff site for each instance 21:11 rangi so just import them into the right one 21:11 gcb I'll give it a try from the gui, thanks. 21:12 rangi by gui you mean staff site eh? 21:15 gcb Yes. They were import just fine. Do they still need to be linked from the command line? 21:24 gcb Does /usr/share/koha/bin/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl still need to be run? 21:38 tweetbot [off] twitter: @opensourceway: ". @nengard walks us through @kohails, an open source library system | http://t.co/thGv3INTmD" 21:45 rangi @later tell cait bug 10128 is caused because the bad patch has only been reverted on 3.12 not on master 21:45 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:45 rangi gmcharlt might want to revert it on master too 21:46 rangi zomg 21:46 rangi im not even touching that email 21:47 rangi someone has to i guess 21:47 rangi its a massive FUD 21:49 gmcharlt rangi: which patch? 21:49 wahanui which patch are we talking about? 21:50 gmcharlt *sigh* does infobot have a mode where it won't automatically pick up EVERY assertion, just ones its explicitly told to remember? 21:51 rangi yep 21:51 rangi i think bug 6554 21:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates 21:51 rangi yep thats it 21:52 rangi you might want to check with jcamins of course 22:18 mtj rangi, nah, just let it die... 22:19 rangi mtj: im just afraid someone will think koha can magically update your system without you doing something (which is patently untrue of course) 22:20 mtj god knows what hes done to his box, but its nothing we can help him with 22:20 eythian hi 22:20 wahanui privet, eythian 22:21 mtj but yeah, you do make an important point… :/ 22:21 mtj hey eythian 22:21 wahanui eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem. 22:23 gmcharlt @later tell jcamins would appreciate eyes on http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/bug6554_reverts to verify that it is consistent with what you reverted 22:23 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 22:23 gmcharlt @later tell cait NB http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/bug6554_reverts 22:23 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 22:42 bag afternoon all 23:06 tcohen jcamins around? 23:07 tcohen ok, technical question #koha 23:08 tcohen tomatoes, onion, basil, salt, some sugar, black pepper 23:08 tcohen anything else for some spaghetti? 23:09 eythian doesn't matter, if it's in git you can always roll back and try something else. 23:09 tcohen heh 23:20 rangi olives 23:21 tcohen olive oil for frying the onions could make it? 23:21 tcohen (olive-less today :( ) 23:22 rangi that'd work :) 23:23 rangi i was going for Puttanesca 23:23 rangi http://allrecipes.com/recipe/puttanesca-i/ 23:23 rangi it tastes better than the name translates to :-) 23:25 * dcook wishes he had the recipe for the fig and raspberry port crumble that his partner made last night... 23:25 tcohen hmm, I don't like capers, but overall it sounds great 23:26 rangi you could subsititue pepperdew or thinly sliced capsicum instead of capers i reckon 23:28 rangi bgkriegel++ #thanks for splitting out my patch and adding yours as a followup 23:29 rangi tcohen: do yo think you might make it to kohacon? 23:30 rangi dcook: ohh that sounds very nice 23:30 dcook 'twas delicious :) 23:30 tcohen i hope so rangi, i'm trying to contact the US embassy this week for the VISA 23:31 rangi i had an idea, stolen from linuxconf.au 23:31 tcohen which idea? 23:31 rangi of doing a shared dinner one of the nights 23:31 tcohen that sounds perfect! heh 23:32 rangi it might not be feasible, at linuxconf people had the use of a kitchen 23:32 rangi but we might be able to at least do a shared afternoon tea or something with something from each of our countries :) 23:32 rangi or state 23:32 rangi in the USians case 23:33 rangi i hope your visa works out :) 23:33 tcohen i hope so 23:33 rangi for kohacon10 we wrote some letters of invitation for people 23:33 tcohen i'll do everything i can to make it this year 23:33 rangi to help with visas 23:33 rangi that might be an option if you need something like that 23:33 tcohen oh, maybe i'll ask if that could help on the embassy 23:33 rangi *nod* 23:34 tcohen right 23:34 tcohen ok, Mezzanine on my home theatre, heading to the kitchen 23:34 tcohen BBL, thanks rangi 23:36 rangi cya 23:38 * dcook really needs to remember to book flights and such.. 23:44 dcook Hmm...is it all right if "get_report_social_data.pl" starts with "#!/bin/perl" rather than "#!/usr/bin/perl" > 23:45 dcook perl -c says the syntax is fine 23:47 rangi that will work sometimes :) 23:47 rangi id change it, just to keep it consistent 23:47 rangi (it wouldnt work on my debian install) 23:48 rangi zsh: no such file or directory: /bin/perl 23:49 dcook k, I'll do a bug report for it 23:50 dcook merci :) 23:52 jcamins ... 23:53 jcamins I don't even-! 23:53 dcook O_o 23:53 rangi the latest paul a email? 23:53 jcamins Yeah. 23:53 rangi its pretty special 23:53 jcamins It's so wrong, and so likely to be damaging it needs a response. 23:53 jcamins But... 23:54 jcamins wtf? 23:56 rangi yeah that's as far as i got