| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:10 |
|
mtompset |
giving ubuntu 13.04 beta 2 a whirl. :) |
| 00:53 |
|
mtompset |
Nice... Looks like Koha sets up nice under 13.04 for packages. :) |
| 00:54 |
|
mtompset |
(I used squeeze-dev) |
| 01:08 |
|
mtompset |
ubuntu 13.04, that is. |
| 01:08 |
|
mtompset |
(beta 2) |
| 01:26 |
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dcook joined #koha |
| 01:37 |
|
mtompset |
Greetings, dcook. |
| 01:37 |
|
dcook |
hey ya mtompset |
| 01:42 |
|
dcook |
Does anyone use Solr for indexing other than BibLibre? |
| 01:43 |
|
rangi |
not me |
| 01:46 |
|
dcook |
Nor would you? |
| 01:47 |
|
rangi |
naw, no advantage |
| 01:48 |
|
rangi |
everything ppl blame on zebra, are problems we totally created ourselves |
| 01:48 |
|
dcook |
With perhaps the exception of not having an active development community |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
Overall, Zebra seems to work pretty well |
| 01:49 |
|
jcamins |
Also, the Solr implementation we have now doesn't work. |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
My only complaints would be the config files (which...you get used to) |
| 01:49 |
|
jcamins |
Kind of a critical error. |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: I thought that was the case as well ;) |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
So BibLibre has a successful implementation, but their code hasn't come over? |
| 01:50 |
|
jcamins |
That is my assumption. |
| 01:50 |
|
dcook |
Same |
| 01:50 |
|
dcook |
rangi: What's your take on the facets issue? |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
Is that one of the issues that we created ourselves or is that a limitation of Zebra? |
| 01:51 |
|
jcamins |
Our fault, mostly. |
| 01:52 |
|
rangi |
not sure about that jcamins would know, but im guessing our fault |
| 01:52 |
|
rangi |
*snap* |
| 01:52 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 01:53 |
|
jcamins |
I mean, solr has better faceting than Zebra, but Zebra has better faceting than Koha. |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
But then the diacritic issue comes up that they mention in the RFC |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
With Zebra facets |
| 01:58 |
|
jcamins |
It's possible to get raw facets out of Zebra. |
| 02:06 |
|
dcook |
So I assume that we haven't "fixed" facets in Zebra because there hasn't been the financial support to do it yet? |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
Zebra = Koha |
| 02:07 |
|
jcamins |
Right. |
| 02:08 |
|
jcamins |
It was part of my search rewrite proposal. |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
Koha really needs to win the lottery or put together some sort of donation service.. |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
Interesting fact |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
Saskatchewan lotteries actually puts quite a bit of money into public libraries |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
Most of the special collections in the UK get a sizable portion of the acquisition budgets from the National Lottery Fund. |
| 02:11 |
|
rangi |
dcook: basically we need to join something like SPI to hold the money first |
| 02:11 |
|
rangi |
then we can collect it |
| 02:12 |
|
dcook |
rangi: SPI? |
| 02:12 |
|
wahanui |
SPI is just a way to hold/traffic assets |
| 02:12 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: That's cool |
| 02:13 |
|
rangi |
http://spi-inc.org/ |
| 02:13 |
|
dcook |
I was just about to ask if that was the link |
| 02:14 |
|
rangi |
debian, jenkins, libreoffice etc |
| 02:14 |
|
rangi |
use it |
| 02:14 |
|
rangi |
postgres too |
| 02:14 |
|
rangi |
http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/services/ |
| 02:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
in good company :) |
| 02:15 |
|
dcook |
Sounds great |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
http://www.spi-inc.org/project[…]ed-project-howto/ |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
not too complicated either |
| 02:17 |
|
dcook |
Might not be the easiest to donate to though |
| 02:17 |
|
dcook |
4.5% from credit cards then 5% for overhead |
| 02:17 |
|
dcook |
Doesn't that work out to more than some of the other services that you were looking at before? |
| 02:17 |
|
dcook |
Surprised to see them mention "checks" so much |
| 02:18 |
|
dcook |
I didn't know that people really used them anymore |
| 02:18 |
|
jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 02:18 |
|
jcamins |
Only in the US. |
| 02:18 |
|
rangi |
dcook: those services are just for random things, and don't really span project stuff |
| 02:18 |
|
rangi |
spi can also hold the TMs, koha-community.org etc |
| 02:19 |
|
dcook |
Interesting |
| 02:19 |
|
wahanui |
Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:19 |
|
dcook |
The fact that other big projects are associated certainly makes it seem more attractive |
| 02:21 |
|
rangi |
its a good way to safely put things the whole community own |
| 02:21 |
|
dcook |
Sounds good to me |
| 02:25 |
|
bag |
evening |
| 02:26 |
|
rangi |
hey bag |
| 02:26 |
|
bag |
yo rangi |
| 02:26 |
|
bag |
sad day here |
| 02:27 |
|
rangi |
yeah, i saw, what a mess |
| 02:27 |
|
bag |
yeah mess is right - you can say that again |
| 02:32 |
|
mtj |
hi all - sorry to hear the news from boston :( |
| 02:34 |
|
bag |
hey mtj |
| 02:34 |
|
mtj |
jcamins, there is one big feature solr has, thats missing from zebra…. good searching of CJK ngrams |
| 02:34 |
|
bag |
yup not good |
| 02:35 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: yeah, but I'd rather have searching work for the languages I use first. |
| 02:36 |
|
dcook |
evening bag |
| 02:36 |
|
mtj |
jcamins. yes, of course…. |
| 02:36 |
|
bag |
hey dcook |
| 02:37 |
|
dcook |
mtj: Personally, I'd love to see a Koha that could be DB and Indexer independent, but...easier said than done |
| 02:38 |
|
jcamins |
Yeah, that would be the ideal. |
| 02:38 |
|
rangi |
the search rewrite was moving us in that direction |
| 02:38 |
|
dcook |
was? |
| 02:39 |
|
jcamins |
Yes, the author got sick of it, and after he finishes some bugfixes to the first part, he's declaring it over as far as he's concerned. |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, fair enough |
| 02:39 |
|
mtj |
so, for us non-CJK users… there is not much difference in features between solr and zebra , for koha |
| 02:39 |
|
jcamins |
Ideally someone else would pick it up after I wrote up what needed to be done, but most people knew it was a bad idea without trying first. |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
The author has done a lot of work, and I certainly wouldn't fault them for getting sick of it |
| 02:40 |
|
dcook |
Bad idea meaning an overly ambition idea? |
| 02:40 |
|
jcamins |
Right. |
| 02:40 |
|
mtj |
but for CJK users, solr gives them a chance at decent search results - that zebra cant |
| 02:40 |
|
eythian |
gar, finally got master building again. |
| 02:41 |
|
dcook |
mtj: I think there are criticisms of Zebra's ability to handle diacritics for roman scripts as well |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
confetti! |
| 02:41 |
|
wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 02:41 |
|
dcook |
Yay eythian! |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
confetti makes me laugh every time. |
| 02:41 |
|
dcook |
Certainly, Zebra doesn't play super nicely with ICU... |
| 02:41 |
|
jcamins |
Even though I planned the development so as to be fairly incremental, the fact is even small changes are difficult to make. |
| 02:42 |
|
dcook |
I imagine there must be quite a few factors that contribute that as well, eh, jcamins? |
| 02:42 |
|
dcook |
Being the most highly used module and all |
| 02:42 |
|
dcook |
Or at least one of the most highly used |
| 02:42 |
|
bag |
any rewrite is ambitous ^^^ khall_away see that :) |
| 02:42 |
|
jcamins |
Yes, with some of the worst code. |
| 02:43 |
|
jcamins |
But honestly what made me give up was not the code. It was the process. |
| 02:43 |
|
bag |
oh yeah search has the worst bloated code |
| 02:43 |
|
bag |
maybe more bloated than worse :P |
| 02:43 |
|
dcook |
How do you mean process? |
| 02:43 |
|
mtj |
eythian++ |
| 02:46 |
|
jcamins |
In order to get a significant development like the search rewrite into 3.12, several dozen worthy features had to be dropped. |
| 02:47 |
|
bag |
*sigh* |
| 02:47 |
|
jcamins |
And keep in mind, that first patch? That was the simple, low-risk patch! |
| 02:49 |
|
jcamins |
Part of the problem is that there is absolutely no one whose job it is to make sure that Koha continues to progress. |
| 02:49 |
|
eythian |
@later tell gmcharlt can you please put bug 10018 and bug 10061 into master? They're needed for package builds. |
| 02:49 |
|
huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:49 |
|
bag |
jcamins: are we ever going to change that? |
| 02:49 |
|
jcamins |
bag: I'm not. |
| 02:49 |
|
jcamins |
And there won't be while Koha isn't part of SPI or some other organization like that. |
| 02:50 |
|
bag |
yup would be nice to have a FTE koha person |
| 02:50 |
|
bag |
I think we will one day… someone who works for koha :) |
| 02:51 |
|
bag |
only koha |
| 02:51 |
|
dcook |
But one day will only happen if someone makes it happen |
| 02:51 |
|
bag |
I'll make it happen |
| 02:51 |
|
dcook |
:) |
| 02:51 |
|
bag |
give me another year and then that will be my project :) |
| 02:51 |
|
bag |
WE CAN DO IT :) |
| 02:51 |
|
dcook |
Someone who works full time on Koha or to make Koha part of SPI? |
| 02:51 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 02:52 |
|
* dcook |
likes bag's optimism |
| 02:52 |
|
bag |
heh |
| 02:52 |
|
bag |
that was a heh for dcook not jcamins [off] :P |
| 02:53 |
|
bag |
nothing is impossible |
| 02:53 |
|
dcook |
bag++ |
| 02:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
actually the trolls have been rather quiet lately |
| 02:54 |
|
bag |
that's true |
| 02:54 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea: except for any time I send a message to the list, unfortunately. |
| 02:54 |
|
bag |
nobody is picking on you jared |
| 02:54 |
|
jcamins |
I guess more of the responses that I've been ignoring have been directed to me personally, though, haven't they? |
| 02:54 |
|
bag |
it happens to use all |
| 02:55 |
|
jcamins |
bag: I don't think they are. |
| 02:55 |
|
bag |
good |
| 02:55 |
|
jcamins |
What I do think is that those people will prevent us making any forward movement. |
| 02:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
I am sure you'd be happy to be wrong. |
| 02:55 |
|
jcamins |
Very happy. |
| 02:56 |
|
bag |
well let's make you happy :) |
| 02:59 |
|
eythian |
@later tell tcohen your wish is my command* (finally.) New master packages uploaded. [* single use only, not valid any more] |
| 02:59 |
|
huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:00 |
|
jcamins |
I honestly believe that if we could organize under SPI or the other organization we could probably fix 75% of our organizational problems in a matter of six months. I just think that our organizational problems will prevent that. |
| 03:02 |
|
bag |
I attended a quaker college. So I'm used to this sort of organization… I does drive you crazy at times. but I've always liked it |
| 03:03 |
|
jcamins |
Hm. |
| 03:03 |
|
jcamins |
Is there a bug described in that proprietary file? |
| 03:03 |
|
eythian |
The problem with it is it can make large, sweeping changes very, very difficult. |
| 03:03 |
|
eythian |
jcamins: file? |
| 03:03 |
|
wahanui |
file is saved in the koha server itself |
| 03:04 |
|
jcamins |
eythian: bug 10062. |
| 03:04 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10062 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Attached item from a deleted record |
| 03:04 |
|
eythian |
ah |
| 03:05 |
|
eythian |
word docs appear to be the standard medium for transferring screenshots, for whatever reason. |
| 03:06 |
|
wizzyrea |
i die a little inside each time. |
| 03:06 |
|
jcamins |
I don't even know how one would go about putting screenshots in a Word document. |
| 03:06 |
|
eythian |
wizzyrea has now completed her transformation into a lich, we get so many of them. |
| 03:07 |
|
wizzyrea |
wizzyrea? |
| 03:07 |
|
wahanui |
you are, like, a Cylon, and they all have plans |
| 03:07 |
|
wizzyrea |
no, I'm a robot. |
| 03:07 |
|
wizzyrea |
more like a cyberman really |
| 03:08 |
|
jcamins |
"You are incompatibile"? |
| 03:08 |
|
jcamins |
*incompatible |
| 03:12 |
|
bag |
oh wizzyrea I think nengard rants about that all the time |
| 03:12 |
|
bag |
I think she has written blog posts about that |
| 03:12 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 03:12 |
|
bag |
drives her crazy too |
| 03:12 |
|
dcook |
Yes, I get those as well |
| 03:12 |
|
dcook |
The twitching varies from email to email, day to day |
| 03:13 |
|
* wizzyrea |
would never actually tell a librarian that it drives me nuts, because I'm simply thankful that they gave me a screenshot... but I do die a little each time. |
| 03:13 |
|
jcamins |
bag: several blog posts, I think. My favorite comment on one of those was the person who posted "Microsoft Word is a great way to share screenshots." |
| 03:13 |
|
bag |
heh |
| 03:13 |
|
mtj |
sceenshots in word docs is one of my pet peeves, too |
| 03:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
I use shutter on ubuntu, it's as close to jing as you can get with linux. |
| 03:14 |
|
rangi |
just take a screenshot of opening it and send it back |
| 03:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
all of the screen*shot* capabiility |
| 03:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
but no screen*cast* capability |
| 03:14 |
|
rangi |
actually make a movie of opening it and send it as an mp4 |
| 03:14 |
|
rangi |
i see you bloat and raise you 50501 |
| 03:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
or a .ogg |
| 03:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
that always goes over well. |
| 03:16 |
|
jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 03:17 |
|
dcook |
Subtitles could help with troubleshooting... |
| 03:18 |
|
wizzyrea |
when I do screencasts |
| 03:18 |
|
wizzyrea |
often I do them silently |
| 03:18 |
|
wizzyrea |
but use an input box on the screen to narrate. |
| 03:18 |
|
mtj |
jcamins, fwiw, i think we have gotten much much better at stopping trolls within the project |
| 03:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
and in truth, sometimes those people who impede progress, impede us from doing impossibly stupid things like letting a single company take over. |
| 03:20 |
|
rangi |
http://blog.timbunce.org/2013/[…]laming-precision/ |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
mtj: we have, no doubt. |
| 03:20 |
|
rangi |
moar flames |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
I have no idea what it means, but that graph looks *awesome*! |
| 03:20 |
|
rangi |
hehe |
| 03:21 |
|
rangi |
http://dtrace.org/blogs/brenda[…]2/mysql-flame.png |
| 03:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
preeeeety |
| 03:21 |
|
rangi |
thats for a stack trace |
| 03:21 |
|
rangi |
you can spot the slow things easier |
| 03:21 |
|
rangi |
(time across the bottom) |
| 03:22 |
|
rangi |
so for perl |
| 03:22 |
|
rangi |
https://timbunce.files.wordpre[…]v5-flamegraph.png |
| 03:23 |
|
rangi |
i suspect it would make some interesting graphs for koha |
| 03:23 |
|
eythian |
http://favim.com/orig/201108/2[…]im.com-127405.jpg <-- wizzyrea, you should use intertitles. |
| 03:23 |
|
eythian |
that one in particular |
| 03:29 |
|
bag |
rangi++ #cool info :) |
| 03:38 |
|
* wizzyrea |
is going to start putting silent movie music on all screencasts |
| 03:38 |
|
jcamins |
wizzyrea: that will make me much more likely to watch your entire screencasts. |
| 03:38 |
|
jcamins |
Especially if they have werewolf-related intertitles. |
| 03:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
keke |
| 03:43 |
|
* jcamins |
notices the time, calls it a night. |
| 03:43 |
|
jcamins |
Good night, #koha. |
| 03:44 |
|
eythian |
later jcamins |
| 03:45 |
|
rangi |
cya jcamins |
| 03:46 |
|
bag |
should we call this time west coast and far coast? |
| 03:46 |
|
bag |
:P |
| 03:47 |
|
eythian |
Both coasts are in the same time zone, so I don't see what it'd change really |
| 03:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
time zone "yesterday" |
| 03:48 |
|
dcook |
G'night, jcamins |
| 03:56 |
|
* dcook |
just found the "maxRecordsForFacets" system preference |
| 03:56 |
|
dcook |
I assume this is the one that has a cap of 500 records mentioned here: http://www.biblibre.com/en/blo[…]lopments-for-koha |
| 03:57 |
|
dcook |
Certainly a handy syspref to know about though! |
| 03:59 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, quite an old preference... |
| 04:00 |
|
dcook |
Also has a default of 20 |
| 04:00 |
|
dcook |
3.03... |
| 04:00 |
|
* dcook |
stops rambling about facets |
| 04:02 |
|
bag |
or facts :P |
| 04:02 |
|
bag |
hehe |
| 04:02 |
|
bag |
just kidding dcook |
| 04:11 |
|
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cait joined #koha |
| 04:22 |
|
dcook |
bag: :p |
| 04:22 |
|
* dcook |
waves to cait |
| 04:22 |
|
* cait |
waves :) |
| 04:22 |
|
bag |
heya cait |
| 04:24 |
|
eythian |
hi cait |
| 04:26 |
|
cait |
hi eythian |
| 04:27 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: cait is also <reply>go back to bed, cait. |
| 04:27 |
|
wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
| 04:27 |
|
dcook |
I'm not actually seeing any limit to "maxRecordsForFacets"... |
| 04:28 |
|
bag |
should there be a limit? |
| 04:29 |
|
bag |
oh yes limit should be number of results |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
I suppose that should be the only limit |
| 04:29 |
|
cait |
dcook: theproblem is performance |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
Yeah |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
That's what I was about to say |
| 04:29 |
|
cait |
it looks at all records, it would really slow down things |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
If you're trying to get facets for thousands of records |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
Intriguing |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
I suppose this set up allows the librarian to make the call |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
Being exhaustive vs. being quick |
| 04:32 |
|
dcook |
20 seems like a rather low default though |
| 04:32 |
|
dcook |
*shrug* |
| 04:32 |
|
cait |
yeah |
| 04:32 |
|
cait |
we use higher - but not sure how high |
| 04:32 |
|
bag |
ah 20 is fast :) |
| 04:32 |
|
cait |
depends abit on collection size |
| 04:32 |
|
dcook |
20 is heaps fast hehe |
| 04:33 |
|
cait |
it used to be hardcoded 20 before the sys pref was done |
| 04:33 |
|
dcook |
Ahh |
| 04:33 |
|
dcook |
It still has a hardcoded default if the system preference isn't set |
| 04:33 |
|
dcook |
++ to whoever put in that syspref |
| 04:33 |
|
cait |
iirc fredericd |
| 04:33 |
|
cait |
but I might be mistaken :) |
| 04:50 |
|
eythian |
@wunder nzwn |
| 04:50 |
|
huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:51 |
|
dcook |
@wunder Sydney, Australia |
| 04:51 |
|
huginn |
dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (2:30 PM EST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:51 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, looks warmer outside |
| 04:52 |
|
bag |
night all |
| 04:52 |
|
wahanui |
goodnight bag. You'll be back. |
| 04:53 |
|
bag |
:) |
| 04:53 |
|
dcook |
bonne nuit, bag |
| 04:53 |
|
dcook |
Hope it was a decent monday |
| 05:46 |
|
cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.9°C (7:40 AM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
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dcook |
Wow... |
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dcook |
That's quite a bit warmer than it has been, isn't it? |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
we had 24 yesterday |
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cait |
but looks like it rained a bit tonight |
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dcook |
Wow! |
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dcook |
Yay spring! |
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dcook |
I'm off though! |
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dcook |
Be back in a bit! |
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cait |
yep - about time! |
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cait |
for spring and for going home :) |
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martian742 |
hello there a prospective Koha user from the Czech Republic checking in.. |
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rangi |
hi martian742 |
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cait |
hi martian742 |
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* cait |
waves from Germany |
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rangi |
developer from NZ about to leave to feed his kids |
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martian742 |
rangi: well that is sure more important :) |
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martian742 |
I have a specific Q though: is it easy to stay on the TRUNK version of Koha while continuously pushing in the Czech translation I would be working on? |
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martian742 |
can I stay in sync like that? |
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cait |
of course :) |
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cait |
translations are done with po files |
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cait |
you don#t have to change anything in koha for htat |
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cait |
have you taken a look at translate.koha-community.org ? |
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martian742 |
and would you say that Koha is up to date with the current (or rather long-standing) rules and practices used in the European libraries? |
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cait |
hm it certainly always depends on the libraries |
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martian742 |
cait: I have, the Czech trans. is virtually non-existent |
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cait |
it#s widely used in France now |
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cait |
and we currently support 11 libraries in Germany |
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martian742 |
cait: bummer for PMB |
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cait |
I think PMB is also used |
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cait |
but some universities are using koha now |
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cait |
what kind of library is yours? |
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martian742 |
(PHP My Bibli) which I have been using until now, and the community doesn't feel good to me |
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martian742 |
cait: my case is a small elementary school's lib. of about 4000 books |
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rangi |
its certainly much more feature rich than PMB (its a few years older too) |
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rangi |
koha will scale down to that small :) |
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martian742 |
rangi: installation error: you need to have more than 10k books in your library :D |
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cait |
martian742: koha's community is very alive - as you will see when you stick around a bit longer |
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martian742 |
rangi: just kidding |
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rangi |
martian742: that would be an oracle trick :) |
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martian742 |
cait: well, that's what I'm hoping for, as I'm also an English language-junkie AND have failed to learn French (a PMB community pseudo-req. indeed) |
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cait |
we talk lots about food and cookies |
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cait |
if you are fine with that too you are at the right place ;) |
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martian742 |
cait: need more cookies as well |
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martian742 |
:D |
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cait |
who doesn't? :) |
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cait |
so let's see for czech translations |
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martian742 |
cait: I have seen |
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cait |
ah ok |
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cait |
I guess starting with the opac would be good |
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martian742 |
doesn't exist |
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martian742 |
cait: no, need to start with the core |
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cait |
ah, but that's quite huge |
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cait |
as koha has lots of features |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
I see that the files are missing |
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martian742 |
my lib. relies on the clerk interface first and foremost |
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cait |
I suggest dropping a mail to translate koha-community.org - mailing lists are here: mailing lists? |
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cait |
oh come on wahanui |
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cait |
mailing lists? |
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wahanui |
mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
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* magnuse |
waves from norway |
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cait |
and ask for the files for 3.10 and 3.12 to be added |
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cait |
i think they might not be active somehow in the translation scripts - I could tell you how to gneerate them, but it shoudl be fixed to keep them updates |
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cait |
hope that makes sense |
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cait |
morning magnuse :) |
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martian742 |
cait: it seems that all the Terminology phrases have already been translated ( http://translate.koha-community.org/cs/ ) |
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martian742 |
cait: what would you judge from that? |
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cait |
@later tell druthb could you check Czech translation on pootle? martian742 might be interested in doing some translation - but 3.10 and 3.12 files are missing :) |
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huginn |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
no guarantee she sees it, so mailing list would still be good |
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cait |
I think the termininology things come with pootle |
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cait |
when you take a look at the 3.8 files |
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cait |
you can see there are 3 (now we have 4) |
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cait |
one for prefs (that's only administration, so no need to start with that) |
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cait |
one for opac |
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cait |
and one for intranet |
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cait |
the intranet is huge, partly because it includes all the error messages and the context help |
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martian742 |
cait: awww, right |
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cait |
once the files are up you could also use a local tool for translating, like poedit |
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martian742 |
cait: have been there with PMB, consistency becomes a real issue with that big amount of texts |
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cait |
it might be worth using something that lets you limit to certain templates to get the most important done in the beginning |
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cait |
you can search for templates on pootle too, but if you are the only translator working on something at the time (which it would look like here) sometimes a local editor is faster |
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cait |
and for the rest... installing koha is best done using the packages |
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cait |
packages? |
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wahanui |
well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
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cait |
and now i stop spamming you with links :) |
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martian742 |
cait: what I did with PMB was injecting tell-tale code into the PHP, it would display in red, what ID - in the interface itself |
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martian742 |
cait: don‎'t bother stopping :) |
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cait |
I think we have it mostly covered :) |
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cait |
any questions? ;) |
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martian742 |
cait: packages (?) .. avoiding the bot? :) would you recommend against installing the TRUNK version in my case? |
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cait |
not sure what you mean by trunk version :) |
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martian742 |
well what I find in your version control thingy |
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cait |
ah by git |
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martian742 |
the dev edge |
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cait |
if you want to do dev that's the way to go |
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cait |
for translations you could use the beta2 packages or a current 3.10 release |
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cait |
3.12 will be released on may 22nd - so we are currently working up to that |
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martian742 |
cait: not exactly, but I want my translations to be long lived |
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martian742 |
ee long living |
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cait |
that's hard with Koha as we keep adding stuff all the time :) |
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cait |
but maybe you should start with 3.12 then |
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cait |
we update translations, so we try not to cause more work then necessary |
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martian742 |
cait: yeah, but at least that implies adding translations over time? not reviewing them so much? |
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cait |
meaning you don't have to start over each version |
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martian742 |
cait: right |
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martian742 |
there are FOSS projects that do, I think :( |
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cait |
but there is always quite a bit to do with updated help and new featues and srings going fuzzy from changes in the templates |
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martian742 |
cait: pour me another beer, I'll deal with fuzzy :) |
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cait |
Koha also does bug fix releases every month |
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cait |
every 6 month a big release, every month a bug fix release |
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martian742 |
cait: or do it from my local hackerspace, great environment to brag about such issues :D |
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martian742 |
http://base48.cz |
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cait |
nice! |
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martian742 |
cait: so do I inject .po files into the local install, does it boil down to that when wanting to edit it locally in the first approach? |
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cait |
hm maybe take a loo here to see how it works: |
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cait |
additional languages? |
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cait |
add additional languages? |
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cait |
I thought I taught him |
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cait |
installing additonal languages? |
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martian742 |
cait: bad doggie |
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cait |
installing additional languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
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cait |
add languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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cait |
wahanui add languages? |
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wahanui |
add languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
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cait |
wahanui botsnack cookie |
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wahanui |
:) |
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martian742 |
cait: thanks a lot |
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martian742 |
cait: still, if I may, this is something FOSS people want to know how to do properly: |
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martian742 |
could you advocate for Koha, compare it to other FOSS ILSs.. |
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cait |
you just have to hurry a bit with your question - as i have to go to work in 5 :) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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martian742 |
why should I not invest my time in Evergreen for example |
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cait |
hm not sure I understand your question, can you explain? |
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cait |
oh |
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cait |
evergreen people hang around here too - so maybe better ask them |
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cait |
I think installation is a bit more difficult |
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martian742 |
they already have a good bit translated into Czech |
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cait |
which was one of the main reasons I ended up with koha :) |
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martian742 |
cait: that's what figure, after trying it |
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cait |
I have never used Evergreen - so I really don't want to say something wrong |
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magnuse |
there is a nice comparison thingy for koha and evergreen |
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cait |
maybe take a look at your demo and theirs? |
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martian742 |
cait: and since the people hang around here, I better ask them ;-) |
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cait |
compare what looks better for you? |
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magnuse |
i can never remember where, though... |
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martian742 |
cait: yup! |
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cait |
as it's US try a bit later of course :) |
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cait |
they have their own chat too - which might be the more direct way :) |
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martian742 |
cait: NZ there? |
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cait |
NZ has gone to feed the kids :P |
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cait |
well, one of them |
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wahanui |
one of them is, like, bound to have a good idea ;) |
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cait |
10 hours now from here, so early evening there now |
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cait |
evergreen is mostly american i think |
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martian742 |
cait: right |
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martian742 |
haven't been in an overseas relationship for a bit now, don't have the hang of it anymore :) |
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martian742 |
cait: my hackerspace channel is currently talking about whipped cream |
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cait |
koha is very international, perhaps a bitmore than evergreen is right now |
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martian742 |
see? cookies are important everywhere |
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magnuse |
martian742: http://features.galecia.com/ might be of interest |
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cait |
martian742: have to run - but luckily my day time job is also koha - so will be back with my second identity later |
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martian742 |
cait: sweet |
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martian742 |
cait: thanks for all the fish |
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magnuse |
ah "The features are updated through Koha version 3.8 and Evergreen version 2.2" - there has been a lot of development since 3.8 |
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magnuse |
cait++ for being helpful |
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martian742 |
magnuse: also, the site looks a bit empty |
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martian742 |
like it's not loaded with data |
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magnuse |
there's stuff under the "Browse" tab |
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magnuse |
but it also says "prototype version 20120410-a " |
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martian742 |
magnuse: right, + paranoid me had to enable JavaScript in my bro'ser |
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magnuse |
ah :-) |
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martian742 |
magnuse: would you say that librarians generally hang around here? I'm not, I have holes in the best practices including cataloguing |
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magnuse |
martian742: there are some librarians, but not a lot |
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magnuse |
if you want to talk to librarians, the main mailing list is probably a better bet |
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magnuse |
i was trained as a librarian, in fact, but i never did any serious cataloguing... |
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martian742 |
magnuse: since they don't spend much time on the IRC, unlike other computer nerds :) |
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martian742 |
sure, will do |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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martian742 |
where I live, the librarian nerds are qutie progressive though |
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magnuse |
yay for progressive librarian nerds! :-) |
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martian742 |
should motivate them into FOSS ILS |
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magnuse |
you should! |
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magnuse |
the more the merrier |
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martian742 |
they even did a naked charity calendar, shot entirely in a library |
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magnuse |
hehe, now that is progressive ;-) |
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martian742 |
yep |
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mtj |
naked_librarians++ |
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* dcook |
waves to the BibLibre folk |
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martian742 |
interestingly, there are also 58 people on the Evergreen IRC chan :) |
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dcook |
That is rather odd |
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dcook |
allo gaetan_B |
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gaetan_B |
allo dcook :) |
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dcook |
How goes the day in France? |
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gaetan_B |
dcook: well, i'm in Irak right now ;) |
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gaetan_B |
in Kurdistan to be more precise |
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gaetan_B |
what about you :p ? |
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dcook |
A bit less exciting. I'm still/back in Australia |
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dcook |
But a good day all in all :) |
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dcook |
What takes you to Irak/Kurdistan? |
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dcook |
wb kf |
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kf |
thx dcook |
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kf |
and good morning #koha again |
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gaetan_B |
dcook: a project with a university here :) |
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gaetan_B |
hallo kf :) |
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kf |
hi gaetan_B |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
are we on the big screen again? |
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gaetan_B |
kf: not now :) |
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kf |
but more training today? :) |
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magnuse |
koha can take you to some interesting places... |
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gaetan_B |
kf: this week i am not really giving a training, it only setting up stuff, and understanding how they work so that we can come up with a reasonable set-up |
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gaetan_B |
theey are quite demanding and ambitious i must say ! |
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gaetan_B |
but i'm trying to make it as simple and fool proof as possible |
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gaetan_B |
i don't them to get confused with all the possible MARC21 fields |
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kf |
sounds like a typical library :) |
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gaetan_B |
:D |
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gaetan_B |
it's not so typical i can tell you ;) |
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gaetan_B |
by the way |
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gaetan_B |
how does the default display for results and detailed records work in marc21 ? |
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gaetan_B |
are the name of the fields taken from the frameworks or are they in the templates ? |
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gaetan_B |
and if so is there a way i can get the list of fields that display somewhere ? |
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gaetan_B |
or should i fill a record with all the possible fields and see ? |
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kf |
gaetan_B: do you mean tehe default setting for the xslt prefs? |
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gaetan_B |
kf: i mean not using the xslt at all |
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kf |
or the normal display (leave empty) in the prefs |
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kf |
ah |
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magnuse |
gaetan_B: look at the xslt for lists and details, perhaps? |
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kf |
we are only using the xslt |
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kf |
I would almost recommend using it |
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kf |
well... I think I do recommend it |
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* magnuse |
recommends it too |
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gaetan_B |
using the xslt means getting involved into some really murky translation to kurdish and arabic for different xslts, which i want to avoid at all costs |
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kf |
um no |
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kf |
I don't think so |
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kf |
the fields are in the po file so or so |
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dcook |
Hey gaetan_B, I might have some answers |
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dcook |
We don't use xslt over here |
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kf |
they get translated with the po file, only if you have custom stylesheets you have to |
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gaetan_B |
i would never use anything else than xslt for a french library |
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gaetan_B |
but if i get into this here, i know it's going to get *really* complicated |
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gaetan_B |
dcook: i'm interested :) |
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kf |
gaetan_B: hm not sure I understand the problem |
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kf |
gaetan_B: maybe you are always using a custom stylesheet with french? |
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gaetan_B |
kf the default xslt get translated as well ? |
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kf |
yep |
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gaetan_B |
i'll give it a try then :) |
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gaetan_B |
that's pretty good news |
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kf |
they will more or less accidentally translate it |
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dcook |
For a non-XSLT display, the display is hardcoded into the templates. They're not related to the frameworks. |
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kf |
I would give it a try |
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gaetan_B |
kf: we always use custom stylesheets indeed |
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dcook |
Well, the non-XSLT, "Normal" display |
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kf |
it's pat of the opac po file |
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dcook |
The frameworks will change what appears in the "MARC" display |
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kf |
yep what dcook says :) |
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kf |
I guess that's the same for both displays - labels are hardcoded |
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kf |
but xslt shows a lot more and is better maintained |
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dcook |
But XSLT are far easier to change |
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dcook |
Yep |
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dcook |
If I had the option, I'd use XSLT for sure |
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gaetan_B |
dcook: ok good, this is all very reassuring :) |
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dcook |
Difficult for librarians to maintain, but easier for developers |
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gaetan_B |
the translation project is going to be quite action packed i think |
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dcook |
(Unless those librarians understand XML and XSL) |
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dcook |
What sort of language and script are used there? |
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gaetan_B |
typing bi directionnal text (which we will not be able to avoid in the translation) is maybe the most confusing thing i have experienced |
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* dcook |
has never met anyone from Iraq |
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gaetan_B |
dcook: in the south it's an arabic dialect |
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gaetan_B |
but here it's kurdish |
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gaetan_B |
which is an indo-germanic language |
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gaetan_B |
somewhat related to russian too it seems |
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dcook |
Interesting.. |
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wahanui |
i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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gaetan_B |
but it is written with a variant of the arabic scritp |
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dcook |
Yes, wahanui. |
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wahanui |
dcook: huh? |
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gaetan_B |
so right to left |
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dcook |
Mmm, ok |
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dcook |
I think Karam Qubsi has recently submitted some patches in relation to bi directional text |
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* dcook |
thinks that kf commented on those as well |
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gaetan_B |
dcook: yes, i have seen this and i was very happy about it, they came in right in time for :) |
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gaetan_B |
the project |
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wahanui |
hmmm... the project is the better for it. |
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gaetan_B |
:D |
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dcook |
What they said :p |
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dcook |
So they're doing the whole translation for kurdish? |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
he has another patch waiting for the ccsr opac - if someone wanted to give that a whirl ;) |
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dcook |
bonjour paul_p |
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dcook |
kf: Hmm, I'm never sure how to go about properly testing patches for bidi or UNIMARC, since I never use either |
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kf |
dcook: I think in that case do a regression test :) |
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kf |
make sure it doesn't break the english ccsr opac/normal opac |
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dcook |
Glancing at the code, it looks good ;) |
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dcook |
I just wonder if there's a typo in the css somewhere |
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kf |
another way to test is install arabic |
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kf |
and browse the opac a bit |
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kf |
maybe check the css with a validator |
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gaetan_B |
i have to disconnect, see you later |
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kf |
bye gaetan_B |
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dcook |
ta gaetan_B |
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dcook |
Hmm, true enough |
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kf |
martian742: talking to evergreen people now? :) |
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dcook |
Huh... |
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dcook |
Looks like you can renew books for a restricted patron in 3.8 |
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kf |
there might be a pref about that, but not sure |
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dcook |
Hmm, I'll take a look |
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dcook |
Happens on master too in any case |
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* dcook |
really needs to use his dev system more often.. |
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dcook |
I love using master... |
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kf |
might be worht filing a bug if it's not a pref |
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dcook |
Hmm, don't see a pref for "restrict" or "debar" |
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kf |
hm look for renew |
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dcook |
Nothing |
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kf |
ok |
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kf |
8236 |
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kf |
bug 8236 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Signed Off , Prevent renewing if overdue or restriction |
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dcook |
Nice, kf! |
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dcook |
wb gaetan_B |
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gaetan_B |
dcook: leaving agin ;) |
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dcook |
I'll be more frugal with my wbs next time ;) |
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kf |
dcook: looks like it's about staff not opac maybe |
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kf |
hm might still be worth taking a look |
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dcook |
Hmm, that's a good point too |
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kf |
I would think a restricted patron shoudl not be able to do anything in opac |
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dcook |
I haven't checked |
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kf |
but not sure all libraries would agree |
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dcook |
This issue came to me from the staff client |
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kf |
but that's the point of blocking an account? for example in cases of lost cards? |
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dcook |
I looked at the restricted patron interface a while ago, but I'll look again |
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dcook |
I think the self-reg has an option to have them restricted as well |
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dcook |
To prevent abuse |
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dcook |
Hmm, instead of reading the history, I'll just read the latest patch..heh |
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dcook |
Blah... |
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dcook |
Yay for splinter review... |
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dcook |
Thanks again for pointing this bug out, kf |
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magnuse |
kf is pretty awesome for remembering bugs |
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* kf |
has a weird brain |
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magnuse |
dcook: i was remninded of Bug 6739 too |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6739 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , expired patrons not blocked from opac actions |
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kf |
ah yes |
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magnuse |
good weird, then |
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dcook |
Hmm... |
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dcook |
Would it be bad form if I "fail QAed" a patch that was already signed off? |
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kf |
no if there is a bug |
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kf |
just write a nice note |
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kf |
and explain why you think it can't go in like it is |
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dcook |
Sounds good |
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dcook |
:) |
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dcook |
Man..."IsMemberBlocked" is so not documented correctly... |
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kf |
probably old code |
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kf |
and also restriction proces changed.. |
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dcook |
The code is good. Just the documentation is wrong :) |
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dcook |
Time to report a bug.. |
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dcook |
And maybe do it tomorrow.. |
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dcook |
This is the latest I've been at work in ages |
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dcook |
Quick question...what is "ILSDI/Services.pm"? |
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magnuse |
dcook: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]298acdc5c;hb=HEAD |
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magnuse |
i presume... |
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dcook |
Yeah, I just started reading through it, but I'm not sure I get it |
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dcook |
Looks like a digital library thing perhaps... |
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dcook |
http://www.diglib.org/community/groups/ils-di/ |
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dcook |
Mmm |
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dcook |
For interacting with discovery layers like VuFind |
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dcook |
Neato. I was wondering how patrons could place holds in Koha through VuFind |
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magnuse |
it's a protocol/webservice thing for listing current loans, renewing etc |
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magnuse |
the implementation in koha is self documenting, e.g.: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl |
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dcook |
Thanks, magnuse |
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dcook |
This is really neat |
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dcook |
We've been talking a bit about discovery layers recently, and this provides the missing piece that I wasn't sure how to solve theoretically |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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magnuse |
and hiya tajoli |
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tajoli |
and hi to all |
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dcook |
hey ya tajoli |
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kf |
hi tajoli |
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dcook |
All right. About time for this goose to head home |
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dcook |
later magnuse, kf, all :) |
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magnus |
heh "Guide on the Side is an open-source application and, obviously, you have full permission to change it however you want. But you shouldn't." |
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magnus |
good advice :-) |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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kf1 |
@wunder Konstanz |
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kf1: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
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tcohen |
hi kf1 |
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tcohen |
@wunder cordoba, argentina |
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huginn |
tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (9:00 AM ART on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
oh warmer than in argentina! |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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kf |
hi oleonard :) |
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kf |
@wunder Athens, OH |
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kf: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 16.1°C (7:51 AM EDT on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
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kf |
was that right? |
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oleonard |
Yes :) |
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oleonard |
Very nice spring day today |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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kf |
;) |
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kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.3°C (2:25 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
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nengard |
@wunder 19030 |
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nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 13.3°C (8:33 AM EDT on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
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tcohen |
eythian++ |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
not bad! |
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magnuse |
wow, norway is going bieber-crazy |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.1°C (2:43 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
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oleonard |
kf: Did you create a bug for updating the invoice page template? |
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druthb |
o/ |
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kf |
oleonard: sorry no - I only noticed when I started working on the terms clean up |
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oleonard |
Okay I'll file one. I'm working on that now. |
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kf |
oleonard: nice! |
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kf |
oleonard: maybe put it on top of the string changes? not sure if that would work |
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oleonard |
I think that would work |
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oleonard |
I had started to work on a patch for that page several months ago and got distracted by something... |
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magnuse |
distractions-- |
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oleonard |
kf: Can I ask you an acquisitions workflow question? |
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oleonard |
(or anyone else who has opinions on acquisitions workflows) |
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kf |
in a minute |
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kf |
here now :) |
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kf |
oleonard: ? |
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oleonard |
On the invoice view/edit page (/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/invoice.pl?invoiceid=1) there is a link "Go to receipt page" |
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kf |
hm yes, maybe we should rename that |
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oleonard |
That link is awkwardly-placed, and I'm curious where it fits into the workflow |
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kf |
it's a good question |
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kf |
I think probably because you could only do/undo some actions from the parcels/shipment/need a good name for it page |
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kf |
and not from the invoice page that seems more to be like a summary/view |
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kf |
what I have wondered is about closing invoices and which consequences it has |
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kf |
it seems acq is getting more and more complicated and I wonder which steps can be missed/not done |
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kf |
but I haven't had time to take a really good look at it |
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kf |
like seeing how closed/unclosed invoices show up in other places |
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oleonard |
I'll leave it for another patch since there isn't an obvious answer to what to do with it. |
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drojf |
university_wifi-- |
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kf |
oleonard: sounds like a good idea |
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tcohen |
bug 9735 could help debugging some translation problmes |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page |
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drojf |
i tried to test a patch i made. installation goes fine but when i try to create a staff user, it does not work. i get »This patron does not exist.«. Is that a sign that i missed something when installing? |
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nengard |
kf or other qa person - bug 9850 needs qa and to make it in to 3.12 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update |
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nengard |
it's all just text patches now |
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kf |
nengard: it won't go faster because you ask every day |
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nengard |
it might |
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nengard |
if you all want to shut me up |
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nengard |
:) |
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kf |
don't think so :) |
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nengard |
k - off to a webinar |
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drojf |
hm. it worked after choosing a library. i don't think i had to do this before. |
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tcohen |
jcamins, you mentioned (yesterday) a bug related to UTF8 doble encoding? |
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jcamins |
Bug 6554. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
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jcamins |
I have to consult with gmcharlt about how to go about pushing the follow-up that was placed on the same bug. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: hmm? |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: I don't want to make it impossible for you to revert 6554, should that become necessary, but if I push a follow-up to the bug_6554 branch, reverting will get more complicated. |
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jcamins |
Though you may have more experience with reverting and therefore not end up with a screwed up branch every time you try to revert more than one merge on a given branch. |
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jcamins: yeah, I can't say I'm too concerned; if nothing else, I can always default to reverting the commits individually |
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jcamins |
Okay. Next time I'm pushing I'll take a look at that one. |
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jcamins |
Unless you beat me to it. |
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magnuse |
tcohen: yeah, something changed, so at least when you ad users as the db user, you have a blank option at the top of the libraries dropdown |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: 10061 is a candidate for 3.12, 10018 is not |
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tcohen |
are u confusing me with drojf, magnuse? |
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jcamins |
bug 10061 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10061 critical, P2, ---, robin, Passed QA , Fix the tiny_mce error when building packages |
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jcamins |
bug 10018 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10018 major, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Building version update for master/3.13 |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: right. |
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magnuse |
tcohen: yeah i am, sorry about that... |
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tcohen |
np |
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drojf |
thanks magnuse. would have saved me an hour to ask earlier. because i just installed again ^^ |
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drojf |
and tried the next time :D |
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jcamins |
I'm cherry-picking and not merging so I should notice things like that. |
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jcamins |
Side note: surely they mean 256MB of RAM, not 256k/RAM. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'origin/new/bug_10018_10061_deb_pkg_fixes' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6187c8b357a13763e> / Bug 10061 - Fix tinymce path references broken by bug 9172 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]65f868f4614f2063d> / Bug 10018 - version update for 3.13 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]web/?p=koha.git;a |
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gmcharlt |
cool -- and in the bugs, I'll leave comments if I think something is a candidate for 3.12.x |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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tcohen |
hmm, internet says utf8::decode shouldn't be used, Encode::decode instead |
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drojf |
if i don't want to link records, can i just skip 001 or do i need it for something else? (if there is no union catalogue or other kind of record sharing) |
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jcamins |
You can skip 001. |
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jcamins |
Most do. |
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drojf |
yay! |
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drojf |
thanks jcamins |
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tcohen |
jcamins, i've learnt that utf8 and UTF-8 mean different things in Perl |
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jcamins |
I did not know that, actually. |
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tcohen |
and thus, utf8::decode and Encode::decode('UTF-8',XX) are not expected to work the same |
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tcohen |
i'm just reading about it |
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tcohen |
it seems that UTF-8 means "the strict, safe implementation of the standard" |
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tcohen |
and utf8 a loose implementation prior to the standarization |
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tcohen |
I'm not sure the implications in Koha |
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tcohen |
but sounds like some UTF-8 errors will not be catched by utf8 |
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tcohen |
i'll try fixing every call and see the results |
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tcohen |
maybe some arab records could help |
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jcamins |
I suspect probably we have to use utf8 due to the poor quality of the UTF-8 encoding used by most MARC records. |
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tcohen |
unfortunately, yes |
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tcohen |
that, and mysql's utf8 collation being case insensitive are two big sources of problems for Koha I guess |
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tcohen |
i have a possitive feeling about the utf8 vs. UTF-8 issue |
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tcohen |
I feel most of the charset related problems we've seen |
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tcohen |
will be catched by our code in a better way |
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tcohen |
(I mean, the problems have been around anyway, with Koha breaking because of them) |
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* tcohen |
is scared |
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vfernandes |
hi :) |
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vfernandes |
one question: i'm having the following problem when editing MARC21 authorities in koha 3.10.3: ZOOM error 114 "Unsupported Use attribute" (addinfo: "Koha-Auth-Number") from diag-set 'Bib-1' |
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vfernandes |
what's wrong? |
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wahanui |
I only know what you teach me. |
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vfernandes |
any one had this problem? |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1140: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1140/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Robin Sheat: Bug 10018 - version update for 3.13 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Robin Sheat: Bug 10061 - Fix tinymce path references broken by bug 9172 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10018 major, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Building version update for master/3.13 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10061 critical, P2, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Fix the tiny_mce error when building packages |
| 16:35 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
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vfernandes |
ZOOM error 114 "Unsupported Use attribute" (addinfo: "Koha-Auth-Number") from diag-set 'Bib-1' |
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vfernandes |
using MARC21 authorities with DOM |
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* druthb |
waves to nengard |
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nengard |
hiya |
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martian523 |
hi i'm using KOHA 3.10 and i'm wondering if koha field "stocknumber" can be displayed when doing batch item modification in the edit item section |
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oleonard |
What subfield is that martian523? |
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martian523 |
952 i |
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oleonard |
martian523: Looks like that subfield is explicitly excluded by the script. Presumably because it would be considered fairly unusual to modify multiple records with the same value there. |
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oleonard |
martian523: Does that make sense? |
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tcohen |
jcamins, I filled a bug on the UTF-8 thing |
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jcamins |
I saw, thanks. |
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tcohen |
i've been working on a patch for it |
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tcohen |
its pretty simple |
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tcohen |
but have concerns on error checking |
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tcohen |
(we have too little of it) |
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tcohen |
and Encode expects eval blocks for evaluating the conversion |
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tcohen |
so everything gets boureaucratic |
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tcohen |
anyway, gotta leave now, bye #koha |
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jcamins |
eval blocks are fine if you catch the error. |
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jcamins |
Otherwise they're dreadful. |
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melia |
how can I tell if a patch that has been pushed to master is also going to get into 3.10.x stable? specifically, I'm wondering about bug 9902 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , item subfields not populating |
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melia |
should I expect to see that pushed to stable 3.10.x at some point in the future, or is a new patch needed for that to happen? |
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oleonard |
Ask the release maintainer I suppose melia? |
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oleonard |
melia: You could make sure it applies to 3.10.x |
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melia |
they're still sleeping in NZ now, aren't they? I am always asking questions while they're still sleeping! |
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jcamins |
They should be waking up soon. |
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oleonard |
This is usually when rangi appears though not quite work time for him I think |
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melia |
ok thanks guys! I will check back with rangi later on, after he's had a chance to eat his breakfast and stuff :) |
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oleonard |
Trying a Bootstrap OPAC: http://www.screencast.com/t/OxYWcM08b7Z |
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oleonard |
I'm curious about the placement of the Cart and Lists buttons in the fixed header. I wonder if people find them there in the CCSR theme |
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jcamins |
oleonard: yay! |
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jcamins |
And I'm not sure... I feel like when there's a fixed toolbar I expect everything to be in that toolbar, not just some of the stuff. |
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* cait |
waves |
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* jcamins |
waves back |
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* druthb |
waves with both hands. |
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druthb |
\o/ |
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cait |
:) |
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nengard |
question - SvcMaxReportRows - what is the reports web service? |
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nengard |
is it public reports? |
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nengard |
or something else? |
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nengard |
for the manual |
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jcamins |
Yeah, basically public reports. |
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oleonard |
Here's a version with more CCSR styling and the Koha logo in the navbar: http://www.screencast.com/t/Bvn2O6BsKW2n |
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cait |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
oleonard++ |
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cait |
i like it |
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cait |
maybe we coul dhave a less grey version too? :) |
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druthb |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
I'm open to suggestions. Right now the only preferences I've heard is that people like the style of CCSR |
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cait |
i tihnk people like the mobile part of it |
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cait |
I mean that's the main argument |
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cait |
oleonard: is there a chance we could replace the yui grid in the opac in a new template? |
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oleonard |
That's what this version does |
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oleonard |
Bootstrap grid including responsive layout |
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cait |
oh nice! |
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cait |
sorry, I think I missed that earlier |
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cait |
today is a weird day |
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oleonard |
No you didn't miss that. I didn't say. |
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cait |
well it's really cool :) oleonard++ |
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jcamins |
I tend to favor a rather austere color scheme (for instance http://www.screencast.com/t/2MkdJr0gwcg http://www.screencast.com/t/CElTlp3dCFJ ) but my reason for liking CCSR was that it worked well on my phone. |
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oleonard |
We had austere in the staff client for a long time jcamins and then the masses revolted :P |
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bgkriegel |
austere? no color at all :-) |
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* cait |
didn't |
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cait |
but I think the masses really like the color |
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cait |
getting positive feedback from others about the change |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #38 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #323 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #38: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/38/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: add SvcMaxReportRows |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_Docs build #323: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/323/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Nicole C. Engard: add SvcMaxReportRows |
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jcamins |
bgkriegel: isn't that what I said? :P |
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bgkriegel |
yes of course :-) |
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jcamins |
I'm thinking of maybe adding some color. |
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jcamins |
Eventually. |
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oleonard |
Maybe just one. |
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rambutan |
Has anybody ever hooked one of the book dispensing kiosks up to Koha (via SIP, I mean)? At one time we were thinking about getting one or more of them. |
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jcamins |
Hey, off-white is a color! |
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rambutan |
http://tinyurl.com/czxc3s6 |
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jcamins |
I have three shades of off-white! |
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rambutan |
This is what got me thinking about it again... |
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rambutan |
http://urbanlibrariansunite.or[…]e-mini-libraries/ |
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rambutan |
jcamins: have you ever seen one of those? |
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jcamins |
rambutanI have not, but I'd heard about them. |
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pastebot |
"tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Like this jcamins?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/471 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: that seems reasonable to me, but run it by rangi. He'd know better how to do error handling with that. |
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jatara |
Quick question: if the permanent shelving location was configured incorrectly when the book was added to Koha, where can I go to change it? The "Edit Items" screen doesn't have that option. |
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cait |
jatara: it has no real item field, i think you can only do it using sql |
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cait |
but I think you only need it when you are using the cart/proc feature |
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jatara |
I have items in my catalog that are showing up as PROC, long after they've been moved to the library and have been checked in/out multiple times. I'm wondering if the permanent location was configured incorrectly. |
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cait |
we aren't using that feature, I am not entirely sure if it works right |
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drojf |
cait: for 10050, do you want me to see if the things show up in the installer&staff client or actually look trhough the sql? |
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cait |
whatever you seefit |
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cait |
for a sign off :) |
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rambutan |
@seen melia_lunch |
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huginn |
rambutan: melia_lunch was last seen in #koha 41 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 34 seconds ago: <melia_lunch> yay! thank you so much |
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rambutan |
@seen melia |
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huginn |
rambutan: melia was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <melia> ok thanks guys! I will check back with rangi later on, after he's had a chance to eat his breakfast and stuff :) |
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drojf |
cait: the sysadmins get geduzt and the librarians gesiezt? :D |
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cait |
huh? |
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drojf |
bitte installiere grundlegende… maybe it has always been like this |
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drojf |
no it is "sie" in the next step again. :D |
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cait |
yeah I think I didn't touch that |
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cait |
fix it in the po file? :) |
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cait |
maybe we should do it like wordpress ;) |
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cait |
they have formal and not so formal german |
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drojf |
we could have several variants of gendered german too ;) |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
now i am going to have translation nightmares |
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drojf |
lol |
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drojf |
hmm i cannot make pootle search… ah there it is, just needs a little complaining :P |
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cait |
heh |
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melia |
rambutan: were you looking for me? |
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rangi |
@later tell tcohen your eval works fine .. but Try::Tiny (is in perl core now) is a bit nicer |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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rangi |
@later tell tcohen http://search.cpan.org/~doy/Tr[…]2/lib/Try/Tiny.pm |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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gmcharlt |
Try::Tiny++ |
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melia |
good morning rangi! there was something I was going to ask you about… |
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melia |
oh yeah, I remember. bug 9902 - is that going to get into a 3.10.x stable release? or do you need a new patch for 3.10? (I haven't tried yet to see if it'll apply to 3.10, btw) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , item subfields not populating |
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rangi |
not in 3.10.5 but maybe after its released, its in freeze at the moment but if it applies it could go in 3.10.6 |
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jcamins |
Apparently it was a banana in the garden of Eden, not an apple or a pomegranate. |
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* jcamins |
heads home. |
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rangi |
hmm does anyone know of a library that has an opac that uses analytics well? |
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bag |
hmmm…. |
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bag |
well I don't know what using analytics well is… |
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bag |
but I think we have a few academics that are using it |
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melia |
thanks rangi |
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aquaman |
/nick aquaman |
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eythian |
jcamins: you around? |
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eythian |
also, hi |
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eythian |
yay, master now builds into packages correctly with no modification once again. |
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jcamins |
rangi: hfjs |
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jcamins |
eythian: yes. |
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jcamins |
Briefly. |
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eythian |
jcamins: awesome, I have an exciting analytics question for you. |
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* jcamins |
gets suitably excited. |
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eythian |
jcamins: I have some articles that have a 773$w set the 001 of their host record. What else do I need to set up on each record to make them see each other. |
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jcamins |
You set the leaders? |
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eythian |
I'm not sure what they should be set to |
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jcamins |
That's the big one. |
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jcamins |
Let me check the position. |
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jcamins |
For the host records, are they books are journals, or... |
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jcamins |
(that was an open-ended question) |
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eythian |
journals, serials, etc primarily I think |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
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jcamins |
So the host records will have LDR/07=s |
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jcamins |
Articles will have LDR/07=a |
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jcamins |
And that should be all you need, actually. |
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eythian |
if I have LDR7 as "a - Monographic component part" it doesn't create the link to the host record. |
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jcamins |
Odd. |
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jcamins |
And you turned on UseControlNumbers? |
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eythian |
If I set LDR7=s on the host, I do get "show analytics" |
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eythian |
"No system preferences matched your search for usecontrolnumbers." |
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jcamins |
UseControlNumber? |
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jcamins |
It's something like that. |
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jcamins |
Search for "Control" |
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eythian |
ah yep |
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eythian |
it was off, now on |
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eythian |
however that seems to make no change |
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eythian |
when I hit the "show analytics" link, I also get "No results match your search for 'rcn:505373.20130415 and (bib-level:a or bib-level:b)'." |
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jcamins |
Hm. |
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eythian |
also, I'm hitting that on the host...why would it be looking for a specific rcn. |
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eythian |
? |
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eythian |
(because the rcn is on the host, right?) |
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jcamins |
Right, but you've put that into the 773. |
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eythian |
(or do we index it such that rcn also matches 773?) |
| 23:10 |
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jcamins |
I think rcn is 773 only, and Control-number is 001 only. |
| 23:10 |
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jcamins |
Though something about that seems... wrong. |
| 23:10 |
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eythian |
OK |
| 23:11 |
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jcamins |
And your indexes are up to date, right? |
| 23:12 |
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eythian |
yep. Hmm. I did just notice that I'm not creating the 773$w value correctly, that won't be helping. Though it shouldn't imact on whether the link shows up I'd think. |
| 23:12 |
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jcamins |
There should be a link showing up regardless. |
| 23:12 |
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jcamins |
Even without the control number. |
| 23:12 |
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jcamins |
It'd just be a search on main entry/title without the control number. |
| 23:13 |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
| 23:13 |
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jcamins |
You have something in 773$a and/or 773$t, right? |
| 23:14 |
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eythian |
I have 773$w, $t, and $g |
| 23:14 |
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jcamins |
And do you see the $t/$g? |
| 23:14 |
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jcamins |
But without any link? |
| 23:14 |
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eythian |
that's right |
| 23:14 |
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wahanui |
no it's not. |
| 23:15 |
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jcamins |
lol |
| 23:15 |
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eythian |
they appear below the article title |
| 23:15 |
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jcamins |
Boy he's quick to disagree. |
| 23:15 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 23:15 |
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eythian |
thusly: |
| 23:15 |
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eythian |
The key principles of social media development |
| 23:15 |
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eythian |
Strategic communication management Volume 14, Issue 1 Dec/Jan 2010, p. 8 |
| 23:15 |
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eythian |
Author(s): Chestney, Ross. |
| 23:15 |
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eythian |
where "Strategic..." is the $t and $g |
| 23:15 |
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eythian |
and not a link |
| 23:16 |
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jcamins |
What happens if you set ind1 to 0? |
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| 23:17 |
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eythian |
are indicator positions 0 based, or 1 based? |
| 23:17 |
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eythian |
(i.e. is ind1 the first or second?) |
| 23:17 |
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jcamins |
1-based. |
| 23:17 |
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jcamins |
First indicator. |
| 23:17 |
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jcamins |
I had never considered before just how dumb that is. |
| 23:18 |
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eythian |
well |
| 23:18 |
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eythian |
now I have: "In: Strategic communication management Volume 14, Issue 1 Dec/Jan 2010, p. 8" |
| 23:19 |
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eythian |
right at the bottom of the main info block |
| 23:19 |
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eythian |
that looks perfect. |
| 23:19 |
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jcamins |
But no link? |
| 23:20 |
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eythian |
there is a link now |
| 23:20 |
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jcamins |
Oh. Yay! |
| 23:20 |
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eythian |
it links to http://koha:8080/cgi-bin/koha/[…]r:505373.20130415 |
| 23:20 |
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eythian |
which looks correct |
| 23:20 |
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jcamins |
It does. |
| 23:20 |
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jcamins |
Well- it looks like what you were trying for. |
| 23:20 |
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eythian |
thank you very much |
| 23:20 |
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eythian |
now I'll put that in the wiki somewhere. |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, I suspect they're going to run into problems. |
| 23:21 |
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eythian |
howso? |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
That looks like a control number with the accession date of the particular issue appended. |
| 23:21 |
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eythian |
no, I'm generating that control number as part of migration |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
| 23:21 |
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jcamins |
In that case, looks perfect. |
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dcook |
Good ol' control numbers... |
| 23:43 |
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eythian |
http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytics <-- jcamins, can you please double-check that for me |
| 23:46 |
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jcamins |
Looks right to me. |
| 23:47 |
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eythian |
cool. That way I won't have to ask you again when this next comes up in a year or so :) |
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eythian |
tcohen: new master package, you didn't even have to ask this time :) |
| 23:55 |
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tcohen |
heh |
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tcohen |
eythian++ |
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dcook |
eythian++ |
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dcook |
Haven't used analytics much yet, but I like the idea |
